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Akwamkpuruamu:
Lolz, see as delawood Saskay use Cross take shine, as she change am for am sharperly

Which furniture?

Kobojunkie:
That one na lie! That is instead the excuse used by those of you who don't even have a real understanding of what it is they are agitating for.. I have spent about a week now tackling views and opinions of those against feminism and one conclusion I can safely reach at this point is that a majority of those who oppose feminism

* have no real idea what feminism is about
* (for many of the men) believe it a threat to their very existence and egoes
* (for females, particularly religious ones) believe it is against that which they have been brainwashed into believing is of God.

Thank you.

It's obvious men don't know what feminism is. Even some religious women.

Thus anything said will result in their opposition. It is hard for the monopoly to be broken. There will be fights and emotional manipulation from the monopoly holders. But it has come to stay, just as apartheid was abolished.

hupernikao:
Criticizing you?
You arent convenient with what you did to others?

Well, this isn't criticism, it's an advice, go start preaching your message and correct your perceive error of others. That's how you will be positive and productive in helping.

When you wear the goggle of a true laborer, it will show in how you criticise others. Many times, we criticise when we don't have our own work to watch over. So much time to be scrutinizing others.

And to think you are preaching by replying or responding to post on NL says a lot sef.

What a diligent preacher. Lol

I asked why you're criticizing me to highlight how pointless what you're saying is. If you're criticizing me, what's wrong with criticizing others according to you? The more you post, the more advisory critical you get.

I consider it preaching in the context of your mention since you wanted me to go to a forum. Isn't this a forum? Did you notice the word was in quotes? Obviously not.

Your issue is that I told you I'm not a pastor. Let the pastors preaching the lopsided message be the ones to correct it from the same pulpit, that's my advice.

Or better still, why don't you do the contribution, instead of hiding behind my posts, trying in vain to criticize me to do the things you have not done?

You're becoming more familiar with each post.

bisiswag:
Couldn't have agreed more.
The other day it was Pastor Mildred. There is so much focus on the women negatively whereas in most marriages,the men mess up so bad and cos the women are now standing up for themselves,they are called feminists n all sorts. Women your husbands should be loved and respected � but he is not your God!
I just don't get and to think its even spearheaded by female pastors makes me wonder how they counsel their sheep.
My fellow Nigerians,a woman standing up for herself especially in marriage is not a feminist. End of story

You've said it. A woman standing up for herself isn't feminism. But try telling it to these people.

if you investigate these females making such comments, you'll find they are in normalized bondage and believe the marriage rests on them, while the "head" looks on or heaps coals on the fire by acting rashly since he's the "leader".

Most marital problems stem from the man. While the wife is submissive, he has never heard a message that makes him a responsible, true Christian. He is chasing skirts or being in authority by being headstrong and difficult. It's easier to look over and claim submission is the cause of his marital woes. He won't remember how overbearing he has been. Later the man will blame it on feminism.

Nigerian men/pastors are so emotional they don't even know what feminism is. They just feel it must be evil because it will take power from their monopoly.

hupernikao:
Bro, hit the street. No one has made impart in others life by simple rhetoric. The antidote to wrong message is the truth. So start that channel, forum, teaching, class and then let's see how you do, if your critical mind still exalted.
. It's easy to type and criticise but to be part of the work you started making assumption and leaving the job for Pastor. So is your own position is to call out wrong message without having any contribution? I pray contribution into your life

I wonder why you're criticizing me. Is there any reason for the criticism? Or it's only you allowed to do that?

How about you take a dose of that medicine you're measuring?

I'm not obligated to preach because you feel I should. The fact that you read my comment here is enough "preaching" done. Or do you want me to become an imam, too?

As for the assumption part, don't think local always.

jesusjnr2020:
If you can't see that the idea of a woman being obligated to submit to her husband is a man-made idea, and not of God, then you may never be able get the point.

The only time God ever said such a thing was as a punishment for the woman's role in the fall of man. Try and read Genesis 3 again.

Nothing like that beforehand for God gave both of them authority over the earth and everything He made in the beginning, but as for submission, they were both meant to be submitted to His Own authority, that is the man and his wife, not someone else.

That's what Jesus came to restore, to put God back in charge, therefore for those who claim to be of God, yet want to keep the woman under bondage to such a curse of sin which Jesus had redeemed her from, they are rubbishing the efforts of Jesus in that regard.

Jesus ought to be the Lord and Master over every Christian marriage, not man, because there cannot be two masters in a home. It's either Him or the man, there are no two ways about.

People saying this probably don't know the gravity of what they're saying talking about women submitting to their husbands, since husbands are mere men and humans, therefore taking putting such an authority in their hands instead of God's, would most likely lead to some dangerous repercussions, because men could be evil as most men are.

Obviously the ego of men, including those who claim to be Christians would make it hard for them to accept this Truth, because they want to remain superior and stifling the woman integral to that.

But whom the Son of Man has set free from the bondage of sin is free indeed, so there's nothing any man can do to change that.

God bless.

God bless you for this.

I've learned something new from this post.

jesusjnr2020:
Don't mind them.

They think it's right for a man to be sexist, and I can't remember ever hearing any sermon about that, but it's feminism that they're obsessed with because of their ego as it threatens their position as men.

Any man who finds nothing wrong with sexism but keeps speaking against feminism is a hypocrite!

I don't know why it's hard for people to learn from Jesus. Sexism/masochism isn't of God. All it does is oppress and raise strife, to tell you that it is of no good value. It seems submission is the only verse in some people's Bibles.

That particular Bible verse is always preached, but the Bible has many other verses that talk about what the character of a man should be like, both at home and abroad. It even talks about a man's ability to provide for his family and how to care for them.

Yet these topics aren't touched while pastors beat on submission year in and year out. These people add and subtract to the Bible as they please, while their members get an ego massage. Dangerous brand of Christianity.

Feminism isn't dangerous when they want their wives to wear trousers. It isn't dangerous when they need feminists tithes. It is not dangerous when they want an affair with a feminist. It's not to be outlawed when their daughters are making career gains.

There would be no feminism if men were considerate about women.

hupernikao:
You don't have to be a pastor to teach to preach. That seems an easy excuse.

Also you have so much assumption in your response since you know what has been preached enough in the whole of Africa.

But my submission is simple. When others don't do what you feel is right, pick it up and do it. Aren't you doing it for God. It shouldn't be easy to criticize than to do your part.

Since you have read the scriptures for yourself and well, help others preach your message and be useful for God to help others see the truth you proclaim. If you aren't doing this, you may be doing worse than what you criticize. No one get rewarded or approved by just criticizing. So start today, hit the street, the media and I will await and be glad to read your contribution to blessing lives than criticizing others.

It's not an excuse. I'm not a pastor.

I'm not assuming what is preached in African churches. Tell me which African country doesn't preach that verse, but it is Nigerians who tend to dwell on the submission part the most. The rest can extend it to men loving their wives and what comes next. But hardly ever the Nigerian pastor. There is no need to dwell so much on women being submissive when there are so many other verses on marriage for men that are neglected.

Because I once read a Bible doesn't mean I'm into religious Christianity. I have read other religious books, but it won't make me begin to preach on them.

If you feel it is criticism, that's alright. Calling out a wrong in Christian religion doesn't mean one must become a pastor. If I criticize bombing and beheading, does that mean I must become an imam? Would that be the only way to tell people the truth? If they feel criticized, then they will have to keep taking the criticism.

hupernikao:
Bro, why not start preaching the other part or better still preach the complete message as you mentioned. The world will listen to you and God will surely be happy seeing you doing his work. We shouldn't stop at criticizing, let's roll up sleeves and work the work. Start today, and daily teach the scriptures and raise disciples who will do the same.

I'm not a pastor.

And from the response to that guys post, you can see how men don't want to listen to him because it doesn't rub their egos. Even if it's the truth.

It's up to the ones who say they were called by God to be genuine and read all, not some parts of the Bible only.

Many men will go to hell the way they practice selective Christianity. And that is going to be their fault for not reading their Bibles thoroughly, and listening to their pastors blindly.

We've preached enough for women since Christianity came to Africa, but when will men preach about themselves? Hopefully one will rise up who will. Feminism is a direct result of men forgetting their true purpose and needless oppression of women, by then not walking in the love the next verses state after the submission one.

milliondollas:
THE MUMU WHO WROTE THIS FORGET TO ADD SOME THING, ABRAHAM ASK HIS WIFE TO GO SLEEP WITH THE KING TO SAVE HIS LIFE SARAH WENT

If what you claim is true, what is the wisdom in such a man being in authority? Can you see why a husband must be questioned?

Forget all the sentiment from men, men will be questioned.

AmazonTopaz:
And who told you feminist are setting women against their husbands,the woman has every right to complain if she is no longer comfortable with the back seat arrangement there is always a room for improvement and modification where necessary.

We all know that in some Christian marriages some men are mere figure heads on paper. anyway e nor concern me. if I was a Christian woman I would never get married

When threatened by feminism, Nigerian men love to express their ignorance through @bolded sentiment.

They are scared to lose their power to subjugate women, just as whites were scared and angry that black men wanted to be equal to them.

Therefore they define feminism emotionally, with so much illogic. Yet they enjoy the feminism of women wearing trousers and going to work to bring them money. They enjoy the feminism of women paying tithes.

Why is it that when it's time to talk about marriages, it's only the women they have so much to say about? Is it that men have no part to play in marriage except bringing money, which feminists are now doing better than them? Women this, women that. What about men? What do men have to do except expecting women at their beck and call?

Instead chapter upon sermon about women. Silly religious people. All man-made doctrine. That's why it's so one-sided. They can never preach about men, and when they do they usually have nothing to say. After all, the pastor cannot condemn himself.

One of the reasons pastors are fake. They can't preach the whole truth without trying to benefit themselves.

Akuruoulo:
It would have been better if you read out those verses they were afraid to read

They come right after the submission of, so it's just a matter of reading on rather than selectively reading.

SimplyFacts:
Sense.

K.

SimplyFacts:
Maybe only your Pastor preaches what you wrote up there. Most Pastors I listen to don't state that only women should love in marriage. Feminism is eating you up already.

Who told you I'm a feminist? Because I don't agree with the Nigerian patriarchy and its tentacles, it means I must be one? Talk about anti-feminism gobbling someone whole.

After Mr Oyedepos statement you say it's my pastor? Behold, the "it's your _______" crew has arrived. How many more twists and turns to avoid all the popular Nigerian pastors who have said so in recent time? If you have one, he will say it soon if he hasn't already. Who said they preach love? They only preach submission. Even men with brains know that.

Jump into another persons mentions. Don't have time for your usual feminism assumptions.

reddingtonblack:
As a matter of fact, do you know views are limitation of angles n standing point, men are logical hence why we see things clearer nd make decisions that will benefit all. if a man hit jackpot today as he thinkin of upgrading himself he is also thinking of a woman. buh give a woman 1trillion she will only upgrade herself.
If asking her to cook for both of us and touching her for sex substitute your own definition of subjugation well my dear i do that alot nd imma proud of it,
Marriage has it rule & conventions that regulate both to M & F, if as a lady you feel tew big to adhere simply avoid it, kó fa íja naw. moreover feminist are alway out to tell us there life is perfect, what i don't understand is why they still want men(scum) in there perfect lives. stay off marriage these be una final warning

If I read a word of that, I'd be lying to you.

Can't read anything from a semen leaking being. Grab your animal skin, luv, twill help you lead better.

Do well to tell your daughter whatever you typed above. It will affect her and define her state of being female. Save your future responses for her, because that's who it applies to and who will read it. And if you don't, one moronic, sexist, least IQ red pill sheep will help do so.

Meanwhile, it doesn't concern me, not in the least.

Love on a game show? Lust magnetism.

jesusjnr2020:
One thing I have observed from most men who claim to be of God, is that they are sexist but they obviously have no grouse with that because they think is their right to be so, but the woman has no such right.

It's really shameful when I see how they fail to emulate the ways of Jesus who on several occasions defended the rights of the woman from her oppressors as the Pharisees.

Today they are they remind me of the Pharisees much more than Jesus.

They want to keep her in perpetual bondage to man, not know that the saying in the Bible that man shall rule over her was a punishment for her role in man's fall, hence it's no longer valid, because Jesus her redeemer upon His death has broken the yoke and bondage of sin over her life.

That's how they'd make sexist rules such as "a woman shall keep silence in the church and not speak" among such they do to stifle her, but thank God, God is not man, so He doesn't follow the rules of men, but His, hence He would make some women not just to speak in the church but to lead some of the most powerful churches in recent history as a certain Kathryn Kulman.

I chose to align with God's plan and intentions for the woman just as my Master Jesus did so that I would not find myself going against God.

God bless.

Thanks for your contribution.

Religious men can be really oppressive in matters concerning women. Most men and their pastors need to read their Bibles thoroughly, not only the places they like because it supports them, but even the most hidden reaches. Most women in such unions are miserable.

I'm always surprised to see that pastors read their Bibles and stop on that verse, and never go beyond it. Is it that loving ones wife isn't important? Isn't it as much a commandment as they feel the submission verse is? The men who refuse to read beyond that are in the same danger they feel women who aren't submissive are.

This is one of the reasons I stopped listening to pastors. They are too lopsided in their reading and interpretation of the Bible. Most of the time it is because it tickles their fancy.

reddingtonblack:
Regardless of what adam n eve did, have you ever wondered why Adam took a larger share of the curse, perhaps to whom much is given much is expected. man did not decide to be the head, God made man the head, adam did not ask eve to submit, it was all God's idea.
Redpill is not a movement to re enthrone men, its a mere wake up course to sensitize n brace men from manipulations, more like preventing occurence of what eve did to mankind.
should in that context denotes "no choice"... as an emotional thinker i don't expect you to know " submissive is non-negotiable".
Men don't have to fight to subjugate women last i check we are the one, women run to for job, protection, financial security & urgent 2k .... the number of male CEOs are incomparable the female ceos so we own ur asses, what is real not attainable is women is the future cos out of five letters we own three.
I don't have to subjugate my babe, as long as i keep it real n stay a MAN she follows me lead.

What a limited world view.

Women don't "run" to men for jobs. You kept women out of modern jobs for a century for archaic purposes and filled all the roles, not because you were competent but because you were men and thought less of women. Tell us what would happen if women made sure men stay at home for centuries, and men suddenly had an opportunity to get jobs; wouldn't they be "running" to women for jobs?

There's no point discussing with you on any other things you raised, because you are coming from the usual angle of men, which doesn't make much sense under scrutiny.

And, if she begins to earn more than you, you will be saying something else and unable to follow her lead.

We all know you're subjugating her one way or another with the type of mindset you bear about women. Another narcissist who claims he's leading.

Once you cannot level up to the thinking plane, you self acclaimed real men fall back on your red pill talking points: emotional beings, control and coercion, menstrual beings, weaker vessels, etc

Get a daughter and tell her those talking points. If you don't, one ignorant, sexist, moronic, least IQ red pill sheep will anyway.

reddingtonblack:
Perhaps if there are no women to start, life would av being easy as garden of eden, that is like having everything n going about our cripto business nake without clito messing it up.
There can never be two captains on a ship, asking women to stay women benefit women more cos that is there only ticket to staying onboard. men don't have to do anything to stay above women nature already guarantee. rolling down ur winds to warn a danfo from scratching ur benz is not a msg to prove boss or superiority. baba oyedepo is doing feminist a favour, tonto almost landed in yabaleft, linda ikeji her voice cos. she could not keep her danfo from marriage lane. stay away from marriage.
Redpill are men going there way there is no point advising them to stay clear marriage .. think

Yet it's the curse of Adam. Because he wasn't innocent.

Always this talk about two captains on a ship. If you don't want to be ruled, who told you women want to be the ones ruled?

If men don't have to do anything to stay above women, why are they crying the red pill everyday? Why are they crying from the pulpit? Why are they quoting their Bibles to enforce subjugation of women? Why all their antics to stay on top? Why the hatred and fear of feminism, something they don't even understand? Why are they scared to let women be? Why is their only message against women? Sounds like they actually do have to do something about women constantly.

Admit it. The Bible says that women should be submissive. It never said that women WILL be submissive. Can you see where men, even the ones on pulpits have gotten it wrong? And that is why men will always be insecure, fighting to subjugate women by all means. And it's not working any more, either.

Even after this your post, you will still be scheming how to subjugate the woman in your life. It's a man thing. When she doesn't conform: war.

Or quoting the Bible in vain.

pocohantas:
I can’t be bothered anymore. They are always wailing. Don’t date/marry feminists, single mothers, non-virgins, nurses, undergraduates, graduates, evening newspapers, women raised by single mothers, Edo girls, Igbo girls, Yoruba girls, Nigerian ladies in the diaspora, fair ladies, short ladies, ladies with forehead, ladies with agbalumo breast…

Omo! Steady wailing. Abeg!

LMAO.

And yet after posting, by 12:01AM today they will be thirsting after the same women and running from brothel to pornhub. By 08:00AM, women are this, women are that. Cycle continues. Their daily bullshit.

pocohantas:
Irreligious men are my spec, they deal with facts and figures. That is not to say I have any problem with religious teachings, though I would never understand why the Nigerian man’s favourite part is submission. You fornicated your way into a marriage and suddenly remembered submission. I really can’t deal with such hypocricy, so I chose to be an antichrist . They can sort themselves out with their church sisters.

It's the only verse in the Nigerian man's Bible. They never read the next verses. It's his sure path to heaven. Once that verse is violated, hell becomes real.

After policing women, most of them are empty.

While policing women many of them are going to hell in the hand basket of the red pill etc. They never preach about those ones, because it helps them oppress women.

TWLifestyle:
Iv not seen anything that can make naija men emotional like feminism and feminists . Lol

TRP and MGTOW, bro. Two emotional male cults.

pocohantas:
One minute it is feminist, the next minute it is Nigerian girls that are entitled oloshos and unmarriageable. They must always pick out a set of women for their onslaught.

Give them a week and they will be on another thread telling you how they can never marry religious women and/or women who call their pastors “papa”. This of course would include the women Oyedepo is grooming. I have no time for nonsense abeg. Marry your non-feminist wife and have peace. Make we see less wailing on this Nairaland.

In all situations, if men don't blame women, they will lose everything. Imagine the other religious one saying women are tools for the devil, a devil who is known to be male. If the devil had any female appellations we wouldn't hear the end of it. All these religious men, hiding their massive failings behind women, constantly absolving themselves of any responsibility because of the story of Eve, someone dead from millennia ago.

Castigating females is how their relationships gain meaning. More messages preached by men to keep themselves above women.

No message for the toxic red pill. It's only feminism that's their headache. It tells us how real these people are.

The ironic thing is that some men are feminists.

Theicecode:
Linda ikeji is a case study, she deceived our young dumb girls with feminism and still went to steal a rich guy's sperm lol

Feminism doesn't mean she doesn't want a child, just as redpill-ism doesn't mean the man doesn't want a child.

Ijaya123:
Who still listens to Feminists? Maybe those who want to end up frustrated and devastated.

Oyedepo was right anyway. You cannot be a feminist and still be practicing Christianity. What both preaches are at variance to each other.

Simply put, if you’re a feminist, dont marry.

What is feminism, and what does it have to do with marriage?

Most men, even the pastor, don't seem to know what feminism is. It has nothing to do with the definition that Nigerian men have given it. He should stick to what he knows about. His wife could be a suppressed feminist even.

Tayomi37:
Debby why did you do this? You don't even think about what Mummy (My sister) and your senior brothers passed through to make sure you get to this level. Failure is not the end of life. You just distablized the entire family through this ignoble action. Debby was a good caterer that one will earn her a living. So so sad

Sorry about that, sir. Take heart. Our thoughts are with you during this trying time.

Nothing can replace her, but she was going through some struggles she felt nobody could help her with. We can't tell why she didn't come to you for help, but we know that you cared deeply for her.

Wishing you more strength and stability.

Klass99:
Smiling then Lol

This was absolutely an apt analysis and an enjoyable read too, I like.

21 kisses to you

And by the way, you write very well.

Thanks, and 42 kisses your way.

You will always find that woman who wants to say she's not bias, irregardless of cold evidence, so she stands on the pedestal of bias throwing stones at women while conveniently ignoring the antics of men.

Having posted what I have on the thread, I believe it's time to leave it for the defenders.

mariahAngel:
First of all, stop with the name calling. I don’t tolerate that from anyone.
Secondly, I still don’t get why you feel attacked?
Go read my first post to you again...

K

mariahAngel:
I quoted you because those words of yours included my brothers. And I had to let you know it isn’t true.

Hypocrisy? You can think whatever you want.

Attacking women?
Did you feel attacked?
Na has only women you don see me oppose?

And their own words didn't refer to you via your gender, defender of men in absentia?

You went from page 1 through all the posts and you could only stop at mine to peddle falsehoods?

Your words are hypocritical. Only a hypocrite with an agenda could operate the way you do. Tell yourself the truth.

Bye Felicia.

mariahAngel:
If that isn’t general condemnation of Nigerian men who grew up in Nigeria, I don’t know what is.

I



E no dey hard una na!

After generalizing and spreading falsehoods about me, what does that say about your agenda? Why do you conveniently ignore that part? Why did you quote me out of all the posts on the thread?

You couldn't tackle the men who made their crude posts, are you only powerful when it's time to attack someone you feel is a woman?

If that false claim you made about me doesn't scream about hypocrisy, I don't know what else on this thread does.

mariahAngel:
If you’re not interested in them, at least don’t condemn all of them.
For all we know, you could be one of the foreigners who hide under the guise of being a nairalander to spread hate for and condemn Nigeria and Nigerians in total.
Them plenty for this platform.

How is the truth condemnation? Such deflection is what makes them get worse and worse.

Maria, you're free to make any assumptions you wish to about me. However...

You don't want me "generalizing and spreading falsehoods", about Nigerian men, or so you said initially, while you go ahead to do exactly that about me.

Says a lot about your agenda.

mariahAngel:
You’re not totally right.
There are good and bad men (people) in Nigeria, just as there are everywhere else in the world.

You need to meet the men (people) I know.

Well, there's no doubt there are some good people(hopefully) in Nigeria.

I'm not interested to meet any more Nigerian men. The more one interacts with them, the more one withdraws from them.