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bellong: My point was not specifically that good fathers always end up having good children. It was only to point out the weakness of David as per fatherhood. However, proportion of fathers who raised their children in the right way and their children turned out good are very high compared to the other.

What I personally observed over the years is that parents most times wait for their children to start talking before being trained or corrected about any negative character. You hear things like, he is still too young to understand, he doesn't know what they are doing etc....

Starting early and being a good father outweighs not being one. If at the end they turn out bad, at least you have peace on your part.

Jacob was a fraudster . The kids are already grown before he encountered divine transformation at bethel. We could also infer that because he hated Leah, he didn't pay attention to her children compared to Joseph and Benjamin from his beloved wife.

Samuel did his best and died happy because he didn't die of regret from failure of fatherhood like his "mentor" Eli.

tsmith: Through this thread I would majorly refer to Christianity & Islam(bible and koran), however the context may be applicable to other religions as well.

For starters I feel anything that leaves room for misinterpretation is null and void. In many instances these books leave open ended interpretation with lack of clarity or need for figurative meaning above literary meaning.

jidegirl12: I really am not a big fan of contradicting bible/ Qoran quotes with my way of life as long as I'm doing the 'right thing' and I meant the Ten Commandments / Five pillars of Islam ( when I was one even tho I still infuse it to my daily life routine) ..... the hypocrisy of people in general is beyond awe esp when interpreting the verses and pick and choose what works for them.

Brb

Fhemmmy: Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. . . . But this verse here is not saying that you are perfect like your heavenly father, just saying, we should aspire to be better

nikkykay: Thanks guys displaying maturity on ds thread
God will help us all
He will give us wisdom on how to train our children in a way dat they wont fail us and also He will give these children a good heart dat wont make them derail from the good path we are showing them

biolabee: Then no one is perfect then except Jesu
and Enoch.,..


The Bible me i dey read these guys were polygamous, drinkers, adulterers and rap.ists (of their half sister sef)

biolabee: good stuff guys... threads on NL can be devoid of rancour...

would just to add the child going rotten is also punushment...
jacobs who was a good father (waiting for bellong ) had a son who slept with his concubine

Samuel died unhappy

jidegirl12: Now it's the bible but when it's submission bibles tossed out the window?? What about human will ? , lets leave bible outta this.

Fhemmmy: Eli could have prevented it . . . Eli turn a deaf ear

nikkykay: The bible even says dat any child dat is be corrected but refuses will be destroy without any controversy.
Its in d book of Psalms

nikkykay: God knows its d child

jidegirl12: So what bout the other part??

Or this:

bukatyne: The child

Look at it like this:

Eli's children were irresponsible and God punished Eli
Samuel's children were irresponsible and God did not punish Samuel

Fhemmmy: So after playing your part and the kids did not listen, who do you blame for the wrong doing of such child? I just wanna see the blame game to the end.

jidegirl12: Training ..... When you have nurtured and instilled good morals into them and one of them still go on her way to get pregnant or impregnate a girl ??

What do you call that? Failed parenting??

Fhemmmy: Yes i do agree that he could have had bad intentions, just like we could argue he had good intentions . . . But all i am saying is that, so many people are quick to head to court for divorce cos they always thinking the grass is always green on the other side - Most cases, the green we see on that side is all but fake green carpets that wont grow

Fhemmmy: So a child that is born and the parents are dead and yet that child is of great value . . . Who taught that child? and if one did not do well, do we blame the dead parents?

Fhemmmy: The difference is that, we cant blame parents for ALL what kids are doing, some parents have done their parts and up to the kids to listen and take to the teaching of the parents . . . in most cases of what we have these days, the kids are to be blamed, the parents send a kid to school to read and be someone in life and he got there to be a gang member, is that the fault of the father or momsie?

Fhemmmy: The duty of a parent is to guide the kids to the right path by instructing and discipline when needs be, but the parent will not follow the kids around to check what they are doing . . . Same Bible instruct the kids to listen and be obedient and how many kids are obedient now?
Parents have a lot to do, but the kids too needs to be willing to learn, parents only shows you the road and you have to be the one to toll that road.

nikkykay: Madam u r just blaming parents as if it is only parents that have impact on d lives of dir children
Do u want to compare d society of the 70s - 90s to d kinda society we have now
Then children had ds kinda fear dat mum or dad is coming, let me run inside so dat dey dnt catch me playing outside with sand or something.
Do we have those kinda kids na.
Fine parents share part of d blame but u dont heap everything on them.

biolabee: So why does it seem u blame the parents who did not raise their kids to stay off dating or dont treat their wives well...

nikkykay: I disagree o madam
Hw about a child brot up in a Christian home and she got to school to do aristo?
I used to have a friend dat her mum was sleeping with politicians wayback then. She told her daughter to start dating big men in order to take care of herself & pay her school fees. She turned her mum down. She worked while in school and able to finish her part time progame.
Today she is happily married with 3kids.
So everythg still boils down to d individual.


I love ur post
How are we sure that those clerics dat do counseling have a good marriage dat is worth emulating?
Most of them r wife beaters & cheats which we know. So do u think troubled couples will love to go to these people?
Also d idea of my mates r getting married hasto do with issue of desperation needs to be curbed in d society. It is high time ladies realised marriage is not a do or die affair.


Biola,
In the issue of David, it was karma. There was no way he culd go unpunished despite being forgiven

Yes ! Thumb up

bellong: I beg to disagree with you about David.

David was a good man, friend and leader but he was a very BAD father.

That is why most of his children turned out the way they are. A man can be good to the society and be a bad father. Being a bad father does not necessarily mean being cruel to children. He had no time for those children he gave birth to in his early years because he was too busy with the affairs of the state.

biolabee: Hmmm...And if upon all your effort.. what next

It's not by power or might

The adebolajos will never in their wildest dream imagine their child will be a hacker of heads

Or mutallab wear a bomb in their undies

These thing is not a calculative science ooo
Parents are but stewards..
They water only
Na Baba dey give increase

biolabee: Hmmm...And if upon all your effort.. what next

It's not by power or might

The adebolajos will never in their wildest dream imagine their child will be a hacker of heads

Or mutallab wear a bomb in their undies

These thing is not a calculative science ooo
Parents are but stewards..
They water only
Na Baba dey give increase

biolabee: As much as I agree with some things uve said it's not always like that

Was David a good father yes..

But his son overthrew him as king, another a ra.pist and one eyed his fathers's concubine

Samuel in his old age had so much pain due to his sons

A parent can try but God knows best

The same womb raised abel and abel's killer

ileobatojo: Too much sheep mentality, 'we must follow follow the way our mothers did it'..... See NL for evidence, enough sheeple here..

nikkykay: Why r u blaming parents?
If my mother tells me to be following sugar daddy in order to bring money home, must i do dat when i knw its not right?
I wont blame parents but the kids my sister.

RoyPCain: @Bukatyne: The "bolded" is the duty of the another comforter. reference the Bible. The duty is similar to what we see in the Quran. we know Jesus mentioned Muhammad [sa] in the Bible because we see him [as] mentioning Muhammad [sa] in the Quran. We know Muhammad [sa] is mentioned in the OT and NT because we see his mentioning as such in the Quran; in essence Quran says OT and NT have trace of Muhammad [sa] even from the amount of what you have of them in the Bible and that Jesus mentioned Muhammad [sa].

Again to have the another comforter arrive at anytime, it has to be the person that at least fulfilled the duties listed from the lips of Jesus on the pages of NT. it will make no sense that somebody or something arrives and you say it is the another comforter, unless the duties prescribed by Jesus are fulfilled.

The "The Prophet" that neither Jesus nor John was is the same entity Jesus named another comforter. Another comforter can not be a ghost unless there is another ghost that is also God, if the first Ghost is God.

Ayee Idris: How e pass counseling? Babe, people change. People hide their worst sides when dating. What do you do? People say that there are always signs but sometimes there is not. Imagine you are dating a guy. You have seen him get angry once or twice with his friends, which is normal. After all we are human. Every one gets angry. Now you are married, you discover that when he is angry with you, he breaks things. He twists your arm and screams the building down. This you didn't know because he never did any physical actions towards his friends that he was angry with. so what do you do?

The typical African mentality is that if the husband offends, forgive. If the wife offends, send her packing. Sadly, it is we women and our mothers that encourage this sort of reasoning, so who is to blame? As for the age thing, e no hard na. Check his driver's license. abi birth certificate or any other document that the bros has

RoyPCain: @Op and bukatyne, etc; since we do not know the Mind of God as to why He will choose anyone for a purposely good deed, good purpose which the prophets were, we can think about the pattern of who His choices and observe who finally the another comforter aught to have been; at least who could not be eliminated.

the fact of the matter is that there were prophets before Israel, Jacob the son of Isaact, Jacob the nephew of Isgmael, Jacob the grandson of Abraham, Jacob from the bloodline of the man, Adam, Jacob the father of the children of Isreal.

We also know that there was no time God Himself, as far as we know was a prophet or messenger to any man, individually or as a group.

God is the Commander and He does not need to be the commanded because no one can be the commander of God.

With the above at least we can eliminate any part of God as being the one commanded because another comforter was to be commanded in reality to tell people what what God says and nothing else.

we can safely say therefore, past of the test of knowing who the another comforter is is that whatever comes from his mouth as message from God must be fulfilled on time, not early not later but on time.


All prophets have been people who give good news that comforted the heart of believers and warn the disbelievers whereby they should turn to believers if their heart is affected into guidance whereby they will find comfort.

There is no reason to correct a people who are on correction.
There is no reason to guide a people who are on guidance.
There is no reason to show any new thing if a group can not digest the little they already have.
There is no reason to remind those people who have not forgotten.
There is no reason to teach honoring to those people who are honoring already.

The reason I know Muhammad [sa] is the another comforter were the words of Jesus himself and the failure of that words to be actualized on Pentecost.


The another comforter by nature will bring good news [comfort] to believers on ground if there is any [the like of the disciples [jury is out on this]], the potential believers as well and warn hardened criminals of their ways.

The disciples of Jesus though people of little faith, they were the best in their time. therefore there is no need to add to their burden of faith since they have not forgotten or lost anything or their way and doing anything opposite of what the master left them with.

If the coming of the comforter was to announce bad news, we can understand that it may come right after Jesus left over 2,000 years ago. but since the disciples were still organizing throughout their lives, why would they be led to new things or all things with such a low ability to absorb?


The Good news of comfort must be given to wider audience of potential believers who are not timid in their commitment to guidance. The bad news must be given to pharaohic tyrant like Abu Jahal, Abu Lahab, and the hardened criminal and arrogant madina jewish, arab christian and pagan bosses.


Unless all the christians who propagated christians are collectively the another comforter, if Paul who changed the laws and order that Jesus followed because of the changes, the man who restored the truth about Jesus and other prophets before him, cancelling out Paul's ideology have to another comforter. Good news and bad news can be delayed until you have a larger crowd to hear them.