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 Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 3:32am On Apr 17, 2019 |
LUCAS99:I wonder if Sanders stands a chance. He seems like the most solid of Dem contenders. Def one to watch. |
| Education › Re: List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days by budaatum: 3:22am On Apr 17, 2019 |
Regarding your Adeboye vid. Martin Luther debunked that idea 500 years ago with his Ninety-five Theses written to oppose the practice of clergy selling certificates believed to reduce the temporal punishment in purgatory for sins committed by the purchasers or their loved ones. Those who bother to read would know this and would therefore not be controlled (and deceived) by that nonsense Adeboye is sprouting. |
| Education › Re: List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days by budaatum: 3:11am On Apr 17, 2019 |
musicwriter:You obviously know nothing about buda or buda's reputation or thought. And it seems you fail to understand what I've written or you would not accuse me of "adoring the bible as divine". Did you miss where I said humans wrote it and that it was "merely an image of God as conceived by those who wrote it"? You clearly do not know much about Europe or religion in general either. Religion did not start with Christianity, and just about every civilisation since the dawn of time has had one. It is how we civilised ourselves. Or did you not know that the works of Homer were the bible of it's time, serving as a means of civilising in the form of education, or rather, what should be believed, which was the form education took until very recently and currently in Nigeria? Were Zeus and Osiris not gods of religions that predated Christianity. Education as we know it evolved out of religion having been a reserve of priests. The failure of Egypt to extend that education to the masses is what killed off their god's with later Egyptians believing the text on their walls, which they could no more read, was written by aliens from out of space. Christianity is what helped solve this problem in Europe by forcing people to go to school every Sunday to learn. Or did you think the masses were educated in any other way? Europe, prior to the ascent of Christianity was a lot worse than during any age prior including the so called Dark Ages. History is very clear on this fact. You just need look at average lifespans and percentage death rates to confirm this to be true. The Renaissance itself was a rediscovery of texts that predated Christianity brought back by conquering Muslims in the form of Islam, another religion, which helped rejuvenate Christianity with its new ideas and thought, and which culminated in the scientific age when people abandoned belief and used their senses to seek to know instead. We Nigerians are currently going through our own Renaissance (though I would rather call it our Age of Believing), during which we are seeking to understand religious texts and the gods they introduce to us. It's what we do on here. We state our beliefs thinking they are facts, when in truth we are just stating beliefs gained from the texts we've read. Belief, in anything, however, is an indication of a rigid mind, a childish one that refuses to budge when superior knowledge comes along. Regardless, die it must, and this is indeed what happens to religions when we humans grow up and abandon them. Or would you claim this generation believes like the one before us? Yet, before religions die, they serve a purpose of enlightenment. And it is that enlightenment that frees. Thankfully, we are here 'religionising' by debating, discussing and learning, and I reckon we are much better off for it. If our parents had the opportunity we now have I assure you we would have evolved much further than we currently have. A time will surely come when the value we place in believing is killed off by our desire to know. Our children will will stand on our shoulders and see much further than we have just as we stand on those of our parents. Then shall we abandon our childish beliefs and evolve into the Age of Knowing. I, personally, cannot wait. Meanwhile, here's a thread with similar sentiments as expressed here. 1 Like |
| Education › Re: List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days by budaatum: 11:50pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
Sorry about the length of that. And I notice the controlling opinion of the poster before me. I insist, it is an error in understanding. We humans can't be controlled and a God worth its existence would surely have worked that out by now. Any god that attempts to control humans will fail and end up on your opening list of dead gods because we humans will kill it off just by not worshipping it. |
| Education › Re: List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days by budaatum: 11:44pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
musicwriter:I'm going to laugh at your mention of Odysseus. If anything, it should have been included in your dead gods, at least the ideas about gods in Odysseus should be. A comparable god I can think of is the God in the first six books of the Bible. And in my opinion, if that God had not evolved into Jesus Christ, we'd have killed it off too as Jung advised we should all our gods. I wonder if you know what he meant by that? Least be said, Odysseus is a far less complete description of whatever God may possibly be. Jacobniegowski is referring to Jung's God. Jung derived a lot of his understanding of God from his study of the Christian God and how it evolved from pre-Christian ideas. He also wrote about the similarities of gods since his focus was in understanding and treating the psychological effects of people influenced by religion. To be honest, if you understood Jung, you'd very likely understand what I'm saying which tempts me to ask you what Jung's you've actually read. The little I remember of the book of Ptah reads like Proverbs and The Book of the All-Virtuous Wisdom of Yeshua ben Sira, and could hardly be claimed to be a complete description of God. The Bible itself is merely an image of God as conceived by those who wrote it. Yet even they managed to convey the fact that their image does not adequately describe God and warned of the error of making images of God because they would never completely describe whatever God may be. Christ sure is written to have warned against thinking God is whatever you may have read or thought God may be when he is written to have said "humans should not live by bread alone or they'd die of malnutrition." John too made us aware that the Bible is not a complete description of God with his "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+21%3A25&version=NIV]Jesus[/url] did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written". And the Quran, which you mention, also claims to be incomplete when it is written in Luqman 31:27 that, "If all the trees upon the earth were pens and the sea [was ink], replenished thereafter by seven [more] seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise". All this suggest that one should read every word that proceeds from God if one wishes to know God, a daunting endeavour no doubt, which is why most just simply believe. But even if one can read all that God wrote, one still has to work out what books these would be. Knowing this, how you can possibly claim any one book adequately describes God in books which clearly say otherwise amuses me. And you've failed to mention way more detailed expositions of God like that of pre-Christian Plato - writings which influenced the understanding of God in the Bible and likely made it necessary. So that leaves us with your unknowability of God. I suggest you speak from your own view and your own knowledge and opinion of God obviously gathered from what has been religionised into you. This I say because you mention a "God of religion", as in an understanding gotten from a "particular system of faith and worship", which to me is bread alone and not every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. You also show this inadequacy in your claim that "The Gods of religion is an invention to control people", when the evidence suggests the exact opposite. Or do you seriously think humans would be freer without the religious texts they read? Is it not true that one who knows is less likely to be controlled? Is it not true that those who do not read get enslaved and controlled by those who do read? I put it to you that you perhaps have not read! Those who assume they cannot know God are the sort whom when God is said to have said to Moses, “Come up to the Lord, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance, but Moses alone is to approach the Lord; the others must not come near. And the people may not come up with him”, don't say what buda says. Buda be like, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created buda also? I'm coming up too. And I'm coming near you!" Those who do not go up with buda and Moses, Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel will most surely be controlled by those who do go up the mountain. I'm going to suggest to you that God is very knowable, or at least, one can know quite a lot about God. One can study every book said to have been written or inspired by or about gods to gain a better understanding, at least. Then there's that which in Christianity is called the Comforter, which Christ is said to be sending back to minister to one when he's returned to the Father. He might have meant one's own ability to comprehend and reason, but I assure you that dim eyes would have a hard job understanding unless they become as children who have no preconceived ideas, opinion, dogmas, or beliefs. It is this inability to reenter your mother's womb that makes you insist on your dogma that religion is a means of control. I'll leave you with anecdotal evidence that it isn't. Christianity in Europe in medieval times was a means of education. Humans were brutes in those days and needed it. That same religion is what Europeans have used to free themselves as we can observe today. They have killed their Gods and moved on as they rightly should since its just a boat used to cross a river. Boats becomes useless and weigh one down if held on to after crossing the river. You'd find they weight would determine how far you walk and would act as a controlling influence. You are blaming the boat instead of the fools who can't let go and free themselves from it's unnecessary burden, I'll have you consider. |
| Travel › Nigerian Women Warned Not To Come To Britain by budaatum(op): 7:20pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
The UK government is backing an advertising campaign urging Nigerian women and girls to find jobs at home instead of “risking a life of modern slavery” in Britain. Posters are to be placed in schools, churches and marketplaces in an attempt to reduce human trafficking, sexual exploitation and forced labour. The Not for Sale campaign is supported by UK aid and involves the National Crime Agency and the UK’s Joint Border Task Force as well as Nigerian law enforcement. The Independent: Nigerian women warned not to come to Britain in government campaign. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nigeria-uk-modern-slavery-women-human-trafficking-campaign-not-for-sale-a8869736.html |
| Education › Re: List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days by budaatum: 6:56pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
musicwriter:Please, musicwriter, I'd like you to show me where I attached God to writing or inspiring the Bible. It isn't a mistake I normally make since I happen to know gods don't write books! My opinion is that the books in the Bible were written by human beings to educate human beings (about what they knew). Even before they made the Bible available in book form they'd been writing it in stone, an idea derived from god worship in Egypt to educate the masses. Chartes Cathedral, the Cathedral Basilica of Our Lady of Amiens and the recently burnt Notre-Dame de Paris are examples of key lessons from the Bible written in stone. It's modern form would be a library, the purpose of which is to educate people. Yes, you may find lessons taught in the Bible in literature, but I can't say you'd find so vast a collection in any single literature, though if you know any, educate me. As to God having nothing to do with religion, I don't understand why you'd say that since as far as I know, religion has always been about some god or the other. Or have you come across a religion that does not involve the worship (or learning about) a god? If so, do please educate me. |
| Education › Re: List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days by budaatum: 4:45pm On Apr 16, 2019*. Modified: 8:54pm On Mar 02, 2021 |
musicwriter:In my experience, only emotional people tell others not to be emotional. They usually say it when they have failed to manipulate others. Another purpose of the Bible was to educate (indoctrinate, would be the more accurate word in its time). It's the entire purpose of religion in fact, to educate. Tyndale's translated only the New Testament and roughly half of the Old Testament which was described as heretical, since it did not promote an acceptable view of the King of England. The English Bible was in fact completed by Miles Coverdale in 1535, and resulted in the Great Bible of 1539 which was the first authorized edition of the Bible in English, authorized by King Henry VIII of England to be read aloud in the church services of the Church of England. What you fail to understand is that no one can control human beings. God tried it in the Garden of Eden and failed, so how please can an earthly king achieve such control? The church tried it too by keeping the Bible in a language the people on the street could not understand and then came along the Tyndale, Martin Luther, Coverdale, to rip down the veil they hid behind with the same Bible. Let's go further back, shall we, to the times of Jesus who is said to have fought against the controllers of his day. Another ripping down of the veil of control, would you not think? Did he not in fact say "the ability to control yourself is within you"? Then further still to the Garden of Eden where humans were freed by a serpent. There is absolutely no doubt that some use the Bible to control others, but the truth is that it is those who have not read the book that get controlled. Read any of the Gospels and you'd clearly see Christ resisting control because he too had read the book, and without the indoctrination (interpretation) given by the authorised priests of his time, but from those in Egypt. The lesson of the Bible cannot be clearer when it is said that they who [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A1-5&version=KJV]comprehendeth[/url] the Logos will live [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16&version=NIV]eternally[/url]. It shows you how the controllers operate, and also teaches how one frees oneself. Do note, if you "believe" the contents of any book instead of seeking understanding of it, you are indeed controlled and enslaved! musicwriter:If you understand the research you've done, you'd know only fools burn books instead of learning from them. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Plea For A Christian Moderator For A Christianity Section by budaatum: 3:47pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
jesusjnr:Jeez man, what exactly has Hier done but state his own view and opinion? Or is that not allowed on here? You are poking your fist in his eyes and telling him not to take offence. And to be honest with you, I am feeling pain on his behalf! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Was A Black Nigerian, No One Would Care by budaatum: 3:41pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
JeromeBlack:Much less than crucifixion. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Jews Need Apologise To The World by budaatum: 3:39pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
Righteousness89:Keep dreaming! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Johnson Suleman Resurrects A Dead Boy - Omega Fire Ministries (Video) by budaatum: 1:32pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
Built2last:Miracles, you'd find, don't just happen because you say abracadabra or aleluya amen. |
| Culture › Re: Fire At The Palace Of King Of Agodo In Lagos by budaatum: 12:40pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
jerrymej:The palace is just two or so houses across the road from mine at 1 Dolamu. |
| Education › Re: List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days by budaatum: 12:01pm On Apr 16, 2019 |
musicwriter:No it absolutely does not tell me the bible is an evil book at all! Are you a Christian? I'm asking because you humanise the Bible (I'd say you deify it in fact, calling it evil!). What evil has the Bible ever done? Isn't it true that Tyndale and Hus had immense admiration for the Bible and wanted to increase it's availability? Where they being evil? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Plea For A Christian Moderator For A Christianity Section by budaatum: 11:49am On Apr 16, 2019 |
Hier:I did "take the oath". If I didn't I wouldn't have been able to post this, and this, and this, not to talk of the numerous posts in other threads, but I've checked my profile and the oath is no more there, for some reason. Perhaps it has an expiry date or something. But I oathed it on posting. Islam is not like coming out of a shrine, unless you have a warped understanding of Islam that is. And one can call oneself a Christian yet not be of Christ at all. We perhaps need a thread called "Who shall dwell in my tabernacle?" I wonder if dislike or not loving ones fellow human being is a disqualifying criteria. |
| Politics › Re: Was Atiku Right Or Wrong On Privatising NNPC? by budaatum: 11:28am On Apr 16, 2019 |
anonimi:It is indeed what those countries you mentioned did. China started in the 70s, now see where they are. But they did not just "copy" the west! They studied the west over many years and took what was good for them and dumped the rest. Nigeria, on the other hand, would most likely invite the west to come do it for us instead of learning and implementing the good bits ourself. Let's start learning for now. We can start with nnpc university. In 10 years time, we'd be able to run our nnpc as best as it can be run and it might even evolve into a nuclear company. |
| Culture › Re: Fire At The Palace Of King Of Agodo In Lagos by budaatum: 12:01am On Apr 16, 2019 |
Lanretoye:Ikotun Egbe going to Isolo. Drop at Cele get a bike to Dolamu or last busstop and you're at Agodo Palace. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Plea For A Christian Moderator For A Christianity Section by budaatum: 11:54pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Hier:So, "Lord Lord" in Christianity makes one a Christian? Go read my profile and come tell me I'm a Muslim or my foot is shot. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do You Believe In Religion When You Have The Internet? by budaatum: 11:49pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
RonKenoly:Internet? You think believers read the old internet, big as it is, but still tiny by its more modern form? I don't understand why non-believers think like believers where believing is concerned. You'd think unbelievers, if not the believers, would understand that one only believes what one does not quite know or understand. Or do you believe its raining when rain is pissing down on your head? Ref 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts As Reverend Obofour Flaunts His Exotic Cars And Mansion by budaatum: 11:38pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Oche211:You don't know that to be the case here! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Fire Breaks Out At Notre-dame Cathedral In Paris (photos) by budaatum: 11:32pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Antichristus:Or God just doesn't place as much interest in your buildings as you'd hope!? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Apostle Johnson Suleman Resurrects A Dead Boy - Omega Fire Ministries (Video) by budaatum: 11:27pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
It's official. Nigerians will no more die. Visit Johnson Suleiman and receive eternal life! 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Notre Dame Cathedral In Paris On Fire As Spire Collapses by budaatum: 11:22pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
An iconic building. After the fact one wonders why the fire department wasn't permanently at its base considering the work going on on it. Parisiens are speechless. |
| Culture › Re: Fire At The Palace Of King Of Agodo In Lagos by budaatum: 11:12pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Oh my! That fire better not spread to the eba joint (the green and red shop next door run by an Igbo woman), or jump across the road to the chemist and my house o. I'm certain this fire spread here from Notre Dame. It must be the gods day off. 1 Like
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| Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Stairs Jesus Climbed Before Crucifixion Unveiled After 300 Years (Pics) by budaatum: 6:34pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
sonmvayina:To learn. Or did you learn nothing from Animal Farm and Things Fall Apart and Aesop and 1984? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Stairs Jesus Climbed Before Crucifixion Unveiled After 300 Years (Pics) by budaatum: 6:31pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
Martin Luther climbed the steps on his knees in 1510. As he did so, he repeated the Our Father on each step. It was said, by doing this work one could "redeem a soul from purgatory." But when Luther arrived at the top he could not suppress his doubt, "Who knows whether this is true?" Charles Dickens, after visiting the Scala Sancta in 1845, wrote: "I never, in my life, saw anything at once so ridiculous and so unpleasant as this sight." He described the scene of pilgrims ascending the staircase on their knees as a "dangerous reliance on outward observances". Wiki |
| Politics › Re: Adeleke: I Gained Admission Into US University Without WAEC Result by budaatum: 6:17pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
nadiq1:This is not true! See above. |
| Politics › Re: Adeleke: I Gained Admission Into US University Without WAEC Result by budaatum: 6:14pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
It’s America though, where your rich parents can just bribe somebody. What we know so far in the college admissions cheating scandal |
| Politics › Re: Adeleke: I Gained Admission Into US University Without WAEC Result by budaatum: 6:11pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
BlackPantherxXx:In UK you could do a foundation course before starting your degree and previous qualifications won't matter if you passed. It's like prelims you'd do in Nigeria. You could also qualify for being a mature student. |
| Politics › Re: Was Atiku Right Or Wrong On Privatising NNPC? by budaatum: 6:03pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
anonimi:We need to copy a lot more before we copy privatisation of our most important asset is my opinion. Singapore, South Korea, China and India sure did (though they appear to have not copied religion as we have done!). I wouldn't even want bubu to privatise nnpc now despite my support for him! I just have this fear, irrational perhaps, that we'd make a mess of it so I'd rather not take the chance. We should go study why Saudi Arabia withdrew the privatisation of their nnpc, at least, and the history of privatisation in those countries that have. |
| Politics › Re: Was Atiku Right Or Wrong On Privatising NNPC? by budaatum: 10:45am On Apr 15, 2019 |
anonimi:Some countries are way more advanced than Nigeria. Just see how UK handles willing to secede Scotland, or its own secession from Europe. You might want to copy your neighbours, but make sure you have your neighbour's skills and abilities first. |
| Education › Re: List Of Gods That Died And Resurrected After 3 Days by budaatum: 12:52am On Apr 15, 2019 |
musicwriter:Disbelieve and Know! |
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