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We can never, as the goat will not live with the Lion.

Jesus did not come to establish humanism. But he came to lead us back to the father.

The bible is against divorce.
No divorce for a Christian.

I am smiling here

Well if you did not read the verse 7 then look at it again.

I will have to quote so many scripture so that you will know that an enemy of God is a sinner Period. This is the milk of the word.

I have helped you but you can refuse the help it is a choice you make.

I have listened to "men of God" expound this doctrine and they have erred seriously.

@Ricadelide


I am happy that you have shown me you read your bible. Thanks to God. If you have read the whole Corinthians you will know what I am talking about.

If you are a student of the bible you will know what the core of the Epistle was all about.

1Cor. 1:4-9
I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. For in him you have been enriched in every way—in all your speaking and in all your knowledge— 6because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you. Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.

The nation you are is not the Church of God.

There is UnCarnal man 100% Jesus was uncarnal. Adam was uncarnal before he sinned. Any man that is filled with the righteousness of God is uncarnal.

A man that is carnal is a Sinner. There is a carnal heart this is at war with God. I would have

Ah ah ah Paul was not writing to a nation it is a Church in Corinth. To help you Go and research the Histology of the Epistles.

This is common knowledge among bible Scholars

There is Righteous Christians in my books but there is nothing like Carnal Christians. There is nothing Like Carnal Jesus.

Was Jesus CARNAL?

If I quote scripture you may not be helped it is Good you are quoting it yourself.

Ok I change my Mind let me quote Scripture and put the matter to rest.

Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


Romans 8:7
Because the[b] carnal mind is enmity against God:[/b] for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


We all learning.

Please the Use of the word Carnal is sometimes used to me Worldly.



Selah

Pilgrim1

Lets us talk with love in our hearts.

You have now come clear and I can now see your doctrine. The doctrine of co ownership of the Home is what your are skillfully pushing forward.

Well this is what is different in the Church. There is nothing like a woman SOLELY leading a congregation. Only a man can SOLELY lead a congregation.

Please who was Jesus woman Co-leader

Or who was Paul Co-leader

It is definite in the Church ordinance that you can not allow women to lead the Church. The reason is for Submissive purpose and this was in the ORIGINAL PLAN OF GOD.

That we are made to worship God makes us more like God. The good wife is service oriented, She does not look at is as a Burden.

Though we have wicked men but every service rendered to a man is a Good service. Eve in the bible sinned against her husband and she was forward in her thoughts and sinned against God.

Eve led her Beloved to Hellfire. Women are to submit to their men. And a woman leading a Church Epitomizes the Opposite of God's will on earth.

Imagine if Eve had asked her Husband for authority to prepare the fruit. What do you think would have happened? Why did you think Leviathan went to the woman and no the man?

Thank God you Quoted the bible.

Now Let us Look closely what you quoted

1Cor. 3:1-3
"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ. I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it : nay, not even now are ye able; for ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you jealousy and strife, are ye not carnal, and do ye not walk after the manner of men?"

Paul was using what you call tact inspired by the holy Ghost.

He was Using the Analogy of Child needs the Milk to grow to survive into adulthood.

whereas the Corinthian Church was in sin and what would you give to them. If you read the corinthians you will see that there could be no way this people be called saved.

They had the knowledge of salvation and they were living in sin. Can you give a dead baby Milk to grow. The people of the Church in Corinth had heard the word but were backsliden. There sin in the church and it was so rife that fornication was rife.

What would as an evangelist preach to a backsliden Church ?

Seven steps on how to receive the holy Ghost?
10 way of how to make money?
3 ways to be risch ?
5 principle of a good marriage life?

As a flaming evangelist you deliver the word of Salvation to a backsliden church. Now that is the milk of the word of God.

No Carnal man will enter heaven. There is nothing like Carnal Christian. Was Jesus Carnal? Child that seeks the hard truth of the word of God is a TRUE CHILD.

NOTE A CHILD THAT STOPS TO GROW IS NO CHILD.

I have made it Clear Satanism is being practiced in the form of Catholic worship this is dangerous.

Catholics Church Attenders please flee all these evils and read your bibles.

JWs

I have engaged them in numerous Arguement i think by now they would have known that now there is no way to making me JW.

They brought their senior man and I showed them where Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY GOD IN THEIR OWN BIBLE. I GUESS THEY FORGOT TO TAKE IT OUT FROM THEIR OWN BIBLE.

Those people are under another spirit and gospel.

If you are not strong enough in Scripture please please flee from them and if you are strong dont make them your bible study companion everyday

Witchcraft is the Highest form of deception that has ever been advanced by any Being that is at war with God.

You are first of all deceived and then you make other people deceiving Agents.

It is a pity this has entered the Church now where the Pastors Claim that they perform Miracles and Give the glory to themselves.

Satan is Laughing in Hell at this error. The children that discover this Lie are called children of disobedience SAUL was told that the sin of Disobedience was worse than Witch Craft.

Witches are Lied to by a false Spirit and they are deceived Vexedly It is only the Most High Spirit Of God that can heal a man from this Evil Spirit.

@pilgrim1

You are trying to define leadership and then say since the bible say women can Lead and did not qualify it then it means that women can lead the Church.

You can go into semantics and win your point but you must differentiate. A woman can lead a womans group or a children's church.

The style of interpreting the bible is the style that people that have just Logic of reasoning rather than the Spirit of the Most High God.

I have been holding my peace on this one. but I can say that any woman that leads a LOCAL Church is in the danger of the snare of the dreaded Fowler LEVIATHAN.

Let us look at the Virtuous woman

Proverbs 31

verse

10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

11The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

12She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

13She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

14She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.

15She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.

16She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

17She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

18She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

19She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

20She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

21She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

22She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.

23Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.

24She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.

25Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

26She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

27She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

28Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

29Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

30Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.

31Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

THE MOST HIGH GOD

JESUS IS THE ANCIENT OF DAYS

MIGHTY MAN

THE MIGHTY TERIBBLE ONE

HE IS YHWH

HORUS YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY JESUS HOW SORROWFUL WILL IT BE FOR YOU ON THAT DAY OF THE LORD.

YISRELYTE

Dont you know in old testament that the God of the Jews is a triunity. where all are equal but distinct beings.

Go and meet your Jews Rabbis and let them tell you.

there is nothing like carnally minded christian to be carnally minded is to be a sinner.

@pilgrim1

Because you disobey your father it does not mean you will not have you birthday.

There is in the bible where a young prophet was mislead by an OLDER prophet it did not make it right.

You need to look at the scripture Katherine is not above scripture. M. Therisa is not about the Judgement of God. Judas was not above the Judgement of God.

The thing about Christianity is that you can sin and prosper but Judgement will come.

If you preach the gospel rather than give that will have been better. Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord.

How pleasant is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. It is good to give to the gospel but you must know that giving is to be done the right way.

There is nothing more that give your sleep to God and pray for his will to be done on earth. It is like we are buying the word of God. The muslim do the same thing.

Much as I respect Kumuyi. Anyone can Go to Hell.

When you Change your Natural appearance to that of others you will meet your maker. You may laugh from Argentina to Zimbabwe.

You are forewarned flee sin. Seek Righteousness. You will have your day in Court with God The Judge of all men.

@ Ivie

Men will continue to deform their bodies and they will come back and ask you don't you rubb pomade on your body? You just watch the Church is now corrupting the world. You will soon see Natural moral men saying that the Church has brought evil in the world. Already they are doing it with money.

@Ivie


You Must know the truth. And I love you openness. I was also shocked that the bible was categorical on this issue. Women are not to Hold Position of Authority of Men in the Church.

You can Teach Sunday School for Kids and Teach women related Issues to women. The Bible is very Clear on this. Hope this goes down with you as this is the Mind of God.

You can read my posts on https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-61492.416.html#msg1607598

God Bless you.

@Ivvie

I am not in any argument. They have thrown stones on nairaland at me but I am not pertubed, I have faced more physical stuff in my life time.

The evil of the present day preachers where they USE Hypnosis and music to make people believe all kinds of things.
Very soon the "Church" be the most Demonic place on earth.

You will soon see people having sex openly in CHURCH to show you to make love. They will defend it with the bible. They will call us Hardliners or orthodox. You Just wait and see.

But As a Elijah thought that he was the only Holy Prophet alive there Shall be a Remainant. The Church will celebrate Numbers but God is not Interested in numbers.

Donnie

Well you have spoken. That is your position. But I i know that you will see what i am saying in the not too distant future. I do hope you have a great time with God.

Every Good tree must be harvested. A tree that has no fruit will not have no stones thrown at it. If the church is doing the right thing in this our days then I should be happy. But we see that there is no transformation of lives. The Church is turning out dead men.

There is no holiness preached. Just open your eyes and see. If I am evil and speak the truth does it prevent us from seeing the truth. The church IS FIRST THE POWER OF GOD TO SAVE PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS. You can not use

1) Logic
2) Principles
3) Strategies

To get rid of sins. Satan is more knowledgeable. But when we have the Holy Spirit the we have the power to make

1) people holy.
2) we make people fear God
3) We make people Desire More Holiness
4) We make people moral without Strategy


A Church with Miracles does not move Satan. Satan has seen more Miracles then all the world put together.

I am sorry to cut in here but I must.

The true revival in the bible is not the publishing of materials. It is the liberation from sin. That people are transformed from evil ways.

You still see corruption on the streets of Nigeria and we rejoice that we are distributing tracts?
How was the first world revival attained.
The church is filled with sin and we sit there and say that there is a patriotism?
The Church that Christ died for is fornicating in the High Places.

There is still sin in the Church and the society. The club houses is still full people are still committing sin without regard for God.

There is little or less moral authority Just Be blessed and Go to Hell is the teaching of Today.

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@pilgrim

Leadership in biblical terms is the House of God. The people of God. The true Holy Church is not lead by Women. A women can teach other women adults and kids.

Not the entirety of the church.

On a more serious note a Catholic that worships Mary and follows the ritual of the roman catholic way whether knowingly or unknownly is on his way to hell.

There is in this Roman Catholic Church, demon worship interwoven with some kind of righteousness.

The pope can claim anything he likes. The word of the Lord standeth sure. Whoso nameth the name of the Lord should depart from sin.

You must flee from all appearance of sin.

Go and ask the Shia and the Sunni the same question.

Oh just go to Iraq and ask them what is the difference between Shia and Sunni.

Abeg go with a bullet proof oh,

@Rachwise

You need not be worried. The word of God is not forced on no one.

@pilgrim1

I have made it very clear that the Leadership role of a Church is to the Man. If you have the gathering of the children of God it is only the man that must lead.

“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God” (1Cor. 11:3).

Genesis 3:6

The headship of the man is not part of the curse of sin. The women was originally made a help meet for man. The primacy of the man is stated by the Holy Spirit to be creational, not situational “For Adam was first formed, then Eve” (1Tim. 2:13). It was Adam who named Eve, and after the fall God calls Adam, the head of Eve, and who God held responsible for the fall. (Rm. 5).

The fall did strengthen the necessary dominance of the man, and enables man and women to enjoy compatible and complementary (being somewhat symbiotic) relationship. .

As God the Father and the Son are equal in essential nature, so are male and female in theirs, but there is a positional distinction which is ordained of God and thus is holy, just and good.

some use the ensample of Deborah the judges (Jdg. ch. 4, 5).

Context! Israel was in a backslidden state, and exceptions borne of necessity do not establish the norm or God's perfect will. . The days of the apostles were days in which the template for the church was laid, in which Jesus choose no women apostles, and no women were ordained as Bishops/Elders, and which Biblical faithfulness we are to seek.

Deborah's words in 4:9 intimates that it was a shameful thing that a man failed his leadership rule.

There are times, such as in the case of a single parent, when one gender may have to assume a role that he/she is not ordained for by nature. A mature born again women pastor would likely be better than a spiritually dead (in his sins) Roman priest. Yet even though good can result, in the end there will be aberrations that would be have been avoided if both men and women exercised their respective roles faithfully. We are to seek God's will to be done on earth, as it is in Heaven, from there the distinctions between man and women in in regards to leadership flows.

some quote Joel 2:28-29

A gift (or charism) does not equal position (nor even character), and a bishop/elder or pastor is a position. Simply having an ability to prophecy does not mean one can presume a position of leadership, and does not even assure one will go to Heaven (Mt. 7:22,23; Jude 11).

Men like Samuel were more than simply prophets. God forbid that any would say that sharing the gospel can only be done by men! There is a wide range of ministry women can do within their respective role – some it overlapping with what men do. Having authority over men and doctrine is the key issue, in which the women is to complement the man, not rule over men.

Another role is that of motherly ways of helping, as sister Phebe was doing in being “a succourer [helper] of many” (Rm. 16:2).

But notice who the women are to tell. There are not commissioned to be leaders of the church, but are to tell the men whom God has chosen to do so, and which is the historical constant with the Biblical church.


Finally there is a reason why God refers to Himself by the male pronoun, and it is not a reflection of circumstances nor in condescension to culture.

From the beginning the male was given the role of primary leadership and responsibility for it, and leadership was always male in the Biblical N.T. Church as well. The man is overall given primarily responsibility, and is overall held responsible when both men and women are joined in serving God. Thus Adam was held primarily responsible for the fall: “by one man sin entered into the world,” and “as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” (Rm. 5:12; 1Cor. 15:22).

It was the male leadership of the N.T church that God said must give an account for the care of their flock (Heb. 13:17).

The instructions for pastoral ordination in 1Tim. 3 and Titus 1 are specifically given to men, and in distinction what is expected of women.

@pilgrim

The ordination of women to the Christian ministry, specifically the pastoral office of overseeing worship and performing preaching and the Lord’s Supper, is a recent development in Church history. From the early church until the late 20th century, women were never ordained as ministers, not in any branch of the Church, East or West, Protestant or Catholic.

It is today often assumed that the Church has been wrong about this, universally and consistently, for nearly 2000 years. This assumption holds that the Holy Spirit has either misguided the Church on this matter, or that the Spirit has allowed the Church to remain in error, for His own good reasons, and is only now correcting that error.

Now know that Both Paul and Peter refer to the Old Testament to justify the submission of woman to man; the creation of Eve after Adam (1 Corinthians 11:8–9) and the transgression of Eve before Adam (1 Timothy 2:12). out of 2 or more witness a truth is established.


1 Corinthians 14:34 states that women must not speak/preach in church "as also says the law" (KJV), 1 Corinthians 14:35 calls it "a shame for women to speak in the church," and that women should be taught only by their husbands.


Biblical feminists typically argue their position by

1) casting doubts about Pauline authorship
2) stating that Paul really believed something different than what he wrote
3) that Paul modified biblical guidelines to accommodate the cultural sensitivities of his time
4) that women were uneducated in Paul’s day.

Unfortunately, this displays one of a number of prevalent problems in the search for truth, the denial of divine inspiration by suggesting the truth was not really presented.

This prohibition of a woman to be a teacher does not include the teaching of classes of women, girls, or children in a Sunday School, for instance, but does prohibit the woman from being a pastor.

The Holy Spirit concludes by saying that a woman is to be silent. The Greek word for silent is HSUCIA meaning “silence, tranquility or rest.” Hurley agrees saying, “Its use in 1 Timothy 2 shows that Paul is not just calling for ‘buttoned lips,’ but for a quiet receptivity and a submission to authority . . .” The noted Greek scholar Ceslas Spicq says the word was used for “inaction, times of peace, as opposed to combat.” This suggests the possibility some of the women were “fighting a battle” to teach as well as to have leadership positions over the entire church. The rule is absolute - women cannot teach men and they cannot have a position of authority in the church

I don't know where to start.

The head of the family was Adam even from the scripture you quoted you know God asked Adam first.

Isaiah 3

12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

Pilgrim1

Please quote the full scripture.

3The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4T[b]hat they may teach the young women to be sober[/b], to love their husbands, to love their children,

5To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not
blasphemed.

The truth is that the women are to teach the younger women.

To be the head pastor of the Church is Evil.