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 Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by BabaGnoni: 4:35pm On Oct 05, 2014*. Modified: 10:19pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
mbaemeka:mbaemeka I understand and know your incomprehension is legendary but after correction not to get IDs mixed up, your hard of hearing is getting worrisome. But he gives all the more grace. And so he says, "God opposes the arrogant but gives grace to the humble." - James 4:6 ISV Watch it mbaemeka, as "Pride brings a person low, but the lowly in spirit gain honor." You're not just rotten, you also are a conceited, bold chav and one who extremely delights in distorting (e.g. medical science has replaced the name of Jesus to the church) Come to think of it, trustman is right about your idiosyncrasies and vooks is spot on about your persona, as hooligan completely or accurately describes you - you malign, maim, hurt, hurl abuses etcetera with relish or great enjoyment. If you have decency and the fear of God in you, albeit doubtful you do, it would be honorable of you, to provide the link and/or quote verbatim where "medical science has replaced the name of Jesus to the church" was stated and/or show/attribute who did, as opposed to butchering, hacking and tearing apart, taking out of context, the background of how statement(s) came to be O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. - Matthew 12:34 KJV Not surprised at you, as how can anything good come out/from you The mouth speaks about what overflows from the heart, so now you want to learn but hiding behind the guise that "... just asks politely I might teach him..." - this is a veiled and/or indirect request. SMH Dont fret over the details in your post mbaemeka, mark my words, the scales will fall from the eyes sooner or later, and then sudden ability to understand the truth. Look up "heteropaternal superfecundation", it might set you off to where the penny gets dropped Boo! Sorry, that was me, don't get startled or frightened of your own shadow  2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Embassy New Twist: Pastor Chris Removed As Trustee Of Church’s U.k Branch by BabaGnoni: 3:53pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
https://s15.postimg.org/618s5foiz/Wed_Anniversary.jpg No doubt twas a head over heels ... and likely still is, but hey... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by BabaGnoni: 5:37pm On Oct 02, 2014*. Modified: 7:50pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
mbaemeka: The difference between me and you is that I would easily take you on what I believe and when I provide incontrovertible evidences from scripture you would scamper like a scared dog with your tail behind your legs or better still create a new moniker to save face from the disgrace that the previous one suffered.vooks, you better set the record straight for this peacockish wrapped up in oneself, in love with oneself, self-admiring, think too highly of oneself narcissistic delusional aberration self absorbed person who is mistaking persons or IDs for each other. Seun has access of the IPs used by all and can confirm whether vooks is masquerading as some else or not mbaemeka your paranoia, persecution complex, vainess and lust for money/wealth are legendary Some have beneficial, rewarding, purposeful, profitable, gainful, fruitful, productive, constructive, effective, important, substantial, meaningful, and worthy things to do than frolicking or wallowing in the gutter and/or rolling about in deep mud or murky water with you. Shdemidemi, God bless him, has the grace, the stamina, the patience to tolerate you and/or indulge your smugness. You are showing yourself up when you don't keep your ridiculous or wrong idea about who vooks is and your sick minded thought to yourself or in your head. mbaemeka don't you ever, in your life again, mistake vooks for BabaGnoni. Get your head out of the clouds! "soki lọ́be oge" meaning "a word is enough to the wise" 4 Likes |
| Politics › Re: Pls Let's Share This Till It Gets To Fashola And The Lagos Police Commisioner by BabaGnoni: 3:31pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
[size=20pt]The Gruesome Murder Of Mr. Odion Aimeyekagbon By A Royalty[/size] https://s14.postimg.org/iou6x7csh/Gate.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/h78qln81t/IDcard.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/9by76tyf5/Photo.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/mu53j4akh/Photo2.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/e1o4vfpfl/Post.jpg Someone transferred osasaim's original post from "Family" and buried it in "Violent/Disgusting Non-Celebrity Crimes" https://www.nairaland.com/1926951/gruesome-murder-mr-odion-aimeyekagbon#26746032 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 6:08pm On Oct 01, 2014*. Modified: 6:40pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
[size=20pt] Sunday Morning Stickup, What Your Pastor Doesn't Want You To Know About Tithes[/size] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_E4uvFKPHk In the video conversation above, this book was not received well by Bishop Jakes and the leadership in the church. Based on the cover alone, David Lee was escorted and physically removed from the church at the Bishop’s request. He claims that his book was considered so dangerous and so revealing, that it was seen to be a threat to those who are getting wealthy by running their churches. David Lee says that the experience was humiliating for him, since he was taken out of the church in front of his two small children. He also says that he was stripped of his ministerial license at the church as well during a private meeting. He says that his kids were traumatized by what they saw happen to their father. David Lee says that police told him that he could never come back to the church without the threat of being arrested. He asked the officers why he was being banned from the church and claims that the officer told him that he’d been lied to, and that the police were allegedly used by church leadership to get rid of him. The discussion is interesting. You can hear the rest off the video itself: Sunday Morning Stickup is how T.D. Jakes uses Prosperity Gospel to Rob Church Members and why David Lee was kicked out as one of Bishop T.D. Jakes' Elders for telling the truth Served as a licensed Ordained Elder under the pastorate of Bishop T.D. Jakes for nearly 30 years and working under the umbrella of T.D. Jakes Ministries for nearly a decade, he led the Sunday school department as the Superintendent until the ministry relocated to its current location in Dallas Texas. The first ministry class that led to the licensing of the first set of ministers ordained at the Potter’s House of Dallas Inc. was taught by David Lee. Employed by T.D. Jakes Ministries Sales and Marketing Department, David Lee led more than 500 people who worked with the sale and distribution of products globally. There he demonstrated his business acumen as the National Sales Manager where he managed the sale and marketing of a multi-million dollar inventory at more than 9 major record-breaking conferences including Woman Thou Art Loosed, Man Power and the Pastors and Leaders Conferences as well as all of Bishop Jakes smaller personal engagements. Many know Bishop T.D. Jakes as the internationally acclaimed preacher, author, teacher, and pastor of the megachurch The Potter’s House. While Jakes’ has many adoring followers, not everyone is a supporter. David Lee is one of those people. Lee attended the Potter’s House and worked with Jakes for 20 years participating in many non-profit organizations and traveling the world evangelizing. However, all of that changed when Lee published a book that pleas with readers to quit supporting the prosperity gospel doctrine preached by Jakes. Lee says he wrote the book “out of obedience to a mandate from God on my life.” In it, he makes the assertion that tithing is no longer scriptural or ethical. He discusses how tithing in the Bible was about Israel’s economy, and that under Mosaic law, tithing was about helping the needy, not about giving money. He also points out that God wants His followers to be living sacrifices, not to give Him large sums of money. Lee states in the book, “we are not in need of a revival in our churches; we are in desperate need of a funeral. The call goes out to bury many of the practices which have a purely business focus in our churches today.” It has been revealed that Jakes charged ministers and elders of his church more than $1,000 to attend a two day conference he conducted. He also is known to charge amounts ranging from $55,000 to $100,000 to preach at inviting churches. While some may be okay with this, one has to wonder if it is the Christian thing to do to charge such large sums simply to share the message of Jesus. The video is a book trailer for Lee’s book, Sunday Morning Stickup: What Your Pastor Doesn’t Want You To Know About Tithes. Watch it to find out what happened the day Lee and his family were escorted out of Bishop Jakes’ church in response to the book being published and for a preview of his revealing tell all book about the prosperity gospel Jakes’ preaches and why the doctrine helps Jakes essentially rob church members. http://www.sundaymorningstickup.com/author.html h t t p ://youtu.be/larithrRFOs (i.e. a 2 hour exclusive interview with David Lee, on The Revolution Radio Show) http://blacklikemoi.com/2014/06/sunday-morning-stickup-book-trailer-exiled-church/ The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. - John 10:10 KJV Who is the thief? It is the hireling in John 10:12-13 - hireling (i.e. noun derogatory) a person who works purely for material reward. 5 Likes |
| Crime › Re: The Gruesome Murder Of Mr. Odion Aimeyekagbon By A Royalty by BabaGnoni: 6:10pm On Sep 30, 2014*. Modified: 6:14pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
@ osasaim Hi, sorry to read about this senseless loss, please repeat this post in the Politics forum or section for more visibility - this culture of impunity must come to an end |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by BabaGnoni: 8:16pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
Candour: Hmmm....since this is the era of receiving mails, I dare say I too have received 'countless' mails...............https://s18.postimg.org/tzv0g4ldl/sir.jpg #1 is "Members Of Church Of Satan Meets Here" #2 is "See Full 2013/2014 List Of All The Popular Members Of Illuminati(church of Satan" #10 is "The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School" 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by BabaGnoni: 10:46am On Sep 28, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Jesus offered a badly beaten body to God yet the lamb in the OT wasn't supposed to have even a scar. shdemidemi: What an incorrigible student of the bible you are!GBAM, SMH 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 8:49pm On Sep 27, 2014 |
[size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F15: Fee paying crusades or seminars[/size] But you have this in your favor-you hate what the Nicolaitans are doing. I also hate what they're doing. - Revelation 2:6 GOD'S WORD® Translation Did Jesus had "ticket price(s)" in mind when He officially or publicly announced the Kingdom of Heaven or when He preached and taught the Gospel? Did He charge people to hear Him, to watch Him, to meet with Him, to hear the Good News? No, and Jesus would have used hate (i.e. the same strong word He used when reacting to the Nicolaitans' deeds or practices) to express a strong dislike for the practices that WoF influenced preachers unashamedly have embraced and adopted The practices can range from charging people to pay a gate fee for tickets to enter church buildings, grounds or civic venues to hear the gospel preached, gospel taught and/or to worship God to charging gate fees to attend conventions, revivals, crusades, meetings, singles seminars etc or pay-per-view charges to watch church conferences on the internet etc It also includes imposing entrance fees on worshippers who want to attend New Year’s Eve service/crossover services How fortunate we are that Jesus Christ never charged any of his followers and/or listeners money to hear Him speak How fortunate we are that He never had "reserved seats” for bank CEOs, president(s) etc How fortunate we are that He never had "reserved seats” for select few who were rich and could easily pay for good seats to hear Him teach or preach. How fortunate we are that, the Holy Spirit doesn't charge any, for the spiritual gifts He gives us In their greed they will use good-sounding arguments to exploit you. The verdict against them from long ago is still in force, and their destruction is not asleep - 2 Peter 2:3 GOD'S WORD® Translation People like these are not serving Christ our Lord. They are serving their own desires. By their smooth talk and flattering words they deceive unsuspecting people - Romans 16:18 GOD'S WORD® Translation Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay - Matthew 10:8 ESV Then he said, "Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own." - Luke 12:15 NLT Entrance-fee is required to visit Church of England's St Paul's Cathedral, albeit as a tourist-attraction and not for worshipping reasons but when people get charged to worship God, charged to fellowship with brethren, charged to hear and receive the Gospel, then something is amiss and Paul says it is an abuse of the preachers' power. What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel. - 1 Corinthians 9:18 KJV I REST MY CASE ON F15, FOR NOW 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 2:56am On Sep 27, 2014*. Modified: 3:17am On Sep 27, 2014 |
[size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F14: PERSONALIZING THE GOSPEL[/size] Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth." - Genesis 11:4 NIV Then they said, "Come, let's build a great city for ourselves with a tower that reaches into the sky. This will make us famous and keep us from being scattered all over the world." - Genesis 11:4 NLT Who personalises the Gospel and/or names God's work, business or ministry after themselves.? Well, this is a common practice among WoF adherents/proponents To them, it is like as if their names have some sort of "anointing", "power" etc hence the reason for the naming of God's work etcetera after themselves, though individual WoF names wont be mentioned, the spirit behind it will be. The Tower of Babel/Nimrod spirit is the principality behind these personalities making name(s) for themselves, lapping up adulation, lapping up idolization, lapping up fame, and/or building empires (e.g. multi-million dollar church ministry/church building/television ministry etc) The influence of the Tower of Babel/Nimrod spirit is so strong, that those personalising the Gospel become bold enough to name the labour of love and work of the Kingdom after themselves (e.g. Pastor XYZ Media Ministries, Pastor Joe Bloggs Ministries etc) The labour of love, work of the Gospel, Bibles, institutions (e.g. universities etc) are named after them whilst alive and not even posthumously They personalise the gospel enough, that it is unavoidably evident that the "ministries" are one-man shows and/or operations, which after the namesakes dies, will decrease and gradually fade out before coming to an end because they are personality and not God driven ministries They personalise the gospel to perfection, they even have personnels or “armour-bearers” to carry their personals (e.g. umbrellas, mobile phones, Bibles, hymn books, man-purse etc) They don’t travel any more different than the next person, but are bent on acquiring personal jet to move about. They've personalised the gospel enough to cling on, dearly to positions, forming MOG, and claiming release or exception from stepping down or submitting to counseling during/after divorce or separation (i.e. they are above that) Personalised the gospel enough that extramarital affairs, divorce and/or separation is OK, as the demands of the ministry takes heavy tolls on marriages. Personalised the gospel enough for personal enrichment through living off tithes and offerings, seed money, first fruits offering etc and through misinterpreting and misquoting bible verses and twisting the bible for other ulterior and financial motives You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? - Matthew 7:16 NLT By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? - Matthew 7:16 NIV "A tree is identified by its fruit. If a tree is good, its fruit will be good. If a tree is bad, its fruit will be bad. - Matthew 12:33 NLT They have become so self absorbed hence the dependence on and/or trust in their own names as opposed to trusting in Jesus' name They personalised the gospel by adding letters after their titles or have initials following their names, so as to be above and have authority over common person Personalised the gospel enough that they have become the focus of a substantial/significant cult following of die-hards They have a following of people, draw attention to themselves instead of constantly pointing others to Jesus They advertise retreats, revivals, conferences on buses, tabloids, TV channels, magazines etc personalised with their pictures prominently displayed on the adverts, flyers, billboards etc Their visits to other gatherings are personal to them, as they expect to have either a seat on the altar or a front row cushioned seat. They promote their books, always called a “your life will never be the same best seller” even though it's not Also one of the main reasons for personalising the Gospel, is to separate and legally guarantee that the incomes/revenues generated from authorship (i.e. proceeds of books sales etc) are exclusively for them and not for the "church" Resorting to self-image (i.e. elevating self instead of elevating God) and when names are put on things, points to the person but in this business of the Father, the rule of thumb is to always point to Jesus Christ whom we are supposed to be serving and not us Afterall when the dust settles, one name remains above every name (i.e. Jesus') and only what is done for and/or named after Jesus will last The Attitude of Christ 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, - Philippians 2:8-9 I REST MY CASE ON F14, FOR NOW 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by BabaGnoni: 10:46pm On Sep 21, 2014 |
[size=18pt]Evander Holyfield and Benny Hinn[/size] https://s28.postimg.org/poav6i2ih/Evan1.jpg https://s28.postimg.org/mg6dtgg8p/Evan2.jpg ... his next fight in April 1994, Evander Holyfield met former WBO Light Heavyweight Michael Moorer, who was attempting to become the first southpaw to become the universally recognised world heavyweight champion. Evander Holyfield dropped Moorer in round two, but lost a twelve round majority decision. When Evander Holyfield went to the hospital to have his shoulder checked, he was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to announce his retirement from boxing. It later surfaced that the chairman of the medical advisory board for the Nevada State Athletic Commission believed his condition to be consistent with HGH use (i.e. Growth hormone) However, watching a television show hosted by preacher Benny Hinn, Holyfield says he felt his heart heal. Holyfield and Hinn subsequently became friends and Holyfield became a frequent visitor to Hinn's crusades. In fact, during this time, Holyfield went to a Benny Hinn crusade in Philadelphia, had Hinn lay hands on him and he gave Hinn a check for $265,000 after he was told he was healed. He then passed his next examination by the boxing commission. Holyfield later stated that his heart was misdiagnosed due to the morphine pumped into his body. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evander_Holyfield 1 Like |
| Politics › Psalm 121:7-8 WARNING: Horrific Video Show Man Being Crushed To Death By Lift. by BabaGnoni(op): 4:51pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iZoIfkRIl4 Published on 19 Sep 2014 Crushed to death by an elevator: The shocking moment a broken lift came down on a student who got trapped between the floor and the door Video footage from surveillance camera fixed inside lift at Chinese university The young man could not move away quickly enough as the lift jerked upwards. He is caught between the floor of the malfunctioning lift and top of the door In one month alone in China there were five fatalities involving broken lifts A horrific video that shows a malfunctioning lift shooting up and slowly crushing a student to death as he steps inside has gone viral in China. The young man, who could not move away quickly enough as the lift jerked upwards, is caught between the floor of the lift and the top of the door, where he is crushed to death. The video footage is from a surveillance camera fixed inside the malfunctioning lift at Huaqiao University, in the city of Xiamen in south-east China's Fujian Province. The three-minute video clip of the incident, which was one of the most widely shared items on social media throughout China yesterday, shows the last minutes of the student's life as his body jerks from a lack of oxygen. The as yet unnamed man was said to be an architecture student from the university who was standing at the front of a small group of people when the doors opened. Another student also at the scene said that the pair were waiting for the lift on the third floor. The doors opened and the lift started to move as the victim stepped inside. He told local media that the young man seemed more surprised than worried as the lift started to rise upwards. He had not had time to react when it suddenly slammed him into the top of the lift's doorframe, trapping his upper torso and left leg in the left, while the rest of his body dangled outside. Rescue workers rushed to free the young man's body, but he was pronounced dead at the scene, having suffocating because his lungs were crushed and he was unable to breathe. Huaqiao University President Jia Yimin promised a full investigation into the incident which has shocked the country where there have been a number of incidents involving lifts. Education officials responded by vowing to conduct safety inspections on all university lifts. In one month alone recently there were six serious injuries involving lift malfunctions of which five ended fatally. 7The Lord will keep you from all harm he will watch over your life; 8the Lord will watch over your coming and going both now and forevermore. - Psalm 121:7-8 NIV |
| Christianity Etc › Re: NASA Finds Message From God On Mars by BabaGnoni: 8:04am On Sep 20, 2014 |
https://s30.postimg.org/4q2wk7x01/Daily_Currant.jpg Q. Are your news stories real? A. No. Our stories are purely fictional. However they are meant to address real-world issues through satire and often refer and link to real events happening in the world http://dailycurrant.com/about/ 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Ruth The 'moabite'..grab Your Bibles by BabaGnoni: 4:03am On Sep 14, 2014 |
Yinkatolu: So then y did bible refer to Ruth and Orpah as Moabite in Ruth 1:3. was there a mix up somewhere? mkpakanaodogwu: Following@JesusisLord85 Good work bro on your critical explanation and especially the proper and exact interpretation of the Ruth text (i.e. Ruth 1:16) 16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: MY SUBMISSION ON F4: THE DEIFICATION OF MAN https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/4#24553236 ...We'll put them under the microscope, and zoom on to "gods" "gods" in Psalms 82.6 is elohim in the Hebrew text whilst "gods" in John 10:34 is theoi in Greek text We've noticed that elohim is translated to "gods". This is OK, because apart from using Elohim for God, elohim (i.e. elohim with small "e'') actually is also used for judges (i.e. Psalms 82:1-4 shows this, and *Exodus 21:6, *Exodus 22:8-9 and Exodus 22:28 too translates elohim as judges) or for other people who hold positions of authority and rule (e.g. for Moses in Exodus 7:1, Exodus 4:16 or others mentioned in the Book of Judges) It is becoming evident that "...gods..." in the Psalms 82.6 is not calling Christians, God with a small "g" (i.e. as be in the same league as God but with a small "g'') The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at all Christians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties So how come WoF openly and unashamedly teach this doctrine, the way they teach it (i.e. wilfully misinterpret Psalms 82:6) Why? What for? What's the gain? It is because of greed, that is why... MY SUBMISSION ON F4: THE DEIFICATION OF MAN https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/4#24553236 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: E-Grace Convention 20-14 by BabaGnoni: 3:59am On Sep 14, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: i found it interesting that your write up was picking hairs. The greek word is ecclesia, the roman adopted the word as "ecclesia", "ecclesiam", the word church didn't appear until the 14th century. Ignatius, damascus, constantine didn't declear a "catholic church" the bore witness to a "catholicam ecclesiam".^^^ (Church History): Where Did We Come From and Where are We Headed? https://www.nairaland.com/1856979/e-grace-convention-20-14/2#25506104 |
| Politics › Re: Change YOUR Gmail Password Now! by BabaGnoni(op): 11:30pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Firefire: The world is sick – Maranatha[size=18pt]How to Check If You Were Exposed by Today's 5 Million Password Leak[/size] Today, almost five million email addresses and passwords were posted on Bitcoin Security, a Russian forum. The forum member who posted the various Gmail and Yandex accounts, "tvskit," claims that 60 percent of the passwords are valid. However, some of them are outdated—the password shown for my personal email address was changed months ago and Business Insider notes that some were as outdated as ten years. Though the forum manager has already removed the file containing exactly 4,930,000 emails and passwords, it has led to somewhat of a digital panic as people work to learn if they have been affected. Someone has created the website "isleaked.com" (isleaked.com/en.php for the English version) for users to match their email address against the list to see if they were affected: The one silver lining to this incident: It looks like these emails weren't from a new hack, instead, they were compiled from a bunch of old thefts. Update 3:20 p.m.: If you are having trouble opening isleaked.com, we would recommend refreshing the page. They're being overwhelmed with traffic right now. After a few refreshes, we were able to open and use the site in the Google Chrome browser. If you are wary of giving your email address, you can replace up to three characters with *** for additional anonymity (though that will show you all the email addresses which match.) Update: 7:35 p.m.: There has been speculation about the integrity of Isleaked, as the domain was registered on September 8th, before American publications widely reported the leak (Russian publications reported the leak on the 8th, and Habrahabr broke the story on the 7th, Habrahabr is a popular Russian IT blog.) The Wire reached out to Isleaked administrators, who offered this statement: 7th september was a day of yandex's mails leakage (http://habrahabr.ru/post/236283/ in russian). First, we made our service specially for yandex. Then was another big leak of mail.ru (http://habrahabr.ru/post/236077/). Yandex and mail.ru are biggest email providers in Russia. So we added leaked mail.ru addresses. Finally there was a gmail leak (http://habrahabr.ru/post/236283/). Since gmail is worldwide mail provider, we decided to translate our service to english. As an alternative, you can use http://securityalert.knowem.com: This article was originally published at http://www.thewire.com/technology/2014/09/how-to-check-if-you-were-exposed-by-todays-5-million-password-leak/379960/ SOURCE: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/check-were-exposed-todays-5-million-password-leak-162922617.html#EAfpJ3o |
| Politics › Change YOUR Gmail Password Now! by BabaGnoni(op): 10:43am On Sep 11, 2014*. Modified: 11:25pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
[size=18pt]Change YOUR Gmail password now! Google issues warning after hackers expose 5 million account details on a Russian website[/size] - Hackers exposed nearly 5 million Gmail account details and passwords on Bitcoin Security – a popular Russian website devoted to cryptocurrency - The leak became known after a user posted a link to the log-in credentials on Reddit frequented by hackers, professional and aspiring - The account holders are mostly English, Russian, and Spanish and 60 percent of accounts were active - A Google spokesman said many of the passwords in question were likely taken from a website other than Google Millions of Gmail users are being advised to change their passwords after a database with usernames and passwords was hacked and exposed on an internet site. Hackers revealed nearly 5 million Gmail account details and passwords on Bitcoin Security – a popular Russian website devoted to cryptocurrency. The leak became known after a user posted a link to the log-in credentials on Reddit frequented by hackers, professional and aspiring. But the text file was published on Bitcoin on Tuesday night by a user called tvskit according to C News, a Russian news outlet. The person who leaked the details said the account holders were English, Russian, and Spanish and 60 percent of accounts were active. The passwords not only give access to Gmail, but other Google services such as Drive and the mobile payment system Google Wallet. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2751238/Google-advises-users-change-passwords-hackers-expose-5-million-Gmail-usernames-passwords-Russian-website.html |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 8:35pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
https://s30.postimg.org/mljvoknjl/Shepherd_Lamb.jpg ... personalising the gospel 2 Likes |
| Phones › Re: RIM Introduces New BBM Features ....... by BabaGnoni: 8:33pm On Sep 07, 2014 |
finfol007: Regardless of d feature,,, Lexusgs430: Snap and send Geotag within bbm app.Don't send with Geotag on. Turn off "Geotag Pictures" (i.e. if not, it adds your GPS location to your pictures) via Camera Settings first, before snapping |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 9:22pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
Wow, the "Viral Video Clip Controversy" is already made into her Wikipedia |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by BabaGnoni: 8:45pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
Keep in mind most of these folks teach it is God’s will to heal you every time you are sick http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/sick.htm 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 11:23pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
Image123: What is this blanket yada yada? Of course, the reply has to have an angle.https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 10:04pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
^^^ He knows that, but just watch, you'll see the angle he's going to come out from 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 8:18pm On Aug 31, 2014*. Modified: 8:38pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
mbaemeka: As per "God considers the heart more important than the words spoken" there could be no greater lie than that. nannymcphee: God my dear, considers the heart first above everything mbaemeka: Sure, What is to be 'declared' should be believed with the heart first and I said so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPmijD6jqHs Below is the snippet of lyrics (i.e. reproduced at 0:30) from the track "Christmas" made by the rock group "The Who" in the above video ♬ And Tommy doesn’t know what day it is♩♪ ♫ He doesn’t know who Jesus is or what praying is ♩♩ How can he be saved ♪♩ From the eternal grave? - Tommy, by the way, is a "deaf, dumb and blind kid." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 11:32am On Aug 31, 2014 |
Candour: "Christianity started in Jerusalem as a movement..... trustman: Indeed Jesus Christ is coming back for his "ekklesia" (courtesy, BabaGnoni). He is not coming for a religion.►Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world - James 1:27 NIV Pure, unstained religion, according to God our Father, is to take care of orphans and widows when they suffer and to remain uncorrupted by this world. - James 1:27 GOD'S WORD® Translation 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 10:14pm On Aug 30, 2014*. Modified: 6:30am On Aug 31, 2014 |
[size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F13: MERCHANDISING THE GOSPEL[/size] At least we are not commercializing God's word like so many others. Instead, we speak with sincerity in the Messiah's name, like people who are sent from God and are accountable to God. - 2 Corinthians 2:17 ISV For we are not as many, false merchandisers of the word of God, but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 2:17 Jubilee Bible 2000 "In Rome," cried Luther, "they sell everything. They would sell the Father, and sell the Son, and sell the Holy Ghost." (i.e. sell the dove like in John 2:16) "Merchandising the Gospel" is not a WoF teaching/doctrine per se, but is, more of a WoF hush-hush or whispered thriving enterprise. It is one of the formulae of creating wealth used by WoF-influenced ministries or preachers. It is about amassing money or riches, literally done by shearing the " Christianity has turned into a big industry, in which, WoF incorporated or non-incorporated takes advantage off and gladly goes about exploiting desperate and vulnerable people by offering all sorts for sale in return for blessing, prosperity healing, miracles, success etc. There is no scruples, so anything goes, anything from selling blackcurrant juice and olive oil drink at over 200% their retail as a "miracle cure" for cancer and HIV, to selling over-inflated items like scarves, sand from Jerusalem, Holy Water, handkerchiefs, prayer cloths, anointing oil, trinkets and any other nick-knacks they're able to dream up, claimed to have been blessed with power for miracles, healing, breakthroughs etc Another trend, is selling books on topics in which the author hasn't got a clean bill of good health in (e.g. matrimonial etc) There is an astonishing plethora range of overpriced, hurriedly written to rush out for printing and mostly small in content/pages, merchandise books offered on most WoF influenced on-line shops or in retail bookshops. Also without any industry proven track record, "self styled, leading lights, yet unseasoned in the industry" WoF preacher fat cats peddle literature, MP3-audios, DVD/CD visuals with titles like "21-steps to financial breakthrough" "Business or Career Breakthrough" etcetera. Then, there is this other "merchandising the Gospel" cunning plan using psychology designed to turn situations to WoF's advantage, it is where the WoF preacher, claims him, his ministry or the WoF preacher's organised event etc is a fertile ground to send, give or donate money to, this in return for healing, marriage prospects, work opportunities, riches etc It is common knowledge that mainstream WoF are incorporated and/or major in big business activities, and hence some of the reasons for those inserted random advertisement slots played by the WoF preacher or the announcing assistant during satellite or TV broadcasted teaching/preaching to sell "products" In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed. - 2 Peter 2:3 NLT https://s30.postimg.org/bk4qyu7kx/Jesus_Industry_c.jpg "and said unto those that sold the doves, Take these things away from here; do not make my Father's house a house of merchandise" - John 2:16 Jubilee Bible 2000 DrummaBoy and trustman, have succinctly briefed us on the embarrassment of the "Merchandising the Gospel" industry and can imagine Jesus weeping again, just like He did, in John 11:35. We are called to promote the gospel and not called to shamefully solicit for money, give undue attention to "products" or promote the sale of "products" When it comes to corrupting, distorting or bastardising the gospel for personal gains or benefits, except for the Church of Rome founded by satan, WoF has no match. [size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F13: MERCHANDISING THE GOSPEL[/size] I REST MY CASE ON F13 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 4:53pm On Aug 30, 2014 |
mbaemeka:^^^ Too much punching above ones weight nonetheless it qualifies to be put in the infamous quotes archives along with other puffed up comments for the same reasons in James 4:6, Matthew 23:12 James 4:16 ...I proclaimed before men and devils alike “I can never be poor!” - David Oyedepo “Commanding the Supernatural” 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 12:20am On Aug 30, 2014 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 11:41pm On Aug 29, 2014*. Modified: 12:13am On Aug 30, 2014 |
Image123: Gnoni, i've seen your posts to me (goes for drumb and Nora too) as regards Dr Lake.You're doing yourself a great disservice skimming through that FYI This thread is not about personalities but more of "shine your eyes welu welu" if not its "last chance saloon" situation then. It isn't really about the contemporary men around us but is more about how they came about their teachings, practices, doctrine (i.e. what or where is the origin) The "WOF talks" already is showing where and how the contemporary men around us got influenced or indoctrinated by "relics and largely unknown people" It is from the "relics and largely unknown people" that some contemporary men around us learned: - to build universities and become chancellors of such universities - to set up and practice healing rooms or schools - to wear white suits albeit the international and our own local one don't anymore - to pursue acquiring private jets - to be vainglory and puffed up in biggest/largest building(s) in the world - to merchandise, personalise etc the Gospel - to acquire bodyguards and/or security personnel - to etc etc 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 7:59pm On Aug 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Yes, God didn't commission me to suffer A.K.A be in poverty, be sick etc for the Gospel. God want's me to Prosper A.K.A be in health, peace, rich etc for the gospel. That's what I have always said, maybe my latter post just elucidated my position better to you.^^^ SMH, that verse (i.e. Romans 3:27) was about the pretensions of the Jew and completely unrelated to the discourse with Candour 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 1:04pm On Aug 29, 2014*. Modified: 6:15pm On Aug 29, 2014 |
image123 [size=18pt]Continued[/size] John G. Lake's "ministry" consisted of a mixture. He promoted New Age/ Eastern philosophies, contact with the dead (called necromancy), out of body experiences, church in dominionism (known as Latter Rain) and word faith teaching that we can all become a god. You could honestly say he was the Benny Hinn of his time. The Dominion Theology belief was the basis for this ministry, (Latter Rain-Kingdom Now, and Manifested Sons of God.) This belief system teaches the church will be perfected through the apostles and prophets, the church will then affect the world, then Jesus returns to a pure and powerful bride. The "dominion" is to be exercised over all things, people, sickness and even Satan. Lake claimed that sin was the cause of sickness and anyone who went to a doctor was like a heathen and yet he suffered from colds, a nervous breakdown and even died from a stroke in 1935. “Lake believed his generation missed the mark by not realizing the true definition of apostolic ministry. Some attempted to build an apostolic church around the doctrine and manifestation of healing power. Others attempted to establish the apostolic church around the restoration of the gifts and speaking in tongues, while some attempted to create and establish the apostolic order around the doctrine of holiness. This next explanation should explain exactly what Lakes vision was about and how it coincides with the apostolic prophetic movement that is currently in the church and trying to mislead her. “True apostolic ministry is a fulfillment of John 14:12, with the Holy Spirit performing the same works through the church that He did through the life and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is a ministry of perfection coming to the church that will prepare her for the return of the Bridegroom.” (you can see this same teaching in the third wave groups and prophetic ministries). “He taught in Joel 2:25, the Lord makes a wonderful promise to restore all that the palmer worm, cankerworm, caterpillar, and the locust have destroyed (KJV). These four stages of a maturing locust are used to prophetically symbolize the way that the spirit of the antichrist would attack the church. In Joel 2:25, the Lord makes a wonderful promise to restore all that the palmer worm, cankerworm, caterpillar, and the locust have destroyed (KJV). These four stages of a maturing locust are used to prophetically symbolize the way that the spirit of the antichrist would attack the church.” The Lord’s promise to restore the apostolic church began through the ministry of Martin Luther and has now matured to a level so that this generation can expect the complete restoration of biblical apostolic ministry.” When the day of Pentecost had fully come, the Holy Spirit descended upon them and watered the seed within their hearts, producing the life of Christ and the apostolic church. This same process must be realized in this church age as well.” (Website- IFM International fellowship of ministries This is pure Latter Rain speech and one who has followed the disappointments of prophet hopefuls that spoke the same such as Paul Cain and the Kansas group of prophets, they know this is not good. "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father” Lakes rendition of John 14:12, if true left out 99.99 percent of the church throughout all time except for the elite chosen ones, like Him. According to Lake, “the truest definition of the apostolic church could be expressed in the awesome and reverential experience known as the baptism of the Holy Spirit.” While Lake rightly pointed out that the baptism was not just a gift of God, but God himself. Teaching that one did not become a dwelling place of God until they had this experience is contrary to Scripture (see Eph.1:13) – this is why Paul asked a certain group in Acts 19:2 if they received the Holy Spirit when they believed. Because that is when we are baptized by the Holy Spirit -See also Eph. 4:30; Acts 10:47,15:8 While Lake was feverishly burning up for more of God (especially an experience through power), God asks that we give more of ourselves to him so that the life of Christ that is already implanted in every believer can have its way. In other words we need to die to self, our desires, our ways. Lake is known as a man who walked in the revelation of "God in man." He believed that a Spirit-filled Christian should see the same type of ministry Jesus did while he was on earth, and that this could only be accomplished by seeing themselves as God saw them. His belief was that Christians are to become "gods." Lake a former Methodist believed in entire sanctification. Along with salvation, was a complete deliverance from illness. Quotes on Lake from DesVoignes research are quite shocking, considering the respect people have of him. "It is not honoring to Jesus Christ that sickness should possess us. We do not want disease. We want to be gods. Jesus said, 'I said ye are gods' (John 10:34). It is with the attitude of gods in the world that Jesus wants the Christian to live" (John G. Lake: His Life His Sermons, His Boldness of Faith, Kenneth Copeland Publications, 1995, p. 13). 'I said ye are gods' is a Scripture that is often taken out of context with those who are not biblically astute. Jesus want us to have an attitude of a servant, not a God (Phil.2 tells us this is the mind of Christ). No apostle ever taught the church that we are gods. But this is repeated today by Mormons –Occultists and word faith cultists. It is far more than just a mistake, it is what the Bible calls heresy. Ps.82 and John 10:34 needs to be examined it in context. Jesus was scolding them, not affirming their nature. This teaching happens to distort man’s nature and relationship to God. Anyone who teaches this should not be accepted as a good teacher of God’s word because it does not accurately represent what God has said about humanity and misrepresents the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Lake said: "The power of God, the Holy Ghost, is the Spirit of Dominion. It makes one a god." (ibid. p. 13) God does not see us as gods or an incarnation. Neither do we see the apostles exercising dominion as Lake taught. Lake: "I want you to hear what Jesus said about himself. God was in Christ, wasn't He? An incarnation. God is in you, an incarnation, if you were born again. You are incarnate." (ibid. p. 196). Incarnate from what? We did not exist as God before we were born which is what this means with Jesus. Lake did not understand the incarnation. Lake: "For God's purpose through Jesus Christ is to deify the nature of men and thus forever make them like unto, ... Thus he becomes the Son of god, a Savior and redeemer forever" (Ibid. p. 304). Can man become an only begotten son, which makes him the savior? Again Lake exhibited a poor and heretical understanding of the core teachings of God and man. "I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God” (Isaiah 45:5-7) “And there is no other God besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none except Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other."(Isaiah 45:21-22). Lake is mentioned as one of Kenneth Copeland's favorite mentors (besides his discipler Kenneth Hagin), Copeland states of Lake: "The thing that was forfeited in the garden was regained. God gave him [Adam] dominion over the works of His hand. God made him His understudy, His king to rule over everything that had life. Man was master. man lived in the realm of god. He lived on terms of equality with God. God was a faith God. All God had to do was to believe that the sun was, and the sun was. All God had to do was to believe that the planets would be, and they were. Man belonged to God's class of being - a faith man, And he lived in the creative realm of God, " ("John G. Lake, " Kenneth Copeland Publications, Fort Worth, Texas 1994, p. 66.) No one who has the ability to become a God, for the simple reason that God is not created – as humans we are. Adam was never to become a god, nor was he made an equal of God. There is no such thing as a creative realm of God, for God transcends anything he has created and is not limited by it. Neither do we as believers regain a rulership over creation. God did not create by faith, God did not create because of His faith. God created by the word of His power, not by faith in His belief. Deify mans nature to make us the son of God? How is this possible when the Bible speaks of the ONLY begotten son of God as God himself? What kind of teaching is this. Lake teaching humans attain godhood corrupts everything else – in fact how can the God of truth honor such a lie with his power? When you have such distorted beliefs of the Bible it affects how you look at other religions. What did Lake say about Eastern philosophies: "Many of the ancient philosophies have marvelous light. One of the Indian philosophies, Bhagavad, were written five hundred years before Isaiah. In it they predicted the coming of a Son of God, a Redeemer, who was to come and redeem mankind." Buddha presented his philosophy five hundred years before Jesus. Pythagoras wrote four thousand years before Christ. In each one you will find many of the teachings of Jesus.” “The teachings of Jesus were not unique in that they were all new. They were new because they contained something that none of the rest possessed. It was the divine content in the word of Jesus Christ that gave his teachings their distinguishing feature from the other philosophies" (John G. Lake: His Life His Sermons, His Boldness of Faith, Kenneth Copeland Publications, 1995, p.304) Can false religions have a "marvelous light.” As Christians do we not believe light is found only in God’s word, Jesus being the true light. How can a book teach anything about God if the people who wrote do not know God? The Bhagavad Gita is Hindu teaching; it does not predict a Jewish Messiah. Buddha did not teach about God. You will find none of the teachings of Jesus in their books, what you may find is what is left known in mans conscience of right and wrong according to Romans 1:21-32. Can anyone come to know Jesus Christ through these other religions teachings? These books should not be used or spoken of as valid truth. If what Lake stated is true, then why did Jesus say "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture” (John 10:8-9). http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac40.htm 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 1:03pm On Aug 29, 2014*. Modified: 6:15pm On Aug 29, 2014 |
image123 [size=18pt]Swimming in Lake Exaggeration John Lake and the Healing rooms [/size] Many have a romantic view of these healers, especially John Lake. Lake is called by some the most powerful healing evangelist of all time- which seems to be a title that should not be given to any man. The Healing Room ministry is based on the teachings of John G. Lake. When tested you will find much of it is NOT based on the Word of God but a man’s wrong interpretation of the word of God. Lake was born in Canada March 8, 1870, when he was 16 he moved to the US. He came to faith at a Salvation Army meeting that same year. It is said that he received understanding on healing from an American Indian (John Lake Ministries- www.jglm2.atomicshops.com/whoisjglm.html) . We are told that eight of his 16 brothers and sisters died of various diseases. Lake was introduced to John Alexander Dowie’s ministry in 1898. It is claimed that he experienced his own miraculous healing of his childhood rheumatoid arthritis, and saw his sister’s cancer and brother’s blood disease under the ministry of Dowie. We read that he wanted to bring his sister who was dying to Dowie’s Healing Home in Chicago but it was late, so he telegraphed Dowie pleading for prayer. Dowie telegraphed back: “Hold on to God. I am praying. She will live.” That statement caused Lake to wage a spiritual attack on the power of death to not take another loved one– and we are told within the hour his sister was completely healed. Unfortunately there is more than one story on his first wife’s illness being healed. We are told Lake's wife was healed through Dowie's prayer of faith. This seems to have happened years before he met Dowie. Yet we are told in another story, His new wife also became sick and was on the verge of dying (April 28, 1898) and he stood his ground and would not allow it. His wife of Jennie battled for breath in her final hours when Lake finally put his foot down. He would not tolerate the enemy stealing away the mother of his children. He determined to believe God’s Word as it was revealed to him for her healing and at 9:30 a.m. he contended for her life in prayer upon which she rose up healed, praising the Lord in a loud voice. News then spread of Jennie’s healing, and Lake was sought after for his healing anointing. This idea of the Devil claiming his wife is problematic in that believers are under the sovereign care of Jesus, it is he who has the keys of death and hell. No believer will die unless God himself allows it. The book of Job gives us insight on how God may allow the devil to afflict us but it is only by his permission, the Devil is not running around doing whatever he wants, his power and ability has to answer to God first. Lake then began a study of divine healing. Lake moved his family to Zion, IL, in 1901, “For the purpose of studying divine healing so that can I learn it and teach it.” Lake learned healing under Alexander Dowie. Lake’s involvement with Alexander Dowie is problematic. Dowie’s focus on healing was more than extreme, he insisted that those who prayed to be healed must relinquish their medication for faith. Lake also believed, "...one could only be healed in Dr. Dowie's Healing Home." http://www.christianhistory.org/lake.html Christian Historical Preservation Society. John G. Lake: A Man of Healing. Most downplay the sheer eccentric ministry of Dowie, who had many doctrinal abnormalities. He founded a large commune called Zion City in the North Chicago area in the early 1900s (the real Zion is in Israel). Zion city was to be the "New Jerusalem" and would be the capital of the world. Dowie stated: "the starting point of the restoration, the city from which God would personally direct the affairs of his kingdom." The Prophet and His Profits, The Century Magazine, Oct. 1902, p. 941). While Lake was there he was learning from him and became an elder in his Zion Catholic Apostolic church. Dowie was a self-proclaimed healer, apostle and prophet who said he came in the spirit of Elijah. In 1901 he even claimed he was Elijah, the restorer, 3 years later told his 1,000 followers in his city to expect the full restoration of apostolic Christianity (much like Peter Wagner’s group today). He believed he was chosen as the first apostle of the end- times church. Dowie went further off theologically as the years went by and established “Divine Healing Homes.” He invited the sick and crippled to come for healing ‘as his private guests. They were to renounce doctors, medication, alcohol, etc. He explained to them that all illness was the work of the devil; their cure would come from God only by his request. In 1905 Dowie suffered a stroke which changed everything. By 1906 both his health and following declined, he lost his community of Zion; some say there was financial mismanagement. Dowie died in 1907. The influence of Dowie on Lakes ministry is evident. Because of this, and other held teachings the amount of miraculous acts of this man are brought into question. Lake had sought God hard for the baptism of the Holy Spirit and tells us that after nine months the power of God come upon him (1907). This is a wrong Pentecostal view, we are all baptized in the Spirit when we are saved, we receive subsequent fillings. The Holy Spirit can come upon us and often does as we step out in faith in service to the Lord. It is not something we must strive for. God promises to give his Holy Spirit to those who obey him (Acts 5:32). Here is how Lake describes it: "I prayed for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit for nine months, and if a man ever prayed honestly, and sincerely in the faith, I did. Finally one day I was ready to throw up my hands, and quit. I said, 'Lord, it may be for others, but it is not for me. You just cannot give it to me.' I did not blame God. One night a gentleman by the name of Pierce said, 'Mr. Lake, I have been wishing for a long time you would come over, and we would spend a night in prayer together. We have been praying for the Baptism for a whole year and there is not one of us baptized yet. Brother, I do not believe that you are either, so we can pray for one another." I was so hungry to pray, so I went with all intentions of praying for the rest, but I had not been praying five minutes until the light of God began to shine around me, I found myself in a center of an arc of light ten feet in diameter, the whitest light in all the universe. So white! Oh how it spoke of purity. The remembrance of that whiteness, that wonderful whiteness, has been the ideal that has stood before my soul, of the purity of the nature of God ever since.” "Then a Voice began to talk to me out of that light. There was no form. And the Voice began to remind me of this incident, and that incident of disobedience to my parents, from a child; of my obstinacy, and dozens of instances when God brought me up to the line of absolutely putting my body, soul, and spirit upon the altar forever” (pp. 16-20 'John G. Lake - Apostle to Africa', by Gordon Lindsay). Lake finally had a spiritual experience that CHANGED HIS LIFE- he called it the baptism of the spirit. But no one in the Bible describes it in these details. In fact, we are warned of Satan coming as angel of light, a minister of righteousness, there are too many stories of this same light being a different revelation to Joseph Smith and others. What is uncanny is the similarity of Williams Branham's experience with a light. It seems that there is a consistency with men who exhibit these great supernatural powers- this light. “I found that my life began to manifest in the varied range of the gifts of the Spirit. I spoke in tongues by the power of God, and God flowed through me with a new force. Healings were of a more powerful order. Oh, God lived in me; God manifested in me; God spoke through me. My spirit was energized. I had a new comprehension of God's will, a new discernment of spirit, and a new revelation of God in me.” When visiting a sick lady at her home: The Spirit said, 'I have heard your prayers, I have seen your tears. You are now Baptized in the Holy Spirit.' Then currents of power began to rush through my being from the crown of my head to the soles of my feet. The shocks of power increased in rapidity, and voltage. As these currents of power would pass through me, they seemed to come upon my head, rush through my body, and through my feet into the floor... (ibid. pp. 16-20). This description is similar when one experiences the Kundalini force through yoga and meditiation. These same descriptions are found with those who have been attending meetings of Toronto, Brownsville and Rodney Brownes (testimony) meetings. "Then a new wonder manifested. My nature became so sensitized, that I could lay hands on any man, or woman, and tell what organ was diseased, and to what extent, and all about it. I tested it. I went into hospitals where physicians could not diagnose a case, touched a patient, and instantly I knew the organ that was diseased, its extent, condition, and location.” Powers like these have to be questioned especially when we know the belief system Lake was trained under and what he himself believed (we will get to this). Lake’s life is surrounded with grandiose claims of “beyond apostolic miracles” and this is where it is hard to distinguish the truth from fiction. Lake decided to go to Africa. Some say he had no visible means of support, and was miraculously provided every step of the way. Others say Lake prospered in the business world as a real estate agent and later a insurance executive and acquired much wealth (he had a wage of $50,000 a year that he left behind). As with a number of events in his life, we have at least two different stories. Vinson Synan, writes of John G. Lake’s Pentecostal theology being brought too Africa: “In April 1908, he led a large missionary party to Johannesburg where he began to spread the Pentecostal message throughout the nation.” Another account states he went with only four other workers and his family. These disputed facts are not isolated incidences. His first wife (Jennie) died six months after they arrived in South Africa in 1908. Lakes wife is said to have died of overwork and malnutrition, which seems to fit the story of their not being always provided with sufficient food to live on. He stayed there for four more years raising 7 children with his sisters help. We are told in 1912, after four years of ministry in Africa, having produced 1,250 preachers, 625 congregations (some say 700), and 100,000 converts. “Miracles and healings such as had not been seen in almost 2000 years became almost commonplace” (http://www.jglm2.atomicshops.com/whoisjglm.html). That’s quite a feat in 4 years- that would be a preacher a day under him and a new congregation every two days. Well if you want to believe this you can. I wonder what kind of quality preachers these would be. Where did he find all these people? When Paul taught the Ephesians he went through the whole counsel of God, he was there with them for three years to teach them correctly. Anyone who has trained people for pastoral ministry or planted churches knows it is not something done quickly. All we need to do is look at the New Testament examples to see that churches were not made quickly and in great numbers. With Lake, again, we have what I believe is a greater exaggeration, not a greater work. There are too many different stories of what transpired and the numbers are not consistent After Lake’s first wife died, he was contacted by a woman with a bad eye. Lake described the "Spirit" coming over her while she was sitting in a chair and: "She arose from her chair, her eyes quite shut, and came in my direction. I got up and moved my chair. She walked right around and came to me. She slipped her fingers down, gave me a little chuck just like my late wife would have done, and said, ‘Jack, my Jack, God is with you all the time. Go right on. But my baby, my Teddy, I am so lonesome for him, but you pray so hard, you pray so hard" (John G. Lake: His Life His Sermons, His Boldness of Faith, Kenneth Copeland Publications, 1995, p.133) Lake believed this to be his deceased wife talking to him, this experience was like channeling today. Lake did not seem to believe the Word said contacting the dead is wrong. He excused it by saying, "Listen, it is not dragging spirits up, and it isn’t dragging some spirits down. There is nothing about calling spirits down from God in the Word; only about calling them up out of the depths" (ibid.) "Now I want you to fix this in your mind. The blood washed always go there [3rd heaven] and if you ever talk to anyone that is over there you will go to them. They are not going to leave the throne, but they will say, ‘Brother, come up here’. That is the only way you will ever communicate with them" (ibid.) God forbids contact with the dead or using mediums (Deut. 18:9, 10, 11, 12) but Lake ignored the warnings and transgressed into an area that is harmful to one relationship with Christ. When Lake returned to the US in Feb. 1913, he remarried 6 months later Florence Switzer and fathered five more children. He then began traveling. In 1914 he went to England and attended a meeting with Pentecostal leaders. While in England, Lake founded the International Apostolic Council. Upon his returned to the US, he moved to Spokane, WA. (1914). After six months he opened his own building called "Lake's Divine Healing Rooms". He began training “Divine Healing Technicians" through his organization: The Divine Healing Institute. From Feb. 1915 until May 1920, it is claimed that Lake and his Divine Healing Technicians saw over 100,000 confirmed healings. From there he went to various other cities traveling down the California coast duplicating what is now called Healing Rooms. We can see why he is in the category off doing greater works. 2 Likes |
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