₦airaland Forum

Scyllapatron:
the funny part is when a victim gets cured with experimental drugs, they heads straight to church and gives money to pastor, people 'in their free will' just decided to be fools.

Exactly, like that America missionary in Liberia who said Jesus healed him and that was when he was administered Zmapp. I really want to know where the pastors are. We are smiling and trying to engage in our normal activities, Ebola can creep back into this country again. Are these pastors true to themselves? If their healing techniques are effective, why are they not demonstrating this in countries affected by Ebola?

WinsomeX:
The reason for the thread is to first of all show that mysticism is not Christian. The second thing I hope to show is that many Pentecostals are guilty of practising mysticism and that this is a root of much errors in that movement.

But so far the responses are even helping to prove my thesis right. Real mystics are responding to the thread and from their posts one can see that they are not Christian at all.

I would like to know the opinion of "elders" on the forum who are Pentecostals, especially Bidam and Image123. trustman, BabaGnoni, Candour, vooks, nannymcphee, SirJohn, PastorKun, Goshen360, Peter007, tgirl4real, frosbel, shdemidemi, etc, opinion are welcome. Hope you see the mention.

We are all Mystics. The chanting and incarnations a.k.a prayer. Kneeling down, altering your conscious mind etc.

Macelliot:
What about Jesus?

Jesus cannot live in your body. What a dumb question. Sorry for saying so but that is the truth.

Ebola is ravishing some countries in West Africa, killing in its thousands. Without any cure, many people are left to die and uncared for because of it contagious nature. This disease is drawing global attention, even Obama coined it a bio-terrorism disease. It is amazing that with the number of people dying everyday, little care is coming from the church and their leaders.

In West Africa alone, we have numerous men who claim to have knowlegde in healing all types of ailments. Where are these men when the world needs them. Where is the effectiveness of their assertion and why are they quiet? What is happening to their healing techniques and the gift they claimed to have obtained directly from their God?

NO, DEMONS CANNOT LIVE IN ANY HUMAN BODY. ALL THOSE DELIVERANCE STUFF ARE STAGED AND SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST CONFUSED ABOUT THEIR STATE OF MIND.

Elantracey:
The letter killeth but d spirit giveth life ,my advice to christian always is never to interprete d bible wit men's wisdom because d wisdom of men is like foolishness unto God ..as God 4 his wisdom and his spirit to be able to understand it bible .. .meanwhile if it's not greediness n stingines wat will make u go search scriptures just to back up ur selfish reason 4 not payin tithe moreover wat is 10% of wat ah earn wen most of money n time goes into d work of d ministry...whether it's right or rong ah dont care as long as d bible never said we shouldn't pay tithe am gonna pay tithe till jesus come ..if u dont want to pay dat should be ur decision only n dont involve others into it instead use ur tym n preach d gospel dere re still many unsaved pple in d world

Then how do you want people to interprete it. When something was written literally, you said don't interprete literally - what this craziness all about. The people who wrote the book, did they write abstractly. If a book is too hard to interprete, it is better to dump it.

vooks:
The bodyguards are just part of the vanity they indulge in, flashy cars,mansions and the works. If you subscribe to men of goD swimming in vanity,then bodyguards should not surprise you.

Negros comparing this to locking doors are missing the point; what is this risk the men of goD are exposed to that the rest of the congregation are not? It is subtle programming to portray them as more important that the rest of the fools. It is carnal 'sanctification', setting themselves apart

I just feel it's arrogance. Trying to feel like a king in a simple ship and to oppress their followers. Even CEOs of multi-billion industry do not go around with many armed bodyguards. I am not angry that they are living the good life but because they expect their members to pray and wail, while they collect, spend and protect themselves. What an irony.

They have started now. Before we know it someone will come and take glory for something he has no hand in.

False news. Heritage Bank is not recruiting. Please ignore.

I'm

rudolph101:
I am a guy that like to find out about people before I condemn or speak good about them, when I had about okotie , I decided to visit his church just like the way I visited Chris embassy and Emmanuel Emmanuel church and I was shocked about what I noticed about the guy, he is the most realistic man I have ever sat under his voice on like the fake miracle miracle / money money pastors , okotie was the only pastor that has performed true miracle in my eyes, giving jobs to more than 20 job seekers that came to church that day via his well to do members and so many other real miracles, like giving home to homeless, in fact I beg you to go visit is church before you condemn him, yes he is very arrogant but my brother is straight forward, today AY is making it big, did you ever ask AY how he started when he was nothing , I was not told I was there, I am not a member of his church but I tell you if that man should let that woman go, there must be something because he loves her with his last drop of blood, just like the way he loved the first wife and the reason for letting the first wife go was because she don’t want to live in Nigeria and okotie wants to open his ministry in Nigeria, there was no way to convince a woman that has tested American life he has to choose between wife and Gods work and up-till now he has never said a single thing bad about that woman, please get married first before you can say anything because marriage is not as it is seen in the picture, you pray to Jesus Christ to save you when you are in trouble and you go ahead to ask the stupid question some unbeliever ask. Why didn’t Jesus save himself? Only God knows, I am married and I tell you I have had fight with my wife but being in the marriage is not by my power but some time I see myself thanking God for giving me my wife and most times when I see the attitude of few girls I almost married I kneel down to thank God for delivering me from such women, my dear be very careful about the man you talk about look inside your own house first, he is just a human being like you just that you want him to be perfect because you think he is superior, to me he is not superior he can make mistakes like me but he is a very good man not like many money monga pastors that take gate fees and do fake miracles

Thank God you confirmed that he is arrogant. Now to settle scores with you, an arrogant man can never be realistic, simplistic nor straight forward. Such man should never be on stage preaching.

honeychild:
Joagbaje ooooooo!
it is too soon for your story to start falling apart na...........you have been challenging everybody to investigate your HIV healing. All of a sudden the man has lost ALL his medical reports?

From THREE hospitals? You no try na.....you should at least have prepared your guy well before you exposed him to scrutiny! And you were busy challenging everyone.....I actually thought your case was water tight this time!!

I don't know why we all are giving joagbaje (a.k.a fake pastor) a chance to redeem himself when we all know that there is nothing he can do about it. It shows how nice we are, allowing him to make amends. Honestly, in my own opinion, I think joagbaje is a guy with less intelligence. First, he makes a recording of a supposedly HIV patient who received his miracle and was testifying and during the miracle procession that same guy looks different. The other miracle seeking patient came out to give testimony (according to my own understanding, testimony is a public declaration of the good deeds received from God) and the testimony session turned into another deliverance session for the same ailment the testifer has already confirmed to be healed from. This same man uploaded the video online and challenged us to contact his actors and when John did, one of his actors cannot find his medical report and I believe he should have three medical reports since he visited three medical hospitals.

Joagbaje, I have a thing for details. I just don't open my eyes to see, I also reason along. I noticed your facial expression when your HIV patient mentioned a particular hospital that was not in your script. I also noticed a man with broad jaws and shoulders, now turned out to be flat and elongated, FYI HIV doesn't affect the physiological structure of the bones. Joagbaje please try to be smart, at least for once. I will also plead with you to stop deceiving people, if you complain about our government what will your congregation say about you in the end. Remember karma for all the wicked deeds you have done and currently doing.

Have we scored yet?

PastorKun:


Is the above quoted the reason why the guy contacted HIV LWKMD

You never hear anything? Let's wait for the response

What is Mikel doing in that starting lineup??

I think gradually the benz market is building. How much?

elipheleh:
ITK. I hate these class of morons who showcase their illitracy online thinking to impress virtual friends.
Dude if you are wise you simply tell him the meaning, and not vomit rubbish.

If you can ask him, he would consult his dictionary just like I did. Okotie choice of adjectives is out of place for me. I do not have to consult my dictionary to understand you else you are not communicating.

If only I can understand what he wrote without the aid of a dictionary

The liquid content is not petrol maybe an inflammable content or petrol mixed with pineapple juice.

SirJohn:
Well Well Mr Joagbaje, I've been trying to get your attention for a while now but you seem to be very busy lately

You of all people should have known that I am never afraid to take up such challenges, as I have taken up a couple with you before even though you tried to make me look like a liar even when the lady clearly told me she was never blind. But that's in the past now, and I have let it go.

Again Joagbaje I had to take out time to question the man in the centre of your ridiculous HIV cure claim Mr Jeff Niboro.
Unknown to you, I have been in contact with him since late last month gleaning as much information as possible; I also contacted Glory Land Inri Medical Centre Yenogoa.

Before I say anything further, I have some questions for you, your answers will determine if I should take this matter up with you on a fresh thread. Here are my questions:

1. Did you conduct a proper interview with Mr Jeff Niboro before deciding to publish the video of his testimony?

2. Before the testimony video was made, did you SIGHT any of the medical reports which he claims to have gotten from the three hospitals?

3. Do you believe that someone can contract HIV simply because they did not give their first fruit offering?

4. If you were a medical doctor and two intending couples came to your hospital for tests and the results showed that one was HIV positive and the other was HIV negative, what would you think to be the possible reasons for this outcome?

5. As a doctor, what would be your advice to the couples in such scenario?

6. Is it in the policy of Christ Embassy to advice intending couples to go ahead with wedding plans if one of the partners is HIV positive?

7. Mr Jeff claims to have misplaced the medical reports he got from the hospitals but promised he would go back to the hospitals and get fresh copies. He requested for my email and I sent it to him but it’s over two weeks now and I haven’t received the reports.
Joagbaje, would you be kind to share any of the reports with me here on Nairaland? That’s if you have them or have seen them at all.


I will be waiting patiently for your answers, you may want to dust your cheque book while you're at it

Joagbaje - A.K.A Fake Pastor we await your response ASAP

Another falsehood being spread so that more members can be hoodwinked

Olajide24:
Hi Seun,
Kindly help post this before today's match between SE and Sudan. Keshi is a friend to pastor Adebisi of christ miracle church mission and he contacted the man of God before the last nations cup and the MOG prophesied that SE will win and we won. However Keshi forgot to appreciate God and believed he did it through his power.
Yesterday, Keshi called prophet and apologised. Believe me , we are currently praying for him in the church premises and we are winning today's match

Pls post this.

Regards,
Olajide olayemi


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Please we need to stop this nonsense. It is backwardness and falsehood. If you do not plan properly, prepare adequately, obtain the right resources you will achieve nothing. We should stop looking up to God to change failure when you are lazy to do anything about your failure.

seagullbabz:
Heritage bank was set-up by some directors who left Skye bank a while ago and acquired license of S.G bank. They don't have many branches yet, and not widely spread like their counterparts. They bought over or took over most of Intercontinental old branches which Access bank didn't put to use. And recently they won the bid to take over Enterprise bank limited...their branches have this lemon-like colour like the new super eagles jersey.

80 percent accuracy apart from the taking over of most intercontinental branches. From a consultant point of view, I can tell you that the bank is an exciting place to work. Do not be skeptical, give it a shot. It is a quiet bank with clear vision and strategy and that has been demonstrated with the acquisition of enterprise bank.

benodic:
@ pastorkun

i am very much aware of true christian giving as depicted in the bible.
but of course man will always be man , always ready to twist scriptures to serve their own selfish purpose.

but don't let it bother you as God have placed laws in place to take care of such acts . whatever a man soweth that he shall reap.

When will they reap all this. The wickedness in the world is just enormous

egbedore:
Any female single medical psychologist here? Or a lawyer. ℓ̊ need to talk to one. If there is any,just quote me here and send your contact so we can talk. ℓ̊ am running nut

Why female? What is wrong with the male counterpart abi you wan straff

How did the brother call him to tell him that their father was initially ill Strange story. I thought they could not communicate with him because they do not have his number.

benodic:
when the blessings of Spirit are given to us without struggle , we don't recognize the treasure that is in our hands.

Harold Klemp
Language of Soul

Benodic good to see you back. What is the Eckist position on tithe?

Wonderful piece, well articulated. Though based on speculations without evidences, the writer did a good job in dissecting the issues surrounding the false marriage of the the Oyakhilomes. Even if Chris did not cheat, I feel the wife should still go ahead with the divorce - reasons being that of neglect. I am glad that there are no rumours of adultery from her own end, else she would have been crucified harder than Jesus.

PastorKun:
Joagbaje where at thou

He sneaks in, comments and run away, while shying away from pertinent issues. He is hibernating for now hoping and praying that this issue fizzles out like Farouk's bribery case. I know there is nothing as a true MOG, but an honesty person with integrity stands the test of time even during questionable periods.

hifaif:
Yes, I know. We are talking about another pastorprenuer cum motivational speaker.

Adeboye owns a jet. Let him sell that first and take commercial airlines like every other person.

Let him sell all his properties and give to the poor.

He does not need to take commercial flight. According to him, the end is near which literally means that the world will come to end soon. Then while still live a lavish life. He should give out all he has since we are all going to die soon. If he truly believes his dream, give out all those material things and begin to wait for the rapture. According to Jesus, it will be very difficult for a rich man to make heaven.

Yeye dey smell. This is the right time to begin to dream about rapture, when $9.3 million is found in another pastor's private jet and yet in another news, a funky pastor is having a huge divorce mess. In other for you to keep your flocks intact and avoid them using their brains to think properly, you sell them the same old fear story the early church has been selling - the end is near. If the end is near for Adeboye, he should not just say it - he should practice it and show it and even in his own dream he was not raptured. Yeye truly dey smell.

SirJohn:
Errhm! mr Joagbaje, I think you and I have something to talk about we may have to go on a new thread for this.
Let me know when I have your attention

I guess I am interested in this personal discussion. Why is fake pastor Joagbaje insisting on investigating a fake HIV case? Alright for once, lets say that fake pastor joagbaje got it right this time and we want him to perform it again. Joagbaje would you be man enough to perform the same craft again? After all, a skilled worker should have no doubt repeating his skills over and over because he is well knowledgeable in the act. Rather than put us on a wild goose chase of investigating your various nollywood actors, why don't you volunteer to heal another HIV patient and they are so many in Lagos with huge faith bigger than mountains Just pick one and lets us watch your gimmicks you prick.

That is how NOI should make the news - achievements. Though we are yet to feel the impact of her presence in government.

lekkie073:
Arch 1, let me tell u what u don't know. Telematch is not a pro PDP. What actually happen was the continuation of an on going tussle between telematch and Bustie/igimu.
On Wednesday morning, Bustie and his boys killed telematch's dog to eat. Telematch got aware of the move and stormed Martins which is bustie's base and threw away all meat. His boys started destroying cars. When he left, Bustie took the meat and rewashed it for further cooking. I was actually called personally to come and have my own share. Around 4pm, igimu entered martins and before u know it, he had gathered his men(kaka, ebiti, danger, spite to mention a few ) and they rolled to clegg to go and retaliate. And so d war started. Eye witness account

Your narrative of the incident is too vivid, the police should come for you so they can get the details and arrest the miscreants disturbing the peace. I noticed you mentioned destroying vehicles, what has the vehicles got to do with their fracas?