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[size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F12: Fake healing schools[/size]

Some of the things typical and bearing hallmarks of a WoF influenced set up are, build universities, solicit seed money, putting on white suits like a form of uniform, setting up fake healing schools etc

Now it is worth noting that the biggest deceptions in the past two-three centuries is fake healing

It is the absurd pretense orchestrated to create the impression of healing or atmosphere of miracles which is classed as fake in so called healing schools.

As it currently stands, fake healing definitely, far far outnumbers genuine healing, and this is because most of the supposedly healing are unverifiable.

Any claim that people need healing schools to express faith in God's ability to heal is hogwash.
It is as if, divine healing and/or miracles are bound by geography or that location (i.e. need to be at healing schools) is a prerequisite before healing/miracles can be released or received.
- the earth is the Lord's and its fullness thereof

Most of the heavy weight WoF preachers don't practice what they preach, as they end up in hospitals, where they die of ailments, diseases etc (i.e. resorting to hospitals after not receiving healing from the schools they've set up)

Healing schools (i.e. School of Miracles or Revival School Of Ministry) are cash cows, just another revenue stream for the organisers to tap into.

Healing schools happens to be glorified pyramid schemes or high-yield investment programs (i.e. HYIP) which claim to offer healing in exchange for time, money etc spent with at the schools.

This is an elaborate and sophisticated con scheme, exploiting the vulnerable and exclusively profiting those behind the whole healing school set-up.

Taking advantage of people by pretending to be engaged in healing whereas the greater focus actually is on money they'll gain rather than on healing.

Anyone that believes that, healing is the core reason behind setting up these charades called healing schools has another thing coming.
Healing is a smokescreen, the whole healing school set up is designed to disguise the organiser's real intentions and aims.

The attraction and promise of healing is the bait, the hyped-up healing schools use to lure the unsuspecting, the vulnerable, the despairing, the hopeful etc
The truth about what really goes on and down in these healing school are:
covetousness, deception, greed, boldfaced lies and over-bloated egos.

The irony is that, most of the healing schools, behind the scenes and/or off-camera, actually do schooling.
Schooling, as in, do give coaching instructions and suggestive activities, before cherry-picking the prime of the attendees, for fake healing and effectively lie about the healing that allegedly took place

The following is a snippet and transcript of a well known WoF big shot preacher on ABC Nightline responding to accusations concerning lavish lifestyle and controversial claims of faith healings

INTERVIEWER - are you taking advantage of people who are profoundly religious and also vulnerable because they're in physical pain for your own personal enrichment.

WoF BIG SHOT - I'm glad you're asking, let me tell you something. I would not do this for money. If people think I'll do this for money, after all the misery, I've had to go through

INTERVIEWER - (Interrupts) What misery

WoF BIG SHOT - Oh my God, you're like a human being like me.
I wouldn't like to be called all those names. Who wants that?
What you're asking is. Am I using the so called lie, that healing really happens so I can make money?

INTERVIEWER - (Responds) Correct

WoF BIG SHOT - OK. Of course not. You can not fool all the people, all the time. Right?

INTERVIEWER - (Interjects WoF BIG SHOT) You don't need to fool all the people all the time.
You just need to fool some people, sometimes

WoF BIG SHOT - (Laughs uneasily) Okay, that's that's OK.
I mean I understand that but I will tell you this. I think if I was fooling the people
over 35 years of it now I would have been caught already fooling them

[PROGRAMME VOICE NARRATION:
WoF BIG SHOT admits he doesn't have any medical verification of any of the healings
and in fact some of the supposedly healings have turned out not to be real at all

VOICE NARRATION NOW SHOWING A CLIP OF HEALING CLAIMED TO HAVE HAPPENED AT ONE OF WoF BIG SHOT'S EVENT:
Nine-year-old William Vandenkolk claimed his failing eyesight had improved at this crusade in 2001
William is now 17 and still legally blind

William:
I'd say I was caught up in the moment being as young as I was,
thinking I can actually bring my vision back...]

WoF BIG SHOT - (Nodding head whilst watching clip) Yep

INTERVIEWER - (Interjects) His name is William...

WoF BIG SHOT - I know...

INTERVIEWER - ...and he still can't see.

WoF BIG SHOT - These are things, I cannot explain because I'm not the healer
I'm human like you, I make mistakes like anybody else.

PROGRAMME VOICE NARRATION:
WoF BIG SHOT says God does the healing, not him and that he is therefore not responsible for what people claim on stage]

"I am not responsible for what people claim on stage" is the line most WoF healing preachers toes when confronted with healing that turned out not to be true
PROGRAMME VOICE NARRATION CUT-OFF:]

This is the story of the WoF BIG SHOT and William Vandenkolk mentioned above as related in the Los Angeles Times:

Sitting cross-legged in front of a big-screen TV,
the 11-year-old squints through Coke-bottle glasses at a Miracle Crusade video made more than two years ago
in which he starred as a boy who miraculously recovered from blindness.

"I liked it at first because I thought I was being healed," says Williams in the living room of his aunt and uncle’s home.
On the screen, WoF BIG SHOT bends down to William, his hands on the child’s face.
"Look at these tears," says WoF BIG SHOT, peering into the child’s eyes.
"William, baby, can you see me?" Before more than 15,000 people in a Las Vegas arena,
William nods. In a small voice, the boy says, "As soon as God healed me, I could see better."

WoF BIG SHOT, an arm wrapped around William, tells the audience that God has told him to pay the child’s medical expenses and education. People weep.

Today William is still legally blind and says his sight never improved, and that his on-stage comments were wishful thinking.
Incidentally, the family has yet to receive any of the promised money for medical or educational expenses.

²¹You may be wondering, "How can we recognize that the LORD didn't speak this message?"
²²If a prophet speaks in the LORD's name and what he says doesn't happen or come true, then it didn't come from the LORD.
That prophet has spoken on his own authority. Never be afraid of him
- Deuteronomy 18:21-22 GOD'S WORD® Translation

"Remote control" is a technique to watch out for during some fake healing sessions. This is when the "healer" stands ten feet or so away from unsuspecting "healees" and then manipulates the "healee's" movements with hand motions (e.g. by scooting hand to the left or right, the "healee" irresistibly seems drawn to the left, or to the right) Also with the circling movement of the "healer's" hands, the "healee" is manipulated into a circle, and eventually ends up falling down into a dazed heap after a moment of spiralling out of control

"Point of contact" is another technique to watch out for. It like the "remote control" are occult healing practices and they both, are techniques adopted which are closely related to a control technique termed "mesmerism"
"Mesmerism" is named after Franz Anton Mesmer (i.e. 1734-1815) an Austrian physician, who believed the human nervous system to be magnetized and so would wave his hands in front of his patients, believing that a magnetic force emanated from his hands.

The above mentioned techniques among others, are easily spotted used on local and international recorded satellite healing TV or YouTube broadcasts

There are several distinctness in the way Jesus healed that are not characteristic of healing schools.
First, Jesus healed instantly, second, Jesus had no healing schools, third, Jesus certainly did no coaching or unverifiable healing,
fourth, Jesus had no returns nor accusations of fake healing levied against him,
fifth, Jesus didn't describe or draw attention to the healing, nor use billboards, adverts etc in order to encourage attendance or promote "sales"
sixth, Jesus never healed the same way twice (i.e. He healed spontaneously. He didn't have a modus operandi and never followed healing set techniques)

We know of prophets school or school of prophets in the bible founded by Samuel (i.e. 2 Kings 2:3 & 5, 1 Kings 18:13 etc), its intent and purpose
but as for these fake healing schools, the bottom line is, the primary purpose of setting them up is to get money.
They are money-spinners, which bring in revenues from the sale of healing paraphernalia, books, DVDs/CDs/Videos/tapes and love gifts.
Names of attendees are harvested and added to email databases and/or addresses mailing list for regular future contacting and ask for financial donations etc.

Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves.
- Luke 10:3 NIV

"I am sending you out like sheep surrounded by wolves,
so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
- Matthew 10:16 NET Bible

Quite right, among wolves indeed. Most healing schools are sharks, predatory, wrongly using the unsuspecting for material gains and/or personal profit.
The genuine ones are few and far in between. Genuine ones don't advertise. Genuine ones do not seek or sought vainglory.
Apart from been a victim of the aoristic trap, Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:17-18 is religionised and become a travesty, which fake healing school practitioners have capitalised on and taken advantage of it.

The New Testament was originally written in Greek, so when reading Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:17-18 and juxtaposing it with Acts 28:3-9,
they all come together and make sense, but it only does after realising that there were Greek aorist tenses used in the original text
and these in the original text, at times, do not properly convey their import, talkless expecting it doing so after translation to English
(e.g. the prophetic aorist tense used in Mark 16:17-18 which later happened in Acts 28:3-9)

Tense, tempus in Latin, means time. Unlike English grammar tense (e.g. present, past and future) which is a category that locates an event or situation in time, to indicate when the situation takes place,
Greek aorist tense, is a class of verb forms that indicate past action without reference to whether the action involved was momentary, complete or continuous (i.e. doesn't specify a point in time, duration, or repetition) and so uses other methods when talking about time
- For some information on Greek aorist tense and explanation on a few Greek aorist tenses, visit
http://ezraproject.com/id34.html
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/jbl/1972_stagg.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aorist_%28Ancient_Greek%29#Syntax
http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/48/48-3/JETS_48-3_533-555.pdf

Closing, healing and miracles have remits and protocols to adhere to, some will wrought in healing schools, wrought with faith at homes, wrought with elders laying hands etc some will not wrought at all, and so expected to be wrought elsewhere according to God's sovereign...
Not all healing and/or miracles will be received at healing schools. This is evident and more the reason why fake healing is resorted to, in healing schools to validate WoF influenced "healing" schools or ministries

God endorsing healing, this is not questionable, after all He is JEHOVAH RAHPA

He said, "If you listen carefully to the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes,
if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees,
I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians,
for I am the LORD, who heals you."
- Exodus 15:26 NIV

There are some healing and miracles God will personally perform or answer to cure via use prayer of faith alone as in healing stuff we can't see and that's without medical assistance etc
(e.g. curing diseases like cancer etc, repairing internal organs like liver etc)
also, there are others He has left to man to wrought out, healing, relief, or cure by himself, without Him, God directly intervening
but by man exercising the prayer(s) of faith and benefiting from the God deposited wisdom and gifts of healing (e.g. Exodus 28:3, 1 Corinthians 12:9 etc) manifesting in the medicals and the likes.
(e.g. pain relief due to toothache, reattaching severed limbs, correcting spina bifida, reconstructing disfigured faces etc)
God sticks to such protocol, established rules, because He is respecting and keeping to His word concerning man in Genesis 1:26 & 28

The signs and wonders (Acts 4:31, Acts 14:3 etc) performed by the Paul and Barnabas, Peter etc were necessary signposting circumventing the rules etc in order to establish ekklesia in the early days on good and strong footing.
The moment that was done healing, miracles, cures and wonders issues became a stickler to rules and where applicable conforming to them

[size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F12: Fake healing schools[/size]
I REST MY CASE ON F12, FOR NOW.

The Tithe War (Irish: Cogadh na nDeachúna) was a campaign of nonviolent civil disobedience, punctuated by sporadic violent episodes, in Ireland between 1830 and 1836 in reaction to the enforcement of tithes on subsistence farmers and others for the upkeep of the established state church – the Church of Ireland. Tithes were payable in cash or kind and payment was compulsory, irrespective of an individual's religious adherence.

Background

Tithe payment was an obligation on those working the land to pay ten per cent of the value of certain types of agricultural produce for the upkeep of the clergy and maintenance of the assets of the church. After the Reformation in Ireland of the 16th century, the assets of the church were allocated by King Henry VIII to the new established church. The majority in Ireland who remained loyal to the old religion were then obliged to make tithe payments which were directed away from their own church to the reformed one. This increased the financial burden on subsistence farmers, many of whom were at the same time making voluntary contributions to the construction or purchase of new premises to provide Roman Catholic places of worship. The new established church was supported by only a minority of the population, seventy-five percent of whom continued to adhere to Roman Catholicism.

Emancipation for Roman Catholics was promised by Pitt during the campaign in favour of the Act of Union of 1801 which was approved by the Irish Parliament, thus abolishing itself and creating the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The king, however, refused to keep Pitt's promises, and it was not until 1829 that the Duke of Wellington's government finally conceded to the Roman Catholic Emancipation Act, in the teeth of defiant royal opposition. However, the obligation to pay tithes to the Church of Ireland remained, causing much resentment. Roman Catholic clerical establishments in Ireland had refused government offers of tithe-sharing with the established church, fearing that British government regulation and control would come with acceptance of such money.

The tithe burden lay directly on the shoulders of farmers, whether tenants or owner-occupiers. More often than not, tithes were paid in kind, in the form of produce or livestock. In 1830, given the system of benefices in the Anglican system, almost half of the clergy were not resident in the parishes from which they drew their incomes. These issues, more often than not, were inflamed by the senior Irish Roman Catholic clergy, who were now dependent on voluntary contributions due to the discontinuation of the Maynooth grant. Incensed farmers vehemently resisted paying for the support of two clerical establishments. Aided and abetted by many of the Roman Catholic bishops and clergy, they began a campaign of non-payment.

After Emancipation in 1829, an organized campaign of resistance to collection began. It was sufficiently successful to have a serious financial effect on the welfare of established church clergy. In 1831, the government compiled lists of defaulters and issued collection orders for the seizure of goods and chattels (mostly stock). Spasmodic violence broke out in various parts of Ireland, particularly in counties Kilkenny, Tipperary and Wexford. The Irish Constabulary, which had been established in 1822, attempted to enforce the orders of seizures. At markets and fairs, the constabulary often seized stock and produce, which often resulted in violent resistance.

A campaign of passive resistance was proposed by Patrick "Patt" Lalor (1781–1856), a farmer of Tenakill, Queen's County, who later served as a repeal MP (1832–35). He declared at a public meeting in February 1831 in Maryborough that "...he would never again pay tithes; that he would violate no law; that the tithe men might take his property, and offer it for sale; but his countrymen, he was proud to say, respected him, and he thought that none of them would buy or bid for it if exposed for sale. The declaration was received by the meeting in various ways: by many with surprise and astonishment; by others with consternation and dismay, but by a vast majority with tremendous cheering." Lalor held true to his word and did not resist the confiscation of 20 sheep from his farm, but was able to ensure no buyers appeared at subsequent auctions.

The "war" 1831–36

The first clash of the Tithe War took place on 3 March 1831 in Graiguenamanagh, County Kilkenny, when a force of 120 yeomanry tried to enforce seizure orders on cattle belonging to a Roman Catholic priest. Encouraged by his bishop, he had organised people to resist tithe collection by placing their stock under his ownership prior to sale. The revolt soon spread. On 18 June 1831, in Bunclody (Newtownbarry), County Wexford, people resisting the seizure of cattle were fired upon by the Irish Constabulary, who killed twelve and wounded twenty; one yeoman was shot dead in retaliation. This massacre caused objectors to organise and use warnings such as church bells to signal the community to round up the cattle and stock. On 14 December 1831, resisters used such warnings to ambush a detachment of 40 Constabulary at Carrickshock (County Kilkenny). Twelve constables, including the Chief Constable, were killed and more wounded. (Other sources put the number of dead at eighteen.)

Regular clashes causing fatalities continued over the next two years, causing the authorities to reinforce selected army barracks fearing an escalation. Taking stock of the continuing resistance, in 1831 the authorities recorded 242 homicides, 1,179 robberies, 401 burglaries, 568 burnings, 280 cases of cattle-maiming, 161 assaults, 203 riots and 723 attacks on property directly attributed to seizure order enforcement. In 1832, the president of Carlow College was imprisoned for not paying tithes. On 18 December 1834, the conflict came to a head at Rathcormac, County Cork, when armed Constabulary reinforced by the regular British Army killed twelve and wounded forty-two during several hours of fighting when trying to enforce a tithe order reputedly to the value of 40 shillings..

The conflict had the support of the Roman Catholic clergy and the following quotation, from a letter written by the Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin, Dr. James Doyle to Thomas Spring Rice became the rallying cry for the movement:

"There are many noble traits in the Irish character, mixed with failings which have always raised obstacles to their own well-being; but an innate love of justice, and an indomitable hatred of oppression, is like a gem upon the front of our nation which no darkness can obscure. To this fine quality I trace their hatred of tithes; may it be as lasting as their love of justice!"

Outcome

Finding and collecting livestock chattels and the associated mayhem created public outrage and proved an increasing strain on police relations. The government suspended collections. One official lamented that “it cost a shilling to collect tuppence”.

In 1838, parliament introduced a Tithe Commutation Act for Ireland. This reduced the amount payable directly by about a quarter and made the remainder payable in rent to landlords. They in turn were to pass payment to the authorities. Tithes were thus effectively added to a tenant's rent payment. This partial relief and elimination of the confrontational collections ended the violent aspect of the Tithe War.

Full relief from the tax was not achieved until the Irish Church Act 1869, which disestablished the Church of Ireland, by the Gladstone government.

https://s29.postimg.org/4ezs7i8qf/God_Guessers_c.jpg,
God is denomination agnostic,
furthermore that Ignatius' "ekklesia katholicos" phrase was hijacked for political and personal gains to mean something else.
- note even Ignatius didn't use "church" but rather assembly to imply a universal vertical relationship/fellowship with God
- the "ekklesia katholicos" phrase was first used and found in Chapter 8 of Ignatius' Epistle to the Smyrnaeans

The "ancestry and lineage of the modern day Christian" as we presently know it, is public knowledge

1) Jesus never founded a church.
What is 100% certain, is, He said He will build "ekklesia" (i.e. Matthew 16:18) and not "church"
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, a small rock
and upon the large rock I will build my congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones},
and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against her."
- Matthew 16:18 Jubilee Bible 2000
2) The word "Church", in letter and/or substance, clearly metamorphosed from "ekklesia"
- Someone assisted and aided RCC get the prominence status it claims
- Another someone had strong vested interest and a lot to gain in changing the meaning of "ekklesia" from congregation to "church"
- Someone with accomplice(s) made the transition(s) from "ekklesia" (i.e. called out to assemble) to "church"

mbaemeka: When one becomes born again his Spirit is new but his mind (soul) and body have to be renewed. The mind by the word and the body when Jesus appears, I agree.

But while we wait even while we grow old because of the corruption God promised we could remain healed because of what Jesus' death wrought for us. The Holy Spirit within assures of the promises while we wait for the Immortal body.

As far as our bible is concerned the Spirit is the real man while the body is the house. The new man is not wretched.

Got to go. Cheers.

Thank you for soft pedaling, for stopping your name-calling and for refraining from further using invectives...
You cleaned up your post deliveries and act on your way out
Thank you for stopping by.
- guess it's safe to bring out the china now

mbaemeka: I don't take anything you say personal.
I know you don't agree with some of BabaGnoni's nonsense or shdemidemi's that's why I don't call you all a general name.
As much as possible I try to discuss based on each persons personal beliefs.
But you don't afford me the same courtesy.

My Psalms 82 exegesis is as clear as crystal.
GOD said "Ye are gods and all of you are CHILDREN of the most high".
Jesus said if "God called his children gods simply because they received his words why AM I not more God than they if he gave birth to me and the scriptures cannot be broken?"

Theres nothing to add or remove from there.

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"...But you don't afford me the same courtesy..." my foot LOL
Beware of unsolicited Greek bearing placating word gifts
Quietly just go back where you crawled out from,
and go lick your woundjuries there

mbaemeka: Calm down man, Jesus loves you. The intellectual beatings you are suffering will produce in you a far greater reward in eternity Okay?

Simple comprehension should have helped you in separating ideas and not in conflating all of them into one like you usually do.

I am a member of MENSA if you know what that means.

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Candour: God bless you for this truth. This is the reason I've NEVER joined a thread opened to bash the RCC. Every denomination including those claiming they've never said anything bad about RCC have horrible skeletons in their closets. The only difference is that mankind has become more civilised otherwise, the wars that took place during the Reformation and subsequent years would have been child's play compared to the wars we would have had today. Thank God we now have courts and denominations no longer control government.

When people ask me today which church I attend, I tell them I belong to the body of Christ. When they press and ask where its located, I tell them heaven. I fellowship in any place God directs me but I place more premium on bible study groups and fellowship today. Anywhere 2 or three are gathered in Jesus name, Christ assured he'll be there, I'm sure even if its in a toilet.

I think there's something about starting a new 'church' that turns the founders into monsters in a short time that leaves me in no doubt that new testament Christianity is against denominationalism. God seeks those who will worship him in spirit and in truth and that picture gets clearer when you start digging into the core of any denominational group you find yourself. You will always find rottenness every time.

If my friends on NL decides to open a church, he can be sure I won't attend. If you say a bible study group where we can study, fellowship and challenge our positions on bible doctrine, then count me in.

The tragedy of Pentecostal christianity is the one man and his family show going on where a dictator seats above everyone else like a king who cannot and must not be challenged. The RCC is even better in this respect. At least its not hereditary unlike the case now that G.O dies and wife or son take over like its a kingdom.

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(Church History): Where Did We Come From and Where are We Headed?
https://www.nairaland.com/1856979/e-grace-convention-20-14/2#25506104
https://www.nairaland.com/1856979/e-grace-convention-20-14/2#25506108

nannymcphee: who then was the shakespeare meant for or what was the use?
you were responding to my post, so what was i supposed to think

please provide the link of the evidence trail you left, maybe i missed them

I'm not a member of LFC and i don't listen to his teachings

I'm sure you did comprehension exercises in school, after reading an article or essay and you are asked to state the tone of the writer,
i hope you do know that the tone of the writer is gotten from the general writeup
and not a particular line so you asking for a link is akin to asking for a line in an article that tells the tone of the writer

same thing with determining the thrust of an article, it cannot be deduced from one line but from the feel of the whole writeup,
thats how i came about ur attitude too

BabaGnoni: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/4#24536042

You actually need to be providing verses concerning all you're talking about though now,
no one is going to be doing a guessing game with your "authority" claim
or without evidences be making assumption(s) and/or inferences on your behalf

but if you're referring to taking authority, stepping or trampling on snakes and scorpions etc (i.e. Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18),
well, then you're in for a shocker because those verses are not meant for or addressed to 21st Christians
[size=2pt]shdemidemi this meat is too tough for some to chew, your comments on this is needed desperately here please[/size]
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All you now need do, is read those verses loudly slow
for good measure, you can catch up with Acts 28:3 to have the penny drop
I forgot to add, beforehand, you might want read up on what Greek aorist tenses are all about
as this will help with better understanding the above read verses

and thinking about this now and properly, I presume, the link below is where all this authority objection stemmed from
(i.e. where trustman was right about "...The Apostles too were unique in their own way. They were pioneers. They were foundation layers...'')
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/4#24509810

Three IDs (i.e. nannymcphee, mbaemeka and trustman) were quoted in that post for any reading it, to get a handle on the post(s) trending

Oh no, you didn't miss it at all, up there is the link of the evidence trail, as originally left...
(i.e. the seemingly hidden and minimized text above the red carets you blew up)

That post (i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/4#24536042)
was done out of trying to second guess ihedinobi2 and providing an answer(s) back to his

Image123: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh, nanny slapping the daylights out of baba.
This is suffereth violence keee.
What happen, eeyah i mistakenly unfollowed this thread, i have catching up to do later. nanny easy oh, cool temper,
let's leave the slapping for the young pikins, na Baba be this oh.

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nannymcphee: you just touched a nerve!!
if you never made that statement or if what i asked wasnt true, a simple no would have sufficed
but rather you are posting images and Shakespeare, am i in a literature class?

haven't i made my motive clear enough that i want to learn, i dont know mbaemeka from adam and here you are writing all sought

you keep making reference to the bereans and here i'm asking question and all i get is this

your attitude seems to be akin to the same preachers you bash
ie you fault them cause you say they cant ask them questions but here you are reeking of the same thing

all the questions i have asked where backed with scriptures but your attitude is one of "take what i say or leave it, don't ask me questions"

you still havent answered me on who Jesus was referring to when he said
"these signs shall follow them that believe, in my name they shall lay hands on the sick......"
because you said its not for the 21st century christain.
i'm sure in your mind, its take it or leave

so how are you different from the people you are faulting

if i could see you face to face, i would have given you a piece of my mind arrrrgggghhhhhh

i think you all should close this thread and point everybody to www.deceptioninthechurch.com,[virtually everything has been covered here]
so that we will know where you are getting your info from, rather than all this almighty revelations you seem to be sharing"

your attitude DISGUSTS ME!!! its one of i know better than you and i have come to show you your errors, accept it and don't question me

everyone who doesn't seem to agree with you or your line of thought has missed it in your own judgement

I FEEL LIKE SLAPPING THE DAYLIGHT OUT OF YOU!!!!

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Everyone apart from you, can tell the Shakespeare wasn't for you or about you
so I wouldn't know about been in a literature class

This is not a case of whether the motive is clear enough that you want to learn or not learn
but a case of what you and mbaemeka asked is not within the scope or remit of this thread

Please, is that which mbaemeka dropped in a doctrine of Word Of Faith - The Movement or is it taught by any of its proponents?

Please restrain and keep self under control and within the limits of this thread and topic outlined to be discussed

If would have been appreciated, if it was shown, that what mbaemeka dropped in, was mentioned on this thread
Also to be fair and genuine, correctly quote me and reference with link(s) where on this thread it was said or mentioned

You're playing into mbaemeka's hand and I bet he is relishing with glee, his moment of mission accomplished

Please provide the quote and link about the below allegations you made:
- your attitude is one of "take what i say or leave it, don't ask me questions"
- its one of i know better than you and i have come to show you your errors, accept it and don't question me
- everyone who doesn't seem to agree with you or your line of thought has missed it in your own judgement

About 21st century miracles, I think I sufficiently answered you and also even agreed with you,
that you'll be studying more, like you said and promised you would.
Did I not mentioned that you need to research on Greek aorist to grasp the import of that passage?
If I didn't, then forgive me, as I penciled it down as a follow up to your reply, if any reply was going to be forthcoming.

Unless you're a mind reader or have a crystal ball, it was not a case of "i'm sure in your mind, its take it or leave"
but rather of want to be provocative enough to lead or stir to studying and searching out why

You have by self admission said you need to study more, so, if you want to learn,
then learn from what the thread is dealing with or learn from what is relevant to the thread
and not surrender or yield to mbaemeka's ice-covered ploys
or slippery tactics designed to skewed the thread to his own advantage.
(i.e. stick to F1 - F20 topics promised to discussed)

Anyway, you can see, the 21st century miracles inclusion statement was deliberate
(i.e. you too noticed, I knew it's hard a truth to swallow,
which is why you unearthed and/or exploded the evidence trail I left on that post)

Do you really feel like slapping the daylight out? Is slapping still in vogue?
Ah, I think I know where such slapping once happened and now can guess how this inspiration came up.

nannymcphee: Pls who said the bolded & can I get the link to it?

nannymcphee: BabaGnoni: Eve slept with the Serpent

pls is this really true?
I like to know about this, u know some of us still hold on to what we were taught in Christain religious studies,
it was u guys thst gave me another insight about the Tower of Babel

mbaemeka: BabaGnoni, your weighty tomes on rank Heresies are needed now. Finally some attention.

trustman: Not attention but DISTRACTION by Mbaemeka.
Let's stick more to what this thread is on instead of using underhand tactics to come at opponent.
If you've truly gone through from our F1 to the current F12 truly read the information provided
then you must admit your line of reasoning is very faulty
and you need to repent rather than seek to make more disciples of evil for WoF movement.

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"Let me see some more.

The purpose you undertake is dangerous.
Why, that’s certain.
'Tis dangerous to take a cold, to sleep, to drink;

but I tell you, my lord fool, out of this nettle, danger, we pluck this flower, safety.

The purpose you undertake is dangerous,
the friends you have named uncertain, the time itself unsorted,
and your whole plot too light for the counterpoise of so great an opposition.

Say you so, say you so?
I say unto you again, you are a shallow, cowardly hind, and you lie.
What a lack-brain is this!

By the Lord, our plot is a good plot as ever was laid,
our friends true and constant—a good plot, good friends, and full of expectation;
an excellent plot, very good friends.

What a frosty-spirited rogue is this!"
- Shakespeare's King Henry IV 2.3

Nope, not doing any of the sort, sorry to disappoint

You were warned, earlier on this thread, page 10 to be precise, not to be sucked in by mbaemeka's cunning and deceitful nature:
(i.e. "... I sure and sincerely hope you aren't taking heed of mbaemeka or paying any attention to Image123..."
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/10#25250431)

You were warned because of mbaemeka's "fight tooth and nail" style of posting
This bad habit makes him to disturbingly descend into the gutter for cheap below the belt assaults
Make no mistake, from the onset, his mission and purpose on the thread were to be 100% vindictive and personal
To post that which is irrelevant and unconnected to the thread with Cheshire cat grins added.

Sincerely want to believe you haven't descended that low as mbaemeka in his concerted attempts
(e.g. like him doctoring or falsifying quotes among a bunch of other things)

mbaemeka seems to have a leave of work or something of the sort,
so with this much time to burn, decided to run through the thread like a bull in a china shop

By the way, fabricating a quote which is non existent on this thread and/or nowhere said or found on it
(i.e. no link of the quote is anywhere on this thread)
is tantamount to taking a sly sip of gutter water offered by mbaemeka

mbaemeka is leading you down a road, to begin a journey you aren't equipped for, prepared for, ready or capable to go on.

Do you know why mbaemeka repeatedly calls out your ID?
Well, for starters, he is bad news and not good for your health
He has sensed or figured you will take his juicy and tantalising bait.
The moment, you nibbled on the bait and get hooked,
the next item on his plan, is to reel you in, to play Russian roulette.
He is playing a potentially lethal game with you.
I will advise that you carefully take his "weapon" down from pointing at your head,
safely turn it away from you and gently hand it back to him,
then climb out of the gutter where he's at and stay way clear of him.
Out of danger, we pluck safety.

PS: About "The law of God - Eat of every other Tree bar the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
Refer to Deuteronomy 8:3 and Matthew 4:4 for more details on how a law or command is constituted

mbaemeka: Candour,

Calm down with the lies faa..Joses whose name was changed to Barnabas because of his LARGE SEED became a Pastor and Prophet.

If your IQ is above 100 please explain the statement above

- does it mean his large seed made him a pastor and a prophet?
- or that his name was changed to Barnabas because of his seed?
- or that his name was changed to Barnabas because of his seed and he later became a Pastor and Prophet.

Please, please, read well.

Barnabas means Son of CONSOLATION. He was renowned amongst the early church for that (the bible says exactly so). I explained it well and only one who is dull of hearing or understanding will let the truth fly over him.

^^^
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^^^
Reviling (i.e. cursed the high priest) was exactly what Paul did until he realised that the person in front of him was the high priest/magistrate
(i.e. as god implied judge/magistrate)
Paul, remembered Exodus 22:28 and quoted from it (i.e. as rightly pointed out by Candour)
Although he apologised and made amends for saying "God will strike you" to the high priest,
Josephus, the historian records, that the high priest truly got struck by God just as Paul earlier pronounced the curse in Acts 23:3
- The high priest apparently got assassinated (i.e. suppose principle of causality in action there)

mbaemeka: I have been avoiding to make a long post but I might need to just to show you how uninformed you are of the scriptures.

First things first- (Psalms 82) God said ye are gods and all of you are children of the most high vv6. But you have judged unjustly and accepted the ideas of wicked men vv1. You have not defended the poor and needy; you have not helped the afflicted vv3 and 4. because you don't know anything neither will you take your time to understand instead you walk on in darkness vv5. That's why Candour and his people die like mere men and fall like one of the princes vv7.

Jesus said I and My Father are one and it offended the Jews because they knew the essence of that statement- (John 10)He was sayinFg he was God vv33. and they understood that declaration to be blasphemous so they sought to stone him vv33a. Then Jesus quoted the Psalms 82 to them showing that God himself had at one time called his people gods simply because they received his word vv35 and the scriptures can not be broken; so why will it now be blasphemous for him who God sent to also make a similar claim vv36.

Then Candour and his ignorant ilk sought to kill him.

I am not Elohim- the creator God. I am not god over God. I am god over the world and it's system. I am god over sickness, disease, poverty, ruin, lack, ignorance etc. by the authority that God gave me. Do you want to know why this truth is above your ability to comprehend?

Show us where I said "I would have given up on Christianity a long time ago if I was suffering" or remain a compulsive liar forever. Why am I surprised? You told blatant lies about a well-respected MOG on this thread why should we put that penchant away from you as regards me?

For what it's worth you are still a nonentity- an ignorant one at that. BTW that book of James 4 you quoted had this to say in vv11- Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law interestingly he spoke about Proud people who refuse to humble themselves before God or his word vv10(for they are the same). So we can deduce that the proud "brethren" in vv10 ends up speaking evil of another brethren vv11. That same egocentric brethren is the one who boasts that they made it in life without God's help seeing that making it in life is available to every Joe.

It is that brethren's life that will vanish away vv14.

The body is not the real man- the Spirit is. I am sure all your nomadic travels across many churches didn't give you the chance to learn that.
[size=16pt]So Oral Roberts et al are not rotting in the grave: they are in heaven with Jesus[/size].

BTW "If the Spirit of God that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you. . . he will also vitalize; quicken; reinvigorate your MORTAL BODY" Romans 8:11. Learn to believe the scriptures and leave men and women of God who have achieved way more than you could ever given 10 lifetimes each of 100 years.

Chief Ignoramus, would you need another bible study class?

All the apostles and disciples brought all they had so that the needs of the members will be met and nobody lacked anything. (Acts 4:33/34/35). Then the Holy Spirit saw it fit to instruct Luke to give Joses a special mention by telling us he did same (vv 37) and the Holy Spirit never gives pleonastic information.

That same Joses became popular amongst the apostles because he had a name, Barnabas which means Son of Consolation vv36. They called him so because he was always known to be responsive and cheerful when a need arose in the church. Now this same Barnabas was described in Acts 11 as a good man; full of the spirit and of faith. It shows us that it takes the Spirit, Faith and good intentions for someone to bring his money to church so that needs can be met. Any average Candour cannot do it.

Later on when the disciples were raising funds to help the brethren in Judea following a famine the elders of the church agreed that Paul and Barnabas should be trusted with the responsibility- behold any man who can give his own money can be trusted with the monies of others.

This same Barnabas was later referred to as a Prophet and a Teacher Acts 13:1 and later an Apostle when he was sent with Paul to preach in Gentile regions etc. Hence, why I said you cannot separate the grace that abounds to a giver from the role he would play in the House of God. Your friend, that was sacked as a worker in his church was rightfully treated. If he cannot give in church, he should not be in a leadership position. Period. _{He will steal people's money and use it for his blog}

Some of The MOGs you insult are the biggest givers in their ministries. They lead well and as such they will be followed likewise.
All rebels will make noise for a while and then vanish away!

Oh, so we don't have up to 12 MOG in Nigeria? You think the things going on are as a result of so? You have a lot to learn about the things of God. Please meditate on this verse of scripture:

Proverbs 11:11King James Version (KJV)
11 By the blessing of the upright the city is exalted: but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked.

Nigeria is being restrained by the mouth's of wicked and unreasonable men who; speak evil of Dignitaries; of the country; of the citizens etc. These words do more harm than the weapons of Boko Haramists or the Ebola virus. That's why I laugh when Ignoramuses say the words we speak don't matter. Our words matter- use it to bless and lift people. Administer grace to your hearers and leave lies to the father of it- the Devil!

It is only wise to say at this juncture, that it would have been worse save for the prayers of intercession by these MOG and I am one of them glorrrrry!

A greedy man is satisfied with self. I am satisfied only when others have it too. You on the otherhand are a self-professed. . .

There are different types of giving and for different purposes. Stop conflating all of them. The person who still gives to the Pastor, gives to the church, gives to the needy etc. and still meets his personal needs. You who gives to the needy alone (We wish) will only remain at that level. Grace abounds to a giver and he would always have all sufficiency to meet other needs not just his personal ones.

You attend a church that has a generator (I presume) have you asked how it is fueled? No, you would rather criticize and insult those that do- because the grace of God over their lives hurts the demons that advice you.

BTW If I start to announce the help that the church has ministered to people you would think we are running for government and the same lot will say they are boasting.

The same spirit that spoke to Jannes and Jambres, to Miriam, to Hemogenes etc. Yes, definitely that spirit speaks to you and it is so easy for you to concede to his whims. If you spend time in prayerful intersession for the saints it would be very difficult to open the same mouth and rain abuses on those who you have already prayed for.

I pray this wisdom isn't above you too much even as I commend you to the word, who Judges rightly. We would all give accounts.

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First thought:"Wonder where he and Oral are."

Second thought: "Wonder if he and Oral are surprised they got there"

For there was no one needy among them,
because those who were owners of land or houses were selling them
and bringing the proceeds from the sales
- Acts 4:34 NET Bible

Whoever oppresses the poor for his own increase
and whoever gives to the rich, both come to poverty.
- Proverbs 22:16 World English Bible

Image123: Gnoni, with all that story and eisegesis, do note that Elijah wanted to die two chapters after 1kings 17 not before.

With hindsight, "Elijah wanted to die" should never have gone into that post,
nevertheless the post is still watertight with "Elijah wanted to die" removed
and takes nothing away from the post nor diminishes the Elijah defence message therein.

"Our object should not be to have scripture on our side but to be on the side of scripture;
and however dear any sentiment may have become by being long entertained,
so soon as it is seen to be contrary to the Bible, we must be prepared to abandon it without hesitation."
- William Symington
Scottish engineer, inventor and the builder of the first practical steamboat

Ymodulus: Thanks you welcome. if i might ask why were you so interedted in the codes?

The OOP syntax used in it.

therealMcCain: Looking at it from a physical view with no spiritual undertone, it was wicked for Elijah to have made such request.

1kings17:12
12 And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.

Here was a woman who said she didn't have enough food, she even said she & her son will eat it and die,
meaning she didn't have anything to eat after that meal

But the prophet still requested for a piece of that meal, that wasn't enough.

Pls isn't that selfishness & wickedness(coming from a physical stand point)

If this were to happen in present day, all the media will go agog & give that pastor unprintable names

But there was a spiritual undertone to it & thank God the woman act accordingly(she had physical reason not to obey)

So based on this story, who was supposed to give to who

The prophet to the woman or the woman to the prophet??

God is FAITHFUL, always is, and God WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS.

Elijah earlier had begged God to let him die but God averted it
now here is a woman in Zarephath about getting ready to eat a last meal and die.

Who best to send, if not Elijah, as apart from being a MOG, Elijah can relate with the woman, can relate with her situation and circumstances
Elijah, like the woman, had gone through famine and hunger but he was fed by God
Elijah, like the woman, was prepared and ready to die if not for God's mercy which spared him from death

This woman must have earlier sought God's face and this is why God stepped in for the rescue

Now, God, here, is about to do the miraculous in the woman's life,
The bible in verse 9 records God saying He had instructed the woman to supply Elijah with food and commanding Elijah to set off to Zarephath.

“Go at once to Zarephath in the region of Sidon and stay there.
I have directed a widow there to supply you with food.”
- 1 Kings 17:9

Elijah did not head to Zarephath out of whim, he had no wicked or evil intention.
He did not go over there on his own accord, he had no ulterior motive
He was commanded by God, to go there, and this was for God to wrought out two miracles in the woman's life.

It must be noted that, Elijah did not ask the woman for something God did not earlier direct the woman to hand over
God directed the woman to supply Elijah with food, and so that was what Elijah asked for when he arrived and met with the woman.
- He asked according to the directive (i.e. he wasn't playing mind games nor psychology with the woman)
- Elijah must have watched the woman or studied her because at some stage, he reassured her, by telling the woman not to be afraid,
this expressed empathy from Elijah, surely put the woman at peace and ease.
- Another thing to note is that the woman had doubted Elijah from the moment she set eyes on him, even lied which is why she first said:
"I don’t have any bread" when Elijah asked her for "a piece of bread." (i.e. 1 Kings 17:11-12)
- Elijah did not hold it against her though
- Elijah knew he can deliver unlike the present with their white suits and form of godliness but lacking the power thereof
- All through out; before, during and after the miracles, the woman still wasn't convinced about Elijah's authenticity
(i.e. it is interesting to know that performing miracles, doesn't guarantee people truly believing one is a MOG)
- It wasn't until after receiving the second miracle, did she open up and confessed her all along doubts about Elijah (i.e. 1 Kings 17:24)

Anyway notice after miracle #1,
there was food EVERY DAY, not just for the woman but for her, her family and for Elijah, EVERYDAY.
- Elijah's upgraded from eating bit and bobs handed over by ravens to having home cooked meals and a warm bed not a damp and cold cave
(i.e. perfect isn't it, it can't get any better than that)
- Here, God gives a solution; kills two birds with one stone, sorts out the woman's and Elijah's feeding problem
- It was a win-win solution and they all lived happily ever after
- It was not one-sided at all, as usually is the case with many of today's we-know-whos

Ymodulus: ok. i had to fire up my server, text editor and browser and i had to test the code this time. see
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<?php

Class Ymodulus
{

/**
* This properties is meant to hold a list of new comers
*/
public $newComers;

/**
* This method is meant to determine if a student is in the list of newcomers
*@Param string $newComer | i casted the variable to always return a string.
*@return boolean. true|false. true if name is in list of newComers and false if its not.
*/
public function welcomes( $newComer)
{
# here i am checking for the user inputed name in the array. Note am using the short form of if / else statement.
return (in_array($newComer, $this->newComers)) ? true : false;
}

}

//Usage

$ymodulus = new Ymodulus();
$ymodulus->newComers =['MizMyColi', 'other New Bie'];
$result = $ymodulus->welcomes('MizMyColi');

echo ($result === true ) ? 'MizMyColi Ymodulus welcomes you too the world of php': 'sorry not yet welcomed by ymodulus';

[size=14pt]# Now this is bug free and it works. i tested it myself[/size]

https://s28.postimg.org/93nl1r6a5/yphp3.jpg

Sweet success! Yep it is now. Ran it myself and as seen above, it worked like a charm (i.e. the $ymodulus handle on line 30 did it)
Thanks Ymodulus. You the man! Cheers https://s28.postimg.org/ahu3rbj09/thumbsup_Wink.gif

mbaemeka: Beware of Dogs! For they are not outside the church but inside.

trustman: What are the characteristics of dogs?
Who best exemplify such today?
Do the WoF proponents best fit into these?

^^^
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[size=2pt]peekaboo I just spotted with my little eyes joagbaje LOL irresistibly peeking at the thread :-)[/size]

Ymodulus: Its correct.

Its called short array syntax. Php were trying to copy Python way of dictionaries.

http://php.net/manual/en/migration54.new-features.php

You understand now??

<?php

Class Ymodulus
{

/**
* This properties is meant to hold a list of new comers
*/
public $newComers;

/**
* This method is meant to determine if a student is in the list of newcomers
*@Param string $newComer | i casted the variable to always return a string.
*@return boolean. true|false. true if name is in list of newComers and false if its not.
*/
public function welcomes(string $newComer)
{
# here i am checking for the user inputed name in the array. Note am using the short form of if / else statement.
return (in_array($newComers, $this->newComer)) ? true : false;
}

}

//Usage

$ymodulus = new Ymodulus();
$ymodulus->newComers =['MizMyColi', 'other New Bie'];
$result = Ymodulus->welcomes('MizMyColi');

echo ($result === true ) ? 'MizMyColi Ymodulus welcomes you too the world of php': 'sorry not yet welcomed by ymodulus';

https://s28.postimg.org/o5i9rev6l/yphp2.jpg

Ymodulus thanks again but still no joy yet...

Yep, I did notice the short form if/else conditional statement
however as seen from the above screenshot capture,
whether it's PHP 5.4 or 5.5, it is still failing with the above error message
- when 5.4 is used, a different error message to when 5.5 is displayed

OLAADEGBU: What is a synagogue?
Why are synagogues important for both Jews and Christians?

http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-a-synagogue.html

OLAADEGBU: Why are synagogues important for Christians if they are important at all?

In the New Testament, we are used to knowing synagogue also to be an equivalent name of the building used for assembling in or congregating in, but the Greek word "sunagogé" means "coming together" and could imply a meeting (i.e. gathering together) rather than a building (i.e. Acts 13:43, James 2:2); so synagogues were simply gatherings that took place outdoors or in people’s houses or courtyards (i.e. refer to 2 Thessalonians 2:1 or Hebrews 10:25 Greek Text Analysis for more details)
- TB Joshua’s set-up, calls itself synagogue, but then for good measure, appends the word "church", making it: The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (i.e. SCOAN)

And *I* also, I say unto thee that *thou* art Peter,
and on this rock I will build my assembly,
and hades' gates shall not prevail against it.
- Matthew 16:18 Darby Bible Translation

“Also I say to you, that you are Kaypha,
and upon this stone I shall build my church,
and the gates of Sheol will not withstand it.”
- Matthew 16:18 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

And I also say to you that you are Peter,
and on this rock I will build My church,
and the forces of Hades will not overpower it.
- Matthew 16:18 Holman Christian Standard Bible

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, a small rock
and upon the large rock I will build my congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones},
and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against her.
- Matthew 16:18 Jubilee Bible 2000

In the beginning, God set out an outpost of His Kingdom in Eden. He then created man and gave man power and control of the earth and all its inhabitants. He also gave man the right to make decisions from the outpost, then God brought Eve, for many reasons, but fundamentally for the institution of marriage, out from Adam.
Why, what for, where to from then on?

What was God's original pet idea for the first family and their offspring? Dominion - sovereignty and/or governance of territory
Has this changed? Has God changed? Has this changed, with God, in Christ?
No, and it's because of Luke 9:35 or Mark 9:7 and John 12:44 that one says no.

³ Blessed is he that reads and those that hear the words of this prophecy
and keep those things which are written therein, for the time is at hand.
⁴ John, to the seven congregations {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} which are in Asia:
Grace be unto you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come
and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne
⁵ and from Jesus, the Christ, who is the faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead
and the prince of the kings of the earth.
Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins with his own blood
⁶ and has made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
- Revelation 1:3-4 Jubilee Bible 2000

and that the kingdom and the dominion,
and the majesty of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
be given to the holy people of the most High,
His kingdom shall be an eternal kingdom,
and all the dominions shall serve him and hear him
- Daniel 7:27 Jubilee Bible 2000

"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood,
a holy nation, a people for God's own possession,
that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;"
- 1 Peter 2:9

and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom,
- Luke 22:29 ESV

The first time ekklesia was ever mentioned in the NT was in Matthew 16:19 and uttered by Jesus.
It was the first time out of the three times Jesus used the word (i.e. once in Matthew 16:19 and twice in Matthew 18:17)
No other place did Jesus use the word and no one else, except for Matthew recorded Jesus, using it the word.

Jesus could have easily used any other word for a gathering or assembly of called out people mentioned in Matthew 16:19
He could easily have used the above earlier discussed familiar word synagogue (i.e. as synagogue too means "coming together'' or "gathering together'')
Why didn't He? Maybe because synagogue didn't convey/carry the complete import or essence of His plan, vision or intention for believers as much/well as “ekklesia” does
We need to be accustomed with ekklesia in order to understand why Jesus chose and used the word
So what again is ekklesia?. What is special about ekklesia? The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Ekklesia unlike synagogue, has a potent, deep, relevant, purposeful and meaningfulness about it
It encapsulates and expresses the framework of what the "calling out" is about

³⁵The Jews said to one another,
“Where does this man intend to go that we cannot find him?
Will he go where our people live scattered among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks?
³⁶What did he mean when he said,
‘You will look for me, but you will not find me,’ and ‘Where I am, you cannot come’?”
- John 7:35-36 NIV

²⁰Some Greeks who had come to Jerusalem for the Passover celebration
²¹paid a visit to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee. They said, “Sir, we want to meet Jesus.”
²²Philip told Andrew about it, and they went together to ask Jesus.
- John 12:20-22 NLT

Remember the Jews in John 7:35-36 and events in John 12:20-22 when the Greeks came to visit Jesus.
Well Israel was under Roman Rule, and Greek was in vogue then, hence the inevitable exposure to Greek language, culture, civilisation and governance style.

The Romans adopted the word ekklesia from the Greeks, and used ekklesia to refer to the summoning of people out to hear the messenger from Rome who had just blown his trumpet and "called people out" to hear the latest edicts from the emperor.

In classical Greek however, ekklesia originally means a political assembly in the ancient Greek states, at which all free citizens are summoned/invited to the town council
- summoned like called to serve in a jury service. The gathered citizens listen to, discuss, and vote on decrees that affected every aspect of their community whether public or private (e.g. from finance - religious ones - public festivals - war - treaties with foreign powers - regulations governing ferry boats) take part in the election of archons (chief magistrates) and confer special privileges on individuals.

"Ekklesia" is a lawful assembly of people in a free Greek city summoned for the transaction of civil matters/affairs
- summoned, like when called, to serve in a jury service.

Most bible translations have deliberately misinterpreted the Greek word ekklesia as “church”, when in actual fact; ekklesia has nothing to do with the word “church”!
Remember Acts 19:32, 39 and 41 above, where "ekklesia" is a town council: it was a civil body in Ephesus, and correctly translated so. There translators were forced to abandon their fakery "church" is "ekklesia" translation in those three verse and reluctantly settled for assembly. Nonetheless, they kept up the pretence, 112 other times, where "ekklesia" was changed to "church" instead of assembly.
- It's similar to today's pretense where agricultural tithe is "money"

Anyway, it's important to recognise that Jesus didn't die to create "church", denominations (i.e. 1 Corinthians 1:12, 31 and 1 Corinthians 3:21), "pastor" - pastor doesn’t occur at all in the NT (i.e. 1 Corinthians 12:28) but He died to build a body of believers, called out of the world system (e.g. Sanhedrin Council et al etc) to come together into a separate civil & community council.

When Jesus used this politically loaded word (i.e. ekklésia), was He giving descriptional hints about His people and their meetings?

Yes! Jesus was; He is indicating that His ekklesia is PATTERNED AFTER and intended to FOLLOW/FUNCTION same manner the BORROWED Greek ekklesia did.

Ekklesia has more importance than synagogue

therealMcCain: My question is:
the Christian who decides to act on the above scriptures not becos of Gods love
but becos he doesn't want the bad things spoken in them to happen to him,
will he get the promises/blessings attached to this scriptures

Note:
1.no other conditions were attached, so if you do this, you get this or this will happen
2.the proverbs & psalms scriptures covers both believers & unbelievers

pls I know the motive for a Christian to give ought to be out of love & nothing else
but should a Christian give based on the promises/outcome of the above scriptures, will he/she get what was promised??

https://s21.postimg.org/3zpucrjtz/prosperty_gospel.jpg

There is more than meet the eyes, as scriptures are not that easy, as we think, given to manipulation, so that Christians or whoever, can get the promises/blessings attached to them.

Scriptures essentially, are objects which operate in either public, protected or private capacities.
The efficacy of scripture and the actualisation of a verbalism of it depends on:

- the state of mind (e.g. done not because of Gods love etc) and position
- how/where in particular such scripture is accessed (e.g. is it public, protected or private, and where in relation to it, is the Christian calling it)
- depends on what is written to happen in the called scripture's function (i.e. do this, if a certain condition is met, else, do here, if condition isn't met)

So simply replied, might get some promises/blessings, might not get some promises/blessings and might not get any at all.

It should be based on the former (i.e. ought to be out of love) and with duty, added by me

The love you referred to, actually is not any of the other love we're accustomed to or familiar with
(e.g. not eros - physical/emotional/romance/sexual love, not phileo - friendship love and not storge - family/brotherly love)
but it is the AGAPE love, which is an unconditional love with a "spiritual" connotation attached
(i.e. meaning without any of the "do this, if a certain condition is met, else, do here, if condition isn't met" attached to it)

The love chapter (i.e. 1 Corinthians 13:1-13) has detailed information on Agape love

Three things will last forever, namely faith, hope, and love
- and the greatest of these is love (i.e. Agape love)

@Ymodulus, I give up, this is how I edited it:

<?php

// one of my edited earlier versions

class Wannabephp {
/*** define public properties ***/

/*** the newcomer of Wannabephp ***/
public $newcomer;

/*** define public methods ***/
/*** method to find if newcomer to Wannabephp is welcomed or not ***/
public function find_newcomer($who_newcomer) {
$this->newcomer = $who_newcomer;
$check_newcomer = array('MizMyColi','other New Bie');
return (in_array( $who_newcomer,$check_newcomer)) ? true : false;

}

}
//usage
$wannabephp = new Wannabephp ();
$wannabephp-> newcomer = 'MizMyColi';
$wannabephp-> check_newcomer = array('MizMyColi', 'other New Bie');
$result = $wannabephp->find_newcomer('MizMyColi');
if($result === true ){

echo 'MizMyColi, Ymodulus welcomes you too the world of php';
}else{
echo ' sorry not yet welcomed by ymodulus';
}
?>

and here's a second or another another edited version which outputs as above (i.e. MizMyColi, Ymodulus welcomes you too the world of php )
but with the below tagging along:

NOTICE Undefined variable: other_newcomer on line number 13



<?php
/*** define class ***/
class Wannabephp {

/*** define public properties ***/

/*** the newcomer to Wannabephp ***/
public $newcomer;

/*** define public methods ***/
/*** method to find if newcomer to Wannabephp is welcomed or not ***/
public function find_newcomer($who_newcomer){
//$this->newcomer = $who_newcomer;
$check_newcomer = array($who_newcomer, $other_newcomer);
return (in_array( $who_newcomer,$check_newcomer)) ? true : false;

/*** not sure above line's needed, as in this line $this->newcomer = $who_newcomer;
Works though, still stored in memory
Works though when not commented, as will be stored in memory
Sorry it's a bit messy LOL**/
}

}
//usage
$wannabephp = new Wannabephp();
// $wannabephp-> newcomer = 'MizMyColi';
//$wannabephp-> check_newcomer = array('MizMyColi', 'other newbie');
$result = $wannabephp->find_newcomer('MizMyColi');
if($result === true ){

echo 'MizMyColi, Ymodulus welcomes you too the world of php';
}else{
echo ' Sorry not yet welcomed by Ymodulus';
}

?>

Comment(s) and/or correction(s) welcome

Ymodulus: REPLIED YOU


I Have corrected it and made the code smaller however i didnt test run it. but i believe this should work now


<?php

Class Ymodulus
{

public $newComers;

public function welcomes(string $newComer)
{
return (in_array($newComers, $this->newComer) ? true : false;
}

}


//Usage

$ymodulus = new Ymodulus();
$ymodulus->newComers = ['MizMyColi', 'other New Bie'];
$result = Ymodulus->welcomes('MizMyColi');


echo ($result === true ) ? 'MizMyColi Ymodulus welcomes you too the
world of php': 'sorry not yet welcomed by ymodulus';

https://s29.postimg.org/sanirx4xj/Yphp.jpg

Ymodulus, thanks but the edit is still failing as seen above and the following below
(i.e. FATAL ERROR syntax error, unexpected '[' on line number 7 )

The original one (i.e. the first one done) was failing with a different error
(i.e. FATAL ERROR syntax error, unexpected ';' on line number 9)

Maybe after going over it again,
it'll be great, if you can comment what you're doing, as it seems you've used a class, public static function, maybe a constant, also seems an array etc and what the expected output should be

PS: The corrected last one too (i.e. the below one) fails with:
FATAL ERROR syntax error, unexpected ';' on line number 9

<?php
Class Ymodulus
{

public $newComers;

public function welcomes(string $newComer)
{
return (in_array($newComers, $this->newComer) ? true : false;
}

}


//Usage

$ymodulus = new Ymodulus();
$ymodulus->newComers = ['MizMyColi', 'other New Bie'];
$result = Ymodulus->welcomes('MizMyColi');


echo ($result === true ) ? 'MizMyColi Ymodulus welcomes you too the
world of php': 'sorry not yet welcomed by ymodulus';
?>

Ymodulus: your phone no please. or can you check my profile and get mine??

Please check your gmail addy Ymodulus. Thanks!

@Ymodulus
- Thanks! https://s27.postimg.org/wlv2woi33/thumb_Up.gif

Candour: It makes no difference what you chose to believe. My position or yours won't change the reality on ground and surely won't stop all LFC ministers from asking, soliciting and cajoling members to sow seeds next Sunday service.

See the continuation of the scripture I quoted earlier

1 Timothy 6:9-11 KJV
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. [10] For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. [11] But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

Hope this enables you make sense of it now?

and also my addition:
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after keeping self under control and restrain from slapping uninformed young girl(s)

Ymodulus: Hahahaha, welcome!!!!
lets watch and see. php is fun. beside welcome to the world of webdevelopment.


<?php

Class Ymodulus
{

public function $newComers = [];

public function welcomes(string $newComer)
{
return (in_array($newComer, $newComers) ? true : false;
}

}


//Usage

$ymodulus = new Ymodulus();
$ymodulus->newComers = ['MizMyColi', 'other New Bie'];
$result = Ymodulus->welcomes('MizMyColi');

if($result === true ){

echo 'MizMyColi Ymodulus welcomes you too the world of php';
}else{
echo ' sorry not yet welcomed by ymodulus';
}

@Ymodulus, Hi, drop me a line at the below addy please
- addy deleted -

I want to say a big thank you to Abba God first, for His grace, faithfulness, favour, blessings etc
then to my fellow brethren and sister in arms
in no specific order, namely Anony1, Yooguyz, trutsman, Alwaystrue, Ihedinobi2, PastorOluT, Striktlymi and the last but not the least MarkMiwerds
for the association and privilege of participating in this year's convention.
Extra thanks goes to MrAnony1, Alwaystrue and MarkMiwerds for accommodating and withstanding my grilling.
Lasting I once again thank FortresOfChrist(f), MrAnony1(m), trustman, flourishG(m) and PastorKun(m) for their votes and nominating me to participate.
LOL and how can I forget my two Goshen360 and DrummaBoy brothers from another mothers
thank you for taking the leap of faith and making the Grace Convention 2014 happen
This is me signing out
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DrummaBoy: Ehhnn..., BabaGnoni

In the Law courts, the judge at some point will ask the prosecuting or defendant's lawyer "Where exactly are these questions leading to...?"

I am not sure whether my job as a moderator still subsist at this point on the thread.

But do you mind answering that question, assuming my duty as moderator, a kind of judge, is still standing on the thread.

Your honor, I just want to know the truth,
Before the curtains are drawn on the convention, this is an opportunity worth not missing your honour