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[quote author=2s£xy]Any girl less than 25 or 24 just want fun... Nothing but fun. Give them the fun and never attach ur emotions or heart to the relationship...

You will never be heartbroken![/quote]Please don't generalize. Some women are married at that age.

biolabee: Ok what do you thnk is a more egalitarian view of marriage if the currnt model seems to be flawed

In all companiesthere must be a leader
Should marriage be different

There is a leader everywhere. We complain about the leadership style.

If a man likes, let him deny his wife right to eat or whatever, don't just add the Bible to it

nlMediator: I like your leadership in the home example (I've already addressed secular leadership elsewhere). The husband is the head, then the wife, the kids. The Bible tells the wife to submit to the husband but in the same breath says that the husband and wife should submit to each other. Where's the equivalent in the one-man ministry founder model? Is there a 2-way submission? Does any man rule his own household the way one-man pastors rule their ministries, speaking from an authority standpoint? Either such a man lives in the jungle or will not be married for long. That's the point. God can set up a leadership model, with a point man, but that in no way resembles the absolutism of today's ministries. Instead God's model in the NT resembles the family approach, where a leader governs with virtually equal authority with others. The same way a husband and wife govern the home.

This is a beautiful piece

carmelion: 117-120 pages?Bukatyne,are we not done yet?

Una well done o!

Bukatyne Ke?

I was not in about two pages o!

How are you today?

causewahala: To your question, I plead the fifth!



This your equality has many angles to it na! Why aren't there females in US marines frontline, aren't they equal to males? Abi u see woman inside navy seal team 6 wey take down Osama?
For real, it'll will always be subjective with male coming out tops!

@ ur last statement, my last statement was have a blessed night! I need you to confirm if you're a feminist or not! Although, I do understand why you're much more easy to relate with!

What is stopping women from achieving these things? Is it something natural in her or the society?

Why am I easy to relate with?

causewahala: Good morning! Lemmie first say you're a breath of fresh air, u need to see ur sisters this morning (fellis and subomi), kolo beings!

As much as I enjoy our debate try not to quote me outta context! I cited an example to support what I meant when I talked about me not being Christ, of course, ur pink eyeballs managed to miss it as usual!

As for being the head of family, when I get married, I'LL BE THE BEST FATHER/HUSBAND THERE EVER WAS!

Presently, I need to shyne my eyes cos the crop of girls out there are. . . make we leave am!

As per my relationship, I know the extent I go to be a better/understanding person so make we nor go that side. Although, my residual dark side remains latent for any babe wey decides to show herself!

I didn't miss any example, maybe you make yourself clearer next time.

Everybody need to shine their eyes. No gender has the monopoly of vices

As for being the best, I wish you the best

Mutaino7: It pains me dat the 21st century women don't know how to play their cards right. There is a saying that behind a successful Man there is a woman. Barak willingly gave Deborah as the victory glory cause she did what a general wud av done* note she was a prophet and also a wife* Women has history wud av been blessed wit wat i called attention mark. U play ur game/duty wisely Men we beg 4 ur feet. No wonder married women loose their husband to gals who knws how 2 stroke chief ego*it include evri man*

If you know what it means to be a Christian husband, shame would not let you utter the bolded! The nerve? How can a man mandated to lead his home spew this? Can a wwoman say that because her husband doesn't pamper her or spoil her with gifts, her husband would loose her to someone else? Please if you don't know what marriage is about, kindly abstain.

ayodot: after Feminism Whats next? Women will always want more, They are hardly satisfied. Even in heaven there's hierarchy. So when the devil tried to claim equality with God, there was war then there devil was casted out. Dont thread the path of the devil or u'll get burnt

What has the devil 'claiming' equality with God got to do with a man and woman are equally? God is the creator, Lucifer was the creation. Who is the creator in this instance?

Keep your warning to yourself.

causewahala: Lets not even go the route of Adam and Eve cos we both know what led to their expulsion, abi na Adam give Eve apple chop?

The deed has been done all thanks to Eve! Get with the current programme which necessitate that there be a boss in any relationship, abi una nor get oga@thetop for ur work place? So its applicable in every sphere of life, this equality thing will lead to hobbesian state if we're to uphold it because all man/woman go wan flex muscle!

Thanx for an insight into the mind of a feminisit, abi u wan renounce am?


Have a blessed night!

Are you born again? if yes, I don't expect the bolded from you. You are indirectly saying that the redemptive work of Christ counts for nothing

Are you not equal to your mates in school? Was there any rucus? Have you not seen children rude to their parents, juniors rude to seniors etc? Do these set believe they are equal? Equality have nothing to rudeness or flexing of muscle. If I am bad, I am bad whether you are my senior, superior or inferior.

I don't know what you meant by the last statement but my discussions are from a Christian POV and not feminist.

Mutaino7: Sorry to bust ur bubble although christ died 4 us, his death was to mend the broken link between man and God. Why do u think we avnt return naked and seeing God face to face lyk Adam did. Man body has been corrupted and only his soul nd spirit is redeemable by the blood of bros.J . So the law still stands.

You are not bursting my bubble dude because I am not even in one


Is man a spirit or body? Did you not read in your bible that Jesus Christ died to become a curse for us? Read Gal 3: 10 - 14; Gal 3: 23 - 29

As for the corruption of the body, we will not live forever and our physical bodies will not be raptured BUT we are still expected to present our bodies as a living sacrifice, PURE and holy... Rom 12: 1 - 12

causewahala: Your eyeballs are too sexy and beautiful to notice this, I understand, thats why I quoted it!

I'm also sorry to disappoint you. . . I AM NOT JESUS CHRIST! As such I refuse to lie down and let u ride rough-shod over me in the name of feminsim or emulating Jesus Christ! I was watching cheaters yesternight, na so the guy kneel down dey beg the babe all the while the babe kept screaming, I'M THROUGH WITH YOU, YOU'RE AN I.D.I.O.T.

This is after this babe has been caught on camera cheating on the guy ooooh! Na that one you want from me shey? If na like that my bags are packed to go to hell fire this very night but I'm sure hell sef go reject me cos hell fire nor be for sharp guys!

Good morning

Where did I claim you were Jesus Christ?

It's obvious I was not through with my post.

You are not Jesus but you are called to head your wife/family AS CHRIST HEADS THE CHURCH. You are not ready to love like Jesus but you want your wife to submit to you how the church submits to Christ. You are not interested in emulating Jesus Christ as a Christian? Who is your role model?

Nobody said you should lie down to let people ride you. I wonder who is currently riding Jesus.

A leader doesn't treat people as they treat him, he sets the pace. You determine how your home is run before you get a wife. You have a vision of how you want your future to be and you sow into that future.

It seems this is not relevant to the discourse but it is. It ties the headship, love and submission thing about marriage.

I did not finish my epistle.

Some branches of feminism wanted to change history to herstory, etc which I think is dumb and doing exactly what the men have been doing.

God created Adam and Eve equal. They were created to dominate and rule the world together. If a man is superior to a woman, God would have added her to what he's to rule. Sin entered the world and everything lost its glory. That was one of the remdemptive work of Christ. He redeemed us to our original state.

Sorry for the epistle. I don turn this thread to sermon. Carmelion, sorry

causewahala: You're just looking for someone to be going back and forth with. . . I kukuma get ur time 2night so lets continue!

Remember you asked for proof of male being the head from the bible which I gave, I noticed you accepted that as a golden rule, does that not pre-suppose that you conceed the fact that male is the head or you have a separate rationale for real life apart from the bible. . . lemmie take it a step further. . .

. . . Are u questioning the bible's authority and by inference God's?

That one dey between you and baba God.


As per your own verses, the only one that holds water a bit is the 2nd one, since the first one can be said to be a sub set of the 'golden rule'


As per that 2nd verse, u do realise u can't stand toe to toe with me, if I have to grant you concession as the weaker vessel?

My dear, with me what u give is what u receive, I could be gangsta and boorish like that and I could be an over pampering gentleman. . . na u go dictate how we go relate by your personality and action towards me.

Btw, I'm enjoying our discourse!

Sorry I will not be able to treat each point because I am mobile.

You asked if I believed that it was do unto others as you want others to do unto you and I said yes. That is the golden rule.

I am not disputing that a man is the head of his home; not a man is the head of a woman. However, we all seem not to understand what that means. Jesus Christ is the head of his church and a man is called to lead his home that way. As a man, ask yourself: how did Jesus Christ head the church? By shedding his glory, coming to earth in human form and dying for our sins. He sacrificed all and led by example. He taught his disciples about service by serving them. He taught them about obedience by been obedient. He taught them forgiveness by forgiving them. Even when they doubted his resurrection, he kept appearing to them etc. A man is the head of his home because he's the source. Ideally, a man decides to build a home and looks for a woman who they would build and achieve their purpose together. Where do you think a person would chase 1,000 and two would chase 10,000 came from?

Feminism may not be the right word as I read some thi

rubi96: omo see war of sexes laugh wan finish me

Dear, there is no war it's just discussion.

Why don't you contribute your views on the subject matter?

causewahala: I hope you're home now. I didn't bother reading the verses you quoted since you accepted the golden rule. . . strike 1 goes to moi

Talking of comparism, no where did I state on this thread that I'm married neither did I state I was going to cheat on my wife!

I see you're using a lot of conjectures and feminine wiles. . . why am I not surprised?. . .

The bible verses have nothing to do with question one so please read it. Where did I state that you are married

As for the strikes, we are NOT competing, we are discussing

Mutaino7: It pains me dat the 21st century women don't know how to play their cards right. There is a saying that behind a successful Man there is a woman. Barak willingly gave Deborah as the victory glory cause she did what a general wud av done* note she was a prophet and also a wife* Women has history wud av been blessed wit wat i called attention mark. U play ur game/duty wisely Men we beg 4 ur feet. No wonder married women loose their husband to gals who knws how 2 stroke chief ego*it include evri man*

I don't understand you

cmega123: I didn't say that. Brideprice is just a token to show headship to me. I didn't say that is what it means to everyone. See, you cannot change what God has ordained. God made man the head. Paul said, "As Christ is the Head of the church, the man is the head of the woman." They are not equal, but that does not stop a woman from becoming what she wants to become.
Question: Is the fan and the light equal? The answer is no, because they do not have the same function.
Whether you like it or not, the man is the leader in the house.

Dear, I never said a man is not the head or leader but it is not the way it's perceived by people. It's an obligation and not A RIGHT.

Mutaino7: Read Gen 3 : 16 - 17. When u're done buy me fan choco yorghurt as a thank u.

That was the result of the sin Adam and Eve committed. It was their punishment.

Mutaino7: Christ the head of the church and Man the head of the house*dats the bible 4 u sisco* y do u think woman who perform duties worthy of men are called man eg Simbi beat Ali she wud b referred to as tom*boy*. She took d death of her husband lyk a man wud, which shows that she aint weepy weepy lyk a normal wud.

What do you think being the head of the home means

passionate88: u don follow call women weak. Na wa o.

I did not call women weak. The Bible said it in 1 Pet 3 : 7

Mutaino7: This is how i view women. God made them 4rm the rib*note they weren't made 4rm the foot*. Rib serves as a protection 4 the lungs and heart. Its just below the shoulder and the head according to anatomy. This is where female caring nature comes in place. Although protecting the inner organs the head is above it and the head*brain included* as the central nervous system controls the whole body.

Let's talk of God's view

Mutaino7: Sisco man was made in Gods image. 2. He was put in charge of all dat was in the garden and made master over it. When sin came God declared man as the head.

Read Gen 1 : 26 - 31

passionate88: That 1peter 3:7, it boldly said women are the weaker vessels. Now to me, I no go like think say women weak o, bt I no go gree woman wey neva do half of wetin man fit do come dey open mouth dey say she be my equal!. Na lie

Do you know what that meant?

The bible refers to our physical bodies as vessels that why you have the concept of 'vessels unto honour', 'keeping our bodies holy and acceptable' etc

An average 25yr old woman is physically weaker than a 25yr old man.

Don't you think that for women to be 'weaker', men are 'weak'?

causewahala: Do u believe in do unto me as you'd want to be done?

If no state reason, if yes. . . why do you say my bedding your bestie is not sensible since you leeching (I stated all these conditions in my previous post, go back and read if you don't understand)



1 Cor 11:3

@ this junction, I would like to assert I'm your superior till you counter otherwise!

1. Yes, it's the golden rule in the bible
Are you comparing cheating your wife, breaking your martial vows to stinginess and selfishness?

Read Gal 3: 28, 1pet 3: 7

Lol@ been my superior! you have got nothing on me!

cmega123: Einstein basically proved that EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE. True, extremes are bad, but what could be extreme to me, could be the beginning of another's journey.
Whether you like it or not, the man paid for your head (your brideprice). What that literally means is this, "He owns you." I am not a proponent of a woman being a property, as she is an image of God. What I think the paying of the brideprice should mean to a lady is this, "He has paid for my head to become my head." What i think it should mean for a man should be this, "I have paid for her head, therefore, she is now comparable (not equal) to me."
Inequality does not mean inferiority. God made a woman to be comparable to the man, not equal. That does not connot equality and also does not mean inferiority.

So are you saying that the husband is not the head of his family in cultures bride price is not paid? The headship of a man has nothing to do with bride price.

It's either equal or not equal.

causewahala:

You caught me napping with that 1st statement, trust me it won't happen again! Yeah, very typical of a babe to twist premises. Well I made my self expressively clear and you admit you got my drift, do to me what u expect, if u're rich don't keep urs and spend mine. If I'm handicapped you'd have to factor that into the equation cos that's what I'd do for you as well.

@ ur 2nd statement, na you and who dem create equal? Shebi u sabi bible? U know from where God take the raw material to create u?

E be like sey na u be the oga@thetop for feminism abi?

I am not twisting premises. I am just pointing out that that statement was not sensible.

Where in the bible did God state men and women are not equal?

Animals and Adam from created from the soil, are they equal? If you have going down that route, then women should be superior because they are made from finished product

causewahala: @ ur 1st paragraph, remember I noted the leader thingy is subject to discourse, if you can convince me you've earned the right to be on an equal pedestal or u've earned that right to lead me, I'm ready to e-submit to u. . . until then we'll keep playing ping-pong with grammar!

@ the 2nd: the very fact that guys are expected to provide for the family checks their excessive nature, can u say that about babes that goes shopping for hours on end?

U also mentioned finance, if she pays her bills, I have no moral standing to creep, I also noted that the condition is applicable if she's got the moneuy but prefers to leech!


My points ain' as weighty as I want as I dey work, gbege must not happen on my watch, hopefully u're on naija time zone, this should get interesting tonight!


Passion, abeg leave lutadoll oooh! Na her kind dey shout harassment and gender inequality when jungle mature!

I didn't mention finance O! I said chores and not finance.

I don't have to prove to you that we are equal because we are created equal.

I am @ work too I don't like typing with my mobile so don't be disappointed if you don't see me

cmega123: FEMINISM... Hmmmmm... In my opinion, feminism, as with other things in life, when taken to the extreme, causes problems. A woman has rights. She is human for crying out loud and not a property. She is a partner and not an inferior slave.
When taken to the extreme, feminism throws submissivenes and respect for one's husband to the dogs. Women would always want to compare with me. There is nothing wrong with that, but when you now see yourselves as equal to your husband, na there problem dey. I am talking in respect of marriage.
Outside marriage, the law protects women. You can be whatever you want to be. There is no height a woman is prevented from, just because she is a woman.

What is wrong in a woman seeing herself as equal to her husband?

I like you are talking about extreme feminism and not just the general concept. Extremes are bad

alutacontinua: ehhhhmmmmm, make others contribute to the issue on hand. I have something to do now...i'll be back later.
Anybody that has questions for me should put them down. I'll be back to answer all of them.
It's been a while I got involved in debates like this.

expecting you dear

alutacontinua: Well, I don't think the kind of submission the bible was talking about between Christians is the kind of submission between husband and wife.
I might be going to church for 6 whole months and no issue comes up that I need submission to deal with. You will also notice that to relate with pastors and leaders in church and 'submit to them' or respect them, people tend to see them a lil higher than they are...consciously or unconsciously.

Sweetheart, submission is submission. There are no types of submission.

Ok, what does submission mean to you?

carmelion: Honey that was harsh,that's just my opinion.Sorry if I disappoint you.

Ok,let's come to a middle point here.Which gender can courageously walk at least 10miles by 1.00am without being sexually harrased?

Who made the gender unable to walk at that time? A natural disability?

Which gender can be stranded under the rain and not get a lift