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N3TRAL:
Thanks for bringing it to my notice. But it's not poor English

No offense, I will delete that part from my post but a lot of Nigerians use English words loosely without truly understanding the meaning of what they just said it wrote, the. We take offense when foreign bodies ask us to write English proficiency exams.

A good example is playing out in the 25% FCT saga. It was poorly worded and no one picked up on it while it was being drafted or passed. Whether the intention was to include FCT as a state or a special case requiring 25%, that law is a victim of poor understanding of English.


A proper English sentence that is not meant to be ambiguous should leave no room for misinterpretation. A good example is the misuse of the word “couple”. E.g a couple of minutes. The word “couple” means precisely 2 but most Nigerian use “couple” to mean few.

If we do not understand the language we may think we are communicating but we are not.

The English language can be deliberately ambiguous so it is important people understand the meaning of the words being used. For instance, you complain and I say “I will look into it” and you go away thinking, I will act upon my findings. That is not what I said! I said “I will look”. Next time someone promises to “look into something” you have to ask what he means by look and what action to expect because look is not the same as act upon the findings of his looking. I will look into it also does not specify when I will look into it. So you have to be careful with English words and what people are really saying to you. It is a very sneaky language for those who understand it talk less those who don’t fully.

N3TRAL:
My parents will never mourn my untimely death.

all you needed to write was “may my parents never mourn my death”. What you have written means your parents can mourn your death so long as it is timely. If you feel any death of a child is untimely then there is no need to introduce the word untimely, it is implied.

Racoon:
https://ng.usembassy.gov/nigerias-2023-elections/

Russia, China, India will soon make you redundant. The world doesn’t care about the US anymore.

meum:
Now you are beginning to sound like the same “obidients” you lot insult and attack. I thought we were having a discourse? How wrong I was! Why the insults? So anyone that differs with your opinion is automatically an obidient?

I stopped reading your response the moment you started with insults. Grow up and don’t turn simple discourse with people to something else.

It might interest you to know in the just concluded 2023 elections I supported candidates irrespective of their political affiliation. I don’t follow people blindly. I bet you did APC from top to bottom because to you godfatherism in Nigeria isn’t bad. SMH

You lot that engage your brain can’t see beyond your noses! How pathetic.

Don’t bother yourself with a response because I won’t engage with you any further on this. You are to immature to discuss with. Have a great day!

Discourse? You are clearly not intelligent enough for a discourse.

Racoon:
Was it not this same Sahara Reporters you urchins and miscreants heavily depended upon in pre-2015 era to malign and desecrated not only the person but office of a president and his family? So what has changed or happened again ?

You criminal principal can't even rest in the Lagos he claimed he birthed and developed into a world class centre of excellence or any other part of Nigeria to rest.But choose to travelled many miles across to a sane and cosy countries devoid of the hoardes of anti-social substance abuse miscreants he gave power in his modern day Lagos to rest.

What else does he expects? A drug baron, certificate forger, bullion vans criminal, identity theft specialist, godfather of substance abusers, hirer of agbadorian bishops? You think everyone is a zombie. Nope! Not @ all.

Elections are won by votes not by abuse. Just as you abused Bihari for 8 yrs, you will abuse Tinubu for another 8. Just like Bihari finished his 2 terms, Tinubu will finish 2 terms. You will not see presidency in your lifetime, mark my words!!!

Obi cannot become president of Nigeria. Reno is right. Even if the election is canceled Atiku was second. In a rerun between Atiku and Obi, he cannot defeat Atiku

IgOga:


That's a random picture at an airport.

To disguise is to hide identity. The man in that wheel chair isn't disguising.

Meeting? No evidence of meeting. Man is using a free airport service.

Many of you are not bright and enlightened and politicians will press una mumu button until you self destruct.


E be like say una don enter stage 2 of your grief: ANGER.

Inec nor good.....Judiciary nor good......what will you be told next....take back your country

They’ve been in stage 2 since 1966, they will be there till at least 2039.

TheChameleon:
Even if Jesus or Mohammed SAW didn't have protégés... if they were selfish like Saint Obi....

The religions would have died out now

Exactly. These guys are too dumb to understand the red flags staring at them glaringly In the face!!! How can you be a governor for 8 years be in the political arena for more than 18, claim to be a change agent and have not produce a single minister, governor, political heavyweight or heir apparent to continue and push your legacy in almost 2 decades??

Let’s not get this twisted Obidients are not a product of his leadership, they are a headless group who adopted him as their leader and they will be disappointed because he is not a leader!!!! He is a man after only his own interests l!!!!

meum:
Based on your argument, politics is the only field, as it were, where leaders exist. Wow!
Go and do your research about the person you choose to malign. Start from his personal life, life in the private sector, life in political office etc. I’m not against raising leaders in politics. Let the would be leaders be ready to serve without unnecessary interference from the political mentor.

This thing of raising a leader from a protégé is what we see as political godfatherism. These godfathers will go ahead to influence the leaders they raised who in most cases must either do their bidding or be shown the way out. A case in point is the Lagos you have been mentioning from the beginning of this discourse.

The thing didn’t happen in only Lagos. We have seen similar events of godfathers raising leaders play out in most states(North, south, East & West). These “Oga” that raise these leaders will want to interfer, want to continue by proxy, or refuse to support the leaders they raise for fear of not allowing them access to power. Examples: Adedibu vs Ladoja, Tinubu vs Ambode, Saraki vs Lawal, Uba vs Mbadinuju/Ngige, Obasanjo vs Fayose, Odili vs Amaechi, Oshiomole vs Obaseki, Nwodo vs Nnamani, Yarima vs Shinkafi, Kwankwaso vs Ganduje, Goje vs Inuwa

From the few listed above it is clear how the political leadership(good or bad as you put it) has been. They raise leaders that has Nigerian definition - not true leaders. Reason why we are where we are!

Raising leaders shouldn’t only be in the political circle. Leadership exists in other sectors. Some people have raised responsible leaders in business, family, academia without making so much noise about it. Just do your research.

P.S. I am all about good governance in Nigeria not what we have in place currently.

Politics and political leadership is the subject under discussion. The problem with majority of you Obidients is that you do t engage your brains. You are like cult followers…less brain engagement and objectivity and more dogma and emotion. There is nothing wrong with “gidfatherism”, just like I said previously it is not producing protégées and raising an army of leaders that is the problem, it is whether it is a good leader producing protégées/ army of leaders or a bad leader producing protégées.


It is even more pertinent for a good man in power to ensure he produces protégées so his good works endure.

You guys always miss the point because you don’t engage your brains.


The issues is leadership. If you are a leader, whether good or bad and you do not produce protégées or other leaders, Whether you are a good man or a bad man you are not a leader. If anything the good man who doesn’t produce protégées is worse that the bad man who does.

We are talking about the attributes of a leader here not whether a leader is good or bad. You clearly don’t have the intelligence to decipher the difference or are too emotional (typical Obidient) to be objective. L

You have to be a leader 1st before the issue of good or bad leader. Good or bad is merely after the fact after you have established your leadership credentials. You may argue he is a good man but Peter Obi from his political track record is not a leader. You may disagree with Obasanjo, Buhari, Tinubu, Odili, ibori, Amosun etc etc but they are leaders!!! You can argue they are bad leaders….that’s a seperate issue.


If you are a leader and you have no protégées and you do not raise and empower other leaders..you are not a leader…..full stop!!!! Whatever you do while you were in power will be undone after you leave…that’s not leadership.

If a church dies after a GO or head pastor dies, that is not a church, that was a one man show. A leader always has a succession plan.

Nobody called having protégées and raising future leaders godfatherism when Awo, Zik, Sardauna, amino Kano etc were in power…because they were good leaders.

SmartPolician:
Fayose doesn't hold any political value anymore. He cannot even win elections for PDP in his state. Why did they bother suspending the loquacious fellow? 🤔

Fayose has been winning elections for APC in Ekite since he fell out with Ekiti PDP. Why do you think PDP is now an irrelevance in Ekiti? Because Fayose has been diverting his supporters to APC

In a sane climate, Ruffin would have been sacked or resigned after his traffic palava. The man is such a virtue signaling hypocrite.

Obidient movement have given voice to too many fools like this dancing hijab woman

SP akpabio SS, deputy. NC Christian
Speaker NW, deputy SE

meum:
They keep supporting themselves and people keep voting for them. How do we expect to see positive change? How will it happen?

He started working with ElRufai since his days as FCT Minister


How the Labour Party Presidential candidate is living rent free in your head is amazing . What do you mean by “become anything”?

Political position isn’t the only way to “become anything” neither is it the only leadership position.

In the academia they are leaders making positive changes. In the private sector there are leaders too making positive changes. Google is your friend. So do your research. Find out those that were in his cabinet within the 8 year period you referenced to see the leaders that worked with him. To “become anything” isn’t just about being a career politician😁

You are the one complaining that someone who worked under El Rufai has now become a governor. Complaining that bad leaders raise more bad leaders. So what stopped your angel from raising more angels into leadership positions when he was in office?

Again I state, true leaders raise an army of leaders, whether good leaders or bad leaders. If your leader is not raising an army of leaders (whether good or bad) then he is not a leader. He is selfish person only interested in himself.

Whether you agree with how they are running Lagos or not, 16 years after Tinubu left Lagos, all the governors are his protégées executing the masterplan he laid down. Obi has only been out of Anambra for months before Obianonstarted to reverse everything he claimed to have done (not that he did much). To the point that there is hardly a trace that was once a governor or any sign of continuity in anything he did. No protégées walking in his footsteps, no continuity of vision or plan.

Leaders raise protégées to continue after them, a man with no protégées is not a leader. Awo died almost 40 years ago, Ayo Adebanjo (his protégée). is still sounding the drum for his values. Like them or not wise and Amaechi are Odili boys, Fayose amongst many others is an Obasanjo boy. You may not agree with their leadership (I don’t) but they created protégées when they were in power. Where are Peter Obi’s protégées? If you CLAIM to be a saint but don’t create and empower saintly protégées and build them up to succeed you and continue your work, then don’t complain if you don’t have good people to succeed you.

meum:
They keep supporting themselves and people keep voting for them. How do we expect to see positive change? How will it happen?

He started working with ElRufai since his days as FCT Minister

When we say true leaders raise leaders you complain. How many people have worked under Peter Obi that have become anything?

Abi he wasn’t a governor for 8 yrs with SSAs, SAs, commissioners etc?

N3TRAL:
He dresses like a decent man.

What's all the rumour about him being a thug?

Somebody graduated at 41, what do you think he spent his youth doing?

Looks dodgy!

Aguogba:
Cry for Kano, not SS/SE 5million votes disappeared even with underage voting.

Kano still delivered 1.7 m votes with Bvas. We saw the videos of the rigging in SE and SS, it's just a different type of rigging.

inoki247:
Tears go plenty for this thread....

I sell Bucket if u wan buy 🪣🪣🪣🪣

they have another 16 years to cry!!!

pdp doing what they do best, what they were born do to...rigging with impunity!!! thanks to BVAS we are now seeing all their 1m, 2m votes from Se and SS was all a sham. some of them cant even get 600,000 votes with Bvas.

chiefolododo:
Northwest is not the only region, after 8 years of presidency, they do not deserve spots 1-4.

Speaker NW, deputy SE
senate President SS, deputy NE


As you sow you reap!!

obstead200:
this cannot be true. This is clearly a humourous campaign to discredit PO and make him look stupid.

It is a joke. His lawyers are far smarter than this

the guy does not need a campaign to look stupid. Everytime he opens his mouth he looks stupid.

I knew Obi was dumb but i didnt realise he was this dumb!!! the case was decided in 2003 https://old.nigerialii.org/ng/judgment/supreme-court/2003/6

This is how they spent their energies and legal fees fighting Buhari's certificate that he never required as a former Army General. if only they took their time to read they would have seen his work experience overaides his qualifications and the requirement is minimum so if you have a superior qualification, you dont need your WASC results!! Na wa for trader o!!!

LegendHero:
Number 3 is the most useless of the prayers.

If 25% is so important, then any candidate can just concentrate on Abuja and make sure by hook or by crook other candidate don’t have 25%.

So if you like win the remaining 36 states, if I can win only FCT, I will continue to force INEC rerun everytime.

Does that make sense to you?

it is the least sensible because this case had already been decided by the supreme court between Buhari and Obasanjo in 2003

HIGHESTPOPORI:
That Abuja 25% would nail Tinubu.Peter Obi is smart.Pdp would file case for rigging and none upload of results.Peter Obi covered other areas.Thats if this prayers are true becos premium times is pro apc.

Buhari already took Obasanjo to court for not getting 25% in FCT.......he lost the case!

https://old.nigerialii.org/ng/judgment/supreme-court/2003/6

this guy is a comedian, i though their petition was based on rigging, irev and due process?

IyaebeTheGreat:
Orji has borrowed Asiwaju’s slogan . Well, he can borrow it, he has been a very loyal Asiwaju’s boy.

He backed Lawan and he did not deliver his state. He said if presidency does not go to SE it should go to NE. SP should go to Akpabio, he w as 1st to step down for Tinubu.

Buddha3:
You're the only one using a phone that auto-corrects na.. .

To think I'm even arguing on grammatical correctness and sound use of appropriate phrases with you, feels like leisurely indulgence that I have allowed to linger beyond tolerance. While you'll do yourself much good to go learn the proper applications of "you lots", I'll let you bask in your palpable ignorance.

Like I said this is social media. Certain mistakes are forgivable. Certain errors betray your level of education and social background. You don’t mistakenly type “you lots”. You type “you lots”. Because you are a village idiot from a down trodden background who received your education from a run down school.

I am not an Uncle Tom who sees the west as superior but Unfortunately the fact is as a Nigerian, your command of English says a lot about you…..about your background, your social status, you education. Even those who attempt to speak in a fake foreign accent, it says a lot about them. You can tell a difference raff just by his comman of the English language.


You don’t mistakenly say or type “you lots”….it’s the language of the great unwashed, lowlifes and riffraff!

QuotaSystem:
Sore emotional losers.

Recognizing the supremacy of God in appointing leaders is a hallmark of Christianity.

I respect the RCCG now more than ever, among many other ministries that refused to be dragged into blindly supporting a weak and inferior candidate like Obi based on religious sentiments.

Actually I lost respect for them for dabbling in politics when they thought Osinbajo could become president. Actually I’ve never had much respect for the Pentecostal church. To me they have always been scammers. What disappointed me in this election were some catholic priests from the SE.

I am a Christian but the church has been damaged by its deviation from its role in 2023 politics.