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Dtruthspeaker:
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You Used only one part of the popular definition of religion and you did not lay the other parts of the definition, for the appreciation of the whole, to wit

a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions
"the world's great religions"
a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.

The word "religion" has more than one meaning other than the one you laid up there.

And these other meanings come into play when Anti Christians Wrongfully Use it as a weapon, to which, Christ Followers would have no other choice than to dispose the of it, on the whole!

But if Anyone finds a word that only has one meaning for the belief in God, and no other meaning, we shall stand with and by it and some of us here are willing to fall with it.

Going to the other parts of your presentation.

The word Religion has more than one meaning.
So does many other words. Words like "bad" and "sick" can mean "good" in certain circumstances. The word "organ" can mean a musical instrument and a body part.

Colloquial and contextual definition of words are very important.

Theism refers solely to a belief in a god. But even it has another meaning (a morbid condition from an excessive consumption of tea).

Kobojunkie:

You left this out of the list of possible definitions.

This is from the dictionary as well.

In a sense they are right, if you consider the definition of the word "religion", you might see why. According to TheBrahmavâdin, an idea becomes a religion as soon as it becomes an authoritative truth, a truth to mind which we deem to be a duty. For so many of so-called atheists who show up in this chat space, atheism, the idea, is indeed a religion seen in the way they approach ideas contrary to that which they claim and in some cases those who post these ideas.

I left that out because it's not relevant to the discussion. Are you familiar with colloquialism?

If you think atheism is a religion just because it centers around an idea and pursues an interest you will not be necessarily wrong but that throws a myriad of other things into an already long list of pre-existing belief-centred religions.

Like football clubs, non governmental organisations, secret and open cults.

I am not sure you would be ready to debate a Chelsea follower on how they should convert from watching sports and starting coming to your church. You would sound insane but technically as you claimed, they're a religion.

That a word has different meaning does not mean we have to factor in the meanings into ALL discussions. If we have to, we must then bear the consequences that come with doing so.

OLAADEGBU:
See why racism is incompatible with Christianity here

How is racism not part of god's nature when god time and time again treats Jews better than people of other races and tribes? Because of no other reason than "you are my chosen people?"

OLAADEGBU:
Do you even believe this God exists? If you do then be prepared to give Him a piece of your mind if you have any.

Good deflection tactics.

Christianity holds the view that Israelites have a higher status than the rest of the world's people. That is racism. Your religion supports racism.

OLAADEGBU:
There is nothing like a superior race. There is only one race, the Adam race which we all know as the human race. That is the Bible which is confirmed by science.

Christian lying as usual.

Deuteronomy 14:2, "For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has CHOSEN you to be HIS TREASURED people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth."


MANY times in the bible could any HONEST reader see that the Israelites got special treatment from god. For no reason other than them being Israelites. Racial supremacy at its finest.


In fact the very storyline that black people in Africa need a white saviour from the middle east says it all. Your god is a racist.

shadeyinka:
Why are you exhibiting so much ignorance. Christians and Muslims do not disbelief in the existence of other gods. Such gods are treated as imposter-gods who are not in the creator God

According to the definition of Atheism, a belief in at least one god/God make one NOT an atheist.

"All other gods, they are the works of men..."

"I will never worship man made god; man made god" are popular Christian songs.

"No god except Allah" is a popular phrase in the religion of Islam.

Nice try but you failed.

Kobojunkie:
The same can be said about your atheistic beliefs though. If you really thought about it, you would understand how futile all these attempts by your person really are.
After all, by coming here regularly and creating these threads, you do believe you are right, and all religions are wrong, don't you?
So fall in line, cause you are IT too!

As an atheist, I don't necessarily say "you are wrong. "

I say "I am not convinced you are right."

Two very different statements.

Truer words have never been spoken

OLAADEGBU:
Racism is evil in whatever culture but it is even diabolical when they tend to teach and enforce it as science.

Yet the bible insists that Jews are god's chosen people and therefore the superior race..Talk about hypocrisy

petra1:
Same thing I’m asking

They can lie to you about this because it's not the only thing they have lied to you about.

Your Jerry curl pastor is a cheat and a lying fraudster who is sure you don't fact check anything.

Maestro21:
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This is a reductive argument. Viewerships are not necessarily counted like this. 3.5 billion viewers is projected based on the reach of the satellite, TV or radio station in which the program is broadcast and the time it is. These programs (not all the days but the global ones) are usually shown on primetime in many stations in more than 200 nations around the world. For cable outreaches, the same companies can give you feedback (at a price) on how many people tuned in and stayed for at least 2 mins. This is an aside from the fact that many have been at home due to the lockdowns. Besides, the world's population is closer to 7.5 billion.



An audience strength of 3 billion is very possible for some thing with a global outreach. I hope you know that over 1.3 billion copies of Rhapsody of realities were distributed. The next argument you will make is "Are you telling me that ROR is the most distributed book (perhaps besides the bible) in the world"? And the answer will be yes. The people who printed the copies know how many they distributed.



Internet is not the only means of watching him. In remote villages in Europe and Africa etc. He is shown on local stations and radios as well.



Rubbish. Judaists, Muslims, Buddhists, Hinduists tune in some times. Fact. Just reading the commentary sections on some of the platforms will tell you this. People get curious. Some others out of mischief.



Nansense. You should know that Rev Chris has held meetings online prior to all these and with just ministers of the gospel that had over 740 M in attendance. [/s]

LIES.

Maestro21:
Right back at you. I mean, why would they lie? What will be the point?

The point is to fool people like you who take people's words at face value simply because they claim to be men of god.

Show me evidence of pastor Chris 3 billion viewers broadcast or remain silent forever.

petra1:
It's a global programme. It was based on data

A global programme that was watched by half of the world population?

World's population is 7 billion. So you all really believe 40%± of the world population tuned in to watch pastor Chris's programme?

Do you even know that out of 7 billion some ≈1 billion don't have access to internet at all?

Of the remaining 6 billion, 1.9 billion are muslims. Some other 1.9 billion people constitutes atheists and folks that belong to other religions(Judaism, Buddhism, Jainism, Wicca, CoS etc.)

That's remaining 2.1 billion that are Christians. So you mean ALL Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, Jehovah witnesses, Evangelicals, Anglican, CAC, TAC, Winners Chapel etc members + another 900million people from other religions tuned in to watch one man's program.

Una get brain na...mak una de use am sometimes

Great great thread.

ThothHermes:
There are many poor earners in the world.

There are many poor tithers in the world. You made a rod for your own back.

ThothHermes:
The tithe is paid to Jesus, not pastors. Heb 7:8

Gotta love an all-powerful, all-knowing, infinite source of wealth requiring a subscription fee from his own creation every Sunday..don't ya

ThothHermes:
The labor of the fool shall weary him, because he does not know the road to the city. Ecclesiastes 10:15

A book that endorses slavery, misogyny, genocide and killing of little children is the last book I would take seriously.

petra1:
Don’t take out your frustration on God. He’s the your life solution

That YOU feel frustrated when you bash other people's religion, doctrines and gods does not mean everyone else does. Don't project your insecurities on me.

petra1:
Because it’s the word of God . It’s a book of prophecy , which’s brings hope to your future and gives your life a meaning

I don't need a book that endorses slavery, misogyny, genocide and wholesale stupidity to give me any hope or give my life any meaning. My future and life are already hopeful, meaningful and settled as I speak. Way more than you, or your slave-masters could ever imagine.

That YOU need a book written by goat herders in the dark ages to give YOUR own life a meaning does not mean everyone else does. And it says more about YOU than anything else here.

What you see in another person is YOUR own reflection. You cannot move me. And I sure as hell will never go back to the vomitous, blood-filled slave pit in which you live in. Heck, few hours ago I didn't even know you existed.

So be rest assured I take your opinions of me with a grain of salt.

Mineisgrace:
I disagree with you here. You cannot say giving is moral and still say people don't need to give( since that is what your post is about).
If giving was moral, the world would have been filled with helpers and not greedy people.
People preach giving but they don't live by what they preach. Are they morally wrong or right?

People who preach what they themselves don't do are liars and hypocrites. Lying and hypocrisy is generally deemed immoral. HOWEVER;

You are putting words in my mouth. I never said people don't need to give. I said people don't need to give to become WEALTHY. Two very different statements if you were paying attention.

"If giving was moral, the world would have been filled with helpers and not greedy people."

That makes no sense. It's like saying, "If giving people justice is moral then the world would have been filled with fair people and not unfair people."

Or saying "If being kind to people is moral then the world would have been filled with nice people and not unkind people."

Of course we have unfair and unkind people in the world. Even though we agree that fairness and kindness are moral.

Something being moral does not mean everyone does it. And something being immoral does not mean no one does it. However, we should encourage people to do moral things and refrain from immoral things. As it helps us have peace and progress in our society and avoid chaos.

Giving is one of such moral things. But then again we should not compulsively ask people to do it. Or threaten people with eternal punishment or threats of impoverishment and poverty (like the OP suggested) if they don't give.

In a nutshell, giving is good but not necessarily crucial to financial success.

OP What would change for you if you find out god does not exist?

petra1:
Giving in the house of God is a principles Read you bible .

1 Corinthians 16:2
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Giving to the house of Allah is also included in the Qur'an.

Giving to the house of Zeus is included in the book of Zeus.

So why won't giving to the lying dishonest conmen of Yahweh not be included in the Yahweh's BuyBull?

Why would anyone even take what the Bible says with a pinch of salt? A book that endorses slavery, genocide, rape and misogyny. Do you have the reasoning of a corn dog? If not I don't see why you won't find it uninteresting that the bible suggests giving to religiously protected yahoo boys called pastors.

petra1:
Wrong. Firstly money given in church is not pastors money . People give to God as an act of worship

Secondly the OP was not talking about giving in church or giving to MOG . But the pracrise of giving generally as a universal law. I guess your hatred for ministers of God covered your reading

Tell that to the scammers in suit with private jets and luxury apartments in banana island. Why does an all-powerful, infinite source of wealth need your own money as "a form of worship?'

There's no "universal law" that says giving is necessary for success. Giving is moral and promotes goodwill. But to say that it further enriches one, is just in all honesty, FOOLISH.

The law of subtraction -which is a mathematical law, and therefore an ACTUAL natural and universal law/fact- says that your wealth DECREASES when you give out from it unto others.

Only by aforementioned processes in my initial comment can one continue to acquire wealth. NO man has ever accumulated wealth by giving. Any one who tells you that is LYING to you. Unapologetically. Through their teeth.

And I think it's perfectly fine to hate liars, deceivers and fraudsters who are picking people's pockets with false doctrines and threats of damnation in the name of an invisible god.

traihit:
Alright, like I say to the other person, I say to you also: don't stop learning and please keep your mind OPEN, WIDE OPEN.

Maybe that's an advice you should be saying to YOU.

Take your own advice first.

traihit:
I disagree with the part that says 'religion makes people comfortable doing evil'. You're implying that every religious person is evil while the ones who don't believe any religion is good right? There's something I want you to understand about black man and gods. The majority of humans especially the blacks only claim gods because they have vacuums to fill, without any need, very few people would still want a god. This is why many developed countries have fewer religious inclination. Meanwhile, those who serve a god because of a personal need can never live a moral life because morality isn't what drove them to god, their needs did. A lot of such people are in Nigeria and this is why it seems that people claim adherents to a religious dogma (because of their need) and they can't live its expectations. I am a Christian and beyond what I will eat or drink, I have discovered the golden rule as the ultimate requirement to have peace in life whether you're a theist or atheist.

Edited: I was once on the journey to atheism like some think it is the height of intelligence. It'd be self-deception for me to act like God doesn't exist. That I can't see him doesn't mean that.

Religion makes people comfortable with doing evil DOES NOT mean all religious people do evil. That's you putting words in my mouth and choosing to regurgitate what you beLIEve atheists think about religious people.

You would agree with me that more people have killed and been killed in the name of god than for any other cause. That in itself, is enough, that this belief in a supernatural friend behind the sky has and continues to be an excuse for people to justify their evil tendencies and indeed get away with it.

I agree with you concerning the golden rule.

Because you can't see god doesn't mean it is not there. It also does not mean it is there. But the mere fact that you can't see him, sense him or test for him in any objective way possible says one thing. He most probably doesn't exist.

Heck how do you even know the gender of god to refer to it as "him" when you just admitted to never having seen "him?"

Atheists get a bad rap for not having a "moral compass." Meanwhile it's the theists who have so-called holy and moral books doing the most reprehensible things.

If you cannot determine right from wrong, you lack empathy not religion. We're all born with a moral compass, and it's called conscience. People have been taught to outsource this moral compass to religious books. And that's why we're here.

Religion does not make people good or better. Religion, in fact, makes people comfortable with doing evil.

Stay away from Christianity, Islam and all other religions people.

YorubaKinging:

The aethists invading true religious thread are noting but fools

That weed you keep smoking will end up spoiling your life

You are rebellious against your creator but believed so much in what a scientist says
A man that will die ..


Your life is going to end up with shame, regrets and confusions

And it will be too late

You'll go and meet your fellow lying scientists in the lake of fire

Hahaha your comment is exactly why a lot more people are becoming atheists. I love when religionists use threats of death, hell and all sorts of passive aggressive to trick people into believing.

It says much about you and actually tells people to not want to become like you or part of your religion. When you do this you make it easier for atheists

Juliusmomoh:
Yes bros, , but some folk no go gree

Lol Na indoctrination. God no fit ever do bad na good. Even if he kill your pikin na good. If GOD make you poor Na good. Na satan de always do bad. Even if satan make you get money na still bad e do.

I used to think Christianity was an infallible religion that contained the absolute truth about everything ever possible.

But as I grew older I started seeing contrary opinions and things that just didn't match with what I was taught as a kid.

Then I began asking questions, it was really hard for me to start researching these things because I thought the devil was leading me on and I was heading to eternal Doom.

But I guess the inquisitive nature I have wouldn't let me stay off since they didn't agree with the bible or teachings of the church and they kept showing up. I finally brought myself to think that if god really existed and was good HE would want me to know these things.

If God really was true and good I will still be able to view contradicting evidence and still be able to believe in him. In fact, maybe viewing all the contrary opinions would strengthen my faith.

So I started reading stories, blogs, a notable one was that of hard mirror on nairaland. It was a major point of my deconversion but I still continued going to church and actually became more devoted in church because I thought my faith was failing and I needed to do more for the Lord to keep me.

This continued until I left the university then I joined a Religion discussion group on Facebook and that's where the indoctrination was washed off. It still took some time to finally rise above all that fear of hell of sin against the holy spirit and all that stuff.

But I'm glad I left religion after 20 years. And I'm well on my path to agnosticism.. atheism whatever you call it for at least 2 years now.

The plural of anecdotes is not evidence.


1 million people saying something is true doesn't automatically make such thing true.

We need something better than hear say, "them say them say" regarding these things. Especially such things as miracles.

CodeTemplar:
The case of God and atrocities is illogical because he created everything. It is like trying to sue a potter for bring a piece of cup he moulded.

although your comment is already blown out of the water in my first post I'm going to act like it it makes sense anyway.

so you're saying that God cannot commit atrocities because he created everything.

First, that is an appeal to authority, because you're basically saying "oh because I created you or brought you into this in the first place, then there's nothing possibly wrong that I can do to you." Which is ARROGANT and demonstrably, unassailably FALSE.

It's like parents telling their children because I brought into this world there is nothing I can possibly do to offend you. Which I'm sure you agree is wrong.

Secondly Have you heard of the euthyphro dilemma?
Read up on it.

If anything god does is good, (because he created everything), then it means that if God asks you to kill your kids it is morally correct. If God kills your kids by himself it is also morally correct, after all all what he does is good and he created everything. Such a god would be reprehensible.

CodeTemplar:
The case of God and atrocities is illogical because he created everything. It is like trying to sue a potter for bring a piece of cup he moulded.

While avoiding my questions;

You have not demonstrated that we were created or that if we were, god molded us. So your analogy is a case of false equivalence.

Until you can show that we were created and that God created us, you DO NOT get to use that unproven claim to further prove your other claims. That's highly fallacious and dishonest.

Let's read old topics on Sundays shall we?

Great show. Watch theists, atheists as deists call in and discuss with the presenters.

CodeTemplar:
yes. he judges your actions on earth that's why

While that doesn't even come within a 100-mile radius of a logical answer to my rebuttal, I'm concerned as to

1. Why Jesus would be judge over anyone's actions or anything at all.

2. I should give a fück about Jesus judging my actions on earth especially given the numerous atrocities he and his doppelganger father committed by themselves in the past as the BuyBull narrates.