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[quote author=tpia. link=topic=303335.msg4279543#msg4279543 date=1249066393]but what of the one who shot JFK?

He was assassinated while in police custody.

Politics is dirty, thats all.[/quote]He was not shot by police. He was shot by the mafia. Or should our police be like the mafia?

Hmm.
I think the fact that the North has decided to seclude itself from the rest of the country makes has already killed the regional govt idea. To show the gap between Southern and Northern thinking at least, one ex Borno state govt official was a member of Boko Haram http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=africa&item=090731161920.qtqhn0rh.php

This dude resigned from govt because Sharia in Bornu is not intense enough!

idupaul:
@ redsun
wat wrong with the killing of yusuf
now i no u have neva seen these islamist in action, they are wcked to non muslim thaqt live around them and see em as cockroaches

It puts us in the stone age!

[list]
[li]Catch suspected criminal[/li]
[li]Try him (if possible, expedit)[/li]
[li]Hang him[/li]
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. . .Simple as 2 + 2 or ABC, laws have been followed. What has been done has shamed us World wide, it is a disgrace.

isiegbe:
Our own Nigeria dont even want to compar her self with rest of the world . Didnt you see what America did with most wanted Sadam Hussein. They took time to get more infor from him. The short and long of whole story is that the people who fund those islamist dont want their name mentioned . How can you tell me that its just becaus they dont like western culture . That is why they kill people. My brother they just triggered off what i call militancy

Exactly! Don't we have the death sentence that we can use to follow process?

At least, one ex Borno state govt official was a member of Boko Haram http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=africa&item=090731161920.qtqhn0rh.php

babapupa:
epiphany don hit you ni? whatever happened to all your anti yoruba and OPC rants.

Sorry maifried, we're not into running around inside canoe and blowing up innocent people

I have never been anti Yoruba. However, it isn't hidden that I have said words against OPC for a particular stance. Lets not twist things.
I can even see you babapupa as a MEND general.

Now, in all seriousness, what do you think is the way out for the South. Nigeria as a nation is currently only held together by brute force and misplaced sentiment.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=303703.msg4278952#msg4278952 date=1249059918]last time I checked, Bakassi is in Cameroon.

OPC never said they werent the same as MEND.[/quote]You never heard of Bakassi boys in the Igbo states?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakassi_Boys

soloqy:
You dont know that for sure. The Islamist is thought not to value his life nor that of another. If he dies, whether by his own hands or another, he believes he is going to enjoy in paradise. And the more the pain he suffers before the death, the more the enjoyment and goodies.

You dont know for sure yet what happened. Did he die from gun shot wounds? You cant just come out to say he was executed whi9le in custody.

Besides, the case of the leader dying in custody is not the issue but the unreasonable thinking here that the police and soldiers should allow themselves be killed and butchered before they can *arrest the jihadists* . Thats absurd.

And if you have ever been in the force or have any friend who is in the military, you would understand that when a colleague is killed, there is no way they would protect the perpetrators or the *people behind them* as you call them. Its a more personal issue when a colleague is killed so forget about them trying to protect any body behind the jihadists.

Boy! You are really beginning to sound weird.

Nigeria is racked by bad and corrupt leaders, ethnocentrists and Islamic fundamentalists who will kill even babies.
The adoption of sharia by 12 states in the North has led to the intensification of religious conflict and thrown thrown the differences in culture between South and North in stark and shocking colours. We do not belong in the same country.
Perhaps due to the sharia leanings of the countries leaders, the operations of the police and army reflect the style of Islamic militants. Civilians are killed in cold blood, whole towns and villages are wiped off the map in revenge attacks.

11,000 have died in religious riots in the North. 11,000? And we are not at war?
Why do these riots and pogroms always catch fire in the Muslim North, why are there none in the West with its 10 million Muslims? South and North are as different as oil and water.

Isn't it time for all of the South to join with MEND and begin to make something of our country? There will be no lack of support from the likes of the US and China.

Nigeria's huge Muslim population is a perfect target for Islamists because she supplies a lot of oil to the US and China and the levels of poverty, deprivation and illiteracy in the North are jaw dropping. Aside from the internation disgust we are now reaping; was the killing a miscalculation? Afterall the fools now have a "matyr". We are problably seeing the birth of something really frightful, maybe suicide bombers next,
afterall Police claimed victory over this same group in 2004 and here we are in 2009 talking Boko Haram.

[quote author=mama-g link=topic=303398.msg4278583#msg4278583 date=1249056305]And what is the connection between Osama and Nigeria? [/quote]Nigeria has a huge Muslim population and supplies a lot of oil to the US and China. The levels of poverty and illiteracy in the North make it the perfect target. We are problably seeing the birth of something really frightful, maybe suicide bombers next (afterall the fools now have a "matyr".

The killing was disgusting and barbaric. Here in the West, the stories in the press about Nigeria have turned cringe worthy after all the symathy of the past few days.
What was the gain? Don't we have a death penalty? There are intelligent and lawful ways of achieving goals.

Our army and police are also very good at killing civilians. Should they be shot in cold blood like this? Only jackals behave like this.

@OP. How does sitting on mats or wearing dashiki make people less civilised.
Sometimes, people say incredibly stupid things. In this case, you are expressing racism and hatred.

Sick thread.

Hisses, walks out.

Yes. The man was killed to hide his backers.

His backers are more dangerous, expect a new, revitalised Boko Haram. They have been popping up under different names since 2002.

The Western press is shocked at the way the man was killed. Nigeria has just gone down another dark alley.
If you ask me, he was killed so he wouldn't spill the beans on his backers.

@Tudor. Two things; don't make weird claims, don't mix sentiment and logic.

"Yar'Adua's comments inadvertently underscored what a potent threat the militants and their methods may yet pose. And past experience in Nigeria suggests one military operation, however ruthless, will not be enough to eradicate them. In fact, the radicalisation of a minority of Nigeria's 70 million Muslims, roughly half the population, can be traced back to the decision in 2000, by 12 of the 36 states, to more strictly enforce sharia law. The effects are still being felt. . .

In 2003, Osama bin Laden singled out Nigeria as an area of special interest for al-Qaida's destabilisation agenda and the following year the so-called Nigerian Taliban first emerged". . .

In a later interview with the BBC, Mohammad Yusuf, Boko Haram's enigmatic leader, said he believed western-style education was contrary to Islam and "spoils the belief in one God". Yusuf went on: "Like rain. We believe it is a creation of God rather than an evaporation caused by the sun that condenses and becomes rain. Like saying the world is a sphere. If it runs contrary to the teachings of Allah, we reject it. . .

The radicalisation is mixed with a deep sense of grievance against the south. . .

More here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/30/nigeria-islamists-africa

Evil

naijaking1:
They may be fools, or just criminals. that's how the mafia used to silence potential talking heads.

Exactly!

davidylan:
the gaza strip arabs are NOT victims of the Jewish state, they are rather a useful tool created by successive defeated Arabs to advance their religious goal to eliminate the jews.

Thats a mean twist. What is going on in Gaza is the same sort of apartheid that went on in South Africa, the Palestians are victims of the Jewish state. . . Back to Boko Haram.

Robotnik:
Actually, I think we should blame our leaders for not developing the north but leaving it in abject poverty. The riot was based on poverty and lack of education, jobless youths that have no work to do. After all Saudi is an islamic nation and also UAE.

You've hit on part of the problem.
There are people up North who are stinking rich, but deliberately keep the masses uneducated and ignorant. To make matters worse (or explosive), they ply them with religion so they can be subservient and not question the status quo. Well, some of these people begin to develop crazed interpretations of Islam and everything blows up.

Northern culture of divide and rule is to blame. It is backfiring.

I don't care about his looks or health. What concerns me is the way he is sleepwalking the country from disaster to disaster.

BOMANY:
We, muslims do not claim like others that we do not have problems with interpretation of Islam Teaches, but we should look when that started. It has just started from 1970s. it raised up at the time of fighting the Soviet invasion to Afghanistan late 70s, when Osama ben Laden and similars came out with the lie to defend Muslims. Try to use that thing on your shoulders.

But how can brainwashed do it, even some empty head is giving Gaza strip as a source of terrorism, the symbol of being victimized by the Jewish state became terrorists, have you ever read a book or tried to get facts about the situation there. But what I expect from one does not know in English except one word, hypocrite

Actually, that state and the blindly support by Westerns is what agitated some ignorants like Ben Laden to claim falsely like previous others to say that they are fighting for their religion.

Firstly, I'm interested in the benefits of Islam or Christianity.
The question I have is; what Afghanistan has to do with Nigeria? Why should any Nigerian be influenced by events there or by Osama Bin Laden? Why is it only Muslims in the North that get negative influences that lead them to kill. It is something that has happened repeatedly.

The Boko Haram saga and cold blooded shooting of its leader in custody, would have been reported in Nigerias news agencies as foreign news.
Nigeria would have built a wall along the border for security reasons to keep out suicide bombers.

There would be huge agricultural surpluses, because the arable areas of the east and (new) North would be opened up to both rail and road transport. The same would go for Cocoa areas in the West.

The ports in neighbouring Benin, Togo and Ghana would be in danger of closing because of the high levels of efficiency in Warri and Lagos ports.

Obudu Ranch would become a proper tourist attraction.

The economy would expand to include high tech, manufacturing, services and oil.

The Niger Delta exploitation would end and the people would be seen as equal humans by the rest of the country. There would be no need for MEND.

Fashola will be the first president.

The price of beef would rise.

I could go on. . .

bibiazim1:
isnt it silly and extremely bigoted to view the rants of a few illiterate puppets of the northern elites as the face of islam.do u have any idea how many hundreds of thousands were sacrificed to entrench christianity as a religion?nearly all white supremacist groups support their hatred and discrimination of blacks with authority from the holy bible.should we castigate christianity as a whole because western churches marry men to their fellow men, does that make all christians gays?because a few holy fathers in the catholic church poke little boys from behind does that make all christians peadophiles and perverts?pls be objective, dont turn this issue into a tirade against islam.THERE ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS AND WE ARE IN THE MAJORITY,MOST MUSLIMS ARE PEACE LOVING INDIVIDUALS AND OUR RELIGION PROMOTES PEACE,PLS DONT GET IT TWISTED.

All religion is bleeped up.
But the thing with Islam is that, its extremists alway seem to be very violent fanatics. It has happened several times, over and over again.

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=303335.msg4274807#msg4274807 date=1248990156]Now there is good enough reason and example to "wipe off" any village/community in the Niger Delta even at the slightest provocation.[/quote]You are a fool. There really is no reason for Nigeria to remain a nation.
Maybe you are suggesting that Maiduguri, maybe even all the Northern states that were affected be wiped out? Bastard, does that sound sensible?

This article already exists here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-303335.0.html

MrCrackles:
Really

Wikipedia gives an even earlier time than 2003 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram

The group has benn known sinse 2003. In 2004 they went on a killing spree, the is their second outing.
It is thought that the only reason why nothing has been done about the group all this time, is that a lot of "big mens" children are involved; they don't want to embarass anybody in the oligarchy.

Diversity is detrimental to development. It has been proven over and over.
Clinging to one Nigeria is all just sentimental. We have never sat down to talk about the basis of our co-existence, so there is no basis for the nation. We are really only bumbling from low to lower low. Why force things?
http://www.econ.upf.edu/~reynal/jde_marta_jose.pdf

nex:
@George_D

how will Deltans feel if Ondo state indigenes blow up the PTI Warri in their own show of freedom fighting for the Niger Delta people? After all, the institute is a Federal one.

But do you think it will be fair to the people of Delta state? Do you think they won't look for an opportunity to strike back at Ondo?

I'm not from Lagos state, but the fact that Lagos is the most mature and civilized state among all the rest doesn't mean we should use our madness to put it in jeopardy.

There is no way to justify the Atlas Cove bombing.


Lagos has been the state carrying the voice of the Niger Delta struggle to the entire country and bringing in Niger Deltans to communicate with the entire country and beyond. If the Lagos state government decides to ban all television and radio broadcast on the Niger Delta issue and censor all print media within its borders (which you know the FG will support), how do we get word out?

How do we garner support and sympathy? That is, the real Nigerian citizens from the Niger Delta who are concerned about the situation.

CNN and BBC will not come to stay in the Niger Delta 24/7.

And without adequate media coverage, the Federal government can slaughter 5 militants and 5,000 innocent citizens and NTA will say JTF just completely annihilated MEND. They will dress everyone up in camouflage, with rifles and send the pictures round the world which AIT, STV, Channels, TVC, LTV or MiTV will be there to help deny the claim or refuse to doctor the pictures?

Anyway, like Fashola said, let it never repeat itself.

Bullshit! Ask yourself the clever question; is there anything in Delta state that was built with Ondo money and belongs to the FG? Anyway, you know Delta people don't waste time talking. Fashola made a mistake, which has been quietly corrected.

Stop discussing a patently false list! Lets be serious.
The picture below is from the front page of the website that provided this so called list. It cannot be quoted as a reputable source.
http://www.xclusivenigeria.com/