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biina:
Don't believe everything that you read on the internet.

The Rhodes Scholarship is a postgraduate award for study at the University of Oxford. Rhodes Scholars may study any full-time postgraduate course offered by the University, whether a taught Master’s programme or a research degree; or a second undergraduate degree (senior status), over two years.

Soludo does not have a degree from oxford, and Nigeria does not nominate Rhodes Scholars. Hence, it is impossible for Soludo to have been a Rhodes Scholar unless he claimed a different citizenship.

Also on what grounds do you reach the conclusion that Soludo is the[b] best[/b] Nigeria has produced in a long time? Are you familiar with every economist that Nigeria has produced in the last two decades?

A clarification/correction to my earlier post:
Nigeria used to be (but no more) a constituency of the Rhodes Scholarship, and there have been 14 Rhodes Scholars from Nigeria (of which Soludo is not one).
I apologize for any confusion or misinformation due to my earlier post.

what happened to your prescription glasses?
Try to check existing threads before you create another.

blacksta:
Soludo is the best Nigeria has produced in a long time.  Stop bashing can anyone here do better

Professor Soludo studied Economics at the University of Nigeria, Nsukka, where he was the editor of the popular magazine of the Economics Department, The Policy Maker. He graduated with a First Class Honours degree (1984), winning the Departmental and Faculty prizes for the best graduating student. Also from the same University of Nigeria, he won the prize of the Faculty of the Social Sciences for the Best Graduating Masters degree student and subsequently, The Vice-Chancellor’s Prize for the University’s best graduating Ph.D candidate (1988/89).

Professor Soludo had cumulative four years of post-doctoral training in some of the world’s most prestigious institutions, including: The Brookings Institution, Washington, DC; [b]University of Oxford as Rhodes scholar; [/b]University of Cambridge, UK, as Smuts Research Fellow and Fellow of the Wolfson College; the UN Economic Commission for Africa as a Post-Doctoral Fellow; and University of Warwick as a Visiting scholar. He also attended over a dozen specialized courses.

Professor Soludo has served as Senior Technical Advisor/Consultant as well as a Visiting Scholar at the IMF since 1994, and also taught IMF’s Financial Programming and Policy course to senior staff of Central Banks in West Africa and other developing regions. He has served as: Member, Technical Committees that drafted economic and trade policies for the Federal Government of Nigeria; and Executive Director of the African Institute for Applied Economics (AIAE). He is currently a Member of the International Advisory Group for the UK-DFID

Don't believe everything that you read on the internet.

The Rhodes Scholarship is a postgraduate award for study at the University of Oxford. Rhodes Scholars may study any full-time postgraduate course offered by the University, whether a taught Master’s programme or a research degree; or a second undergraduate degree (senior status), over two years.

Soludo does not have a degree from oxford, and Nigeria does not nominate Rhodes Scholars. Hence, it is impossible for Soludo to have been a Rhodes Scholar unless he claimed a different citizenship.

Also on what grounds do you reach the conclusion that Soludo is the[b] best[/b] Nigeria has produced in a long time? Are you familiar with every economist that Nigeria has produced in the last two decades?

It's shocking that some people in their omniscient point of view are sure that no members of (or contributors to) the redeem church are complaining against the jet issue. I guess some people just know it all.

Back on topic, one  of the reasons that I doubt the veracity of the second publication is that, if  it is indeed true that 5 business men bought the jet in the name of a charter service company, there should have been no reason to link the jet to RCCG. After all, their intention to fly the GO free of charge (which is purported to be the only connection) shouldn't have been public knowledge. So the question is "why the connection?"

The first article lends one to believe (with no certainty) that THISDAY got their original info from airport personnel and likely concluded the ownership of the jet based on such sources or registration documents. If one considers the 'rumors' from last year that RCCG was planning to buy a jet, the first story sounds more credible.

jamace:
Well, it is still sad that you failed to understand what all those who responded before you understood with ease. This may be due to being too critical about simple and obvious statements on your side. I will appreciate you read/interprete statements with  an  open mind to avoid embarrassment .

For some to have accommodated your ignorance and semi-illiteracy, is no reason to engender the trend. It will serve you better to accept correction when found wanting, instead of letting your ego override your sensibility.
A polite request that you simply clarify your position was ignored, and instead you have resorted to wasting your efforts in defending an untenable position (efforts better applied in improving your command of the English language). In my original post, I did give a contribution based on what I felt your original post implied (and not what it meant).
It is bad enough that you wrote something unqualified in all of it's dimensions, worse still is your ambitious effort to defend it. This is what is truly sad.

Assuming that the statistics you provide is true, still people do not fornicate because of condoms. Fornicators are so in their minds and it has little to do with condoms.
A similar argument would be that most people that have STDs are adulterers and fornicators, therefore should a christian sell drugs that prevent/cure STDs?

That aside, as a christian you should not engage in any activity that does not sit well with your being or conscience, irrespective of what the popular opinion may be.

Its always saddening when people quote selected scriptures in the name of defending an opinion or a preference.
I agree that a pastor should live comfortably. Unfortunately, like most things in life, the definition of 'comfortably' becomes subjective.
Those that intend to justify the excesses of others never quote scriptures like 1 Timothy 3:1-10, which is explicit about what to expect from one in the service of the Lord

1 Timothy 3:1-10
Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.

Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.

@maddock
Do not misuse the scriptures to justify your love for the things of the world

It was idiotic of LH to lie about something that could easily be verified. To worsen things, he actually said the truth in a TV interview a few minutes after the meeting with the stewards. The guy needs to hold himself to a higher standard.

and you are thinking of making it 4+ kids from 3 different mothers? baka!

<shakes head & faceplam>

Lets forget about the semantics jare,  'cos the whole thing sounds like something a guy would say to get laid.
Another example: I have sex with her, but make love to you.

The Roght/best Age-gap For Couples = x, where 0 < x < lifetime

jamace:
Wow! From your  statements which I have highlighted, it is obvious that you do not understand me ab initio. For instance, how can ALL africans attend  funeral for an individual at the same time in the same place as claimed by you? Again, how can one man commit the offences in all places in Africa? Also, how can every african know the man and praise him according to you?

My thread is very clear. Maybe, you should have read various responses by members before coming up with your sweeping statements which originated from your failure to read in between the lines.

It seems your problem stems from a poor command of the English language. Your answers to my questions (above) shows that your post fails to accurately reflect your thoughts .

The title of your thread " Why Do Africans Praise The Dead Always", leaves no exception to the rule. You made an unqualified reference to all Africans, and to all occurrences in time.

Your original post makes reference to 'we Africans', meaning your are speaking on behalf of, if not all, at least the majority of Africans. To compound your generalization you make  a second reference to 'everybody'.

There is nothing to be gained from reading between the lines, when one, such as yourself, expresses themselves so unequivocally.

people against arranged marriages, and recommending that the individual choose their partner, implicitly assume that the individual knows what is best for him/her. Unfortunately it is not always the case. The same parents, whom some of you feel shouldn't have a say in the choice of the spouse, will be the first people the aggrieved party will run to when things go south.
Arranged marriages is suited to some, and not suited to others. Stop making sweeping statements like all humans are same and sane.

person wey wan die, jam person we go kill 'n' bury am.
equation don balance!

People go on about "do not judge/criticize a man of God" and forget to address the underlying question of "who is a man of God?".
Those that criticize certain pastors do so on their reasoning that those are not men of God.  It is pointless therefore to use such scriptures to dissuade them as they feel it is not applicable.
Before you quote a scripture in defense of a man of God, please establish the grounds on which the said person is a man of God.

fyneguy:
Biina, There u go mister.

I am not a member of RCCG (Redeemed Church) but I can mention atleast 10 Pastors and/or leaders, jobs they do and other personal information about them and peddle falsehood with such information. Would that make my story true? Even if my story were true, would it make RCCG a fake church?
Do you know the level of immorality/dirty politics going on in several churches that you dont get to hear about? You wont hear about them because most of these churches dont pose much threat to many other churches.

I once met a Catholic Church member who was saying all sorts of things about CE (hearsays). He then said such things wouldnt happen in his church. He was stunned when I showed him some documents to prove otherwise. I also told him it didn't mean the Catholic Church belonged to the devil on account of what I showed him. It's just some irregularities perpetrated by some members and leaders of the church.

Having said these, whenever unsubstantiated allegations are made about the church, why do we pass the burden of proof on the accused? Many say:''Oya CE members should come and defend, '' Defend what? I mean what?

In any case, the more the conspiracy, the higher the promotion.

In the interest of all, it is better if we can clarify that which is false and that which is not.

Hubreality made two unsubstantiated statements

"False information against anybody or group of people is bad and satanic and should not be encouraged in any form. We've seen that happen many times here. No sentiments attached.

and

I dislike seeing these cheap fabricated lies mixed up with facts. Anyway, if anybody so like it, then let it be done to you also. Hahahaha.
This is a discussion forum that should be nutured by truth and not by sentiments, assumptions and lies.

He essentially admitted that certain parts of the article are true (or facts). All I am asking is that he and others help in separating the lies from the facts. They should set the record straight instead of typing BS statements that their lack of evidence are worse than that which they aim to condemn

fyneguy:
Oga, If the characters mentioned actually exist, how does that help you reach a conclusion?

Let me just say this: Whenever CE does a special programme in SA (Healing School and Night of Bliss), there's always a propaganda in the press. For the discerning mind, the reason is not far-fetched. Why do they always wait till there's a big programme? Some Churches always lose members to such events, which is not CE's fault anyway. Much as I sympathize with such churches, resorting to propaganda will not help.

I have made calls, had chats online with many people in SA today to find out what's happening. They all laughed it off.

If the characters do not exist, we can safely say that the article is baseless and false. On the other hand, if the characters do exist, the question then becomes which statements/actions associated with each personality is true and which is false.
You raise the issue of motive, which is of little relevance in the veracity of the accusations.
Saying an article is false, without stating which parts of it are false, and/or providing evidence to the contrary is BS and a waste of time.

Am not much for sweeping statements, accusations, and counter accusations from either side of the fence, rather I prefer we establish the facts as much as information will allow.
In the aim of separating the facts from the falsehood, those with inside knowledge of CE, could you please confirm or rebut the existence of the characters listed in the article i.e.

1. Deaconess Pat
2. Olatunde Oyediran
3. Tomisin & Tolu Fashina,
4. Taiwo Adenubi
5. Dr. Diolla
6. Funi Silinda
7. Dolapo Layode
8. Any other names I might have missed (excluding 'sources')

Before we delve into the issues of if the allegations leveled in their name are genuine or otherwise

No2Atheism:
1. I am not supporting Pastor Chris, far from it, I am a strict bible person, hence i really don't give a damn about the reputation of the pastor or person. All i am concerned about is whether the person's doctrine and lifestyle is according to the Scriptures or not.

2. I personally am suspicious of any Prosperity Pastor and so called Tithing and Word of Faith Pastors, of which i consider Pastor Chris to be one

3. However in the effort to expose false prophets and false pastors, i do not support the use of false information or incorrect information, hence my reason to investigate whether or not the document supplied by the huluwebsite (http://www.huhuonline.com/news342a.html) was true or not.

4. However i noticed something unsuall about the document referenced on huhuonline.com ((http://www.huhuonline.com/news342a.html)),  What i notice was that the document was signed by a Pastor Javed Masih. At the same time i also noticed that a Christian also known by the name "Javed Masih" was killed in Okara (somewhere which i am assuming to be in Pakistan), check the following website (http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,464db4f52,464db52c2,48d5cbf84d,0.html) for reference and notice the quoted information below.

5. This brings to the mind, the question whether or not the Pastor Javed Masih on the huhuonline website (http://www.huhuonline.com/news342a.html)  is the same person as the Javed Masih reported to have been killed in April 2008, from the on the unhcr website (http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,464db4f52,464db52c2,48d5cbf84d,0.html).

6. What date was the huhuonline website (http://www.huhuonline.com/news342a.html) document published.

7. Is there any other reference to corroborate the information provided by huhuonline website (http://www.huhuonline.com/news342a.html).

8. Its is written that we should speak the truth in all things, hence its important to ascertain the authenticity and truthfullness of this particular accusation against Pastor Chris.

9. Above all things, there would always be false prophets, hence why true bible believers should only look unto the Messiah Himself for example, focus only on the bible for study, and please stop buying each and every rubbish christian books that are marketted to them otherwise they would have themselves to blame for being decieved.

I have also investigated the document and this seems to be the Javed Masih of Jesus Fellowship society referenced in the document http://jfsbibleschool.org/index.html

hubreality:
Falsehood will only breed falsehood. If you bear false witnesses against your neighbor, friend or brother. You only inflicted curse on your very self without knowing. This is beyond the concept and understanding of Self, Science, and Religion.

While I am not saying that the article is true, could you please state which parts of the article are false, as they provided a document to backup their claims (see link)
http://www.huhuonline.com/news342a.html
There is no point in declaring falsehood without making a credible case for your position.

There is a similar thread on the Religion Board. A mod should merge the threads.

In his presence: Dad or Daddy
Behind his back: Mummy's husband

jamace:
What evidence do you want me to supply than the official verbal words and written comments on the  register at the home of the deceased?  The few dissenting voices are  never heard officially but as closed door grumblings or mumblings.

So this person that died,
- All africans attended his funeral?
- He alone represents everyone that has stolen money, slept with the wives of others, and killed as many as they can in the name of politics,?
- Every African has been singing his praises?

Your earlier posts assumes that the answer to the above questions are in the affirmative when it obviously not so.
Even then you didn't even provide any reference/evidence (written or otherwise) to backup your single instance of occurrence.
Did you ever consider that only the people that thought favorably of the deceased attended the funeral, and others that didn't like him didn't attend? or do expect his wife, kids and relatives to all speak ill of him?

You are free to express your grievance about any thing, but please do not go about posting sweeping statements about others without providing any evidence to backup your claims

lucabrasi:
r you ok

You should reread your first post and then ask yourself that question.

lucabrasi:
instead of them to encourage the man so that he ll use his annointing to drive out the violent demons and subdue the criminals and murderers running amok in their country,they are planning to drive him out and allowing satan to re open his headquarters that has been shut,not even talking of the taxes the man pays,i really dont know why the man left nigeria in the first place,hopefully he will go back to the country where he is appreciated before they hurt him

WTF

@debosky
dont kill the fun, it was just getting interesting

<grabs easy chair, makes a drink, and prays the rage continues>