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shinarambo1:
The obelisk (opa oranmiyan) confirms that he returned to ife. Ifa (the yoruba religion) backs it up too.

What proof have people got that oranmiyan left descedants in katunga(old oyo) or benin? For all we know, they could also be making claim to blood link just like arab kings to mohammed.

He who wears Oduduwa' s original crown is the greatest of the yoruba kings, and that is the 51st Ooni of ife...Oduduwa being the number 1 Ooni. A thousand Alaafin can't make a claim on Ade Aare (Oduduwa's original crown).
An ife prince from centuries ago till present would never bow to an Alaafin or Olowu or any other king in yoruba land. Fact...

Most yoruba towns founded years after the demise of oranmiyan e.g Iwo, Ikire, owo, ila-orangun, Awori, akure, Ado ekiti, aramoko ekiti, emure, ikole, ikere, Usi, kabba e.t.c just to mention a few were established by princes that left ife to build their own settlements...These towns all the way from kogi to lagos have also been distorting histories for years..according to the alaafin... lol

Benin...not so relevant to the history of yoruba. They are a minority tribe.

This is the main issue with many SW people. All they see is population size of a tribe in a country forced together by the British. A fact that was even used to hound GEJ in government.

You simply forget that until about 250 years ago, there was no uniform Yourba nation. You were seen as Egba, Awori, Ijebu, Owo, Oyo and so on. Only Oyo really reached its Zenith, with a considerable empire before Afonja betrayal. Forget about how the Ibadan & Owo came to repel the Jihadists. They were fighting for their own freedom too.

What you and other revisionists forget is that Benin had to give up its right over large former territories far & near effectively in 1897 (British invasion) and officially in 1914 in order for the British to restore the monarchy.

Benin is important to Yoruba for several reasons including:

(a) It gave Oduduwa to Ife. And Oduduwa is father of several Yoruba monarchs.

(2) It had territories in Eastern Yorubaland. Ondo/Ekiti. The boundary agreed between Aare Ona Kakanfo of Oyo empire & Iyase Epkenede of Benin Empire was at Otun (today in Northern Ekiti). Owo Royal Court culture & royal dressing is still reminiscent of Benin royal tradition. As it can also be observed in Olu of Warri palace in Delta and many other places.

(3) Esipka/Asipa & Prince Ado, both from Benin founded Lagos monarchy. It brought a sophisticated system of government and military culture. Lagos monarchy remained faithful to Benin until 1851 when the British removed Oba Kosoko. Even Oba Akintoye still confirmed his obligations to Oba of Benin to the British in 1853.

It is like saying that because Rome was initially a small farming settlement on the Tiber, it couldn't have influenced European history that much. Or because Italy is an average European power today, it couldn't have influenced world history in antiquity.

I have another example of SW people's obsession with minority having no relevance.

I have a minority tribe (Edo) friend who graduated first class from Nigeria's premier university. He works abroad now. Each time their white European colleagues want to understand the frequent crisis in Africa, they ask the minority guy. Because over the years, their European colleagues who care only about competence and skills, have come to appreciate his excellence in dissecting and analyzing African history & politics.

But behind his back, SW colleagues keep telling (showing backbiting prowess again) the Europeans that he's just from an ordinary minority tribe and therefore knows nothing. Perplexed Europeans were asking the minority guy why his countrymen are so weird to link ability to tribe.

Obviously they are jealous of him. Real life thing even here in Europe.

Love Machine:
If it was in Europe his killers will be identified within days.But here,his killers who are in the seat of government will bribe the police to sweep the matter under the carpet.

True.

If they check carefully, he would have received threats in the past.

But 9ja way is inconclusive. Nothing will happen.

tosyne2much:
If I may ask, what do you think Otobo wants to achieve with this scandal?

I have no idea.

But the first thing is did it happen?

Even a marriage blessed with several kids can degenerate into a veritable mess when things go sour.

If indeed it happened, she could have a number of motives.

It is not new for people to kiss & tell. Worldwide.

uvalued:
funny you.. you and your ilks are the brainwashed falling over a known OLOSHO video world conference breast presentation interview as your conclusion to declare suleiman guilty... so much for enlightened mumuism...apply your bolded logic ... are you people finding the truth via CONCRETE PROVES LAID BARE BEFORE THE COURT AND PROPER INVESTIGATION or on hearsay by a confirmed olosho? #GIVESENSETOSHEEPLES

This is the problem with religious zealots. You guys cannot be objective.

Where did I say Suleman did it?

I mentioned that you guys are not interested in the truth.

Truth can be found out.

If I was Suleman, knowing my reputation matters, I can do the following:

(1) Sue Otobo for providing fake photos & dialogue as mine. A criminal act.

(2) Sue her for libel to clear my name.

Both will result in the materials being properly investigated.

Just quoting God for exoneration is not enough, considering the corruption & immorality involving all sectors of society today.

Zealots want us to believe what they say because they mention God. Not enough.

Ashleydolls:
You people will not get your facts straight before jumping at conclusion. The man of God is also human like us. The allegations against him should be properly investigated and he should not be exonerated on the ground of being a man of God

You seem to have forgotten how powerful brainwash can be.

If this kind of OP catches Sule on top his own wife, he will even believe God instructed the pastor to do it.

Religion is supposed to enlighten people. But in 9ja, it has set us back by centuries.

They care not about finding out the truth.

We are now in the European middle ages when MOGs had a final say on most things.

Forget social media, flashy cars & Iphone 7. Mentally, we are centuries behind.

abescom:
I am a man and no I never cheated on my wife and won't but you need to have gone through it to appreciate what that woman is feeling now.

And I see nothing vengeful in what she has done. She is at least not blackmailing the other woman or using black magic on her but PRAYING to GOD which is allowed. I am fully on her side here.

How did you know that?

So you think those who go to church/mosque or even pastors do not patronise Babalawo/Iyalawo or Dibia/Ezemo?

Would she say so publicly?

Which Christian prays for God to punish others, perhaps even the aunt of her own children?

People religious these days but do not understand the message of religion.

peterpen:
You ain't that bright after all
you said and i quote
"Bini throne is overrated. The installation procession of a throne tells a lot about the historical relevance it holds. A quick look at the installation procession of the Bini throne and the reverence accorded to it by the Bini shows it is an exagerrated seat. Outside of Bini does not commands respect or influence & it has no lasting imprint anywhere outside Bini & except for few towns around it."

So i ask you 'What in the procession to the throne shows exaggeration'?
'which are two most prominent monarchs today'?
'Are the places ''Ondo - Akoko areas. Ibo land - Onitsha area. Lagos - Obalende & Island" and up to Benin republic few towns around Benin?

Guess u don't even know the Benin conquered up to Benin republic, and you must also be very delusional to think a Benin person wrote that shit on wikipedia that is subject to change any day anytime....that shit has been corrected alot of times buh it keeps changing cos u yorubas dnt just seem to be able to come to terms with the fact that we re indeed greater than you..

You must be very naive to think a stupid article backed by some dirty minds from the west in collaboration with a white who doesn't even know his roots yet will come down here and give you accurate result about your roots and you believe him cos he has a white skin, What were his methods of research?, where did he visit, whi did he ask?what gave him those notions? and what proofs does he have of those lies spilled by some yorubas who think themselves so educated to always twist history just to suite themselves cos they cant come to fact that we are greater than them


Your ooni oranmiyan story is so faulted even a primary school pupil will sense the naivity of the writer....

Come back and present viable facts and proofs When you are ready to be objective and read quality materials not those penned by your tribesman........ Before i go i recommend you go check out the meaning of an empire...

NB: Check up an English dictionary not a yoruba dictionary

Look, there is now a dedicated crop of SW pseudo intellectuals doing their utmost to denigrate Benin history.

They have seen that even without Oba Benin travelling up & down to North & South America, Europe and whatnot, Benin history keeps coming up on Western TV. Like BBC frequently showing Benin in documentaries. Without any lobby.

Their kids in diaspora report that alongside ancient Egypt, they were taught History of Benin Empire in school. As part of African history. They are worried about the prominence of our history.

So they have began a long term strategy of revisionism. We cannot ignore them anymore because they are trying very hard.

Look at what another SW person wrote:

Maydfourth:
Please let us not distort history...Ooni is not a king...Please go and get ur facts together...Ooni was a chief priest to Oduduwa and was in charge of all the deities in Ife land...He was never a child of Oduduwa and not entitled to rule ..He was assigned to keep the home when Oduduwa died and none of his children were around since they have gone to sojourn and capture other territories for themselves...Please don't say that OONI is a king in the presence of a a true OYO PRINCE...Ask anybody what is the meaning of Arole Odua...

Even among SW people, there's controversy over Ooni matter. But some are still honest enough to say it as they know it. Whether Mayfourth is right or wrong, I do not know. But I have heard his version from others many times before. However, most are closing ranks to gradually kill this version. Desperate to close the "Grand Canyon" chasm in their ever-changing stories/versions.

They have been arguing that Oduduwa was not a Benin Prince. But we know the truth. We also know that his son Oranmiyan came to Benin. And later to other places. When did he return to Ife to become Ooni? Even if he returned, it doesn't mean that he became King. Was Ooni stool just there waiting for him considering that usurpation was common then?

Could the chief Priest actually have deputized and later took the throne? If he did, with time, his descendants would have tried to legitimise it by claiming blood ties with Oduduwa. Most Arab Kings today claim blood links to Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).

In Benin, even Evian's (chosen city leader in the absence of an Ogiso/heir) son Ogiamien tried usurping the throne in Benin but failed, because Benin people fiercely resisted & Oranmiyan came.

Benin people's resistance was understandable because Ogiso dynasty had over 33 Kings previously. Around 1,000 years of existence from about 40 BC. It was well-established already. Whereas Oduduwa dynasty was only very recent and therefore even much more prone to usurpation.

They have many stories from their Benin History Denial Centre (BHDC) but very watery as usual.

When some of them cannot come up with a credible narrative, they begin to swear & use gutter language like agbero.

wolfofallstreet:
Where does the Deji of Akure belong to ?

Not to mention Olowo of Owo.

In colonial times, Shehu of Borno was rated next to Sultan of Sokoto.

Then Op forgot Emir of Bida (Etsu Nupe) & Emir of Zazzau/Zaria.

Though some kings were only recently elevated to first class. Politics.

It is like Federal universities, there are first, second, third generation and so on.

[quote author=AuroraB post=54661263]My exact thoughts. And if it were his juju failing him, couldn't someone have pulled him out of that poodle .

Shock of being caught can "paralyse" some people sef.

A heavy blow to his spine may well be responsible.

dacblogger:
Marriage is a huge scam...pple just do it for the sake of the society and reproducing.

True.

But there are few genuine ones though.

Most do it because religion and society demand it.

For others it is a meal ticket and supposedly offers security.

Facts is things change. A healthy person can be ill tomorrow. A rich person today can be poor tomorrow.

How many are really ready to keep the "in sickness & in health, for richer for poorer & for better for worse" bit of it?

Some think they are too good to settle for less. Without being realistic about what they themselves bring to the table.

True.

But because we are super-hypocrites in 9ja, truth is not welcome.

Adminisher:
We are harnessing clean solar energy. Read your news before posting. There is a massive one under construction and financing schemes for small ones .

Under construction. Right? Since when? What is the projected Mw of the "massive one?".

Obviously not reliable enough to still need environmentally dangerous dams.

I know praise singing people can never see the damage being done. To the landscape their kids will inherit one day.

Her bitterness and public outburst shows she could not have been that innocent lady.

Did her inlaws make her husband cheat?

I guess she never endeared herself to her inlaws one bit.

It is not easy but it is one of those tricky things every serious wife has to somehow master.

Some marriages are just not meant to work. In her case there were too many issues.

So with all the sun in the North, we still cannot harness clean solar energy?

Still digging up the landscape and disturbing rivers and other water bodies?

Ayoolajumoke:
Lol, you are truly AreaFada2... Lemme run away

Hahahaha. Lol.
i do not bite though.

Ayoolajumoke:
But seriously, of what benefit is the lie to him? Even if he wasn't busted then, he can't forever claim the house.

Many benefits like sampling that babe in a sumptuous ambience.

And a chance to live a life of fantasy.

When you have little going for you like that dude, every little flexing is a big deal.

He was not going to be working there for life anyway, so why not flex now?

saintmark88:
They are naturally more honest and loyal than southerners

Like Abacha and IBB, Atiku and co? So sending MKO Abiola to jail and letting him die there was honesty and loyalty
Hahahaha.

After around 40 years of their " honest and loyal" rule they could not take Nigeria anywhere. Yet they wanted Jonathan to do magic under 6 years while unleashing Boko Haram.

Disgraceful that without you even knowing it you are using this fallacy to justify incarceration of innocent Southerners. Like Pa Ajasin, Alex Ekwueme, confiscation of Pa Awo's passport by Buhari in 1983. While core Northerners were left alone.

Northerners also claim "leadership ability".

Very funny. Leading incessant coups and using decrees to rule is not leadership. Also using skewed population figures and national character to get juicy positions is not leadership. Rather look at the results of the leadership. Like a messed up & divided nation, massive illiteracy, VVF, child marriage & poverty in the same North. And a poor country generally despite huge resources.

Ayoolajumoke:
Lol, nawa o, the guy must have deceived so many girls with that house.

Good for him sha.

Now you get the gist. You as people like fine things. He might have claimed to owner is his aunty or uncle. Drivers and house boys do same.

Sheggy13:
Exactly. That response of his shows his I don't care to attention to details. This meeting has been scheduled a long time ago and even a kid knows a fundamental question like this would pop. What would it have cost him to cross-check the record books before attending this screening.. Incompetence everywhere, just blowing hot air with no meaningful conviction made so far.

Do not be fooled. Buhari's govt had already decided not to disclose the loot amounts. Magu was never going to go against that.

They only publish figures when targeting key "enemies". Those from GEJ govt. And I doubt if those figures are even correct. They may well be more or less. But they know those figures are excellent for media trial and will cause outrage.

His post-senate screening comments simply show the born-to-rule arrogance common with Northern elite.

KayTash:
Savage

Savage

Tiwa?

madridguy:
Majority of Nigerians prefer rice and #200 than infrastructure

Fact is we have no social welfare system.

Even if our economy grew at 12.5 to 15% annually, many in the queue will never get any tangible benefit from it.

And most have never got any direct benefit from any govt.

Although this might seem populist, it directly benefits the common man.

brunofarad:
Good write up


Stuffs can be baked in the oven as against frying.


It is much healthier

Lots of food like potato chips need not be fried.

Just put it in the oven.


In addition, most food need no oil, especially red palm oil. Tomato paste/puree will give it almost same red colour.

Sigh.

Is this what Africans should be worrying about? Luxury goods that puts lots of money in the pockets of already rich countries?

It is this unnecessary long throat that has caused so much corruption.

OP are you a learner?

Is it today you know that people are banging each other left, right & centre, married or not?

Funny that you had to be hanging out in a guest house "pucee-sniffing" to know.

Abeg volunteer your nose to the police to replace sniffer dog. Or to EFFC to smell looted money. That will stop your tatafo.

Regarding women & infidelity, we do not believe in juju anymore. That used to scare women. Now anything goes.

Polygamy has been part of African culture. Yes we can enumerate many demerits of it. But was polyandry ever in our culture? No. Many subsequent wives begin as gfs or bang-mates.

I guess if suddenly Europeans/Americans allow polygamy, we Africans will simply follow them. Follow follow is our way.

Like we are gradually, albeit reluctantly, following gayism now. Law or no law.

The thing Baba@dTop take do pr*ck & ntoto matter dey surprise person.

Ah ! Ah!

SirWere:
Two Abrahamic religion fighting each other over the correctness of their dogma........

This world is truly strange.

And we Africans are fighting & killing ourselves over it.

Something we do not even properly understand.

I fear anybody who does not fear human beings.

RIP.

Congrats.

zik4ever:
I am compelled to comment on this! However great this guy is fighting corruption (and there are those who feel otherwise) we are still in a democracy! The person who nominated him, emerged through a democratic process and is under oath to defend the constitution. Irrespective of whatever politics involved or any suspicions we may have, the Senate relied on a report from an institution that reports to the President, to refuse his confirmation. It is for the President to request explanation from the DGSSS and I don't see why that should be complicated or take time. This guy CANNOT confirm himself and sorry, there must be one other Nigerian amongst the millions of us that can fight this menace of corruption. I am not holding brief for the Senate but I think political nominees or appointees should realize their limits and be more guarded. Same scenario is playing out with the Customs. We are not in a Banana republic! It's like someone who loses election saying, I am convinced that I am the best and so I must continue in office? We can't descend to that level. Impunity is not just corruption. If a court of competent jurisdiction discharges and acquits a certified and known thief, the only option available is to appeal to a higher court. We cannot say, well we know you are a thief so we defy the law and say rot in Prison or get killed if you are a thief. It is painful but some things cannot be selectively discretional if not we will get back to a Hobbesian state of nature.

Ol' boy, they will not understand your grammar o. This is a country of political emotion, impunity and disregard for rule of law as long as it suits you.

However corrupt or incompetent NASS might be, were they not elected to ensure things are done according to law?

Is the DSS report genuine? Is the concern therein weighty enough to disqualify him? Did Buhari investigate this matter enough before re-nominating him, etc ? Questions that should matter are not being asked by most.

Nice.

But certainly not the oldest in Edo.

and I cannot see air force jets going to carpet bomb the so called illegal miners.

If ND now, they will be blood thirsty.

I wonder if those Northerners will accept 13% of the proceeds from FG.

Obiwannn:
I thought this regime was never corrupt.

I wonder.

Another chance to sack innocent Southerners and those perceived to support PDP.

Nigeria is built on a faulty foundation.
All these mess are just symptoms. Severe ones at that.