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Health › Re: Corona Virus Is A Premeditated Evil(photos) by CaveAdullam: 8:30am On Feb 17, 2020

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon now the Chinese Doctor whistleblower mysteriously was the first to die from the virus. They first tried to hush him up when he warned about the outbreak nah. I'll soon too get my grubby hands on this book. Thanks.

Inside life. I will find spare hours to go through my own copy.

Well done Sir.

Health › Re: Corona Virus Is A Premeditated Evil(photos) by CaveAdullam: 7:52am On Feb 17, 2020

With speed of light, I downloaded the book.

What huh

?

uncle budatuum, come see something o. Old classic specimen of a human being @muttleylaff, come see o.

Romance › Re: My GF Lacks Financial Commitment To Me by CaveAdullam: 7:28pm On Feb 12, 2020*

This generation of young men and girlfriend troubles.

Treating your girlfriend well is good, at least to maintain the masculine pride. But my problem is you made her feel entitled not only to a better treatment but to a monthly stipend. Who does that? You of course, because you have allowed yourself to be enslaved by "audio love."

So she works her money and straight to the bank, but you, no. You work your money day and night and use some reasonable percentage to please her. I pity you my friend!

Your girlfriend is an employer of labour, lends you money, and when you failed to meet up with the payment deadline she threatened you with military might. O my Lord! Is this not an indication that the relationship is heading towards the red sea and no Moses rod at sight?

Oga, from this "one side of the story" your girlfriend is using you to play emotional, psychological and financial "ten-ten."

Kit up bro, that lady is not yours except she adjust to a better side.

Why you wait for a reasonable wife material, take some miseducation pills from my oga ubunja and Martinez. The miseducations may not be taken for a gospel but it will definitely relief you in a way you never expected.

Thank you.

God bless.

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Science/Technology › Re: Canadian Farmer Discovers New Tyrannosaur Species, One Of The Oldest Kind Ever by CaveAdullam: 2:58pm On Feb 12, 2020

RonaldoVido:
Likely, there has been several generations of living things on the face of the earth. Each of those world must have been destroyed at some point by Climatic conditions like rain in Noah's account.

Mankind would have been totally destroyed if not for Noah's ark.

I believe several worlds were destroyed by water before the Noah's incident.

The talk today is global warming and Floods. That's how it starts.

You are not far from the truth bro.

In every rumour, be it Creation, Evolution, Big Bang Theory, Adaptation, Mutation, Natural selection etc there is an element of truth embedded.

The problem of Man is which is the correct Truth? My belief is, if we come to a stage were we can be open minded, guiding our hearts with all diligence, we will definitely know truth and moves towards its place.

Thanks.

God bless.

Science/Technology › Re: Canadian Farmer Discovers New Tyrannosaur Species, One Of The Oldest Kind Ever by CaveAdullam: 6:05pm On Feb 11, 2020

astOorR:
Nice one bro,
The truth is science has never contradicted the scriptures, only confuse scientists do so.
These discoveries justify the book of genesis.

Science is an unstoppable force!

My gratefulness to God is that: He is open for investigations, He never interferes with the brains of all individuals involve in this investigations and science is not limited to some special group of people(anyone willing and passionate about science can practice it).

A proper exegesis of the Bible, coupled with prayer and the perfect help of the Holy Spirit will lead us to the truth and right understanding.

I love the way science is making me prove my faith with works/logic. Wow! Yummy!

Thanks.

God bless.

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Science/Technology › Re: Canadian Farmer Discovers New Tyrannosaur Species, One Of The Oldest Kind Ever by CaveAdullam: 5:18pm On Feb 11, 2020

drips8:
I wonder how religious people feel when they read news like this.

Do they doubt their faith because I'm beginning to.

Science has come to enlighten, it cut across many middles, religion inclusive. It is a very important tool as it sheds more light concerning many of the things recorded in the Bible and other historical documents, and I like it. Yummy!

For me my Faith is not shaken but becomes toughen when I read articles like this, because I know the earth is more than 4-6 thousand years old. Poor understanding has made many settled for this kind of interpretation.

According to my oga at the top @budaatum, all needs to open their mind.

Thanks bro.

God bless.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by CaveAdullam: 12:11pm On Feb 05, 2020

Thanks for this wonderful discourse NuissancePolice, I love it when you termed it an intellectual exercise. Indeed it is coupled with the way you and Mitocyan are handling the issue.

Sarah Salviander said this in one of her tweets and I quote;
I am not aware that debate ever work to convert people, at least not on the spot. It may, however, introduce ideas that will later bear fruits.

NuissancePolice:
1. Is there any objective proof that a being created the universe? What is it?

Yes. Creations are, ranging from man, animal, stars, sky, moon, sun etc.

Every design has an intelligent designer, e.g robots, cars, jets, houses, books etc. Nothing cannot produce something. So therefore, natural creations are proofs of the abilities of this "Supreme Being God."

NuissancePolice:
2. Every proponent of the "God exists theory" believes so based on what they heard or read. Never based on real proof. Why should I believe that the events about God in the bible or koran is true?

The Bible/Koran was not there from the beginning, at least billions of men existed before they were finally compiled, so it will be wrong for you to say the belief in a Supreme Being God is based on facts recorded in religious texts.

My late grandmother knew about "god" through her idols without ever reading any religious texts.

Even in the religious circle many haven't had the opportunity to read their religious book, nevertheless, they still believe in God. Maybe "intuition" is at play here, who knows?

I'm not against religious texts because they are needed for proper understanding based on your religion. On the other hand they must be scrutinized in order to verify their claims, and I love such intellectual exercise that serves as a medium to leap them from a ground state of blind faith to an excited state of reasonable faith.

NuissancePolice:
3. Why is there no objective proof of miracles in this era of civilisation as it were in the era of Jesus christ and Moses?

How many places in your life have you visited in this era of civilisation? How many churches/shrines/mosques have you observed over a long period of time to ascertain their miraculous claims?

Don't be a NuisancePolice, who just wake up, arrest, detain or convict everyone located in a crime scene without proper investigations.

For a start, you can use the Oba Palace and his shrines in Benin city, Edo state to help you understand more on the miraculous/supernatural. Camera men, video experts will be there live as you carry out your investigations. Wish you good luck but only if you are ready.

NuissancePolice:
4. There is a very great conflict between all the gods of all the religion with each claiming their God is superior. Given that the conflict in all religion is caused by "uncertainity", wouldn't it be more efficient for God to reveal himself (or atleast with objective proof like how he established himself through elijah) physically as the true God?

First of all, all religions from the East to the West acknowledges the existence of a Supreme Being God. There is no conflict there. The conflict is which way is right in accessing this Supreme Being God.

To cut the long story short, God revealed Himself physically to the world but skeptics like you rejected Him. Even if He dares to again many will still reject Him, even as they are doing at the moment.

Under close examination of all religions, you will find out that Christ Jesus is the True God/ the One sitting down at the right hand of the True God.

NuissancePolice:
5. Anyone that does not serve God will go to hell. How can we reconcile this with the concept of "free will"?

Anyone that does not drink water for a very long time will die of dehydration, then I begin to wonder of what use is my freewill if I decide not to take water?

Will you blame water that is available if you die of thirst?

NuissancePolice:
6. Allah, Jehovah, Zeus, Santa etc are gods of some of the most popular religions but one thing that they all have in common is the ability to hide themselves from their subjects, leaving them confused and at the mercy of trial by error. Why is this so? It looks like the gods or God enjoy the misery men face in trying to find which of them is the authentic god.

Me too, I love the drama. I love the whole scene. I love the characters in play.

The True God is already manifesting, all you need to do is to investigate who the True God is instead of behaving like a NuisancePolice.

NuissancePolice:
7. Let's assume that God exists. What makes him sure that there is no other God existing in another dimension and hiding as he (current God) is doing from humanity? If God does not believe thet there is no other God besides him, does that not ultimately make God an athiest?

I really love the way you are putting your brain cells to work.

God is the uncreated eternal creator. With this definition no room for another creator/God.

NuissancePolice:
8. Why is God very good at "healing" diseases and anomalies that are mostly internal and not physically obvious like barreness, stomach pain, blood diseases etc. but is very bad at external ones like cuts, wounds, amputations, burns etc.? Hospitals have documented evidences of medical procedures that solved people's health problems. Is there any documented evidence of any of Gods miracles for us to watch? There are atleast a million purported cases of miracles from God but zero verifiable and documented evidence. Why? Why don't pastors or christians heal the sick found in hospitals and on the streets like Jesus did?

Visit the Lords Chosen, the Bride Assembly, Eternity network international, Dunamis to verify this exaggerated claims of yours.

Investigate bro, don't be a lazy and a NuissancePolice. Do your policing work well and don't based your facts or claims on hearsay.

NuissancePolice:
9. The wages of sin is death. Death according to christianity means eternal torment in hell fire. My question is does 1 billion years of torture in fire for stealing, killing etc. resonate with the concept of God being just, merciful and loving?

1. It is to maintain law and order.

2. According to your 1 billion years claim, I think the torturing will be a rehabilitation process.

3. It is a good reward for those who are righteous and abide by the law. If you don't punish the wicked for their actions, then, there will be no good persons around. Only a NuissancePolice will allow both criminals and good citizens to mingle together.

NuissancePolice:
10. Why is there no clear pathway in approaching the things of God? Why are there more unanswered prayers than "answered" ones? For instance, is Boko Haram stronger than the prayers made by all the christians in Nigeria and the world at large?

There is a clear pathway. It is either you have refused to follow the narrow pathway because it is too small or you decided to create a pathway for yourself which cannot lead to God.

I got tens of answered prayers and looking up to my thousands. Prayer is a process, miss a single step and it becomes unanswered. Thank God that NuissancePolice still acknowledges that at least there are "answered prayers" even though they are few.

NuissancePolice:
Caveat:
This is purely an intellectual exercise. There is no intent to mock anyone. It would be greatly appreciated if this thread is treated as such with minimum religious or ethnic sentiments.

Cc: Seun, OAM4J, mynd44

Thank you. I am open for correction, suggestions and more intellectual exercise. I will also appreciate your recommendation of good books for my enlightenment.

Thanks.

God bless.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Tired Of Christianity(the Imaginary God) by CaveAdullam: 3:45pm On Jan 26, 2020

Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?

Dididrumz:
What sort of Faith is this?

There is this popular song we used to sing in church.

"i will never worship man made God, man made God"

Who told us the God we are worshipping is not man made?

Our only proof/conviction of his existence is in a book written by man: they say inspired by God, Who told You so?

That is blind faith if the only prove you have as for God's existence is the Holy Bible. Blind Faith bro, blind faith!

Matthew 5:8
NIV:Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Dididrumz:
Same book that is inconsistent itself?
Same book that people pick up verses that suits their selling point and the rest thrown away?

Are the authors of the Bible mad? Didn't they see those contradictions? ouch bullshit!

Maybe you are the lazy one, of course you are because if you have seen God you wouldn't have seen contradictions in the Holy Bible.

You are not called to read the story lines but to learn lessons because the letter killeth and you are dying already per your post, but the spirit gives life.

2 Corinthians 3:6
NIV:He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Now this is the purpose of the 66 books of the Bible you are holding.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
NIV:All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

NIV:so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Dididrumz:
They say we are one body in Christ right?
One group says a Woman must not do make ups, must not make her hair, must not put on trousers and all that.

Another group says its no problem: women can make their hairs, can do make ups, can put on trousers.

Who is lying? But they all got their stance from the same book and we're all of the same faith?

One group says all who do these things to we have said not to do will go to hell.
Who should we believe?

Like David have you carried out this kind of investigation?

Psalms 73:16-17
NIV:When I tried to understand all this, it troubled me deeply

NIV:till I entered the sanctuary of God; then I understood their final destiny.

Try to work bro so that you can discover the real truth, after all faith without work is dead.

Dididrumz:
Someone is born blind and they say God has a reason for He/She being born blind. But this person still dies blind, and prayed for sight till the day he died.

Do you know this "someone" or just speaking from your own imagination?

How do you justify this?

John 9:2-11
[b]As he went went along, he saw a man blind from birth.

NIV:His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

NIV:“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

NIV:As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work.

NIV:While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

NIV:After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes.

NIV:“Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.

NIV:His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?”

NIV:Some claimed that he was. Others said, “No, he only looks like him.” But he himself insisted, “I am the man.”

NIV:“How then were your eyes opened?” they asked.

NIV:He replied, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see.[/b]

I guess you are the liar here and not the innocent Bible.

Dididrumz:
A woman was caught in the act of adultery, and she was to be stoned to death. Was she Sleeping with a dog? Why is there no refence to who was in the act with her?
Inconsistency of the Holy book.

what a dumb statement.

You would have asked for the kind of food they ate together before the act.

Pew.

How does this statement of yours proves the inconsistency of the Bible?

Pew.

Dididrumz:
Adam was created, and Eve from Him. Adam slept with His wife Eve and they had a son Cain.
He went in again and they had another son Abel.
It was time for sacrifice, and the two sons brought their sacrifices. One was accepted(Abel) and the other was rejected (Cain).
Cain got angry and killed his brother Abel.
And a curse was placed upon him to be a vagabond.
And so he started walking untill he met a group of person and He got married; Where did they come from?
What sort of inconsistency is this?

common sense should have told you that as at that time incest was not prohibited.

What about the blessing of God upon Adam and Eve, have you considered it for once?

Genesis 1:28
NIV:God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Dididrumz:
A potion of the bible says bring your tithe to the store house.
Another potion says gather your family and buy fine wine with your tithe and ve merry.

The list goes on and on about the so much controversy in the same book that holds the believe of an existence of a supreme being that watches over his people. Yet there is so much pain and sorrow towards his believers.

Too much lies.
I rest my case here for now.

Someone that has studied the old testament back to back won't find any controversy with the issue of tithe as pertaining to the Israelites alone.

OkCornel can help you solve the mystery of tithe if you so desire.

You need to readress your case against God and not rest so quickly, because if you don't you will lose like one of our politicians; Emeka Ihediohia.

I am a believer of Christ Jesus and I don't know which pain and sorrows you are talking about, because Christ paid the price for me on the Cross and by the Holy Spirit through Faith I am experiencing my victory.

Isaiah 53:4-5
NIV:Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

NIV:But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why God Didn't Help Leah Sharibu! by CaveAdullam: 2:19pm On Jan 26, 2020

John Foxe book of martyrs comes to mind.

Politics › Re: Forgotten History Of Igbo Tribe And Northern Alliance by CaveAdullam: 11:48am On Jan 24, 2020

One story but in different narrations, colours and sizes begins to make one ponder on that which is true or false. Everyone seems to have verifiable points but none agrees with the other. It means either sides are wrong or just one. But which side will the laymen stand?

doclatom, Sanchez01, Area4Area, naptu2 please for me personally I want to know at least the truth even if I don't get it all in respect to this matter. You can recommend links/books for proper enlightenment or better still create wonderful threads.

Na beg I dey beg una o.

A wonderful thread and a nice read.

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Education › Re: Please Your Opinion Is Seriously Needed by CaveAdullam: 9:16pm On Jan 22, 2020

At 300L you are almost at the finishing line.

Put more effort to your study and come out with good grades. If after graduation you still have the urge to become a military officer, then your good grades will be a booster dose to help you to the top in the NDA.

The ball is in your court, if you are hundred percent sure that ignoring your study at this level for the NDA will give you happiness and long lasting joy then you can proceed.

If you are still confuse and not sure of what to do and you are a Christian study Proverbs 3:4-6 and let the Holy Spirit lead you.

Thanks.

God bless.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by CaveAdullam: 5:58pm On Jan 22, 2020

Tamaratonye1:
Your dishonesty leaves a stench that makes vomit appear pleasant.

According to christian dogma, your god created the entire universe, is incredibly powerful and all-knowing. According to christian dogma there is no higher power than your god.

Understand this, if there is "evil" in this world, your god is responsible for it.

Thanks for trying to school me Tama, lol. Once again you are guilty of faith.

How come you quickly reached a conclusion that a god is responsible for evil when you don't believe in the existence of that god? You even want me to "understand"............lol

Anyways you are right but unfortunately for you that "god" is also your "god."

Now you can know the difference between "god" and "God."

Thank you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 11:44am On Jan 22, 2020

CaveAdullam:
No need for all this rigmarole.

Janosky:
John 17:21-23
21 THAT THEY MAY ALL BE ONE ,JUST
AS
YOU, FATHER ARE IN ME, AND I IN
YOU THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE IN US,
so that the world may believe that you
have sent me. 22 The glory that you
have given me I have given to them,
THAT THEY MAY BE ONE EVEN AS WE
ARE ONE "
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Again, Jesus Christ in John 20:17 rejected your twisting of John20:28.
Jesus is saying his disciples and himself worship the same God, he is ascending to.
Jesus is theos (a god/God) who has his God.
Yahweh,the Most High has no God. Psalms 83:18. Psalms 110:1(ASV).
In heaven, Yahweh Commanded Jesus: "Sit at my right hand"
***********************
Rev3:5,12 In heaven Jesus Christ is a servant of his God, Yahweh.
CaveAdullam, you are LYING and you choose to be blind to the truth.
Enjoy your delusion.

That's it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Women Become Pastors by CaveAdullam: 10:30pm On Jan 21, 2020

MuttleyLaff:
God bless you real good FinallyDead, for being an admirably ardent stickler for the ethos of 2 Timothy 2:15 but my brother JMAN05 here, whom I have the utmost respect and regards for, has decided to interpret the greek word "anthropos" from where we have the English word "anthropology" (i.e. the scientific study of humans, human behavior and societies in the past and present) to mean and/or to be something exclusively about males and/or men only, lol

I just love how our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and the Apostles (e.g. Peter, Paul etcetera) usually backtrack, go down into scripture (i.e. the Old Testament) and then, either verbatim quote from them or paraphrase them. They demonstrate that the New Testament indeed, is in the Old Testament concealed, and so therefore go about revealing the Old Testament in the New Testament. Praise the Lord Alleluia. God is Good jor.

That was a finishing touch especially with that Psalms 68:18. I think the argument is Finallydead except solite3 gives an answer to that question.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by CaveAdullam: 8:11pm On Jan 21, 2020

Tamaratonye1:
Based on your faith, is your god responsible for everything? Yes or no.

My God is not responsible for the spaghetti I ate this afternoon but He is responsible enough to give me mouth with a nice sets of healthy teeth and tongue so that I can eat anything that pleases me.

Shikena!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by CaveAdullam: 5:37pm On Jan 21, 2020

Tamaratonye1:
The false equivalences are getting tiresome, mister. Based on your faith, is your god responsible for everything? Yes or no.

god huh!

You are not ready for an answer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Women Become Pastors by CaveAdullam: 3:53pm On Jan 21, 2020

JMAN05:
Maybe you should help me understand your point. Did I not understand your comment as I responded?

If I did understand it, am not yet seeing how your point best explains Paul's writings.

if you say so, no prob bro.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Women Become Pastors by CaveAdullam: 3:05pm On Jan 21, 2020

JMAN05:
What is not expressly commanded? That a woman can preach?

If I understand you, you are saying that men as used in that verse 8 is about men and women. You gave examples to back your point. Granted, many cases where "men" occur in the scriptures, men and women are meant, in fact it could refer to humans as a whole.

However, in this Bible portion, men who take the lead are meant. They are the gift meant here. (verse 11)

Notice what verse 11 said of these gifts: "he have some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers. "

It didn't say that he gave some gift of prophesying. No, rather he gave some as apostles, prophets etc. So, Paul was stating that the men taking the lead in the congregation are gifts given to the Congregation by God. This was not about the miraculous gift issued to the congregation.

Why was these men gifts (apostles, prophets etc) given to the congregation? And why does this show that it was an office of oversight, not just a common position held by others?

Verse 12,13

"For perfecting the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of faith, and of knowledge of the son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ."

From these, we can infer that the "gifts in men" ( men taking the lead) are the ones meant here, inclusive are the apostles whom Jesus appointed. They are not women, but men given to the congregation to readjust them towards achieving the unity in the body of Christ.

The same thing is implied in verse 28 of 1cor. 12.

It said God has set/appointed some first, as apostles, second, as prophets, thirdly as teachers ; then....' he now began to mention gift of the spirit.

I am not saying that God didn't give his holy spirit to the apostles, prophets, etc. No, rather Paul was not talking about that in Eph 4:8,11. He was rather saying that 'it is men God has given to the congregation as gifts to assist it. These men occupy as prophets, apostles, evangelizers, shepherds and teachers.

2. You keep mentioning the General Overseer as the head. well, for true Christian congregation, the head is Christ, not anyone else. One man head that we observe in churches is unscriptural. Christ is the head. However, a body of elders take the lead in guiding the flock of God on Earth. That is a matter for another discussion.

You are just trying to twist 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 to satisfy your opinion. Both passages are clear like daylight, and there is no need trying to upsurge a particular interpretation.

My points are already stated in my previous posts, repeating myself will be of no essence.

Thanks.

God bless.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 2:50pm On Jan 21, 2020

AntiChristian:
Don't confuse yourself!
Jesus can't worship the father whom he is one with nor can he cry Eli, Eli Eli Lama....to someone whom he is one with!

No need for all this rigmarole.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 11:31am On Jan 21, 2020

AntiChristian:
Jesus must be a talking to himself too in this situations!

Matthew 26:39
'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken away from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will'

Matthew 26:42
He went away a second time and prayed, 'My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done'

Mark 14:36
"'Abba, Father,' he said, 'everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will"

Luke 22:41-42
'Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done'

Even Jesus bowed for Himself here!
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." Matthew 26:39

One Godhead manifesting in three offices that is As Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by CaveAdullam: 9:56am On Jan 21, 2020

Tamaratonye1:
Your statement is built on a dishonest interpretation. I stated ...

"Based on your beliefs, your god is responsible for everything"

I debate my position as if it was based on your religion.

Ask a Muslim, ask a Roman Catholic, ask a protestant, ask anyone of any religion, they all state that their beliefs are based on faith. So many different positions, all defended by faith. Which is the right one? They can't all be correct. That is because their "faith" is not backed up by evidence or anything tangible, just an acceptance anyone can accept.

You do not believe God exists and at the same time you are asking me to prove His duty over the lives of innocent children.

Me I don't understand you o.

Tamaratonye1:
You can believe anything based on "faith", it is not the pathway to the truth.

Man up, take ownership of your faith in your god who gives innocent children cancer. Is your god responsible for everything? Yes or no.

You are guilty of the crime called "Faith."

Faith is first believe then work is deployed, this is no blind faith my brother.

Have you proven the existence of your mind like other parts of your body?

Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 8:10am On Jan 21, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
You have abandoned John 14:9-11 and grasping at straws. Even at that, your submissions are watery.

Jesus said he is the way, no one goes to the father without him. This is an indication that he (Jesus) is the subordinate of Jehovah. Jesus didn't mention, at no point in the bible that he is Jehovah. If he did, show us.

I have shown you already but your dogmatic nature won't allow you to accept it.

If I ask a representative to show me where his boss is, he will either give me his address or phone number unlike Christ that boldly proclaimed that He was the Father in John 14:9-11.

FOLYKAZE:
The verse reads :and his name shall be called... It didn't say his name is... Two different cases

I answer my father's name on many occasions, does that makes me my father? He is a personality and I am a distinctive and separate person. What is it you don't understand?

you are the one that don't understand that the Godhead is One i.e one Manifesting in three offices at the same time.

FOLYKAZE:
You are the one telling us God killed himself to appeals himself. Not so? Prove your case. Don't tell me your own viewpoint, dig into the bible and show us where Jesus said he is Jehovah.

Done that long time ago but you were unable to comprehend.

FOLYKAZE:
Another hogwash.

Holy spirit is in believers, does that mean believers are same as holy spirit?

Inconsequential

Where in the verse above did you see the word 'all'? It simply says Jesus is the power and wisdom of God. It didn't say he is ALL. Stop making things up.

You seriously have a gap between sole management and administrative system. But I can help you.

1. In sole management, everything can be completed on your singular authority and might.

2. In Administrative system, power is separate within the
bureaucrats.

Now, in the bureaucracy, the lowest person in the Pyramid is also an image of the top most person. At that moment, the lowest bares the power and authority of the topmost person.

So sir, I don't know what else you don't understand here.

Image mean representation.

Get a dictionary next time if you don't understand a word instead of embarrassing yourself.

Colossians 1:15-18 has settled your arguments but if you can't comprehend your headache bro.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by CaveAdullam: 7:15am On Jan 21, 2020

Tamaratonye1:
For man to fly, it was not faith but a desire to fly, like the birds. This desire goes back thousands of years, as recalled by the famous tale of Icarus. But the Wright brothers did not have faith, their efforts was a continuation of the works of others. They did not invent the internal combustion engine, they just took this and modified it for aviation use. They were aware of the works of Otto Lilienthal, who flew crude gliders. But from Lilienthal they learned the lessons of controllability since Lilienthal lost control, stalled, and fell to the earth to die.

Their work was not "faith" but an understanding that all the pieces were there, they systematically tackled each problem solved them, and flew.

"Faith" is just blind acceptance of anything. Am I against "religious faith"? Yes, because it has zero foundation, just blind acceptance that can lead people to do stupid or bad things. Unfortunately, almost all religious faith is tested by doing something so stupid you die. There are people who killed others via suicide bombs or flew aircraft into building because of their faith.

I do not practice "faith". I look both ways before I cross the street, I check my bank balance to make sure all the numbers are correct, and I will never buy anything from a stranger just because they say "have faith".

Man desires to fly but couldn't not fly. They know they can fly, they believe they can fly and sat down their ass to work.

All I see is faith and work in action.

Tamaratonye1:
Wow, you do not know anything about cancer. You could be from the richest family on this planet, with the best health care, yet be struck down by cancer.

And many rich people still survive cancer.

Tamaratonye1:
Based on your beliefs, your god is responsible for everything, including the conditions the children were born into.. Why is your god so cruel as to make innocent children suffer?

Now you are saying God is responsible for all the children on earth. In another words you are indirectly proving He exists. Because you cannot hold a non existing thing responsible for the death of any child.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by CaveAdullam: 8:48pm On Jan 20, 2020

Tamaratonye1:
Faith is what you use when you have no evidence to back your claims.

The fallacy you are using is called, an EQUIVOCATION FALLACY.

Equivocation happens when a word, phrase, or sentence is used deliberately to confuse, deceive, or mislead by sounding like it’s saying one thing but actually saying something else.

Your faith is nothing like the trust we have, based on experience and data.

More bullshit from a theist.

You didn't make any point here.

Tamaratonye1:
Oh my, you just stepped into my wheelhouse. The Wright brothers did not use any faith, in fact, they studied their predecessors, they rigorously tested everything about flight before attempting to do so. They built and tested their own engine. The built a wind tunnel to verify the aerodynamics, they built and flew kites, and the entire process was one of checking and verifying everything before moving onto the next step.

Faith is first believing that metal can fly even when it has not been tested. Work was put into action and the result was shown.

Work verified that the faith is true.

Tamaratonye1:
You seem to know a lot about the qualities of your god. I have a question, why do some innocent children suffer horribly and die from cancer?

1. Poverty.

2. Insufficient health care facilities.

3. Low number of health care personnel.

4. Low number of trained health personnel.

5. Low health care budget.

6. Accessibility to health care facilities.

7. Illiteracy on the side of the parents.

8. Poor follow up by health personnels especially for out patients.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by CaveAdullam: 6:21pm On Jan 20, 2020

I knew it another circle of arguments.

Yawns.

Bacteriologist:
"Wannabe." you have barely got through the first line of your comment and I get an insult. Even though you're someone who "doesn't do insults."

Lol...you haven't even got off from the start and your dishonesty is hanging out in the air like a thread. Smh

if wannabe sounds offensive to you, I'm sorry bro. No pun intended.

Bacteriologist:
so perhaps if religious people stopped trying to control the lives of non-religious people we would be happy to let them ride down their mythology and fairy talish god to the moon and back.

god is not real but religions are and religion will never stop trying to impose its own views of morality on even people who don't accept it(Blasphemy laws, Homophobia, Anti-abortion etc) . So that is why we must talk about it.

Also, I don't see doctors not talk about cancer because they don't have cancer.

So the fact that we don't practice religion doesn't mean we can't talk down against it. So... AGAIN RIGHT up FROM the START we have got a whole lot of fallacies and strawmans to deal with..lmao but hey it is something I expect from virtually every theists out there. Grabbing at straws.

And it is our duty also to turn the eyes of you and your likes to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Bacteriologist:
Wrong. You don't need faith to believe things that are tested and trusted. You don't need Faith to believe that an electric bulb that has been "TESTED and TRUSTED" will start working immediately it is plugged in.

How difficult is that?

Think about that for a second dude.

Faith is believing in the electric bulb to bring out light even when it has not be tested by you.

If you have no idea of light why did you purchase it?

Bacteriologist:
yeah so now even if you just contradicted the statement you made up^^ there you're now starting to get the gist. Faith is believing in something that has no reason whatsoever to justify itself as true. So again you're proving my point, with faith you can believe in ANYTHING you want.

There's this thing? Yes.
Does it have evidence? No.
Can it be tested? No.
Can it be trusted? No.
Is it the truth? We don't know yet.
Then can we believe it and claim it as true? Yes ONLY by faith.

There is absolutely NOTHING that cannot be believed on Faith grounds...and this is what I've classified as the biggest downfall of faith. So you might want to go through my original post again to avoid making me repeat myself unnecessarily.

I am still waiting for the evidence of the Human Mind that has been demonstrated, proven to be actually true like other parts of the body.

Bacteriologist:
No... actually on the flight you can ask for the authenticity of the pilots to fly plane. You can demand EVIDENCE that the pilot is indeed qualified to fly the plane. That is not Faith. Faith is RECOGNISING that there is NO EVIDENCE for something and still believing it anyway.

So you asked for the evidence that the pilot is able/qualified to fly the plane. And he cannot provide it. But you board it anyway. That is FAITH.

Dude take ALL the time you need to internalise that.

And in your mind a proselyte cannot forge the qualifications of a pilot.

Mtcheeeeew.

Bacteriologist:
That faith is entrusted in the knowledge that your mum has been serving the food right after scolding you and she never for once poisoned it. That is the evidence you need to warrant the trust that she's not going to poison your food the next time she gives you one.

The real faith would be having a mother who reportedly poisons people after scolding them i.e you have NO REASON to justify that she's not going to poison your food (because she has done that a lot of times in the past) and you still go on to eat that food right after scolding you. That's faith. Hmm.... Is it difficult?

Again take ALL the time you need to understand this.

[quote author=Bacteriologist post=85962860]AGAIN.....DUDE the EVIDENCE FOR the classification of plants is readily available upon demand. You can go out there and ask a botanist why plants are classified like they are lol.(and oh...microbiologists don't teach about plant life so you're also wrong there. But I understand your ignorance about science).

if you say so.

Bacteriologist:
Wrong again. Not actually witnessing something doesn't make it automatically false. we will still need to investigate, look for records, historical findings that points to the fact that William Shakespeare did write the books even though we didn't see him do it.

You do not get to automatically conclude that you have Faith when you have not even looked for the evidence that William Shakespeare did write those books and you did not find it.

Faith would be not finding any evidence to justify that he did write those books and still going on to believe that William wrote those books.

How many times have I defined faith now?

Keep that in füčking mind.

Faith is first believing he wrote those books then work is then needed to acertian if this is the real truth.

So again faith without work/logic is dead.

Bacteriologist:
I am interested in how you can believe the "truth" when the "truth" is yet unknown??

The same way you believe in the woman who you mother even if you didn't witness your delivery from her womb.

Right from childhood you have believed her to be your mother which is faith, based on your works/logic/common sense I guess you have proved it to be the truth.

Bacteriologist:
so how did you know that it is the truth when this truth has not revealed itself? FOR FüçK SAKE DUDE how could you conclude that you're believing in the truth when you, yourself just admitted that the truth has not revealed itself?

HOW CAN I EVEN REMOTELY KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT THE TRUTH SOOOOOUNDS LIKE WHEN I HAVE ZERO IDEA WHAT THE TRUTH IS?

NAIRALAND WHERE'S THE FACE PALM EMOJI?

Dude you need to learn logic. Its going to be a total waste of time continuing this discussion because I cannot believe you just said that bullshït up there. For god füčking sake

Truth is already there, it is not unknown, it is left for you to discover it yourself. You use faith to draw to the truth in your works. If it not what it proclaims after doing necessary work and holding good faith then it was never the truth.

I can't explain this any further if you are unable to comprehend.

Bacteriologist:
Yes, we tell them first then we SHOW them EVIDENCE 1+1=2. We DEMONSTRATE it. We PROVE it. God dude! So that they can now believe based on evidence and not Faith. because we know very well that FAITH is NOT a reliable past to knowledge or truth. FOR FÜÇKS SAKE DUDE

Jesus FÜÇKING CHRIST!! YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT WE VERIFY HOW 1 + 1 = 2 FOR KIDS

AND

YOU COME BACK TO ASK ME HOW WE CAN VERIFY THAT 1+1 = 2?

Ok...Cave...go ask the kids. Because they now definitely are more intelligent than you.

Listen to the two sides of my claim.

Bacteriologist:
Why would that be important to the fact that FAITH is NOT required to believe mathematical equations that have evidence and can be proved?,

Jesus what's your IQ..11??

Now this is the closest thing to a statement of logical reasoning that you have said throughout your reply.

The Wright brothers believed that a metal shaped in a particular kind of way could fly. They had faith in it and then went on to prove it. And so faith was no longer required. They put in work to prove their claims and that is why it is accepted by sane minds. BECAUSE FAITH IS NOT ENOUGH.

My stance still remains faith and work. If you know you know.

Bacteriologist:
SO let me guess you're living in Antarctica and that is why you have never seen clay and water get mixed to form mud

Folks this is why religion is a cancer. Can you imagine the level of dishonesty and a logical reasoning from this guy. Claims to never have seen clay mix with water. Smh

I am basically laughing my ass off right now.

you are laughing hysterically about this fact because you think you have evidences or my claims are false. You believe it even if you don't know me except on this forum. This is Faith. But you need work in order to prove if it is the truth.

Bacteriologist:
Dude YOU ARE SICK.

I'm NOT YOUR BRO. Yes, faith can be useful when there's NO truth. When there's NO evidence.

I do get the clarification. It is YOU who is throwing words around sheepishly to look cool and justify your obvious ingenuity.

I am pretty much certain that your brain is sealed mate.

Oh finally you get to agree with me on something.

Faith without works is dead.

But works without faith is not dead.

Faith - Works = Dead. Nothing. Zero. Zilch.

Works - Faith = Not Dead.

Faith = 0
And works >0

Therefore faith is useless.

So faith is useless.

Your headache.

Bacteriologist:
Oh Hallelujah! can't believe I've come to the end. I felt like I lost like 10 IQ points trying to reason with you. You can be very sure that will never happen again.

I don't do insults but right off the bat of your reply comes an insult. Got to love.your godly honesty and humility right there...innit dude...lmao

You do not have the right to tell people what you think they should and their sentences with. and I certainly wouldn't be taking orders from you because if anything you have justified the fact that you need a lot of studying to do.

You gave me a good laugh replying to you nonsensical post. But I loved it anyway.

Please try to read something other than the Bible. You DEFINITELY need it.

A fool is always wise in his own eyes. A proverb and not intended to be an insult.

Good day bro.

Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 5:27pm On Jan 20, 2020

AntiChristian:
OK, 1. When Jesus was in the womb of Mary, Was the Father & Spirit also there? (Yes or No)

2. Did they all came out together? (Yes or No) 3. when did dey separate?

3. When John.... baptized Jesus a voice came from heaven saying this is my beloved son...? Whose voice? Jesus, Spirit or father or the three together?

Psalms 139:7-12
KJV:Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8
KJV:If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
9
KJV:If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
10
KJV:Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
11
KJV:If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
12
KJV:Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 5:09pm On Jan 20, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
Nowhere in John 14:9-11 did Jesus mentioned that he is the Father. You are only cooking that up.

These two statements : 'Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.' and 'The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority' is a confirmation that Jesus acted as a representative of God.

If Jesus Christ wasn't the father why did He not give Thomas the answer or way to the Father?

Isaiah 9:6
KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

FOLYKAZE:
And in case you don't know how representative job work, you can Google that.

Jesus Christ was not a representative of God on earth oga. It was the Godhead manifesting Himself in the flesh.

2 Corinthians 5:19
KJV:To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

FOLYKAZE:
While at that, you still have the duty of showing us where Jesus said he is Jehovah.

In a criminal investigation you don't need a perfect replay of the crime scene before you swing into investigations or conclude justice. You come to justice by summing reasonable circumstantial evidences even when the puzzle is not totally giving the clear picture but at least a reasonable one.

Jesus Christ is Jehovah in the Body. If He is a representative of Jehovah then Jehovah was foolish and powerless in the almost 34 years Jesus Christ spent on earth until His ascension. Because Jesus Christ is the power and wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 1:24
KJV:But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

If anyone is sent as a representative will he posses all the wisdom and power of the one that sent him?

FOLYKAZE:
Godhead is one, more like the royal circle or the presidency or marriage. However, in the presidency, even though the SGF is referred to as the Presidency, he/she is not the GCFR.

More like in Marriage institution. Two human; a man and woman become one. The oneness is marriage, it doesn't make both couple a single entity.

If I were to fire more shots, John 17:20-22 is the best projectile because it explains that believers are one.
What does this oneness mean? Marriage and or brotherhood. And what constitute this oneness, it is different actors and characters.

Colossians 1:15-17
KJV:Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

KJV:And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Faith Is An Unreliable Way Of Determining Truth by CaveAdullam: 3:56pm On Jan 20, 2020

All this wannabe nairaland atheists. You claim God does not exist but yet you scream about Him all night.

OK lets go

Bacteriologist:
Let's discuss this "Faith" thing. Faith is like the single most important thing in religion and theism in general.

It is safe to say that the basis of theism is faith.

I hear Christians for example, talk about faith a lot and they say that once you have Faith a lot of things especially in the Bible begins to make sense.

Same thing with Muslims. "Faith" in Allah makes you believe that Islam is the true religion.

You are not far from the truth uncle. Faith is tested and trusted.

Bacteriologist:
But my main point is this why would faith be required to know the truth?

A lot of things we recognise as facts and truths today do not require any sort of faith whatsoever.

Faith is believing in the truth until the truth reveals itself.

Faith is me traveling with peace airline without first testing the accuracy of the pilot and the engine because I know they have always delivered and customer service is satisfactory.

Faith is me eating my mother's meal after receiving serious scolding from her without any any fear of food poisoning.

Faith is me believing all the stories of cyanophyta, algae, thallophyta, bryophtha taught by Prof. Bacteriologist without first carrying out my own laboratory experiment to prove if he is right or wrong.

Faith is me believing that Williams Shakespeare wrote Macbeth, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet without actually witnessing it.

REMEMBER FAITH IS BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH UNTIL THE TRUTH REVEALS ITSELF. IF IT DOESN'T THEN IT IS NOT THE TRUTH OR IT IS NOT FAITH.

Bacteriologist:
Does anyone need faith to know that 1+1=2?

Those in nursery school and Montessori needs faith to know that 1+1=2 until they discover it for themselves by bringing together many bottle crowns and start doing the mathematics at home. Or after series of failures.

But this is just one side of the story.

On the other side, how can we verify that 1+1=2? Is it because we were taught in school or because it is generally accepted by all?

By the way who was the first person to postulate that 1+1=2?

Can you please help me Prof. Bacteriologist?

Bacteriologist:
Is faith required to make an airplane glide in the air? Or a ship remain buoyant?

Orville and Wilbur Wright believe their own special metal can fly even when it seems impossible for metals to fly. But When all necessary skills and tools were put into work their metal actually flew.

So you see faith is believing in the qualities of that metal until the metal prove itself.

Same principle for the ship.

Bacteriologist:
Does anyone need faith to know that water + clay makes mud?

By faith I believe water plus clay makes mud because I believe my chemistry teacher in secondary school even if I haven't verified it myself.

Bacteriologist:
Do you need faith to accept that whatever is thrown up gets pulled back down (except held up by an external force/obstacle?)

I won't risk throwing anything up if I don't believe it will come down.

Bacteriologist:
It looks like faith is needed only when believing something that cannot be demonstrated or shown to actually be true or exist.

Please I want you to demonstrate the working of the Human Mind and I want you to actually show me the mind and where it exists in the body like other body parts.

Bacteriologist:
And that is the greatest downfall of this thing called "faith." ANYONE can believe whatever they want and CLAIM it as true based on "Faith."

Christians even call it "evidence of things not seen." Then I can claim to have a dragon in my basement/backyard. And believe it on "faith."

Dinosaurs were not real until paleontologist started discovering fossils.

Do not be in a hurry brother, just wait for the dragon episode to unfold.

Bacteriologist:
Faith is a good way to believe in anything but is not a reliable way of determining the truth. And it is not enough to believe claims: especially those with heavy weight as god claims based on faith alone.

You don't use faith to determine truth. You use faith to draw to the truth or wait for the truth until it exposes itself. I want you to get this clarification bro.

Bacteriologist:
If you care about the truth, Faith is not enough.

of course bro faith without work or logic is dead.

That's why God has not sealed our brains and freewill because He wants us to investigate Him not only by faith but also by Logic. And up till now God is correct and with the way things are He will not be found guilty of all His claims and actions.

I agree with you on this one, if you care about the truth, faith is not enough. In other words faith without works is dead.

Bacteriologist:
What are your thoughts?

These are my thoughts prof. Bacteriologist. But I know this will be another circle of argument but be careful because I don't do insults.

Do make sure to respond with sentences that ends with a question mark(?) as I'm open to learning, corrections and suggestions.

Thanks.

God bless.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If, Just If Jesus Was The Answer.. Will?? by CaveAdullam: 9:09am On Jan 20, 2020

Daejoyoung:
Well apart from jesus, white people have also sold a lot of things to us like electricity, cars, computers, planes, etc. So why is the jesus own so special to you?
l can also ask you if white people knew that learning computer programs could lead to great advancement in technology, would they have sold computers to us? would they have taught our ancestors how to read and write, if they thought that knowledge is power and a great way to progress?
You see why your question makes no sense?

concise and precise.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 7:14am On Jan 20, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
What sort of warped scriptural backup is this?

Where does it say Jesus is the same as father?

FOLYKAZE:
For ff sake, a woman can declare that whoever see her has seen her husband. A representative can also say he doesn't speak on his own authority but of the person that sent him.

None of the two claims make wife become Husband or representative become the face of authority. So I don't know where you get the crap like Jesus is Jehovah.

In broad daylight Jesus Christ is claiming to be the Father His disciples seek and here you are asking me if He claimed to be Jehovah or where it is written?

John 14:9-11 is enough to prove that the Godhead is one expressing Himself in three offices. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

If you are not able to comprehend that simple passage because of your opinion, then, it is not my fault.

Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 6:46am On Jan 20, 2020

Janosky:
John 17:21-23

21 THAT THEY MAY ALL BE ONE ,JUST AS
YOU, FATHER ARE IN ME, AND I IN YOU THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE IN US,
so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them,
THAT THEY MAY BE ONE EVEN AS WE ARE ONE ,
23 I IN THEM and YOU IN ME, THAT THEY MAY BECOME PERFECTLY ONE , so that the world may
know that you sent me and loved them even
as you loved me. "
John 17 :21-23, Jesus has given a perfect response to your twists of John14:9-11.
John14:9-11 not proof of Trinity.
Rather, John14:9-11= John17:20-23= Matt 10:40= 1 Cor 3:23.
Shikena !
*********************

After John 14:9-11, Thomas now got the boldness to call Jesus Christ Lord and God in John 20:28 because before Christ death on the Cross of Calvary he has received a wonderful exegesis of the perfect Godhead.

Try and imagine that scenario in John 14:9-11 and you will see that the oneness theory it proclaims is different from the oneness theory in John 17:21-23

Shikena!

Janosky:
1 John 4:14,15
"We ourselves have seen and bear witness that the Father has sent His son as Saviour of the world"
You don't seem to believe the words of Jesus Christ in John 3:16.

That is the Godhead doing what He knows how to do best. Mr Janosky can perfectly play the role of a Manager, Husband and Father without any conflict just as the Godhead was sitting on His heavenly throne and also walked upon the earth at the same time which is a wonderful prove of His omnipotence.

I believe the words of the Lord Jesus Christ my Lord and God, but sometimes our interpretation of His words do cause us trouble. But thank God for the Holy Spirit that has come to help.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Bible Ever Refer To Jesus Christ As “god”? by CaveAdullam: 8:55pm On Jan 19, 2020

AntiChristian:
This is simply a parable! It is not literal.

When I say you are a clown I wasn't missing words.

Looooooooool. You are funny dude, really funny.

Parable ko parable ni.

Muttleylaff, MrZENographer, FOLYKAZE you guys should come carry your bro o.

Looooooooool.

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