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Dear Kenyan28, I noticed you are reading this thread and I also noticed from previous comment that some forumites were suggesting you take up the challenge of Joagbaje to come heal you. Please I will advice you resist such. I am shocked that joagbaje would post a ridiculous video online as proof of a miracle. Both men are not the same. Why are these men always making a ridicule of our country? Kenyan28 I read your story and I feel your pain, please ignore all pastors, they are all fake, Ignore me the day I tell you I am a pastor. They are all interested in scamming and making money off vulnerable people.

Joagbaje: John you know you are not ready for these claims of yours, if you're sincere. Start with the hiv case I posted . The guy works at the oh airport. He did one of the tests at the FEDERAL MEDICAL CENTRE. Not christ embassy medical centre.


Let's start with the HIV case. You can see in the video how sickly he was. Very tiny . I didn't even know he had HIV. I just prayed as I was led and rebuke death. He was the one who came to testify . He tested himself in about 3hospital before and after. He is still alive. Let him get the medical results . John why not Interbiew him and talk with the doctors who handles him . 3 or 4 doctors won't risk their job to create a lie

Watch the video here:.
https://www.dropbox.com/l/zm7qzQm89ZWxuyrDrva8kp

Oh you fraudster. I have watched and studied the video and I am shocked you have the effrontery to post it here for the general public. Now let me tell you fake scamming stupid pastor what you posted. You employed two people to act a role for you - the skinny guy is not the same person as the your testimony lying actor. You are not even ashamed to disguise him properly. Your behaviour irritates me. I have been wondering why PastorKun always attack you but now I know. You illiterate cow. Do you think Nairaland forum is only made for kids? Your desperation annoys me and I also noticed you used fake cheap relaxer on your hair too and also putting on cheap off-colour suits.

Gombs: Sorry dear, it won't work that way, you response to one question might be the trigger for another, this is to check for consistency with your previous replies. But putting them all at once would not only defeat the purpose of the interview, but also will make it clumsy.

My 2 cents

Very childish. I believe this baby here should be ignored.

esere826: are you a fraud?

If I claim to be a pastor and I quote from a book that is designed for the Jewish people and is 2000 years old - probably. If I make assertions that I have a direct telephone line to God and I call him and he tells me all the problems of the world - maybe. If I design miracle shows where I select familiar faces to play certain roles for me like joagbaje did - certainly, if my main objective is to live on the monetary contributions of members and pay a certain percentage to head office - sure. If I stand on pulpits/stages and tell people to close their eyes and pray and that everything will be okay rather than go resolve their issues and if I tell my members that by wearing selected aprons that no bullets or physical ailment will afflict them and I move around with stern looking bodyguards and undergo regular checkups in the finest hospitals the world can provide - then yes.

However, since I am none of this. I feel well damn please to affirm that I am no fraud. Do you do similar stuffs like what I mentioned above?

PastorKun: Yeah I noticed, obviously they were two different people but joagbaje is claiming that they look different cause he was skinny and infected with HIV in the first scene which is obviously a lie.

Shame to joaagbaje. He is a disgrace. Please someone should archive that video so that it cannot be manipulated. I am shocked that a man would reduce to this level of scam to deceive people. Does joagbaje think people on nairaland are those miscreants he pays to stage a miracle and tell false testimonies? He needs to be in jail. He was even defending his act that the guy was skinny due to HIV. I also noticed that the guy who was giving the testimony gave out too much information than necessary. These scam artist, always quoting from a book to support their stupidity, remember that when you die, your punishment shall be worse of. Continue in your act of deceit like joagbaje. I hate liars because they are thieves and it seems joagbaje learnt from the best - his mentor Chris oyakilome.

SirJohn: @mbaemeka,
I have been trying to PM you for a while now. You seem to know about CE ojo and I'd appreciate if you respond to my PM.
there are things I don't want to say on the forum as they may involve some names.
Kindly oblige my request.
Regards

Abeg say them here. There is no need to cover these liars. You have been doing a wonderful job. Please finish it up. Do you know how many vulnerable people who have been saved for these scammers and those you will saved in future?

Revolva: Pastor this man has been blind all his life...some one brought him here last week to be healed and today when you were praying he got healed....the atmosphere of miracle has touched and healed him....

oohh praide the lord....come out...Pastor asked where are you from- I came all the way from Benin to Lagos my sister brought me here....and today i am healed.. from blindness...

Pastor - you mean you have never seen light before in your life

yes..sir..

praise tha lord..

pastor bring out hand his white handkercheif...ask the healed member what colour is this the man said white....Omo na OJE..WASHING....lol..how e take know the colour...all his life he has been blind

OMG you are so damn right. I think I have seen a couple of those videos.

esere826: Just wondering....

so is it not possible for someone to be a fraud and genuine healer at the same time?

there are some lines that are just too thin and can easily be crossed back and forth
Its like saying that you expect rich people to be squeaky clean all the time
how is that possible? even for Bill gates (or at least his Microsoft corporation)?

(someone like Inspired motor comes to mind here. Is he fraud or genuine?. I think he is both)

it hurts...
but mehnnn that's just the way it has always been

Is inspired motors a fraud? Woooow

Joagbaje: You are really very blind .

Look at the flash back in the video again and see how skinny the guy was like a full blown aids. Can you make someone act to be skinny. This is a person who is a staff at the airport. Who mentioned his full name . You must be really blind.

I am disappointed at you. I noticed the scam. The actors are not the same. Shame on you fake pastor

PastorKun: I just finished watching joagabje's latest home video I had refrained from watching it before because as usual i expected it would be a waste of precious MB but i am glad i watched this one cause it provided quality entertainment The actors Joagbaje used in this episode deserve an Oscar for their scintillating performance the only poor actor was Joagbaje himself as i couldn't determine whether he was trying to laugh or cry in the perfomance he put up in the last one minute of the video but all said sha it was a really entertaining comic relief.

PS: Joagbaje looks like a fish out of water on that pulpit. he looks like a reformed and dressed up area boy hustling to make a living.

I have watched the video posted by joagbaje. Is joaagbaje a pastor? Did anybody noticed that the first guy who claimed he was HIV was different from the guy on the other scene (the one who wore a sweater, doubling for the guy doing a testimony and showing joaagbaje praying for him). Is this the height of it all?

We have not seen the last of tB Joshua. He has opened himself up for proper investigation and trust me, swams of journalist would flock into that church for investigation. His Nigerian attitude has beclouded his judgement of how smart people are. He has been getting away with a lot of things because of the nature of our government. I am glad that those affected are foreigners and they value lives unlike we, Nigerians.

Staged miracle to brainwash dump people. I wonder how people fall for these stuffs.

Yomieluv: Some don't know going to church isn't by force. Wonder why some people get up intermittently for God knows what.

I hate seeing people acting romantic in a church,at least if not anything,they should respect God.

Nope. Public show of affection has nothing to do with not having respect for God.

sebali: I am a Christian but I dnt go to church and I kn there are others like me who stay at home on sundays. For such person's what do u do with your sunday mornings.


Me: thats when I wash my dirty clothes and practice my guitar.

WARNING : For stay at home christians only

There is nothing wrong with you staying at home. It has nothing to do with your spirituality. The must go to church agenda was schemed by pastors because they want to eat

Well said. However, with time people will begin to see the truth. But I don't like the fact that most of the write-ups were centered around a particular man, the writer should have captured other awful things perpetrated by Nigerian pastors

Sycophants is the only problem affecting Jonathan. He seems to be a good man but the people around hi, are not his true friends neither are they friends of Nigeria

I just do not believe the monkey and bat stuff. It is a biotechnology weapon and Zmapp the company manufacturing a cure, is actually a biotechnology company. America has more hand in Ebola distribution than the monkeys, bush meats or bats they claim are the originators.

kilokeys: Would China do the same thing?

Naija has always been a playground for politicians


nigeria we Hail thee.!!!

This is funny, but an offence to the state and you can be jailed for this.

CRIME PAYS IN THIS USELESS COUNTRY

[quote author=lomomike][/quote]Why don't you start the poultry yourself. There is a lot of risk involve here

Fashola scamming Lagos since 1900s. Two contractors have been changed on this same road and now the entire project owner will be changed. Ask Fashola, billions has been expended on this project with little result. Same as Lekki-Epe express road.

Barayeks: According to this list every body will go to hell

well I'm not gonna argue with any point you have there because I can't quote bible verses to back my arguments

I remember believing in Rapture as a kid, wondering when the trumpet will sound .... then I grew up!... believing that angels will come down from the sky blowing trumpets on a certain day called "rapture" is like believing in santa claus, its silly .... each person has their own rapture and that's the day they die

Well said. A simple way of explaining it. Rapture is the day you die.

EARN: Seriously; the rate of indecent dressing in Churches nowadays calls for concern. How will your so called Men of God not fall in the mist of plenty.

On a lighter note, a sincere suggestion to the pastor involved please do not divorce your wife, but please marry upto 4 wives to sustain your drive.

A person choice of clothing has nothing to do with their spirituality. Chris was just a selfish man, though a normal selfish man who paid greater attention to his business empire than to his immediate family. I do not blame him for that too because that is where his passion lies. However, what I do not like are the series of deceits and manipulation of words use by him to justify his mistakes and the abuses, whether direct or otherwise, on the wife. Is it better to end the marriage than put a woman through pains for 15 years.

Liberate your mind people and see that the propaganda called HELL FIRE was designed initially by the early Catholic Church to instill fear into the heart of men and keep them spell bound for no such thing exist. The true God of all men, is an ever loving, ever quiet, non destructive, non interrogative, non partial BEING. it took billion of years for the human consciousness to evolve and we are still evolving and changing. In another 1000 years, the biblical references to things will not hold water anymore because of the evolution of the human mind to his environment. My only concern is that if Mother Earth will still exist for another 1000 years because our activities as human is of great concern to the existence of Mother Earth.

your spiritual leaders know this truth that is why many of them are carrying out the atrocities we see.

FACTS - There will never be any trumpet sounding anywhere in the skies except those playing football national anthems. Hence there shall be no rapture. Whatever that would bring this earth to conclusion shall be that of human beings e.g wars, terrorism, aggressive modernization, nature reacting to changes due to human activities etc.

The Christ consciousness has visited this world again even before many of us were born. He visited as Isa and the Quran testified this. Finally, there is no physical or spiritual city filled with fire and brimstones reserved for people who are considered to be sinners. Hence, this is no HELL FIRE. If there is anything close to that description, we are currently in one - Earth.

When we actually die or transit our true consciousness comes alive and we know the truth. We either return back to earth to pay for our wickedness or transit to higher planes based on our spiritual consciousness on earth. HeNce, the famous and familiar word - KARMA. Likewise, there are other living entities on other spheres of lives and sometimes, these entities visit Earth.

1stCitizen: Where you there when GOD declared him his man?

I wonder. Someone was saying kumuyi is the only exception. There are no exception. Just money mongers justifying their action via a 4000 years book in a modern society. How ironic.

christemmbassey: what about Rev Anita that was disgraced and so reduced b4 d whole world by d man who supposed to b her coverage? Sister, stop defending wcikedness, or do u wish what happened to Anita to happen to you?

That's the annoying part of it. Your wife, the mother of your kids. All that woman wanted was for the husband to be part of their lives. All she wanted was love, the same Chris preaches to the singles and newly wedded. 15 years of pains, 15 years of loneliness, 15 years of abandonment yet you go public to condemn your better half because you want to shy away from your mistakes. I don't know Anita, but she seems nice. Only a nice woman will take the crap for 15 years, swallow it and keep pretending like all is going on well. Also, she has not opened her mouth to say a word and I know if she does, Chris we seek the heavens to hide his shame. Useless man.

yelfal: Cant you guys see what is happening? This isnt just an attack on the Rev chris and anita but the church as a whole. In my observation the minister may have handled this matter poorly but we must remember we are one and ultimately have one course (ephesian 4 1:5), am addressing christians here. Its ok to challenge his perceptions on some scriptures but there is nooo doubt and i repeat no doubt he is a man sent from God. Many lives have been transformed as a result of his ministry. If we undetstand the Gospel which is built on love (1 cor 13), we wont tear each other down because we all benefit from the gift of rigtheousness not our works.

Which church. Abel go sit down one place

duruallwell25: Who is a man of God?.... He is a man who earns a living trading goods and services in the name of God. Just because he goes to study a course called theology, he is a self appointed middle man between God and Man. He manages to convince people that their direct lines to the Creator is out of airtime or unavailable, so a third party operator based call is necessary. He is God's voicemail, relaying messages to and from God. He is someone who collects and manages God's taxes on earth and witholds handling charges for his and his family's upkeep by buying jets and living luxury lives. He is God's confidant whom God shares his future plans freely with no one but him. he is d man of God, d one Called by God.......Hahahahaha u can fool some people sometimes but u can't fool all d people all the time. Religion Na wayo.....opium of d masses

The best quote so far

chrisbaba1: Christianity!!! Wow......

I stopped trusting Christians a while ago.
Many of the patterns used in churches are psychology based from hypnosis to cold reading all to one end, profit!! To love God is amazing but not to be rational is deadly.....God gave Christians brains to use, not to become gullible sheep.

P.s most of your pastors are masons so don't be too naive.

There is absolutely nothing wrong for a pastor to be a free mason. What is wrong is deception techniques used to gain material interest from members.

Forumites we must say no to wicked religious leaders, this matter should not be swept away. We have had some many issues and we cannot pressure our government and leaders to do the right things. Please let's put the families of the deceased in our shoes. This is so painful.

Please can we for once leave out religion and look at the circumstances of the case. People are dead, foreigners not just locals (because I know we don't have regards for human lives here) as a result of negligence and greed. A building was extended without permit, proper cautions were not in place. Whoever was responsible ought to be discussing with law enforcement officers. We keeps attracting shame to this country. Again, churches need to be regulated and their activities reviewed. Our leaders should sit up and do something, why are they so selfish?