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snthesis: do u knw how ridiculous u sound, let me break it down for u
u wud only believe if u see it with ur eyes right
but guess what even if u see it with your eyes, and u say it, logicboy wouldnt believe cos he hasnt seen it with his own eyes and so the cycle continues until every atheist sees the events with their own eyes

Then why dont they do a demonstration for all of us. Get 10 renowned Atheists and then film it live and post on youtube. Let them get down to their special egg throwing etc.

Syncan: " I do not believe..." What difference does this phrase make? Who gives a hoot what you believe or not? What makes you so superior that what you believe or don't believe should count? You better come down from that high horse and learn to respect another's believe. Learn to air contrary view with respect,except you still live in the illusion of cerebral monopoly.

So I cant air my beliefs too. So I must accept their beliefs and throw away mine. I was talking according to my beliefs. I you want to debate my belief we can discuss reasons for or against chosen martyrdom however I still have a right to air my opinion and you have a right to challenge it.

It is not a high horse, it is reality. Needless lives wasted, and to prove what? Why dont you head north to Maiduguri and get martyred there if you are so certain it is not pointless.

Sal C: Pls I want to knowwhere did the bible approve of the white gown as a symbol of purity in the bible?. What is the difference between wedding and church blessing if both of them take place in the church?. Where did the origin of wearing white during wedding come from. If the bride's white symbolizes purity what about the husband's black and other colour. Thanks.

Precisely. If the white is purity and they need to do pregnancy for women why dont the men get scrutinised too. I think it doesnt matter. More time should be spent making sure couples are suited to each other.

ninja4life: tanks for all d reply but as a matter of fact i do not believe all those type of news cos dey seems almost impossible to me,but assuming all those religious propanganda are true will dat mean dat there are different gods unique 4 different religion if so then there will be no unique god which creatd heaven and earth like theist claim there will be gods with powers,is dat true or not is my question

only 1 god is genuine and the others are fake.... according to each religion

Soloblincus: Two mins b4 d start, i remembered matt 7:7, and i prayed, as soon as i said amen, power was restored. That was one of the tins dat made me strong in faith in d begining, but honestly i never got such a fast 'answer' again.

This is where Christianity scares me.

hisblud: I laf at your disbelief :Atheist all you, can fool yourself wit logical analysis trash. Much of what is happening here is real. This eggon guys, ombatse- aint trouble makers but make no mistake, in provoking them. Seat in your comfort zone and claim all the science you want, this is real. Claiming police ran away might be logical, but how come 95 policemen died, the government is giving you some rational number! Remain deluded for all i care. In the hospital where their remains lie, you would see matchet cuts and no bullet holes my guys, you call that magic to entertain who? The police or who?

Like the OPC right. I have heard stories about how they use "magic" eggs to fight battles. I await the next battle they fight and will get a front row seat. I just pray they dont get slaughtered

3cassava sticks: Don't be silly, destroying your own property is not genocide

Lol. I get it

3cassava sticks: Why?


god created them too and he can treat them as he wishes


What is you business how god chooses to destroy his property? What makes you entitled to the role of adviser on best destruction practices?

Ok. I get the message. God can do as He wishes. We have no right to judge Him. He can slaughter wholesale and kill and commit genocide without a second thought and we have no right to question Him. However, when He is referred to as just, meek, merciful, loving and we are to take inspiration from God and be guided by Him too then these violent and genocidal traits must be brought to the open.

I have every right to challenge the conception of the nature of this god because I share a planet with His believers and will be affected by their decisions. Decisions made out of their respect and love for such a deity.

Syncan: Please stop speaking from two sides of the mouth...on one hand; self sacrifice is "selfish and silly", on another hand, it is "considered for greater good" determined by your "immense" wisdom. Do make up your mind please, you may flip a coin to help you choose.

Self sacrifice is silly when it is in regards to religion. It is wasteful too.

There will always be reasons where self sacrifice is appreciated. I do not believe avoiding religious conversion is one of them.

Good luck to all of you. But you better keep one eye on your wallet and another on your mind. Wish you all the best.

3cassava sticks: So god gives life to a person, god sustains life in the person all by his own independent decision. Suddenly when god wants to stop sustaining the life, he can't why?

I am still waiting for your logic but all I hear are your emotional sentiments.

There is a responsibility and a duty to the life brought into existence. It must not be terminated without due cause.

What about the damage done to others as a response to Davids iniquity and murder? Why must so many people be directly and indirectly punished for this? Is that just?

If you believe so. That because God is a creator then He can destroy His creation at a whim then there is a second question... is it the best way to punish David? God has the means to do and undo.... some even claim He lives outside of time . Why must anyone suffer for acts He can reverse?

2cassava sticks: To deny someone the right to destroy his own creation is unjust don't you think?

Not necessarily. If the destruction will cause harm to the creation and the people around it then no. There are rights attached to things like that. We are not just a computer program that can be removed. If we are then God could resolve the problem without killing anybody. There are other ways to punish him without harming others. It wasnt just his son also, a lot of others suffered too. The ark of covenant couldnt be brought into the city and there was famine and disease.

tobechi20: ure lucky ur story has a positive ending. but next time, dont use ur daaughters life to conduct ur doubt faith experiment. use ur own eye.





doctors are there, consult them

Some tried that with AIDS and they are no longer with us.

Pastor Olu T: Good analysis, but how do you explain my experiences?

What experiences are you referring to?

It is indeed political as I suspected. They probably had some decent firepower.

https://www.nairaland.com/1285688/police-killing-nasarawa-gov-al-makura

Syncan: Take up arms and fight for what they believe? Why do you still think in this manner? Despite the efforts of Martin Luther king jr and Ghandi, you still believe in violence to defend your beliefs?. It's a shame indeed.

You either protect your lands and beliefs (not necessarily violently attack others) or you succumb. To willingly sacrifice yourself is selfish and somewhat silly.

There are some greater goods that self sacrifice is considered. religion is not one of them.

tobechi74: matyrs die for something .aaatheist live for nothing

We can die for a lot of things. Just not religious martyrdom.

2cassava sticks: what an i[color=#000000]di[/color]ot

Are you ready to be a martyr? Northern Nigeria is not too far away. You can test out your philosophy there.

obadiah777: YOU ARE RIGHT. THERE IS NO NOAHS ARK. ALSO AN ALLEGORY. HOWEVER LET ME NOT GET TOO DEEP. GOTTA START FOLKS OFF ON MILK BEFORE MEAT

Hmmmm..... not exactly a canonical belief.

Syncan: They died for what they believed and to emphasize that freedom of worship is a human right. That's heroism in secular parlance, Matyrdom in the religion they profess, if you call that nothing, then you're simply existing...a life in bondage.

Ok. Why didnt they take arsms and fend off their attackers and die in that act. Or accept subjugation and worship quietly until they can cause an insurrection. This silly martyrdom because of a belief in gold, milk and honey in the after life is a cause of many a mans woe.

Kay 17: The traditionalist spokesman could have been lying, he isn't compelled nor credible to tell the Truth. The police reported gunshot wounds on the killed policemen, except we believe machete can inflict gunshot wounds; the police report contradicts the spokesman's story.

Besides the whole story is shaky, machete armed men aren't superior in combat against firearmed police.

Exactly. Why dont boko haram use machetes to try and enforce terror?

Some Nigerians and their stupidity. So they actually believe charms were used...

Yooguyz: what is the yardstick you use to determine greatness? I believe isreal is just a shadow of the real born again belivers

Compare it to the mighty empires of the time. That is a good yard stick.

Yooguyz: whatever happened in the OT was blue prints for children of the new covenant to learn from

Now we know where the crusaders got their inspiration from

mazaje: Most of what you read in the bible are NON historical. . .Even the Jews grew out of the canaanites, they are just a break away tribe based mostly on religion. . .There is NO archeological record what so ever to support the exodus narrative. the jews were never enslaved in Egypt. . .Its a myth. . .The conquest you read about in the book of Joshua is all a myth it never happened, NO archeological eveidence to support anything written in the bible. . .Even leading Jewish archeologist and historians have stated that the exodus is non historical. Archeologist have combed the entire Sinai penisula and have found nothing to support the biblical narrative. . .Nothing in the egyptian records mention the exodus or that the jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. .. . .

The simple truth

mekaboy: Who said it is impossible to launch air strike in Nigeria. Its just a matter of hiring a commercial jet, load grenades in a bag and be throwing it from the sky. When they finish the blow up themselves and the jet.

Unfortunately there are too many dubious ways to harm people in the country.

Yooguyz: Research proves that the sea of Galilee is very suspectible to voilent storms, the scenario in mattew 14:24. Agrees perfectly with the present day Galilee and archeological facts. That alone proves that Jesus walked in literal waters.
Btw what occult group do you belong to?
Kkk...i get it you don't want people to know, PM me instead. Peace!

Why use archaeology? It also shows that there was no Noahs ark, the world could not be cretaed in a day, neither is it 400,000 years old amongst so many other things. Would you agree with any of those?

What a pointless waste. They died for nothing

Reyginus: Which premature trust?

Why do we have to believe to see the signs, evidence etc? Why cant we be shown these signs to convince us to believe?

Bear in mind, in the past few needed faith to believe in things. They assumed their environments were created by God or gods.... hence the evidence to convince them. Now we now we know the natural process for the creation of the universe, earth, man etc we need REAL evidence to believe in the existence of God/gods or any other deity.

Has anyone done one on famous people who praised God and ended up in a wrong way.

We can start with Christ

Niflheim: @Heatblast,.........................................I will help him to answer the question.It was called "The Dark Ages" aka "The Age of Ignorance and Foolishness"!!!

And the medieval era
The are 2 periods associated with a flourish in discovery, economies, trade and finance, art, learning etc.

The industrial age,
The renaissance

Both fuelled by technological, open mindedness and free thinking.

snthesis: interesting, most Atheist ask for proof, now the proof has being given ,yet u still doubt the existence of d supernatural

What proof? Some chicken sh.it cops were scared off and killed? How is that proof of anything other than the poor state of our police.

Also, is there any evidence to suggest that the group were not armed with firearms too?

thehomer: He is on the winning side.

As always

So what is a true Christian meant to do.... keep the Jewish law or continue with the current Christian laws and way of worship? Also, what if certain Christian denominations start to do things differently from the rest? Will it be tolerated or will they be condemned?

People want to condemn the Anglicans and Episcopalians for pursuing the gay bishop issue but couldnt one argue that even worshipping on a day differwent to the Jewish sabbath was heretical and punishable by death?

MostHigh: I wonder why the bolded is not within the consciousness of most Christians today?

Or why they fail to appreciate what that event truly means.

Exactly. Jews and Christians had constantly had beef with each other. Apparently Nero executed Christians on the behest of Jews. Would it not be likely that Christians would want to be distinct once the persecutions started to die out. They only started to have proper rights during Constantines reign. Prior to that they were still persecuted.

Has anyone asked why they were so persecuted? Well, according to Jews, certain Christian rites etc were heretical and punishable by death. It was easy to target the non distinct Christians as they were similar to Jews and hence the Jews could claim that they were heretics as opposed to a new religion.

By being made distinct as a separate religion they at least had some protection under Constantines reign.

obadiah777: YEAH WAITING ON THE PHARISEES. BOOKMARK AND DESIKA. LOL HOW DO WE KNOW YOU EXIST ? HOW DO WE KNOW YOU ARE MORE THAN TEXT ON CYBERSPACE ? IN FACT HOW DO WE KNOW YOU HAVE GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS THAT DATE BACK TO 6000 BC AND YOU DIDNT JUST DROP OUT OF THE SKY IN RECENT TIMES AND STARTED YOUR FAMILY LINE ?

Silly questions. I have ancestors because I am here. I exist because I communicate with people around me and have a presence. I can even go on youtube and post a video of me for all to see. If I said I flew to mars, would people not ask the same question I am asking now... think of it.

shdemidemi: Everything that happened in the old were mysteries according to the scriptures that are revealed now.

26 This message is the secret truth that was hidden since the beginning of time. It was hidden from everyone for ages, but now it has been made known to God’s holy people.

i don't take anything that happened in the old testament literally or naturally but spiritually because the bible says

2 Corinthians 5:16-18

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

16 From this time on we don’t think of anyone as the world thinks of people. It is true that in the past we thought of Christ as the world thinks. But we don’t think that way now. 17 When anyone is in Christ, it is a whole new world.[a] The old things are gone; suddenly, everything is new!

Ok....
Hmmm....

Food for thought

However, the passover was celebrated in the old testament. Not to nag but the new testament never actually stated that it should not be celebrated.

I think you need to look closer to the ecumenical council of Nicaea to get a more direct answer. A lot of aspects to modern Christianity were brought in around that time... and the purpose was to make Christians distinct from the Jews.