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Amujale:
You're mistaken, its 'paradise' that is fictitious.

'Paradise is a false adaptation of African intellectual property.

I dont know why you choose to completely misconscrue what you read?

What is your aim here?

The paradise that I told you is the peace of my mind, and that England means when they say "England's green & pleasant Land", is fictitious? Are you also saying it is not fictitious because it is "African intellectual property"? Sounds rather contradictory to me, I must say.

You do know that "fictitious" means, "not real or true; imaginary or fabricated", and "occurring in or invented for fiction", right? So explain to me how a fictitious paradise can be anyone's intellectual property please.

As for my aim, Amujale. Understanding. To be understood and to understand, is my sole aim here and everywhere, as you ought to know by now. So do kindly show me what I might have "completely misconstrued" so I can correct any misunderstanding I may have.

There! buda is now the Africa coloniser!

Please know that buda is a fan of taxation. If you live in Africa or are related to Africa in anyway, pay your tax to buda please.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus also said something like "If you have seen me, you have seen my father"... Do those same believers repeat the very same claim of their person?

There is even a warning in the book of Jude(yeah, he was a disciple of Jesus Christ), clearly warning them to desist from such acts. It is in their God Book.

Sometime ago, and for a long time [url=https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=spanking+brand+new+red+Ferrari%2C&search=Search]I believed I had a million pounds in my bank account and wanted to buy a spanking brand new red Ferrari with it[/url]. Unfortunately, for me, no Ferrari salesperson would accept the one million pounds I believed I had for a spanking brand new red Ferrari, so I gave up and now walk and get the bus.

Believers believe whatever they want to believe. That does not make a belief valid. The God book even has it written in it that demons believes, and last time I checked, God would not exactly want anyone emulating demons.

Please see here where it is believed that the earth is flat and made of swiss chese. "It is", I assert, "because it is believed!"

Now, regarding Jesus and his, "If you have seen me, you have seen my father". Are you aware he is also written to have said, "In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Does that not explain what he might have meant by "If you have seen me, you have seen my father"? In fact, every follower of Christ should make that claim, but they must first ensure their fruits match.

If you can be specific about your reference to Jude, I am very willing, for while I cannot attempt to provide you with empirical evidence for a God, we can at least accept we both can read a book and learn.

orisa37:
God wants NIGERIANS to engage in a war against the INDISCIPLINE of The Fulanis. Our God is wise.

God is indeed wise. It's you that I have doubts about.

Does your God, in whose book it says, "remove the forest from your own eye's first", want you to go with your blindness to remove the twig in the eye's of Fulanis?

If you bothered to read, you'd see I followed the person I responded to to USA.

And I never said FG would go broke, because FG can always tax your income for money FG needs, and even if you do not earn an income, as long as you buy anything there's always Vat for FG.

Please read before responding.

SLAP44:
Do you even have to go as far as USA to pull your example? Peter Obi left up to $75m in Anambra coffers plus many investments that are still yielding profits till today. He didn't have to tax his subjects to business death before he gave us a better life.

So stop telling us that if oil dries up the FG will go broke, but then again, knowing the kind of illiterates you support to sit in your government houses, I am not surprised to hear that you have oil as your only option.

That's why I think this country is not going anywhere if we continue to share the same country with people who have no other options than to retain their oil feeding bottles or starve to death.

MetaPhysical:
Great! I admire your sense of duty and civic responsibility to the homeland.

All Ibos should follow your model and humble themselves to learn from what you shared. Not paying tax is not cool and is not something to beat chest about.

Why only Ibos?

SLAP44:
I am sure you didn't know that there are parts of this country where citizens build their own infrastructure? Give government like the FG same money and we will hear stories.

I think you are too lazy to read. You have clearly shown you speak without considering the evidence before you and I'm therefore considering it a waste of time engaging you but shall wait till you've proven conclusively whether you can read or not.

budaatum:
I'm from Osun State. I pay tax on my income there and also where I live, which is not in Osun State.

I get an annual record of expenditure from the tax authority where I live. And tax I pay on what I earn in Osun State is seen spent where I pay it, as minimal as it, is since my state is rather incompetent in tax collection as seen by our very low IGR.

And since my state is incompetent at collecting tax, I tax myself on my state's behalf and spend it on behalf of my local authority and keep records of my self imposed taxation.

To be honest with you, I think my state is afraid to tax me properly since they see what I spend my self imposed tax on.

Kobojunkie:
According to the Bible, believers are not even supposed to say that!

Believers might not be supposed to say that, but those who understand their God book would have learnt from the person who's name the religion they claim to follow came from.

orisa37:
Trump is more enterprising, more cost conscious and more growth orienting than Obama. He is also more Patriotic.

If you believe so, good.

orisa37:
You mean you have not seen why God chooses BUHARI, a Miyetti Allah FULANI HERDSMAN for this purpose?

What I don't see is whether you'd agree that God chose Buhari to be your President. But if you do, good, and I agree, though, in truth, we the people elected him ourselves.

tintingz:
Well, the OP asked for empirical evidence before he can be convinced Yahweh exist. Which is very valid.

Not quite! Op can ask, of course, but any knowledgeable Bible reader would tell op to get behind them satan, for it is very clearly written, that "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image", which is exactly what empirical evidence is. And the reason thou shalt not is because any graven image is clearly not God.

The pity here is some Christians don't mind disobeying the God they merely believe in and are easily led to sin.

EMILO2STAY:
pls Mr wise man, explain how the coriolis effect can displace bullets due to the earths rotation. But would not displace a rokect flying to a space station? Moving at over 17000mph.? If bullets are displaced by the earths rotation, then helicopters can just hover in the air till its destination comes to it. How stupid can you people be? How does an air craft flying east gets yo its destination if the earth is moving at 1000mph while the speed of a commercial aircraft is about 500mph.? Pls give me an answer to these and call me dumb other call yourself and your family dumb if you ignore.

Do even even have an idea of what 17000mph is?
Do you guys even use your head or you just wait so that someone will use it for you.

Might them not for they can't possible have heads, just brains waiting for a head coming at them at 17000mph.

tintingz:
Yes. They don't force people reason they ask for what you believe in, if you have no belief, you use the constitution. This just a systematic idea and protocol not empirical evidence for God.

How na? Did he drag you inside this thread and force you to answer?

There is no empirical evidence for God, tingz, as I have told you repeatedly in the past. It is why God people believe in their God. If they had empirical evidence, they'd know instead of just believe.

And since you yourself are not dragging me inside this thread nor forcing me to answer you, I can very well ignore you when I wish to, though I shan't because I do not want to since it interests me that the op even bothers to be asked to be convinced.

tintingz:
Lol. They didn't accept the existence of God but tolerates people's beliefs they hold very dearly, so you swear with what you believe in, you can swear with the constitution if you're non-theists.

So, basically, whether God exists is up to the swearer, right? After all, it's not like they force anyone to swear in court with God.

tintingz:
As for the last paragraph, lol did he force you with knife?

No, not with knife, and not that he can. But he does seem to have a sense of entitlement as if he is owed.

lawani:
because a taxed economy is organised,formal and have MINIMUM WAGE, it tends to be an immigrant worker destination. This is why workers relocate from Nigeria to Europe and the United States. However businesses tend to move to low tax countries if there is infrastructure in the low tax country. This is why the United States lose business to China. The best way out is to formalize the whole global economy and take tax everywhere with no exception.

I wonder how you plan to have infrastructure if you have no tax to pay to build it.

OruExpress:
But the cold war you want to create around government revenue is not going to benefit you in the end. I live in the US. This new fixation on tax as progress won't hurt me at all. But I'm in a society that has had a healthy regular tax culture for 400 years, and you cannot bring up the proposal that the tax revenue of a state is a measure of it's economic health because it is well understood as ignorant with the examples given.

OruExpress, for someone who lives in the States, I'm rather surprised at your attitude to tax.

Governments have no where else to get money from except from tax. And unless you do not want any of the things that tax is spent on like roads, public schools, and regulatory authorities, I wonder where you expect the state to get it's money from? Do states in America rely on allocations from Federal Goverment like ours do? You must wonder how such states intend to survive when a barrel of oil drops, or when the little they do collect dries up due to Covid-10 lockdowns, as we are currently seeing.

Below is an article about some states crying for money already because their IGRs no more cover expenditure. And if I lived in those states I'd expect taxation to go up, so I'd be planning to migrate elsewhere.

budaatum:
Republicans wake up and say, No More Socialism!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11658115_20200603131827963_jpeg_jpeg6177e95d484b1b9585eb5130e7a9a0d5

SLAP44:
They want their IGR to be higher than Lagos own by fire by force.

By being smart and intelligent, is how I see it.

OruExpress:
Confusion as Osun govt secretly increases tax of informal workers by 130.5 per cent

https://dailypost.ng/2019/11/26/confusion-as-osun-govt-secretly-increases-tax-of-informal-workers-by-130-5-per-cent/

That's my stupid state for you! No wonder we have only few companies there.

If only we could go learn from more intelligent Ogun State. Though, in what you posted, Ademikanra said: ”I don’t know what you mean by over 100 per cent increment on tax meant for informal workers. How much are they paying before, how much are they paying now?"

OruExpress:
Alright so you're premising what you're saying on companies leaving high tax areas. As in, if you over tax (or double tax when it comes to Nigeria) companies will relocate.

It is already happening. Ogun's economy is based on companies no longer being able to afford to stay in Lagos.

Well done to Ogun State for encouraging companies to come to them. It's sure what I'd have done too if I were collecting tax in Ogun State. My people will have more jobs and might vote for me again to my delight. And hopefully, I could do even more for my Ogun State so even more companies come there and more of my people get jobs so I can tax them as well and increase my IGR even further and make my Ogun State the most desirable state to do business in.

Lagos does have an advantage however. It's close to the port so reduced transport of your goods and raw materials might attract you. Large population so easy access for you goods might too, and so on. And it has disadvantages. Your trucks will be stuck in Lagos traffic for instance so your fuel cost and truck maintenance go up, and you might need to pay higher wages to your staff to compensate for the high living cost in Lagos.

As I said, you, company owner, is smart and intelligent, so can decide which benefits you more. And I, despite being perhaps slightly less intelligent than you are can at least look to my self interest to determine the tax rate that would at least get you to do your business in my state so my people get jobs and improve their lot and vote me back in to the Ogun State taxing authority so I can have more time to do much more for my people with the increased IGR I collect through tax, all because my tax rate is lower than that of Lagos and competing states.

Immortalel:
Thanks for your response sir. But the one they’ve is for the month of MAy. Can I get the June own?

Sorry, but that's all I found. I'm sure they'll put June's there eventually though.

MetaPhysical:
Have you ever read " The People's Republic", written by Chief Obafemi Awolowo?

What you narrated in that post about the way you handle tax is a billboard post about social contract and civic obligation to home country.

It is a model to mentor Ibo tax evaders about their duty to their homestates.

No, never read Awolowo's "The People's Republic". I do know of my own social responsibility however, and its a motivating force for me.

I come from an obligated family. And I'm just doing my duty, according to family traditions.

OruExpress:
I think taxation is something new to young Nigerians and many of the people on Nairaland are wards of their parents. These elements mixed creates a strange environment for taxation conversations so I don't know where you can I can go when I just gave you the math to tell you that IGR and revenue don't correlate as much as tax rate and IGR correlate

Now that I got your time. Tax is a people influencing thing. If I tax you your hard earned money, you would, or at least, should, be concerned with what I do with it. If I'm out there spending your money I have taken as tax on olosho, I am very certain to piss you off. And if you are not spineless, you would most likely campaign for my opposition so I get kicked out and can tax you no more. But if I spend your tax money fixing roads so your trucks don't get damaged by potholes, and pay police to protect you from bandits, and I use it to build schools to educate those you might want to employ so your business can grow and you employ more of my people, you are very likely to invest more so you generate more income that I can tax and thereby increase the IGR of the taxation area I am in charge of. And the people you employ that I spent your money educating will vote me back into office.

Now, assume I tax your factory at a rate of 50%. You probably pay 10-15% in labour cost, and perhaps 10% for raw materials, and perhaps another 10% on energy costs, and depreciation might take another say 5%, and let's say 5% goes on interest on capital for your business, leaving you with a measely 10% profit at best. Do tell, you being smart and intelligent and hardworking, why would you not pack up your factory and go where you are taxed much less? And how much IGR will I get from you once I have chased you away with my greedy 50% tax?

Low tax rates encourage businesses to stay, is what has been found the world over, all other things being equal, and the more businesses there are, the more I am likely to be able to collect as tax, is the point here, and not that high tax equals high IGR, as you seem to be implying I am inferring, which I am not.

MetaPhysical:
Patriotism! Accountability! Social progress!

Budaatum, open a new thread and post this there. We need to discuss your response thoroughly. This thread you are posting on does not do justice to what you just shared bro..

Copy me on the thread.

Lol! This may sound corny but modesty won't let me, and just reading this makes me blush.

orisa37:
He is exuding Wisdom in the Management of American Business and forward progress as it should be.

We definitely have different ideas of what should be called "Wisdom in the Management of American Business and forward progress", and bankrupting a nation would not qualify in my own book.

Dtruthspeaker:
It's you who asked a question, we answered. Now you have carried the Goal Post away to say that we are the ones who made a claim when it is You who is challenging us with a Question and we have given you a Shoryuken Answer and you are now K.O on the Ground, cos you know your question is Dead Already

See us see trouble o! Its why I asked him if I started this thread!

Tmach137:
How has dis justified ur God's existence?

How has this justified my God's existence to you, or to myself?

Did I start this thread and title it, "Let Me Justify the Existence of My God To You"

Please check and correct me and I shall sincerely apologise.

OruExpress:
You don't believe businesses are moving out of Lagos and into Ogun due to cost of business and taxes?

I do believe businesses will move out of a high taxation area! I even said you might move your business where I can't tax you 50% if you have sense. And when you do move, my 50% tax of your business that you've smartly moved out of my taxation area will present me with ₦0 IGR. Or did you not understand that from what I wrote?

Do know that I have the option of charging you 40%, or 30%, or 20%, or 10 and 0%. I don't need to be so greedy, especially if I need your business to provide jobs for the grateful people who might vote me back into office. In fact, if I am desperate enough and can afford it, I might decide to charge you minus % tax, as in, give you money to keep your my people employing business in my taxation area! There's countries that do so after all.

I suggest you read what I wrote again.

orisa37:
God chooses Leaders
He watches over The Righteous and always ready to purnish the Wicked..

I wouldn't argue. Just sai my bubu! Though I'll have serious problems believing God chose Abacha.

Amujale:
Indeed, in the context of a gramatical expression.

However, its almost always reference back to idylic place.

As in, the surrounding countryside of my village is a thinkers 'paradise'. It still amounts to the fictitious concept.

I do not understand why you would call the "surrounding countryside of your village", a fictitious concept! Are you doing nothing to make a "fictitious concept" a reality, perhaps?

But that is your own personal choice, and as you can see, my own Paradise is a place of peace inside my head, while that of UK is "England's green & pleasant Land". Both might have been fiction at one point in time, but through hard work and perseverance, they are now both realities.

Amujale:
Similar to saying that Joe Lasisi straight cross is Incredible Hulkish.

The problem with that type of comparison is that The Incredible Hulk is a cartoon character.

Wouldnt it be correct and appropriate to compare Joe Lasisi straight cross with a real person such as Marvelous Marvin Hagler for instance.

And what good would that do me, even if it does you good?

Can I not chose the fiction I like?

OLAADEGBU:
It is your hope that the more 'serious protests' he gets the more your chances of the Dems winning the election. What policies of his is affecting you negatively?



If you were of God you will love the things of God but because you gravitate towards the love of this world hence you detest the things of God. This is how we know those who are of God and those who are of the world.

It is not my hope that the President of the United States of America fuqs up so bad that American's feel the need to protest, which is precisely why I want this current President out.

And I do not share your opinion that this President has anything to do with God.

History555:
Tell us which state are you from or which state you pay your tax
Secondly tell us how you monitor the tax you pay so that we can learn from you.

I'm from Osun State. I pay tax on my income there and also where I live, which is not in Osun State.

I get an annual record of expenditure from the tax authority where I live. And tax I pay on what I earn in Osun State is seen spent where I pay it, as minimal as it, is since my state is rather incompetent in tax collection as seen by our very low IGR.

And since my state is incompetent at collecting tax, I tax myself on my state's behalf and spend it on behalf of my local authority and keep records of my self imposed taxation.

To be honest with you, I think my state is afraid to tax me properly since they see what I spend my self imposed tax on.