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TATIME:
You need not ask any further questions budaatum!
I know you've followed my post several times on NL and you've commended my reasonableness but now is the time to say goodbye!
If you think people from divers religious groups can also possess divine wisdom the same way you've noticed in me, then go and worship with them. But know that all what you've heard from me is coming from a group and if you're not ready to join that group, there is no way you and i could worship the same God!
For your information, it is the translators of the Bible that rendered deities of other nations with small letters. The inspired writers of the scriptures penned down the title "God" the same way whether that of Israel or other nations, the only difference is the names of each God. Today, people from all races have been deceived into worshiping different Gods but they're all thinking it is that same God who claims to be the Almighty that they're worshiping.
The one and only true God has one well organised global group of worshipers who have the same mindset, it is false Gods that deceive people into having different mindsets regarding worship.
So if you believe you're now worshiping the same God with different religious group all having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, well i wish you the best but as for our own group if you're not a member, you can't possibly be a worshiper of our own God!

While we humans might confuse our selves over small gods or God, the Shepherd knows its sheep.

TATIME:
Well that's really cute.
So worship your God the best way you know and don't forget: Tatime's God differs from your God!
Farewell!

Tatime, have you carved out for yourself some other God apart from the Lord God Almighty whose son is Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour?

Jessicha:
Who are you pls ? If u have nothing ideal to share , just stay on your lane Sir

There's no lanes here Ma. Its a public highway Naija style, we haven't got the paint to waste. Besides, you're aren't the only one here, nor should one stand by and not challenge some thinkings!

I am buda. Those who are not with buda are not necessarily against buda. They may just not have the time for buda. The earth is big enough for all.

Jessicha:
Yeah for my own good, that's why he can't explain John 3:8 .

Please tell me u are joking.

You read the words but cannot tell?
Do Spirits oppose?

TATIME:
Well budaatum,
That is the TRUTH! You either HUMBLY accept it and start making moves to fit in the arrangements or ARROGANTLY practice your own Christianity independently of our group.
It's not by force. There is no other option, you either accept that our group is the one and only group practicing real Christianity then join us to know how to remain a member of the global family or reject us as one of those numerous false groups claiming Christians and practice your own Christianity the best way you know!

Ah well, I guess I'll just content myself being an unconditionally accepted member of the Communion of our Lord Jesus Christ the Messiah since its good enough for God who so loved the world.

Jessicha:
Ion think u understand what you quote, Christianity all over the world Is one body , don't forget whoever is not against you is for you, which means whoever is against you is not for you . with the way this so called Christians attack and AGAINST each other in areas of teaching, u still have the confidence to say they all represent Jesus ?

No, "whoever is not against you is for you," does not mean "whoever is against you is not for you", at least not always or most often, in fact! Imagine a child believing that! It will be naughty, I will oppose it, so I am the enemy?!

We might be against you for your own good for instance, or for the good of the group, or be supporting you in your wrong ways for our own advantage and your own destruction.

TATIME:
you can't be his follower if you're not in tune with Jesus' little flock! Luke 12:32

We can't be in Christ because we are not one of you, Tatime? Mark 9:38

TATIME:
if you're not operating under the supervision of the GB, you're not part of our happy global family!

Ah well, at least we remain members of the family of our Lord Jesus Christ, Tatime, if "not part of your happy global family". Unless you are God's gatekeepers and will keep us out?!

achorladey:
Let me start by Saying I read ANIMAL FARM but I didn't really put my mind into it, but I do get the concept of what is in there.

I think George Orwell wrote another book titled ORWELLIAN, ORWELLIANISM or something related to that which carries good information about human institutions, organization and system.

Regarding RUSSELL it's no gain saying that were he to be alive today, he will have been kicked long ago out of "GOD'S ORGANIZATION".

"Orwellian" is an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society. It denotes an attitude and a brutal policy of draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth (doublethink), and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson"—a person whose past existence is expunged from the public record and memory, practised by modern repressive governments. Often, this includes the circumstances depicted in his novels, particularly Nineteen Eighty-Four but political doublespeak is criticized throughout his work, such as in Politics and the English Language.

Download Nineteen Eighty-Four here.

basilico:
The take on this . An FBI director can open a vague investigation on the president . If the president fires him , then FBI opens an obstruction of Justice against the president.

is that the precedent Dems want?

President beneath the law? Yes please, I want it. Bring it to my Nigeria and I'd love it in fact!

annyplenty:
Two days ago, it was revealed to me how many church leaders/churches will fall away and join this inter-faith worship. It was revealed to me that money is the great incentive that will be used to lure many church leaders in Nigeria into this inter-faith worship and one-world religion.

JESUS is coming. Be prepared and stay ready.

You don't know if God willed interfaith, is what I think, annyplenty, so you rail against it. Jesus interfaithed outside his Jewish faith, which is why gentiles got apportioned of the Lord's!

Interfaith is a good thing. It allows religious people to know about people of other faiths in a world where they are more likely to be one's next door neighbour, instead of believing some ignorant view of them in one's head and living in fear of them. In UK it is Roman Catholics interfaithing with Church of England, interfaithing with Moslems and with Buddhist, Sikhs, and all other religions that exist there. You'd learn about these religions in school too and from students in your class and it has made for a better understanding of people towards each other and a more loving society with less hatred. I, a CoE, in fact, got my first Quran from Westminster Cathedral during sessions in which an Imam preached and we visited London Central Mosque for Jummah. On an individual Nigeria level interfaith would be my Muslim neighbour wishing me Happy Easter and a Christian me wishing them Baka de Salah at the appropriate time. Or doth not tiny mustard seeds not produce abundant fruit no more? Are the peacemakers not the blessed?

If your neighbour knows you, you are less likely to have to turn the other cheek and you will be better placed to love them because your neighbour who knows you is less likely to slap you. A good thing. A fruit of interfaith.

HenryDion:
The truth is what made me an atheist. I read the Bible like no Christian has ever done. If you know the Bible so well, you won't be a xtain.

Reading the Bible is what made me an atheist, and now I'm reading it again as a theist.

If it's not asking too much, what is this "truth" you mentioned please? I would so love to know it. And what would one be if one knew the "Bible so well"?

ochibuogwu5:
why is some of our lives as *Christians* is not *consistent*?
because *our individual believing is not stable*

Because we have not first sought the KoG.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCRTWuYA-Zw

Perfectbeing:
"As a result of your actions, the ground is cursed" is what the passage meant.

Not " I curse the ground cos of you"

"As a result of your action" and "cos of you" seem the same to me unless your action was not because of you which seems unlikely, you being perfect.

Would have been different if you'd said, the ground was cursed and "not you". It's what I think would be more accurate, "as a result of your action" and "cos of [something] you [did]" though.

obixcel:
The DEMS and their media allies are working overtime to keep dis artificial conjured Cloud of supposed Obstruction of Justice/Collusion hanging over Trump regardless of the Exoneration of the POTUS by the same Mueller Report (eventhough parts of the Reports were written haphazardly). The whole aim is to stall the Trump administration from investigating and looking in their own direction, how the Illegal investigation started, who did what and the FISA abuse.

Can't potus have them investigated, or hasn't he got the powers?

What do you know about eggs?

GreatResearcher:
At first the goal was to keep you in checked and a permanent slave to them.

Could you give a couple of instances of the above please so I fully understand.

These sort of threads are rather funny. In this one you'd clearly see who lacks intelligence. Pity everyone has not stated if they are religious or not so people can determine for themselves. So, for the future:

Buda is 'religious' and is supposed to lack intelligence according to this thread,

MeetDx:
And Jesus Christ supposedly countered all arguments with Satan using the good book?

Not so. "Using superior understanding of the good book" is more accurate.

hayoholla:
Budatum, I must confess I love your write-up above. But my question is are you arguing from a philosophical angle. Because, your argument lean in that direction. Musicwriter might have a vendetta against religion. But I think he's arguing for the necessity of doing away with our culture in favour of religion that does not concerns us, I think that his where he is right. Do we really need it. What happened to us going back to African spirituality, is there any crime in that. And from your write up, I can deduce you are a liberal man who believe there's truth in every school of thought. But why must it be the status quo. And we should ask ourselves this question too, has religion been found worthy to achieve spirituality, has it been found worthy to be a moral guideline to live a morally upright life.

Respect. That's why I have not got round to replying you till now. The fact you appear to see what's there has made me take time to consider my response. So, here goes.

No, I am not "arguing for a philosophical angle" (on the assumption that by "philosophical angle", you mean "looking at it philosophically" ). The angle one looks at a thing determines what one sees. If one does not move to other angles, one might believe one has seen, yet, if one moved to other angles it might seem different. So, move around to different angles and look again, at least, just in case, would be my preferred angle; and not just standing in one angle assuming what I see is what another sees or what is there even. In biblespeak, I eat not only bread for fear of becoming malnourished. One should not limit one's angles just as one should not limit oneself to the use of only the five senses. Hermetically, materialistically, spiritually, gnostically, agnostically, atheistically, sceptically, cynically, logically, rationally, irrationally, fundamentally, critically, stupidly, religiously, philosophically etc, are just a very few other angles one could consider looking from, is my leaning and what I would argue for, at least for those who wish to be well nourished.

I don't think Musicwriter has a vendetta against religion. He just seems to think that religion is used to control which makes me think he views religion from limited angles and wonder if it is from the angle of the controlled. Merely reading the scripture debunks this notion. Religion is simply the continuous teaching or practise of doctrine. I wonder if Music might consider that it is the teaching of wrong doctrines (of single view wrong angles), that he disagrees with. I get this feeling from his opposition to "belief", which we share (though not acknowledged by either of us yet). I never could stand hearing people saying they don't believe gods exist, for instance. I was a "gods do not exist except in the minds of those in whom they have been created" atheist for most of my life until recently when I decided to create god in my own mind and become a theist.

Most Nigerians have not considered religion otherwise but from a believing angle. Even atheists do it when they limit religion to belief and see theism as believing. Imagine taking a believing attitude about any fiction you've ever read! Even as a child I had difficulty with that. I'll illustrate. Many read how Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden and got kicked out for being disobedient. It comes so early in the book that it sort of puts one at the angle through which the rest of the book might be seen. That angle clearly is, 'if one disobeys one's lord one will suffer', and is a fundamental belief of most readers of that story. A cynical angle however might make Adam and Eve appear enslaved somewhere and kept ignorant and naked until they were freed by a snake. You might see how one view might enslave one while the other might show one the enslaver from whom one must free oneself. Another angle, the childish one perhaps, might be that of the snake freeing slaves and cause one to go about freeing other people. All angles are not controlling angles, is my point, despite the predominant accepted angle being one of control as Music pointed out. However, that can only be said in complete disregard of the snake, and our Lord Jesus Christ, in my opinion. Neither was controlling. There might be value in looking at scripture and religion from a different angle and even from multiple angles at once, is what I'd have considered.

Regarding going back to "African Spirituality", you might want to consider my view as expressed here. The summary would be, 'We can't go back to some horrible nasty brutal past, nor are we maintaining some status quo. Onward everybody! Evolve!' Except some think the past was rosy. I wonder if that's due to the lack of a historical angle in the Nigerian education system. Regardless, you still can't go back to the past. Least not without a time machine or something of the like.

musicwriter:
A metaphysics (which is actually what I mean by spirituality) would choose ''knowledge'' instead of ''believing'' in something. He would try to understand how the mind works, how reality is generated and why you believe in what you believe. It allows you to understand that everything is all connected and that we're are all one with nature. Therefore, we're one and the same with God. We're not separate from God and we shouldn't be looking for God outside of ourselves.

This made me think of something I'd written some while back. I wonder what you make of it.

musicwriter:
This guy did a nice job trying to explain how a spiritual person may understand the real God. See https://jacobniegowski.com/the-real-god/

But it's this that I felt to respond to since you caused me to read it again. I wonder if you have come across Mysterium Coniunctionis. It is Volume 14 of Jung's Collected Works and is subtitled An Inquiry into the Separation and Synthesis of Psychic Opposites in Alchemy. I must say that it does what it says on the cover. I wonder if he might have explained it better himself.

Here's a pdf download.

correctyourself:
I am not Yoruba, you people you stat away from politics if you're a Christian. This things has been happening in the judiciary, now that we have somebody who is courageous to sanitized the system I support him, I am from the south-south.

Where did he get those from? Did you know why somebody will tell you he will finish and nothing would happen? Its because of judges like him who would judge the case in his favour.

Open your eyes! Nigeria has recorded so many cases of assignation without people been prosecuted because of these bad aggs in the judiciary and police. I support President Buhari on this.

Me too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsl8KOqnadE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szEOJNXd0QQ

Lordvaryx:
A typical Nigerian guy won't even find it comfortable to see his friend smile suspiciously toward his sister, Let alone marry his mother.

These people truly have their own ways of reasoning.

Imagine! Kissing a friends mother! It's not unusual though. Not unusual at all, but they wouldn't be marrying, and you definitely don't let your friend know!

TVSA:
I've read the whole bible before. I used to read at least one of Paul's short letters per day. I was once a bible study coordinator

I read it too, when I was 9-13. I'm reading it again. Listening really when I go on long walks. Means I can listen to a single book over and over again. I'm stuck with Joshua and Judges at the moment and can't get over the fact that the story of the birth of Jesus mirrors that of Samson so closely and the constant repetition drumming it into the head! I'm not surprised many believe it. But I'm finding a lot more to it, a whole lot more I do confess, than belief. Imagine how stupid it sounds someone telling you to believe Alice actually fell through a Looking Glass, or that Okonkwo really chopped off Ikemefuna's head and Things Fall Apart!

The question in my head is, Did Mary read Judges and indoctrinate Jesus, or is it as you say and Samson and Jesus are imaginary figures from some previous template from the past? Then, why go to so much bother with so many gods over so long? I guess I have a long way to go to figure that out.

I'm going to look for a way to share the mp3s of it that I got. Everyone should hear it so they can't be fooled!

tintingz:
OP i disagree.

One can be intelligent and be religious, but the thing is an intelligent religious man/woman tends to suspend their intelligence when it comes to their beliefs.

The effects of indoctrination.

"Suspend their intelligence when it comes to their beliefs", lol!

Can't argue that, I guess. Apart from to say a person who "suspends their intelligence when it comes to their beliefs" had very little intelligence to suspend to start with which is why they believed. If they had "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills" they wouldn't be believing because they'd actually know.

I'd say indoctrination is one big evil. It doesn't make for intelligent people.

TVSA:
bro, calm down, did I hit your balls or something?

I'm calm. And you are incapable of hitting my balls TVSA.

I in fact empathise with you on you not taking your pastor's word and glad you weren't having it. They'd have told you to believe them too and not use your own brain and think! It's a great pity many mislead many astray.

I never had a pastor haven been an atheist from birth, and after reading the book myself I knew some pastors hadn't read it not to talk of understand a word in it apart from the bits that put money in their pockets. But I can't help say something about those who haven't read it then claim to know what's inside it. I doubt one would pass a biology or a history test without personal study so why expect to pass a Bible understanding test on the word of a pastor? And not that anyone should read the Bible, but one should if one claims one worships God or criticises those who do, I would have thought.

I'm calm. Just saying.

GreatResearcher:
Where did the Stories About Jesus Come From?

The New Testament


The hundreds of documents about Jesus, all contradictory in style and content, derived from multiple physical locations. The disparate stories, all of which use pagan and roman myths interwoven with typical Greek god-man stories, hint to us that the entire escapade is the result of historical revisionism.

In other words, stories about Jesus spread as a result of a single preacher, perhaps St Paul (who never met Jesus and probably never really met the disciples) and people merely (in typical fashion for the era) rewrote older stories but now put Jesus at the core of them, just as happened with other Roman gods and heroes.

Hence, a new religion sprung out of thin air, fooling many into thinking there was an actual historical figure. Once this process had started at the end of the first century, it was already impossible for anyone to go back and verify the stories.



Cc: MuttleyLaff greatnaija01 victorian

You say it is rewritten from older stories, "derived from multiple physical locations" and "spread as a result of a single preacher". Dante listed the older sources. "Hermes, Asclepius, Serapis and Zeus, the Roman pagan sun God Sol Invictus, Osiris, Tammuz, and Adonis". Some heavy dudes from the past and all over the place evolving into what we've syncretised today wouldn't you think?

Why do you think anyone would do such a thing GreatResearcher, make up Jesus and continue to promote him 2000 years later?

Anduku:
If they are not letting it go then too bad for them but as far as the Mueller probe is concerned, after two years of thorough investigations with unlimited resources, Mueller did indict the President on collusion or obstruction. End of story. The liberal lunatics can go knock them out spinning trash but when they are done with their foolishness, one thing will be abundantly clear, this investigation was started to find out if there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the elections, The answer is out and crystal clear, there was NO COLLUSION!!!!!!

I'm going to accuse you of missing the forest Anduku. I reckon the Mueller Probe was to destroy Trump and had absolutely nothing to do with "collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the elections" apart from using it as a bullet to destroy Trump. That bullet didn't work so I expect them to reload and shoot again and again and again and again until they hit their mark or run out of bullets or are stopped. I'm cynical I guess.

Dantedasz:
It appears you are a cyber pest and a bully. You can go ahead and be obstinate and continue the mentions but I deserve the right to refuse to your silly baiting and your lies.
It was certainly not a pleasure meeting you.

Call me whatever you want Dante.
Accuse me however you like.

Dantedasz:
You mix things up and come across as if you are confused at what your religious leaning is. I would really appreciate it if you stop mentioning me.
Cheers.

Sorry, but no. I'll mention you whenever I want to. If I stop it might leave you believing I'm controllable and we wouldn't want that now would we?.