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 Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Speak To You? How? by BabaGnoni: 8:28am On Aug 13, 2014 |
malvisguy212: enlightensoul, tgirl4real and weah96.malvisguy212, we all take milk from other cows and then churn our own butter out of them but when so much milk is taken from one place and/or just one cow, then courtesy demands that the butter churned out should've appropriately be credited to the cow's milk it was made from All was going well, until eisegesis was done on John 11 and the attempt made to reel in Lazarus into the "two thousand years [or two days]" You might not be able to explain this as it was originally Mr. Clayton G's write up but can you try and throw more light on the following verses: 2(This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) 3So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love is sick.” 6So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days, 7and then he said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.” 8“But Rabbi,” they said, “a short while ago the Jews there tried to stone you, and yet you are going back?” 9Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light. 10It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.” 11After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.” 12His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” 13Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep. 14So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead 17On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. - John 11: 2-3, 6-14 and 17 NIV It was the two days in your post that caught my eyes, so noting the bold highlights, for the benefit of readers, learning, throw some light on the seemingly contradiction or inconsistency of Lazarus' death - When? Was it two days or four days? - Explain the discrepancy in the "two days" and "four days" time of death To assist in your exegesis, I have provided the following bullet points: • Lazarus' sisters sent out message to Jesus • Jesus got message, then told His disciples that Lazarus was sleeping (i.e. he was dead), He then stayed two days before heading to Lazarus's sisters' • Jesus on getting to Lazarus' sisters, got to know that Lazarus was dead four days. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 11:47pm On Aug 12, 2014*. Modified: 8:30am On Aug 14, 2014 |
[size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F11: Staged leg lengthening healing[/size] Does miracles still happen today? Does healing still happen today? Of course, they both happen, they happen every seconds of the time, the only concern or reservation is that for every genuine miracle or healing, there are ten to the dozen fakes, counterfeits or staged versions for each. https://s27.postimg.org/cjdesfkvn/leg_lengtheningjpg.jpg Staged leg lengthening healing is not a doctrine as such but was a phenomenon until a few years back Leg lengthening healing otherwise known as "growing legs" was common as far back in the mid 70s It basically is lengthening of shortened legs In the past, the mid 70s to be precise, a few WoF heavy weights were doing and performing leg lengthening healing, then in 2011, Derren Brown decided to infiltrate and expose fake pastors staging leg lengthening healing, the trail on leg lengthening healing since then has gone cold after ousting American televangelist Pastor W. V. Grant Grant unaware of Derren Brown's identity, actually performed the leg lengthening healing on Derren Brown who himself had no length-wise leg handicap whatsoever. The recorded TV program showed, Pastor Grant using the same shoe-manipulation technique that Brown had earlier shown viewers on the "Miracles for Sale" TV program how the fake healing is done. People did not know before the "Miracles for Sale" TV program was aired back then, that some of these "growing legs" healing or miracles actually weren't genuine. - this particular one featured in the program was bogus and nothing but a sleight, lots of the unsuspecting, Christians and church leaders included were taken in by it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVOBZefESIA Rev Kenneth E Hagin Teaching Seminar December 8th 1974 Lengthening of legs Staged leg lengthening healing was usually done by complicit ministries to fraudulently have healing credibility badges and make the public believe they have an authentic healing ministry - the jury is still out, undecided whether the above video clip is a staged or genuine leg lengthening healing. Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for it will not come unless the rebellion takes place first and the man of sin, who is destined for destruction, is revealed. - 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ISV But Jesus replied, "Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah. - Matthew 12:39 NLT False messiahs and false prophets will appear. They will work miraculous signs and do wonderful things to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen. - Mark 13:22 GOD'S WORD® Translation [size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F11: Staged leg lengthening healing[/size] I REST MY CASE ON F11 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If Adam And Eve Were The First Humans,this Would Happen by BabaGnoni: 12:38am On Aug 11, 2014*. Modified: 12:54am On Aug 11, 2014 |
Dapo777: Thanks for your time.No probs. Different dispersed zones will have favorable conditions or conducive environments under which the LATENT different physical features and characteristics etc will start emerging from the DNA pool, in order to make or allow the people to re-adapt and/or adjust to the friendly or hostile new host or surroundings they've found to live on. - This counteracts any harsh or unfavorable realities confronted on ground |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If Adam And Eve Were The First Humans,this Would Happen by BabaGnoni: 12:28am On Aug 11, 2014 |
davien: Baba gnoni I offer you this conundrum,answersingenesis admits of beneficial mutations along with disadvantageous mutations but only along the confines of micro-evolution to which they believe is different from macro-evolution....It is all down to the algorithm of the DNA (i.e. does conditional statements ring a bell with you?) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Sacrifice... Better Than Obedience? by BabaGnoni: 9:41pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: While MarkMiwerds might be right in regards to who was actually failing to bring the tithes to the storehouse, I think such technicalities should be reserved for theologians. Truth is that I have never been able to understand why it is the Levite's or the priests that were failing in duty. I feel that understanding the Malachi 3 scripture as the whole nation of Israel failing to bring tithes to the storehouse is sufficient for the ordinary man to understand. This does not remove from the fact that Malach 3:8-12 is a message to the Jewish church not the Christian Church.@DrummaBoy 6I was not in Jerusalem at that time, for I had returned to King Artaxerxes of Babylon in the thirty-second year of his reign, though I later asked his permission to return. 7When I arrived back in Jerusalem, I learned about Eliashib’s evil deed in providing Tobiah with a room in the courtyards of the Temple of God. 8I became very upset and threw all of Tobiah’s belongings out of the room. 9Then I demanded that the rooms be purified, and I brought back the articles for God’s Temple, the grain offerings, and the frankincense. 10I also discovered that the Levites had not been given their prescribed portions of food, so they and the singers who were to conduct the worship services had all returned to work their fields. 11I immediately confronted the leaders and demanded, “Why has the Temple of God been neglected?” Then I called all the Levites back again and restored them to their proper duties. 12And once more all the people of Judah began bringing their tithes of grain, new wine, and olive oil to the Temple storerooms - Nehemiah 13:6-12 NLT MarkMiwerds is right because it can be seen in Nehemiah 13:6-12 that the whole tithe withholding scandal started from someone's abandonment of duty (i.e. Eliashib) Nehemiah in verse 10, discovered that the Levites weren't given their prescribed portions of food, leaving them to sort of fend for themselves. At verse 11 , Nehemiah (i.e. the governor) queried this and recalled the Levites back to their posts, then at verse 12, the people formerly withholding their tithes began bringing them back (i.e. after sanity or confidence was restored to the system) The tithe impasse was caused by the priest Eliashib and Co, this mushroomed and caused the domino effect that stopped the tithe giving process, the backlash filtered through or cascaded right across the nation (i.e. tithes were not forthcoming as people stopped given it) The issue is that the priest rely on the Levites to bring in the tithes, the Levites rely on the people to bring the tithes, the people are not giving tithes to the Levites because the system has failed and collapsed (i.e. Eliashib and Co were corrupt) It wasnt until Nehemiah brought in reforms that all fears and doubt were allayed. You're right the message was to the Jewish nation and not the Christian Church however we can learn lessons from it albeit not the sort of twisted and distorted teachings given on it by tithe merchants 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If Adam And Eve Were The First Humans,this Would Happen by BabaGnoni: 7:33pm On Aug 10, 2014*. Modified: 3:49am On Aug 25, 2014 |
Dapo777: Inbreeding.https://s27.postimg.org/6ajhpmtlv/c_inbreeding.jpg God knows when it is OK and right to do things and at what point certain practices should be discontinued or stopped God also knows when it is OK and right, to turn a prohibition into a command For example: 1) Mum or Dad; no intimate relations whatsoever with them (i.e. Genesis 2:24) Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh - Genesis 2:24ESV 2) Close family intimate relations not allowed (i.e. Leviticus 18:6) Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother - Leviticus 18:6 NIV 3) Close intermarriage otherwise known as Levirate marriages is allowed (i.e. Deuteronomy 25:5) If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband's brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her. - Deuteronomy 25:5 NIV Concerning: "How come the grandchildren of Adam and Eve survived even down to the 6th generation, I mean, there would be SERIOUS INBREEDING SIDE EFFECTS, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SURVIVE." well the earth was young then also the genetic code was strong then and less liable to any inbreeding side effects. Also it was until the dispersal at Babel that LATENT different physical features and characteristics etc started emerging from the DNA pool I am not going to try to reinvent the wheel and start rabbiting on but will share what I came across few years back on TV about skin tones https://answersingenesis.org/racism/adam-eve-all-skin-tones/ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Sacrifice... Better Than Obedience? by BabaGnoni: 6:45pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: BabaGnoni,MarkMiwerds, those were well worth additions. Well done sir... - Eliashib the priest's association with Tobiah, is bad company corrupts good character (i.e. 1 Corinthians 15:33) and inevitable disaster waiting to happen - Thievery did happen and the trail sure led to Eliashib, which is why Nehemiah sacked Eliashib and in Nehemiah 13:13 replaced him with Shelemiah - Lastly, I think your additions also sits well with the below (i.e. the original "Levithical priesthood" - Priests and Levites) Who were the Priests and Levites? - All priests were Levites but not all Levites were priests - The priests originally were Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar (Refer to Exodus 28:1 and Numbers 3:2-4 for details) - The Levites are the descendants of Levi, who had 3 sons, namely Gershon, Kohath and Merari https://s17.postimg.org/ubvmg84nz/Temple_Nlevites.jpg - For the service and work of God, the Levites were organized into 3 levels of service based on the Levi family tree (Refer to Numbers 3:6-10) - The first level of service formed the priesthood, was composed of Aaron and his offspring (Refer to Numbers 3:10 for details) - Aaron and his sons were descendants of Levi's son, Kohath (i.e. Aaron's his first sons, Nadab and Abihu were consumed by fire, the other two were Eleazar and Ithamar) - The second level is formed for those to be in charge of the most sacred parts of the Tabernacle They are the remaining descendants of Kohath who were not descendants of Aaron (Refer to: Numbers 3:27-32, 4:4-15, 7:9 for details) - The third level is formed for the lesser duties of service it comprised of all of the descendants of Gershon and Merari (Refer to: Numbers 3:18,20-26,33-37 for details) 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Sacrifice... Better Than Obedience? by BabaGnoni: 5:48pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: BabaGnoni,@MarkMiwerds Very interesting, and I think you could be right, as I've just gone to check (i.e. gone over the various reforms etc done by Nehemiah) The indictments I found were that, Eliashib sublet the storeroom to Tobiah (i.e. this apart from the grave no-no of giving an Ammonite, an enemy residence within the temple precincts) hence this means tithes were no longer kept or stored in it and then one of Eliashib grandsons had married a daughter of Sanballat the Horonite (i.e. mix-marriage or intermarried by getting a foreign wife) If Eliashib and his grandson could flout God's directive(s) so cheaply as they did (i.e. compromise), it seems questionable character must run in the family of Eliashib then. Going through Nehemiah 12:44 and 47, Nehemiah 13:4-13 and Malachi 3:10, it does seem there is a likelihood of a collusion, there was a collapse of the system and degree of distrust of the priests etc went on I can see that the whole nation tithe avoidance mushroomed from Eliashib and Co's derelictions of duties, after which the Israelites stopped giving tithes because they could see that the Levites and priests weren't duly using it as expected, since the Israelite have started withholding giving the tithes, this then likely lead to them using their own discretion with the tithes leading to God's accusation in Malachi 3:10 that tithe weren't given. Provisions for Temple Worship 44On that day men were appointed to be in charge of the storerooms for the offerings, the first part of the harvest, and the tithes. They were responsible to collect from the fields outside the towns the portions required by the Law for the priests and Levites. For all the people of Judah took joy in the priests and Levites and their work. 47So now, in the days of Zerubbabel and of Nehemiah, all Israel brought a daily supply of food for the singers, the gatekeepers, and the Levites. The Levites, in turn, gave a portion of what they received to the priests, the descendants of Aaron. - Nehemiah 12:44,47 NLT 4Before this had happened, Eliashib the priest, who had been appointed as supervisor of the storerooms of the Temple of our God and who was also a relative of Tobiah, 5had converted a large storage room and placed it at Tobiah’s disposal. The room had previously been used for storing the grain offerings, the frankincense, various articles for the Temple, and the tithes of grain, new wine, and olive oil (which were prescribed for the Levites, the singers, and the gatekeepers), as well as the offerings for the priests. 6I was not in Jerusalem at that time, for I had returned to King Artaxerxes of Babylon in the thirty-second year of his reign, though I later asked his permission to return. 7When I arrived back in Jerusalem, I learned about Eliashib’s evil deed in providing Tobiah with a room in the courtyards of the Temple of God. 8I became very upset and threw all of Tobiah’s belongings out of the room. 9Then I demanded that the rooms be purified, and I brought back the articles for God’s Temple, the grain offerings, and the frankincense. 10I also discovered that the Levites had not been given their prescribed portions of food, so they and the singers who were to conduct the worship services had all returned to work their fields. 11I immediately confronted the leaders and demanded, “Why has the Temple of God been neglected?” Then I called all the Levites back again and restored them to their proper duties. 12And once more all the people of Judah began bringing their tithes of grain, new wine, and olive oil to the Temple storerooms 13I assigned supervisors for the storerooms: Shelemiah the priest, Zadok the scribe, and Pedaiah, one of the Levites. And I appointed Hanan son of Zaccur and grandson of Mattaniah as their assistant. These men had an excellent reputation, and it was their job to make honest distributions to their fellow Levites. 28One of the sons of Joiada son of Eliashib the high priest had married a daughter of Sanballat the Horonite, so I banished him from my presence. 29Remember them, O my God, for they have defiled the priesthood and the solemn vows of the priests and Levites. 30So I purged out everything foreign and assigned tasks to the priests and Levites, making certain that each knew his work. 31I also made sure that the supply of wood for the altar and the first portions of the harvest were brought at the proper times. Remember this in my favor, O my God. - Nehemiah 13:4-13, 28-31 NLT "You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you! - Malachi 3:9 New American Standard Bible So it was everyone guilty - primarily the priests, Levites and then the whole nation of Israel 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Destroy The Tower Of Babel?? by BabaGnoni: 3:39pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Dragonking: You are still not making any sense neither did you answer the OP..^^^ Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects, along roads less traveled by On to the roads of deconstructing your beliefs, others can take you only so far It is you who must finally walk through the door of TRUTH but most times, like now, we use our THINKING to avoid the TRUTH |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Destroy The Tower Of Babel?? by BabaGnoni: 3:25pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Dragonking: This your write up doesnt still answer the OP..i am really interested in a sensible answer.^^^ I understand, as deconstructing ones belief, is one of the most painful things one can endure. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Destroy The Tower Of Babel?? by BabaGnoni: 2:36pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Donfamous: the two buildings compared are for differnt purposes. Tower of Babel was built as a result of rebellion. Infomizer: Not as a result of rebellion chief. They only wanted to make a name for themselves and be one (unite)...Oya answer o!To start with the Tower of Babel is a euphemism for rebellion (i.e. open resistance, outright or bold disobedience, action or process of resisting authority, dissent, insubordination etc) Babel was in Shinar, Shinar was one of the kingdoms formed by Nimrod Nimrod was the son of Cush (i.e. Cush was the son of Ham and the grandson of Noah) Digression: Once you understand what actually went down in the Noah and Ham incident (i.e. nothing to do with homo contrary to popular belief) it is no surprise the "Tower of Babel" events in this Noah-Ham-Cush bloodline 8Cush was the father of Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on the earth. 9He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 10The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in Shinar. - Gen 10:8 - 10 Gen 11:1-9 The Tower of Babel 1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. 4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. The tower the people proposed to build is an indirect expression substituted for trouble making, bad behavior etc The tower's "whose top may reach unto heaven" is a hyperbole not intended to be taken literally but used to used to evoke strong feelings or create a strong impression of the seriousness of this reasoning, behavior or thought Notice that the Tower of Babel itself was never built but only the city was The city came to be called Babel (i.e. was named Babel due to the confusion God set in) - Tower of Babel was a thought process (i.e. thought(s) building up and towering towards to the heavens) In order to not labor this post that much, the bottom line is that "it wasn't a good thing" to have a tower of bad ideas, bad thoughts then and it still isn't a good thing to have bad behavior thoughts now which incidentally is what Word Faith and Mind Sciences teaches The "Tower of Babel" syndrome is not uncommon today, and we need to be mindful that lofty ideas, thoughts, imaginations etc in different forms or guises are still peddled as gospel to the unsuspecting hence the thread's due diligence on WoF 4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; - 2 Corinthians 10:4 - 5 KJ Bible https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/9#25242171 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Sacrifice... Better Than Obedience? by BabaGnoni: 1:37pm On Aug 10, 2014*. Modified: 1:59pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: In 1 Samuel 15:22, we read: ProphetUdeme: Jesus says they loved the praises of men more than the honour from God.. PastorKun: Why don't you point out were the OP is wrong using scripture to back up your assertions@ProphetUdeme(m), @MarkMiwerds MarkMiwerds, good post... here is to putting the records straight on: "...It was not the children of Israel who had robbed God, but the Priests. The Priests were the robbers of the storehouse tithe." - MarkMiwerds According to Malachi 3:3, OP or this thread actually meant the Levites as opposed to priests - Malachi 3:3 NIV "He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness" - the Levites give a tithe of tithes to the priests (i.e. the priests were Aaron and his sons or offspring) - also the fact that all priests were Levites but not all Levites were priests (i.e. so referring to the Levites who were not priests) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Destroy The Tower Of Babel?? by BabaGnoni: 12:55pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Yungwizzzy: I need insightful and meaningful reply to this question^^^ https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/9#25242171 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by BabaGnoni: 4:06pm On Aug 09, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: ^^^^^^ Thanks! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 3:56pm On Aug 09, 2014*. Modified: 12:22am On Aug 11, 2014 |
[size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F10: Name-a-Seed or Seed Faith doctrine[/size] https://s24.postimg.org/w856vzeqd/Sow_Seed.jpg Name-a-Seed or Seed Faith are catchy phrases doctrine similar to "Name it... Claim it" doctrine earlier discussed on this thread It is another WoF formula, and unsurprisingly centers and anchors on money. It teaches that: one should name one's seed before one plants it and then reap a harvest (i.e. name money before donating or handing the money over and then have what the money was named afterwards) The doctrine is also known as "sow a seed for your need" It is nothing but glorified indulgences (i.e. the unauthorised RCC indulgences formerly practiced by Johann Tetze). It was Oral Roberts that revived the indulgences formerly practiced by Tetze, he repackaged, developed, promoted and championed it as seed-faith teaching Scriptures like Matthew 13:23 are twisted to validate or back it up and then used to exploit victim's obsession with possession of financial or material gains by running TV teachings on it and sending direct mail campaigns of seed-faith. But as for what was sown on good soil, this is the person who hears the word, understands it, and produces a crop that yields 100, 60, or 30 times what was sown. - Matthew 13:23 ISV The doctrine is all about money, just as with the WoF tithing doctrine, where agricultural tithe was twisted and converted from seed/crop produce to money. Here too WoF again with this doctrine have turned the seed or what was sown (i.e. which is the word of God) in Matthew 13:23 into money and the fertile ground or good soil (i.e. which is the heart) that Jesus spoke about in same verse to WoF movement's ministry. Her leaders judge for the money, her priests teach only when they're paid , and her prophets prophesy for cash. Even so, don't they all rely on the LORD as they ask, 'The LORD is among us, is he not? Nothing bad can possibly happen to us!' - Micah 3:11 ISV Like greedy dogs, they are never satisfied. They are ignorant shepherds, all following their own path and intent on personal gain. - Isaiah 56:11 NLT It is noticeable in all WoF doctrines so far discussed how the understanding and perception of God is continually changing one moment, God is a bom-boy at someone's beck and call, and ready to do any bidding subject to that one's slightest wish. next moment God is a genie, capable of granting wishes when called upon. Now, this time, "Name-a-Seed or Seed Faith" doctrine turns the unsuspecting into a magician, capable of pulling not just a rabbit, but anything else too, out of the hat, all needs done, is just remember to do the "Name-a-Seed or Seed Faith" abracadabra "I create as I speak" word when performing the magic trick, and voila out will pop the named. 18When Simon saw that the Spirit was given when the apostles laid their hands on people, he offered them money to buy this power. 19“Let me have this power, too,” he exclaimed, “so that when I lay my hands on people, they will receive the Holy Spirit!” 20But Peter replied, “May your money be destroyed with you for thinking God’s gift can be bought! 21You can have no part in this, for your heart is not right with God. 22Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive your evil thoughts - Acts 8: 18-22 NLT There is a lesson to be learned from the above passage, as it shows that, the reason for doing something, must be right. One does not give or offer money in return to buy power, to obtain financial or material gains etc And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard. You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' - Acts 20:35 NLT One works hard (i.e. as there are no short-cuts to success, riches or wealth) and God who gives the power to get wealth, will bless all the work of one's hands and so that one will be able to help the poor or those in need (i.e. for details, refer to Deuteronomy 8:18, 15:10 and 28:12) If it is blessings, one is after, then one is more blessed to give, than one is to receive, as stated in Acts 20:35 above. Lastly, any teaching for money that promises having that which was named, from God, in return for the money given, is nothing except a sweet-talk cajoling scam, as there is no precedent of this kind or form of teaching in the bible. Anyone with ears to hear, should listen and understand! (i.e. Matthew 11:15 NLT, Revelation 13:9 NLT) [size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F10: Name-a-Seed or Seed Faith doctrine[/size] I REST MY CASE ON F10, FOR NOW. 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by BabaGnoni: 12:33pm On Aug 09, 2014*. Modified: 5:50pm On Aug 09, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: [size=20pt] PROPOSED RULES FOR THE CONVENTION:This is about "1. Presentations should occupy only two posts with minimum of 2000 words and max 4000" Does "two or three posts with minimum of 2000 words and max 4000" imply 2 or 3 posts, as in, EACH OR INDIVIDUALLY having a total of minimum 2000 words and maximum 4000 words (i.e. 2-3 posts each having min 2000 words and max 4000 words ) hence 2 or 3 posts = minimum of 4000 and max 8000 words - minimum 6000 and maximum 12000 words (e.g. 1st post = 2000 - 4000 words, 2nd post = 2000 - 4000 words and 3rd post = 2000 - 4000 words) OR implies 2 or 3 posts, ALTOGETHER having a total minimum of 2000 and max 4000 words hence 2 or 3 posts = minimum of 2000 and maximum 4000 words (e.g. 1st post = 500 - 1000 words, 2nd post = 750 - 1500 words and 3rd post = 750 - 1500 words) Thanks in advance for the clarification |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by BabaGnoni: 8:02pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
Image123: Don't just hope oh, you will need massive faith and prayers for this one, lol.1. THE TRUTH ABOUT ""SUPPOSEDLY LIE NUMBER ONE" - Some many things not recorded in the bible are true and the fact remains that Abram and Jacob made a tithe not commanded by God, a tithe that has no penalty if defaulted This tithe was done once and no more - If teacher only taught 2+2= 4 in class, it doesnt mean that even without been taught, that 1+3 != 4 or 3+1 != 4 or 4+0 != 4 != means "not equal to" - Abraham only offered Isaac once, and the Jehovah Jireh there signifies that God provided (i.e. jireh) a ram for that occasion - The voluntary tithes Abraham and Jacob gave had no sorrow added. unlike the devourer promised WoF tithe givers if their voluntary tithe is held back or defaulted - The insinuated "Hypocrites" is water on duck's back 2. THE TRUTH ABOUT ""SUPPOSEDLY LIE NUMBER TWO" - God's original plan was to make the firstborn son of each Israelites household priests (Refer to Exodus 13:2, Exodus 19:5-6 for details) similar to how all believers are now priests (Refer to 1 Peter 2:9 NLT for details) The Israelites crazy wild night party and the Golden Calf idol worship changed all that The Levi on Moses's command ruthlessly dealth with the Israelites - Since the Israelites had lost out of serving God as priests, the "The LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD" comprising of the descendants of Levi was instituted "The LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD" was based on 3 levels of service based on the Levi family tree (Refer to Numbers 3:6-10 for details) - The first level of service formed the priesthood, was composed of Aaron and his offspring (Refer to Numbers 3:10 for details) - Aaron and his sons were descendants of Levi's son, Kohath (i.e. Aaron's his first sons, Nadab and Abihu were consumed by fire, the other two were Eleazar and Ithamar) - The second level is formed for those to be in charge of the most sacred parts of the Tabernacle They are the remaining descendants of Kohath who were not descendants of Aaron (Refer to: Numbers 3:27-32, 4:4-15, 7:9 for details) - The third level is formed for the lesser duties of service it comprised of all of the descendants of Gershon and Merari (Refer to: Numbers 3:18,20-26,33-37 for details) 3. THE TRUTH ABOUT "SUPPOSEDLY LIE NUMBER THREE" - Distinction has to be made between the tithe commanded by God and the tithe presently practiced today hence 'biblical tithing' given to the tithe commanded by God and 'monetary tithing' given to the tithe presently practiced today - 'biblical tithing' was a tenth of agro-based produce as God commanded - 'monetary tithing' is a tenth of one's financial income as presently practiced today (i.e. it is solely money based) It is also not commanded by God - Hebrews, Matthew and Luke simply spoke of tithes, as tithes or a tenth and particularly in regards to agro-based produce and not hard currencies or money 4. THE TRUTH ABOUT "SUPPOSEDLY LIE NUMBER FOUR" - The term 'biblical tithing' is not beautiful nonsense It is used to highlight what God instituted or commanded tithes according to Leviticus 27:30, 32 NLT - Leviticus 27:30, 32 is evidence as it shows how and what God commanded tithes as to the Israelites to be given on - It is used to distinguish it from Abraham tithes - Abram's tithe was based on war spoils, God's instituted or commanded tithe was based on agro-based produce - It is tagged 'biblical tithing' because God commanded it unlike Abram's which wasn't - Of course Abram tithed to a priest, but it was not compelled, had no sorrow added to it and it was not biblically commanded hence why it wasnt called a biblical tithe - No where on the thread, was any suggestion made that the Abram type of tithe or voluntary tithe is not acceptable except that, the giving and receiving of such tithe was never commanded by God. 5. THE TRUTH ABOUT "SUPPOSEDLY LIE NUMBER FIVE" - "all priests were Levites but not all Levites were priests" means Aaron and his offspring (i.e. the priests) were Levites but not all Levites were Aaron and his offspring (i.e. they weren't priests) - Aaron and his offspring (i.e. the priests) DID NOT PAY TITHES and the "not all Levites were Aaron and his offspring" (i.e. not priests) RECEIVED TITHES FROM THE ISRAELITES AND PAID TITHE OF THAT TITHE TO Aaron and his offspring (i.e. the priests) - The two; a God commanded tithing directive and a national emergency taxation directive are separate and mutually exclusive events 6. THE TRUTH ABOUT "SUPPOSEDLY LIE NUMBER SIX" - "Is tithed given or paid?" was used to highlight the difference between giving tithe, as with transferring the possession of agro-based produce to the Levites and paying tithe, as with paying in money and nothing else to WoF - WoF doesn't want tithe given in any other form except that tithe be paid in money to them 7. THE TRUTH ABOUT "SUPPOSED LIE NUMBER SEVEN" - The difference between Malachi 3:7 and 1 Pe 2:13 is that Malachi 3:7 has a damaging repercussion that Colossians 2:14 has taken care off - Malachi 3:7 is lethal and spiritual, 1 Pe 2:13 is political and referring to state laws, public regulations etc etc 8. THE TRUTH ABOUT "SUPPOSED LIE NUMBER EIGHT" - Obviously, it is the biblical tithe commanded by God which is based on agro-based produce and not money, war spoils etc that is referred here - This tithe was commanded to be paid to the Levite - Other one tenth taxation, contribution or donation not expressively or directly asked by God is not referred to here 9. THE TRUTH ABOUT "SUPPOSED LIE NUMBER NINE" - The tithes given at the temple at Jerusalem normally were for the priests' uphold etc - The tithes mostly given at storehouses in designated Levitical cities were for the Levites uphold - 2 Chronicles 31 and Nehemiah 13 gives more and detailed information on what happened when the tithing practices, processes and procedure which were lost were found from reading Moses' law https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/9#25174498 https://www.nairaland.com/1840595/14-lies-tithes-should-know#25186756 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 7:16pm On Aug 05, 2014*. Modified: 9:19pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Thanks for ur response,You're welcome nannymcphee When it comes to but "Jesus meant that the works of miracles, teachings etc He did, that believers will do even much more " there are no clear rules to obey for this to happen We need to recognise the fact, that verse (i.e. John 14:12) was made when Jesus was about ascending to Heaven and notice that the Holy Spirit was promised few verses further up, to replace Jesus when He vacates earth for Heaven So that essentially is what John 14:12 and the rest of the passage is about (i.e. the Holy Spirit and the promise of equipping) Now, the manifestation of the Spirit is as itemised in 1 Corinthians 12:8-11 (i.e. just as you earlier rightly quoted) In regards to "limitation & boundaries" from your "But could u pls explain those gifts & it's limitation & boundaries in terms of its actual meaning & application" quote though I did say "no clear rules which you must obey when it comes to works of miracles", I will intimate you with a God quote (i.e. the below snippet from Joan of Arcadia) which helped me get a better understanding of miracles This among other things, experiences etc gave me an insight, to some extent how miracles works Joan: Make Kevin walk, please? I just ask this one favor and then I'll never ask for one again. It's so easy for you. All you have to do is snap your fingers or blink your eyes. Just let Kevin stand up. God: People ask me to do things - big things, little things - billions of times, every day. Joan: What do you expect? You're God! God: I put a lot of thought into the Universe; came up with the rules. It sets a bad example if I break them - not to mention, shows favoritism. Why should one person get a miracle, and not everybody else? Can you imagine the confusion? It's better when we all abide by the rules . Joan: No miracles? God: Miracles happen within the rules. Some miracles happen on the pulpit within the pulpit's rules, limitation & boundaries (i.e. we know God still heals or cures) whilst others (e.g. re-growing ears noses, limbs etc) will have to happen within the medical field's rules, limitation & boundaries As for the latter, God is waiting on us for birth this out and make it happen - He has already blessed us with and deposited all the know-how in us to wrought out these miracles You're clinging too tightly on "believers" in your "So the thought that belivers cant is new to me" statement Believers and non-believers are not restricted from wroughting miracles There is/was a time and place for the special miracles as the likes in Acts 5:12, Acts 19:11 etc etc which you are referring to. PS: Some few tips, as regarding studying more: - Pray that God equip you to get more understanding and bless you as per Proverbs 4:7, Proverbs 16:16 and crowning it with Psalm 119:104 - Keep in mind that Jesus was a Jew, taught in Jewish, told parables in a Jewish culture or context, spoke with Jewish idioms etc - The bible is full of metaphors, hyperbole, symbolism, figure of speech, allegories, parallels, types, similes, paradoxes - Study the origin of word(s) and the way in which the meaning(s) stands out or play out in the bible But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything that I have told you. - John 14:26 ISV |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 4:51pm On Aug 05, 2014*. Modified: 5:07pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Firstly I'm a Christian !!!!Believe you me, I know you are Christian nannymcphee I know you became one in 2003 Notice the quotes and italic when I said: Almost thou persuadest me you were a "Christian" I didn't want to take you down a path you aren't ready or willing to go hence the Agrippa Macbeth english/pantomime remark As for "can u notice any sarcasm in my posts or any impolite word or insult?" Ah also those triple exclamations marks too, didn't help the matter much or at all - It's difficult to know who is genuine and sincere when their sentences end with triple exclamations marks As regards your: I didn't read the link u provided cos its no news to me, I'm aware of such break through, what seems to confuse me was the fact that u didn't say anything about the scriptures I quoted Firstly, when Jesus made that statement, he wasn't referring to medicine or science but to Believers who will do greater works than he did are u saying I'm wrong to have asked what Jesus meant by that verse? I also asked if the gift of miracle, faith & healing can't produce such creative miracle, u didn't answer this also - nannymcphee You didn't bother to open the link. Fine that's OK... I am glad you "aware of such break through" shows that the prayers of the saints are being answered for these miracles to become the norm There wasn't anything more to say or add to your scripture (i.e. John 14:12) The bible like as with the "Tower of Babel" euphemism etc is littered with hyperbole, metaphors etc etc Firstly, when Jesus made that statement, he wasn't referring to medicine or science, He was talking in general and every thing is bound by rules with regulations or principles behind them Limbs, reattaching limbs, growing limbs are no exception Also your "believers who will do greater works than He did" pertains to works of the Spirit. 2000 years ago, that verse and Mark 21:22 were made, and limbs (e.g. ears and noses) have only been grown recently You wouldn't find me saying you were "wrong to have asked what Jesus meant by that verse" but there wasn't anything more to say or add to your scripture (i.e. John 14:12) besides the fact, I already offered an explanation which you trampled upon or dismissed If by asking "if the gift of miracle, faith & healing can't produce such creative miracle" and if "creative miracle" to you means reattaching severed limbs, growing back limbs well as previously mentioned: It will come not from playing Jesus (i.e. not from claiming that, we are little gods, god class with a little ''g'' etc) not from the pulpit, pastors or prophets nannymcphee If one wants to see a sliced off ear or cut off leg put back on then putting them and limbs back, recreating limbs etc will happen as miracles in the medical arenas And it is already happening in the medical arenas but not yet in the pulpit I sure and sincerely hope you aren't taking heed of mbaemeka or paying any attention to Image123 They will give you a false sense of security and make you feel everything is fine, but it really isn't, there's a danger in the WoF teachings they have been indoctrinated with Guard your purse and your heart Your money is precious to you and more importantly your soul is precious to Abba Father. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 3:53pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Two things:^^^ https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif SMH. Wounjury LOL |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by BabaGnoni: 3:43pm On Aug 05, 2014*. Modified: 5:30pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
[size=20pt]TOPICS FOR GRACE CONVENTION 2014[/size] 1. [s](Genesis): The New Creation in Christ & our inheritance[/s] - Taken by MrAnony1(m) 2. [s](Social Issues): The Christian and his Environment[/s].- Taken by Yooguyz(m) 3. [s](Power of the Spirit): The Power of the Holy Spirit in Christian Living[/s]. - Taken by trustman 4. [s](Unity/Ecumenism): Towards a United Christian Voice on Nairaland and Elsewhere[/s]. - Taken by ihedinobi2 5. [s](Grace 1): The Demands of the Law and the Supply of the grace of God[/s]. - Taken by Alwaystrue(f) 6. (Church History): Where Did We Come From and Where are We Headed? - Not taken yet 7. [s](Christian Ministry): The Ministry, Life and the Message[/s]. - Taken by PastorOluT(m) 8. 9. (Nigeria): An Emerging Nigeria via the Gospel. - Not taken yet 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by BabaGnoni: 2:46pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
PastorKun: It's obvious that it doesn't to you if the tithe is acceptable to God. Image123: Does the bible talk about a tithe that is not acceptable to God? If yes, kindly state where.In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed - 1 Peter 2:3 NLT 7 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 1:52pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Pls I said explain in the light of the scriptures I quoted!!!^^^ https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif SMH. Almost thou persuadest me you were a "Christian" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 11:26am On Aug 05, 2014*. Modified: 11:43am On Aug 05, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Except Jesus is on Earth again, one won't see a sliced off ear or cut off leg put back on nannymcphee: John 14:12Where are you? - Don't answer back, it was a rhetorical question These miracles in the medical arenas are already happening now. Ears and noses are being regrown etc etc - not reattached ear but new ear grown Little by little, we will have full or more manifestations of the likes It will come not from playing Jesus (i.e. not from claiming that, we are little gods, god class with a little ''g'' etc) not from the pulpit, pastors or prophets nannymcphee. 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2571335/Ears-noses-grown-lab-stem-cells-human-transplants-thanks-revolutionary-technique.html 2006 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-487039/Artist-implants-ear-arm.html 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 11:20am On Aug 05, 2014*. Modified: 12:08pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
nannymcphee: "Indeed the Lord did say at the Tower of BabelPresuming you're quoting DrummaBoy from the below URL link: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents#24350423 To start with the Tower of Babel is a euphemism for rebellion (i.e. open resistance, outright or bold disobedience, action or process of resisting authority, dissent, insubordination etc) Babel was in Shinar, Shinar was one of the kingdoms formed by Nimrod Nimrod was the son of Cush (i.e. Cush was the son of Ham and the grandson of Noah) Digression: Once you understand what actually went down in the Noah and Ham incident (i.e. nothing to do with homo contrary to popular belief) it is no surprise the "Tower of Babel" events in this Noah-Ham-Cush bloodline 8Cush was the father of Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on the earth. 9He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 10The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in Shinar. - Gen 10:8 - 10 Gen 11:1-9 The Tower of Babel 1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. 4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. The tower the people proposed to build is an indirect expression substituted for trouble making, bad behavior etc The tower's "whose top may reach unto heaven" is a hyperbole not intended to be taken literally but used to used to evoke strong feelings or create a strong impression of the seriousness of this reasoning, behavior or thought Notice that the Tower of Babel itself was never built but only the city was The city came to be called Babel (i.e. was named Babel due to the confusion God set in) - Tower of Babel was a thought process In order to not labor this post that much, the bottom line is that "it wasn't a good thing" to have a tower of bad ideas, bad thoughts then and it still isn't a good thing to have bad behaviour thoughts now which incidentally is what Word Faith and Mind Sciences teaches The "Tower of Babel" syndrome is not uncommon today, and we need to be mindful that lofty ideas, thoughts, imaginations etc in different forms or guises are still peddled as gospel to the unsuspecting hence the thread's due diligence on WoF 4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; - 2 Corinthians 10:4 - 5 KJ Bible 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Interesting Questions, Who Wants To Try Answering Them? by BabaGnoni: 7:52am On Aug 05, 2014 |
jideolubiyi: How come unbelievers are most of the wealthiest persons on earth? tpia5: any takers for this one? tpia1: however, does anyone want to address the question of why serious christians are often seen as s.tupid?"The rich man had to admire the dishonest rascal for being so shrewd. And it is true that the children of this world are more shrewd in dealing with the world around them than are the children of the light." - Luke 16:8 NLT As illustrated in the passage involving Luke 16:8, it is because "unbelievers" are more clever or shrewd than spiritually-minded people (i.e. "Christians'') Unbelievers, despite looming difficulty or delay in achieving success, persists in their financial pursuits or activities and also are often wiser than believers, especially when in areas of risky or daring financial undertakings |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by BabaGnoni: 1:09pm On Aug 04, 2014 |
ichuka: Beautiful Thread!!https://s14.postimg.org/ra21a73ap/u_Rock.gif Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my rock and my Redeemer - Psalms 19:14 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by BabaGnoni: 1:02pm On Aug 04, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, And to sees, as of many; but as of one, And to your seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that is should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise" (Galatians 3:16-18.)OLAADEGBU, why, why, why Why did you stop at verse 18? Why did you stop shy of verse 19 and not continue on to the end? Chai, these verses you were sharing from Galatians 3:16 and then stopped conveniently at verse 18, chai diaris God ooo The whole passage was making a case debunking the law, (i.e. 19Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator - Galatians 3:19) and centering it on the promise (i.e. Christ, the Abraham’s seed) Galatians 3:16-18, your trump card, has nothing to do with validating tithing talkless the law OLAADEGBU 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by BabaGnoni: 12:56pm On Aug 04, 2014 |
^^^ @OLAADEGBU antics SMH 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by BabaGnoni: 12:12pm On Aug 04, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: There are scriptures that buttress my point.OLAADEGBU, my good friend and brother, can't you see that we are going back to Eden? Can't you see we've gone back to how it was in the beginning? As about you asking:"Can you tell us where in Scriptures the Church is told that tithes and offerings have been abolished?" Tithing was nailed to the cross (i.e. Colossians 2:14 dealt with Malachi 3:7) Tithing just like the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath or tithing In the beginning it was never so OLAADEGBU, it was more of liberty, freedom of choice and no coercion, more like that "Christians have incredible liberty" sentiment you raised Whatever the offerings given, it is to be freewill and cheerfully done, with no sorrow or compulsion added or joined with it 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by BabaGnoni: 11:42am On Aug 04, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Truth is that subjects like sabbath and circumcision have greater argument running for them than the tithes in the bible. We need to listen to the argument of an adventist on sabbath to appreciate this. OLAADEGBU: Words of Comfort: Keeping the Sabbath. DrummaBoy: I don't know, but do we realize that it was a bondage to the sabbath that Jesus contended the pharisees with; while Paul contended the religious leaders of his day on circumcision? Why do we then find it surprising that Satan would ruse up another Jewish religious practice to blind God's people from true devotion to God like he did in the past?Christians have incredible liberty —no one can tell us what we must eat or drink, or what days we must observe. - OLAADEGBU Famous quote which incidentally is applicable to tithing Christians have incredible liberty, no one can tell us to tithe 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by BabaGnoni: 9:44am On Aug 04, 2014 |
https://s30.postimg.org/q0degrzj1/Tithe_Hard2_Go_c.jpg When an old Covenant command, lines our pockets, it's hard to let it go 10Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.” 19But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us" - 1 Samuel 8:10-19 Comparing with the above 1 Samuel 8:10-19 passage, 13 things, worth noting concerning WoF's tithing doctrine: 1) It is very obvious to spot similarities with a Ponzi scheme, where fraudulent investing scam promising high rates of return with little risk to investor is taught and promised - WoF have devised their own form of tithing which is completely at variance to the biblical tithing commanded by God the Bible. 2) The tithing doctrine taught by WoF is not the same as the now defunct and obsolete Israelites tithing practice earlier commanded by God 3) WoF tithing is mimicking a tithing practice which is no longer functional or which as far as God is concerned, is no longer existing or operating. 4) WoF is teaching tithing which God no longer commands. 5) The truth is that, the king in 1 Samuel 8:10-11, is the head of whichever WoF movement teaching a defunct, obsolete and fake tithe doctrine 6) As a matter of fact, 1 Samuel 8:12-14 are the die-hard fans of the "king" and others in the higher echelons of the WoF movement. The WoF disciples for their submissiveness are compensated with titles, positions, zonal posts etc or enjoy perks and favours for their blindfolded admiration and loyalty to the "king and his cohort" or WoF cause 7) If truth really be told, 1 Samuel 8:15 & 17, is the ruse WoF is practising and what is used for extorting from unsuspecting and ill-informed investors believers - It is not a God commanded or directed tithe in the real sense but rather it is a one tenth tax just like demanded by the Israelite king in 1 Samuel 8:15 8.) Unfortunately, 1 Samuel 8:16-19, is a reality, where believers are abused, used or misused by the WoF tithing doctrine but when warned, they refuse to listen. “No!” they say. “ Do not touch our sacred cow. We want the "tithing" over us" 9) WoF's tithing doctrine is a meal ticket and a faux-tithing set in place to fund the lavish lifestyle 10) WoF's tithing doctrine is nothing more than a 10 percent taxation masqueraded as tithing 11) Bonus here for those (e.g. hardcore tithers, die-hard tithers or pro-tithers) who think tithing is a do or die resolve: Forget Matthew 23:23, and check out Luke 18:9-14 to see who was justified between a tithe-giving Pharisee and despised tax collector 12) ANYONE HOLDING on TO the VIEW of that there is a PRINCIPLE BEHIND TITHING, CAN CLEARLY SEE IN Luke 18:14, that one is justified even without tithing, and also evident in the verse, the other is not justified despite tithing. - although tithing is now gone, there apparently, were things according to Luke 18:14, back then, more important than tithing. 13) Lastly, today, no Jew or any member of any synagogue in present day Israel or synagogues in the rest of the world pays tithe in the biblical commanded manner or with money (i.e. tenth of income) - they don't tithe, as they know it would be disobeying the law of God and a sin against God. - There is no more Levitical order of Priests ministering at a Temple in Jerusalem today, and so this makes it illegal to pay any form of biblical tithe to anyone else than the Levites. - It was ONLY the Levites who were ordained by God to receive or accept tithe - So today, any giver of tithe & any receiver of tithe (i.e. receiver, not of the commanded Levitical order) are both committing a grave offense to God - WoF should not be teaching tithe, besides the fact of not even being qualified, in the first place, according to God's command, to receive biblical tithe. - Peter, the Apostles, Paul and Jesus knew that to be eligible to receive tithe, one needs to be of the tribe of Levi this is why none of them taught tithing after the Cross and since the Temple veil was torn and besides, since Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, Peter and Jesus of the tribe of Judah, the rest of the Apostles were not Levites neither of them sought tithing nor encouraged or taught any to give tithe to them or anyone else for that matter. - Peter and Paul, knew it is biblically improper to give and receive tithes so they did not depend on it, rely on it or plan to use biblical tithe for the development and spread of the Gospel On close, freewill giving done out of a willingness coming from the heart will ONLY be practiced by believers, if good and unadulterated teachings, devoid of tithing, are given, in faith to them. (i.e. faith as in the 3rd and last one, in Matt 23:23's more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith) By informing the readers of the truth behind WoF tithing and uncovering how WoF teaches tithing, the humble message of this post is two-fold: Firstly, when an old covenant command, lines in the pocket of such like WoF, it is hard to let go Secondly, the readership is hereby reassured, tithing has no place in believers' life after what happened on the Cross at Calvary https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/7#25034517 1 Like |
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