andrewza:



apc (MRAPs are just APC don't be tricked by a fancy US name) are just metal boxes on tracks or wheels.

And I am more just advising you all not to celebrate to soon. All we have now are pics.

Exactly my thoughts. Until it stands the test of time before I agree the army made a world class MRAP.

rka2:
NAF SOF

Third pic looks more like the road to KD airport.

jln115:

Prudish?? Not at all, however I know sarcasm when I see it

Anyway back to the point:

The SAn army structure is in fact not different from the norm at all........ in fact its very similar to the structure of the British army which in tern is similar to most NATO structures.

And when I said that APCs aren't "armour" I meant they are not "Armour" by role they certainly are armoured

I would've loved to continue this discourse but I think it has dragged on for too long. As always its a pleasure.

jln115:
now now......no need to get sarcastic with me.

How about a screen shot:

As you can see our APCs don't fall under Armour.

Instead our APCs are part of our motorised infantry battalions......

Pic 3: Also here is our Armoured formation structure:

1 special service battalion operate Ratel IFVs and Rooikat AFVs

You seem to be prudish, if offended, my apologies. Well, now I get your drift. Your explanation is from how SA's military is structured with its hardware which is different from the norm. When you wrote an APC isn't "armour", I thought you were referring to the protective covering on military vehicles.

jln115:

They are categorised based on role, as simple as that.

Armour is used to penetrate conventional enemy defence lines...... APCs on the other hand are used to ferry troops to and from the battlefield, they are to lightly armed and to lightly protected to be used as Armour.....

However the confusion usually comes when there are platforms that can be used either as IFVs or APCs depending on configuration for example The Patria, Piranha, Boomerang ect ect.

But luckily in this case we are talking about the Casspir and Mamba which are strictly APCs.

"In your great and unmatched wisdom" and for educational purposes can I've a link where this categorization was made excluding an ARMOURED PERSONNEL CARRIER as armour?

jln115:

What I mean is APCs don't form part of military Armour


Armour= Tanks, IFVs, AFVs, Anti Tank ect ecy

I wouldn't want to go back and forth with you, but my understanding from your answer is that your categorization was based on the heavy weaponry these vehicles use, which is different from the term armor as used in the military.

jln115:
Armour does not include APCs.... IFVs yes, AFVs yes, Tanks Yes..... But not APCs.

But anyway getting back to your question.

The Mamba has only been in production since 94 and was upgraded to mk3 standard in 2006

The Casspir has been around since the mid 80s but has also received upgrades in the mid 2000s

Can you expatiate on the bolded please, at least to understand on what context you are saying this, because the initialism APC is Armoured Personnel Carrier.

SamuelAnyawu:










I made a post about the ISWAP attack two days ago of which my colleagues ran into the bush, unfortunately some ran and misplaced their ID cards only for the Military to carryout the news that NGOs are Collaborating with ISWAP

Cc Uwaomaokey

Isn't it possible that NGOs could be working with the terrorists? You as a person working with a NGO in the North East could unknowingly be a pawn in a clandestine game going on in that theater of war. Some NGO workers were kidnapped and the only way to keep them alive is the NGO to supply the terrorists with drugs and food before the final negotiations and release of the workers, this here is just an assumption. Coincidentally, at that time that the military closed up a NGO, workers were executed by the terrorist, this is not an assumption. We all know that in wars NGOs play a necessary part and have access to people invloved in conflicts, they are some times also used in subversion too. @SamuelAnyanwu, anything is possible in war.

SamuelAnyawu:



definitely this moniker belongs to someone benefiting from this Insurgency war.

Goodluck to you

You just wrote what I thought of when I initially saw his post.

EVarn:
I will not be drawn into the futile cycle of arguments that has pervaded this thread over the past few pages, I have so far tried very much to abstain from it.

Nigeria is "fantastically corrupt", how much is stolen from Nigeria's treasury compared to Saudi Arabia(where the state coffers is more or less the property of the Al-Saud dynasty), or India where corruption has become a holocaust, or Russia that is a classic example of plutocracy and cronyism, or even the US where corruption is state sanctioned in form of "lobbying" and national policies are scripted by big corporations?. Oh, I am not in any way saying that corruption is not deeply rooted in the Nigerian society,but we make it seem as if we have it worse than all other countries of the world,when in fact, we are doing fairly well when you take into consideration our meagre fiscal revenue and the cumbersome form of governance (presidential with a bicameral legislature) we are currently practicing.

I am of the opinion that Nigerians exhibit too much hysteria tinged with inferiority complex on issues that certainly don't warrant such. The fact that David Cameron called Nigeria fantastically corrupt doesn't mean we are fantastically corrupt, at least if we are to go by the dictionary meaning of "fantastically".

Before coming to conclusions, we should always bear in mind that there are informations we are not privy to,which usually influences the decisions of the government. In the days of President Yar'adua, Prime Minister Gordon Brown offered Nigeria a weapons deal worth $350 million in order to "secure the Niger Delta region" from militancy. Yar'adua attended the meeting in Downing Street, drank tea, smiled politely and nodded his head as Brown chattered endlessly about the British "special package" of military hardwares. He left the meeting and came back to Nigeria to offer the militants an amnesty programme, discarding British advice of escalating the war against the militants. Today, we have managed to pacify the Niger Delta region(at a negligible cost). In truth, Gordon Brown only cared about oil in the region and was willing to supply as much weapons as was needed to support British and American interests. If Yar'adua had towed the line of sustaining the conflict, we'd still be at war with MEND and other groups till today, and many Nigerians from that region would be displaced. In that instance, Brown will say Nigeria rejected British help.

I will be the first to agree that Jonathan didn't handle the BH crisis well and corruption was quite pervasive during his administration, however, in this case, Cameron is simply playing to the gallery for his own reasons.

You are simply deflecting from the main subject which is Nigeria. I'm not concerned about what is happening in these countries you mentioned but they are economically better than us. An example of a fantastic corruption is the ONSA using the north east insurgency as a front to fund the PDP campaign and also enrich individuals. The north east insurgency has been and is still a cash cow for the military top brass. In these countries you mentioned I doubt if all these happenings will go unpunished. I agree that Dasuki has been taking to court but four years after, no conviction, nothing,you know why? Make a guess. Some of them in a different North East insurgency heist, where given just a slap on the wrist and told to return just a little from the much they have stolen. Recently 3 military boys absconded with millions of naira they were supposedly escorting for a major general, where did he get the money from? Did I hear you say he is being court marshalled. Na paddy paddy go kill that case, because they all are in the same league. I will scoff at your idea that "Nigerians exhibit too much hysteria tinged with inferiority complex", or whatever you will like to call it next time. And in all these, young men are being unnecessarily killed in the North East without any one batting an eyelid. Mtcheeeeew.

GabrielYulaw:


First, is not Nigeria very fantastically corrupt? Yes, we are all corrupt and delight in cheating each other. That is precisely why Nigeria is a shithole. Lie to yourself all you like, you and I know what's up.

Secondly, is it only Britain that sells arms? That AK 47 that forms the bulk of our standard arms na from Britain we buy am? Don't the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Egyptians, South Africans and more sell arms? Why the unending fixation of buying arms from Britain or the US and getting these denied and then pointing to the denial as the reason why we were unable to win the war? That is nonsensical and childish.

Thirdly, Nigeria never allows foreign intervention? So, the Chadians gallivanting all over the north east are what? How many times of recent has Cameroon come into Nigerian territory, killed her people and burned down their houses and the government sat silent?

Fourthly, who told you that the Jonathan government was serious about anything except enriching itself? Was it not this same government that turned blind ears to the entreaties of the Chibok parents and manhandled them when they dared to protest. Was it not this same government that denied and denied that any girl was abducted from Chibok till it couldn't deny anymore?

Leave emotions and face facts. We will all be better for it.

I will like to give you three gbosa for the bolded part of your comment.GEJ's administration that denied the Chibok kidnap for almost weeks or maybe months until they couldn't anymore and even after agreeing, they politicised it that it was the opposition that set the whole thing up. Where did you think this statement, "this blood that you are sharing, thereis God o", came from?

Negotiate with Islamic fundamentalists? Yawa go finally gas, you give them an inch, they take a mile. Donald Trump is in a position to tell you more after cancelling their negotiations with the muda fkin Taliban.

Here we go again. Same old shit but just a different day.

EVarn:
Alright, I get your point. Though I still disagree with Sun Tzu in the previously quoted context.

However,to address your question, I,like you, don't believe that this war was cooked up and is being sustained to benefit the government or people in itself.

Nobody is saying the war was cooked up, they are simply using it to steal. A typical example is the dasukigate and it's still happening, maybe not on a grandiose scale. Where do these military guys get hundreds of millions to build houses, hotels, buy luxury cars and also sponsor girl friends? You think the military pays them in hundreds of millions? Oga, there are things that cannot be said here even if you want to post as a Nobody. Maybe until another government comes from a different political party before you guys will know what's going on.

Hahahahahahahahahahahagahahahahaha

Na wa for una o. Plenty Ọlọpa dey here o.

Una dey talk about Buratai, local man no go secure job? And the attack seems to be on the NA special forces.

Toju200:

The Bureau of Public Procurement (BPP) has urged the military that purchasing military hardware from other nations puts Nigeria at a disadvantage.

A statement from the Bureau said the BPP Director General, Mamman Ahmadu told the top brass that visited him that “military hardware purchased from other nations puts the country at a disadvantaged position which could compromise the country’s security due to the fact that the basic technology is resident in the country of procurement, who will be unwilling to easily avail other nations of such technology.”

According to the BPP DG, “building a military industrial complex in order to design and produce indigenous military hardware which will be founded on sound research and development (R&) will reduce reliance on sourcing spares from other nations and thus abate the possibility of exposing the nation’s military flanks to the enemies in the time of emergency.”

He then urged the Nigerian Military to look inwards to develop the country’s own military hardware.



Mamman Ahmadu made this call during a courtesy visit by Major General J.O. Oni, the Director Procurement, Defence Headquarters (DHQ) and his team to the BPP.

Mamman Ahmadu opined that the development of the internal capacity in the military is key to building a virile military base that will lead the country into a nation to be taken seriously by the rest of the world.

The BPP boss stated that the military must look inward to develop its own military hardware just like some other developed nations of the world that have very strong force.

READ ALSO: How to mitigate fraud and corruption in Nigeria’s Public Procurement Process
Mamman Ahmadu while appreciating the efforts of the Nigerian Military in ensuring strict adherence to the Public Procurement Act, 2007 emphasised the significance of the military to any nation, stating that the whole world has benefitted tremendously from military research.

He said that some of the terms such as strategies, value engineering used in the civilian arena “are the by – products of military research and some other terminologies in our vocabularies today.”

Maj. Gen. J.O. Oni in his response stated that a lot of Research and Development need to go into the production of military hardware.

He said a number of privately owned companies in Nigeria must be encouraged to be able to produce military equipment and emphasised that it is not what the military can handle alone. Stating that Research and Development (R&) is key to military development.

He emphasised the fact that even if the government is willing to provide the fund for research to have a military industrial complex, his fear is whether Nigeria has the capacity to be able to undertake the responsibility.

Yen yen yen yen yen yen yen. That's their job description,make noise,visit here and there, sit in AC'nd offices and think of the next scam.

bidex111:
#COIN

I don't even know how these guys do it, in the face of a corrupt, incapable and rudderless military leadership, these guys are still smiling and fighting. Is it the Nigerian spirit or the ignorance of not knowing your right and holding leaders accountable? God's protection always soldier.

Tinfoil:
Why do s. Africans refer to black Africans as foreigners and not people from Europe or China

Why do they complain of black Africans taking jobs and not Europeans or n.americans who work white collar jobs in SA

Why do are there strict visa requirements for Africans going to s.Africa and not Europeans

Why? It's more than an inferiority complex, it's hard to define.

Started reading and had to jump and pass. Writes more like a demagogue.

nemesis8u:

You really got me cracking. Some shit about to explode. Lol.

Xbee007:

Please, what is the authenticity of the statement contained in the picture below.

Cc. Shadowprimezero

"single handedly", Rambo style.

61mech:
So, your solution for people attacking minorities who they (wrongfully) blame for their problems is......wait for it.....attacking another minority ??

The problem is not with the Nigerians in SA or the "Boers"
Those people wouldn't be blaming everyone else if the Zuma ANC and friends had spent the money they've been looting from the country on improving the lives of ordinary South Africans and creating jobs instead of enriching themselves and destroying the country's infrastructure.

Did you know that more dollars leave the African continent every year than money coming in as debt and aid ?
How do you think that came to be ?

Oh! Your leaders are looters too, wait! Hold my beer, have you ever heard about Nigerian leaders? SMH.

EVarn:
Okay, I know this isn't the thread for this issue, but since it was brought up, I can't resist chipping in my own opinion and leaving it at that.

The current spate of attacks against foreign Africans in RSA is as a result of decades of heinously criminal activities such as drug peddling, human trafficking, fraud and so on, perpetrated by Nigerians and other Africans in RSA. Due to negligence and poor policing on the part of the South Africans, the people decide occasionally to take matters into their own hands and deal with those they perceive as criminals. These attacks are not specifically targeted at Nigerians as we like to think, it affects many African people including Zimbabweans, Ghanaians, Ethiopians etc, and I don't like to use the term "xenophobia" to describe what is going on there.

We see a lot of these people dealing in drugs and criminality, the same way they do here in Nigeria and all over the world, bringing in their relatives one by one to join in the hellish enterprise. When it is chrismas period,they go to their villages to flaunt the ill gotten wealth and acquire chieftaincy titles.

While I condemn the destruction of lives and properties by South Africans, I also recognize that these events are as a result of genuine grievances that occasionally dissolve into mob action. We must therefore, call on both the governments of Nigeria and South Africa to form a bi-national cooperation on eradication of these violent activities and their causes. RSA must also strengthen it's laws and policing system to enable the criminals who are causing these issues to be fished out and prosecuted.

This issue is reminiscent of the fulani herdsmen crisis. The same Nigerians who are calling for the annihilation of all fulani people due to the actions of a few marauders among them, will be at the forefront of emotional outbursts and caustic vibrations against the actions of these South African mobs. Now, Nigerians(and other Africans) are being treated in South Africa the exact same way many Nigerians want fulani herdsmen to be treated in Nigeria. Should we say Nigerians are xenophobic?.

It's all about cause and effect. Nobody is mad. Everyone is reacting against a perceived slight. Nigerians feel the Fulanis are destroying the country and we want them all gone, South Africans feel African migrants are detroying their country and they want them all gone.

In short, we should all calm down. Look at the fact and call on the governments to address these issues affecting our countries. Nigerians should not give in to reckless actions such as looting of South African owned businesses and such, we should instead focus on building a better country for ourselves.

There is no way we can use one type of criminality to justify another criminality. Why single out foreigner's? Are there no SA collaborators? Are you trying to tell me there's no single SA drug dealer in SA? Why are those one's not attacked? Why are other countries not doing same to foreign drug dealers? Or why are SA drug dealers in South America not being lynched? Why loot shops owned by these people after attacking and killing them? This paints a picture of xenophobia, nothing more nothing less.

ogeiru:


They manufacture 60% of their car parts. He has the biggest plastic factory in west Africa.

What has plastic got to do in your reply? I'm beginning to wonder if innoson vehicles are made of 60% plastic.

bidex111:



AMEN !

Una don turn here to church?

ugo4u:

I know, I was painting a worst case scenario, even a fourth hand humvees is 10 times safer than a brand new Hilux, or Innosons pickup.

I will want you to know that not all humvees are armoured. The soldiers in Iraq even complained and they had to improvise by adding sheet metal to some of the vehicles.

SamuelAnyawu:



I swear it's just so sad they ambushed three military vehicles. Tho one was able to escape the ambush

3 military vehicles and just one was able to escape? Na wa o.

SamuelAnyawu:
On my way to go and cool off today in Maiduguri as usual for weekends we encountered BH today on Monguno-Maiduguri road and we had to return back. I heard they are still there for over an hour now, i really hope the military authorities can take action immediately.

No cooling off for you this weekend if possible take a virtual brand of beer and pepper soup you like, but I duff my hat for your courage.