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Sincere 9gerian: HATERS continue to HATE, while GEJ continues to DELIVER and IMPRESS:

6) For me the MOST IMPORTANT achievement and LEGACY of the GEJ administration is CULTURIZATION of free and fair elections. The 2011 elections, adjudged by both local and international observers as free and fair, was the turning point in the history of Nigeria. It effectively marked the END of DO-OR-DIE and Amala politics. Since then, free and fair elections is the RULE. The last Edo and Ondo elections were no different. Free and fair elections is the NUMBER ONE and MOST IMPORTANT dividend of democracy and has the potential for unleashing other dividends of democracy. The import of free and fair election to our development was emphasised by no other person than Achebe himself in his latest book-There was a country. Under the sub-heading “State Resuscitation and Recovery”, Achebe suggests that “the Nigerian solution” will come in stages. “First we have to nurture and strengthen our democratic institutions – and STRIVE for the freest and fairest elections possible. That will place the true candidates of the people in office,” he writes. This process, can lead to a thriving free press and strong justice system, with checks and balances and corruption-curbing laws NATURALLY finding a footing. He adds: “A new patriotic consciousness has to be developed… based on an awareness of the responsibility of leaders to the led… and disseminated by civil society, schools and intellectuals. It is from this kind of environment that a leader, humbled by the trust placed upon him by the people, will emerge, willing to use the power given to him for the good of the people.”
Sorry for those looking for anti-corruption WAR-LORD like Buhari, NOTHING can fight corruption better than free and fair elections.
http://sahelblog./2011/04/20/international-observers-comment-on-nigerias-elections/

WASH WASH

Well I have a few concerns, on the face of it Buhari seems to be the Messianic savior Nigeria needs and at this point we can safely say we all know what to expect from the PDP even if Angel Gabe himself is running as president under their platform.

My main problem is that times have changed, a lot! The free hand Buhari had to run government that time is no longer there. He would have to deal with the shenanigans of the House of Reps, the Senate, the judiciary ETC. True that to a large extent who is president in Nigeria has a lot of power and and call a lot of shots, but I fear that he would be bogged down by the many checks and balances of the democratic system and unless his party wins an outright majority I do not forsee any changes in moving Nigeria forward.

I think we need a more modern leader, one who is very conversant with the challenges of democracy, does not owe too much debt to benefactors, and most of all is not running under the PDP.

[quote author=Okija_juju]Bros... Wetin you dey find untop Mango tree by this time of the year.. [/quote]\
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Onwa december tinsss na

Bia I never forget oh February things. You nor wan give your boys control ni

Yomieluv: I will first start from her belly button,then gently to her neck region,then slowly to her lips,then a little bite of her lips,then tongue rolling,and the rest is history.

All just to kiss Belly button ni
falls from mango tree LWTMB

[quote author=Okija_juju]509000 applied for 1500 slots of which 1400 slots had been reserved for certain ogas and [b]'Ima mmadu'... [/b]https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qr5sbi0t1qgcra2o1_500.gif[/quote]LWTMB

Analysis

Beat: Good, the problem is that most people do not and associate Dbanj with this genre of music and I think the beat is the only thing that saved this song from being a disaster. Nigerian hit songs have good danceable beats for the most part of it at least. This sounds more like what david guetta would produce after quite a number of shots of Shekpe and a few kpakpa sticks.

Vocals: Absolute rubbish, he is talking not even singing as far as I concerned. Something made Oga skibanj the man he was, quick fast beats with plenty of african flavour made his songs a hit. AFCON my behind

My verdict,
Why me, Oliver Twist, Igwe......heck Tongolo self would kick this song's ass like Wladimir Klitschko.
DBnaj cannot be as good without don jazy.
Don jazy would not reach his full potential when he has those youth academy singers his rank.
They should squash the beef and do good music again.

[quote author=T-smooth]Allahu Akbar![/quote] where did it say anything about that?

See how the western world is marching on purposefully and all we do here in Africa is fill out our churches and mosques on Sundays and Fridays waiting for a daddy with white beards to come down and put food in our mouths.
SMH

The way the Sienas have the details of their day is quite impressive. Makes me think they have the Nigerian version of that notepad the reporter in Harry potter had.

mkmyers45: Na wa oo...anyway another big boy has fallen to the giant killer

WHO be that?

debosky:

I bring out my spiritual AK-47, sprayed with fresh sapeleholy wata and start firing spiritual bullets. GIDIGIDIGIDIGIDIGIDIGIDI, ODI DANDAN - NA BY FORCE AND BY FOX, ADURA YEN MUST GBAAAA!!!

NNa eh you carry talent, see as you fire the guy like militant, that top of table nor easy but as I dey above you now I don jejely do screenshot save am I don accomplish target.

As fir demba ba, persin sight am for Ikpoba hill yesterday you know the rest na

Ibime: Only takes one bad week to crash

Buhahahahahahahahahahaha

I agree with deep sight, this debate cannot be held without plenty of bitterness.

Jarus I implore you to re think this topic, it would only spawn a lot of tribal threads left right and center.

Yo,
I cannot say I know how you feel, and there is really no need to flog the horse of degree and what not.
Have you considered moving somewhere else?
If the competition is too fierce and you are feeling the heat why not move somewhere else where what you are able to secure would at least be sufficient to float you for a while?
I have always felt Abuja was a place that gulped a lot of money but barely produced much, I could be wrong but try and have a relocation rethink.
Remember, a one eyed man is king in the land of the blind.

Ibime: You don check table recently?

Your 120 point gap has been reduced to 61 points in 3 weeks. Na so e dey start. Watch this space!!

I think say na only me see am oh

Ibime: Mscheeew. Look who's talking. I thought you were the Tobe Azikiwe leading league sef only to find out you are struggling with Deborah. You guys are just one good gameweek away from me plus I've got Ba to play plus points to come off the bench. If you need to know how close you are to Marines, ask lalaboi who was top ten last week.

LWKMD AYe Aye Captain make we dey look na

Ibime: Pay attention to Captain Amangala. He's right in the mix.

I am trying hard to pay attention but I nearly fell off the cliff looking at how low you were on the table I have even still got demba ba left on my team to play then I should get ahead of oga debo

There are some of us who dont make plenty noise
Warreva happened to captain amangala

Logicboy03: Yes, blame the atheists. The ones that were making foolish/trolling statements about the atheists are not to blame.


Typical....just typical.


You people have some brain damage when it comes to telling the truth about religion.

Your blood too d̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣γ̲̣ hot ni ah! Now now now brain damage, you nor just get joy at all. Oya drink your tombo the keg still full oh

Dude it takes two.....

This thread was opened to discuss the issues with Nigeria away from the razzzmattaz of the politics section. Y'all should take a chill pill and let of on all these back and forth accusations.
Even though different people have got different methods of dealing with issues, one of the signs I think of a very immature conversation is the trading of insults back and forth.

To those who are "atheists" kindly search Nairaland for nferyn and read his posts, to be honest the way some people go about it makes even me feel like it a religion to you guys. I believe there are countless threads to fully utilise this vitriol, no amount of shout downs or accusations back and forth would make anyone here have a damascus moment to go "aha the atheists are right or the christians are right".

To those who are theists I need not point out more that our honorable Mod Jesoul, I am not religious she is, Pastor Aio is in his own weird way but we all get along together. I know I am probably asking the boderline impossible but sheath your swords, I know a whole bunch of people I have learned a thing or two from on here that have stopped posting.

If only for this thread biko sheath your swords, let's discuss like its over yam, palm oil and some palm wine

Cheers guys.

JeSoul: ^lol. Why you dey vex now Chris... there is someone for you to spoil rotten

I shall send the email first before him

Don't mind me jare, still reading the discussions going on here from time to time.

I am still struggling to deal with Ihedinobi's paradoxical write up. failed state? failing in some? rising in others?


Maybe towards the end I would give my summation of what I think Nigeria is and will become. I always say that when you land at the Lagos airport from outside the country then you have to redefine what many things mean. Corruption is not when baba Kontagura puts in his son in a position that should be meant for someone else it is just survival.
Corruption is not when mama iya basira contracts her daily supply of cow leg to her brother in law regardless of the fact that he is Hindu, its just survival for her family.


In summary I don tire for Nigeria wahala.

^^^^^^

Nigerians and free stuff. Why the hell is the CPC sticking their noses in one of the most successful business in this country

If it was that simple and easy to run a cable television biko where is HITV even with their initial gra gra where are they?
These guys have tried abeg, having bouquets as low as 1500 abi 2000.
IF you cannot afford it, leave it alone. Cut your babariga according to your size. Someone has to pay for the gel Mozez uses on his hair or for Ikpeba to make a totally boring match look interesting

Ihedinobi,
I did not want to answer you on the deep sight issue but just incase you are thinking you made sense, let me tell you why I still think it was in bad taste andhow you lack a fundamental understanding of lagos and Nigeria.

First and foremost the rich people in Nigeria especially lagos are the most security conscious people. The very rich have bullet proof cars and some have gun slinging mobile policemen on standby. Your asssertion that because he is upper class society which makes him unconcerned with security issues is factually basless. Victoria Island is as safe as it can get in lagos, there are times when you have to go out late to do something like take your sister Jesoul to that christian night club at oriental hotel.
If not him then maybe they would get someone else, and those people who jejedly stayed in their houses still get robbed, your argument folds completely on itself.


Finally how does all this spell hope?
Walks away shaking my head.

Ihedinobi: Figured I should address this. You'll forgive me, won't you?

I saw his story on this thread before he created a new thread for it. I did feel for him but strongly disagreed with his conclusions regarding the matter. I refrained from expressing what I thought because I felt he might receive my opinions as a belittling of his misfortune. However, it might serve everyone if I expressed those views now.

If I came to the US and stayed away from the parks because I thought I would have to pay to enjoy them (my understanding is that you don't, am
I right?), I think I would be rightly labeled "naive". If in the same country I refused to call the police when someone pulls a fast one on me and threatens me too just because I'm afraid that the police would seize the opportunity to blow large holes in my pocket, I'm pretty sure I'd get educated on how I'm no longer in Nigeria. My point is, it was a very naive thing to do to be on the streets of Lagos in any thing short of an armoured tank at that time of the night. Plain naive. It was also hilarious, incredibly too maybe, that he should have expected more from the Nigerian police than he got.

That's the point I was trying to make about treating each nation and people-group according to their uniqueness and peculiarity. It's useless to say, "it should not be so, such-and-such does this and has that or would not have allowed that or condoned this". The reality is, you're not in such-and-such, you're in Nigeria. You should act like it.

Now acting like it is not necessarily condoning failure, instead it's recognizing and acknowledging its existence and as such. That in itself is the first step toward fixing the failure. Nobody ever fixed anything by wishing or complaining them away. They always started by making their peace with the fact that there was something to be fixed.

So, while you could probably very quickly and effortlessly supply fifty more horrid stories like his before I've finished telling one good one, the question is: is there hope, or is there a practical basis for hope that Nigeria will turn around? As long as I can point to at least one positive thing that does not fail in the face of the hundred negatives, there is hope. Question asked and answered.

Yo Yo YO YO
This is so not cool, you have just demonstrated that you lack the practical and intellectual onus to discuss anything Nigeria and Nigerian. So what about the people that were in their houses? They should not be in anything less than a fortified bunker?
SHAKING MY HEAD

JeSoul:
http://carm.org/bible-abortion

What does the Bible say about abortion?
by Ryan Turner

The Bible does not specifically mention the word abortion, but it has a number of significant things to say about unborn children. These Biblical statements indicate that the unborn are persons. Therefore, abortion is wrong since it is killing a human being. A simplified form of our argument is the following:

Premise #1: It is wrong to murder a person.
Premise #2: The unborn is a person.
Conclusion: Therefore, it is wrong to murder the unborn.

Premise #1: It is wrong to murder a person.
There are few objections to the notion that it is wrong to murder a person. Murder is the unlawful taking of someone’s life, while killing is the lawful taking of someone’s life. For just a small sample of the Biblical passages forbidding murder, see Gen. 9:6; Mt. 15:19; 19:18; Mk. 10:19; Lk. 18:20; Jn. 8:44; Acts 3:14; and Rom. 1:28-29; 13:9.

Premise #2: The unborn is a person.
It is this premise which is disputed by many in our culture today. However, the Bible clearly teaches that the unborn is a person due to the following reasons.

Possession of Personal Attributes
First, the unborn possesses personal attributes such as sin and joy. In Psalm 51:5, David says, “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.” In Luke 1:44, “For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy.”

Described by Personal Pronouns
Second, the Bible also uses personal pronouns to describe unborn children. Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Matthew 1:20-21 states, “But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, ‘Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.’”

Jesus: A Baby at Conception
Third, regarding the conception of Jesus, Matthew 1:20 says, “But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, ‘Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.’” The fact that the angel tells Joseph that “the Child who has been conceived” is “of the Holy Spirit” indicates that Jesus certainly was a person at the moment of conception.

Called Children
Fourth, the unborn are called children. Luke 1:41 states, “When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit (1:44).”

Protected by the same Punishment as for Adults
Fifth, perhaps the strongest argument against abortion from Scripture is the fact that the same punishment is applicable to someone who kills or injures an unborn child as for one who kills or injures an adult. Exodus 21:22-23 states, “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life . . . .” This strongly indicates that the Mosaic Law viewed the unborn as persons worthy of the same protection and rights as adults.

Called by God before Birth
Sixth, the unborn are even called by God before birth. Almost echoing the prophetic commission of Jeremiah in Jeremiah 1:5, Isaiah 49:1 says, “Listen to me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar, the LORD called me from the womb; from the body of my mother He named me.”

Known Personally by God just like any other Person
Seventh, the unborn are known personally and intimately by God in the same way He would know any other person. Describing David, Psalm 139:15-16 says, “My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Your book were all written; the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there was not one of them.” Describing the prophet Jeremiah, Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Conclusion
The Bible definitely teaches that the unborn are persons because the unborn possess personal attributes, are described by personal pronouns, Jesus is called a child at conception, the unborn are called children, are protected by the same punishment as for adults, are called by God before birth, and are known personally by God just like any other person. Since abortion is murdering a person, abortion is morally wrong (Gen. 9:6; Rom. 1:28-29).

Sources

•Norman Geisler, Systematic Theology.


^that said, see this thread for a unqiue case in which I totally support the move for abortion. Some circumstances are not always black & white. https://www.nairaland.com/245335/woes-catholic-church

Quick question/s

1. What role does figures of speech have to play in most of what was written above, IMO there is a lot of figurative speech that should not be necessarily interpreted literally.

2. How much do you trust their knowledge of biology and the human development process?

And finally really, I have asked time and time again, if a foetus would kill the mother, who would you save?
Because there can be no double standards, "murder should be murder"

Getting and staying married.

Sagytarius: MFM

Option D, Die~Die tins

LWKMD

Yo,
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS IN GENERAL TERMS
There are at least three broad forms of cheating viz:

Emotional
Physical
Emotional & Physical

You see a man is a very straightforward creature, if men were to be a programming language we would be a basic machine level language that understands just zeros and ones, a man does not need a valid reason to want to have sex with another woman aside from the fact that she looks "hot" on a very basic level. A man does not need to do any permutations and think is she good enough or is she smart enough? Maybe to have a real relationship or to settle down with yes he might consider that, but in a very basic and primal way a man is moved by what he sees. When it comes to physical cheating the man is suspect 9 out of 10 times.

Women on the other hand I think are more of emotional cheaters if and when they have to. Just like intercourse while a man mostly needs just friction to get "heavenly feelings" a woman needs many things and factors to be in place for her to leave a serious relationship such as marriage and cheat. Women by nature screen the men they get into bed with most of the time, men don't as much.

No amount of wishing away would change the fact that men will cheat regardless of what the stakes are, Bill Clinton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, JFK, Tiger Woods.........the list is endless. So for a man you need to look at when the physical cheating crosses into "emotional & physical" while for the woman when the emotional crosses into "physical & emotional" for the woman. There are also many other factors such as being lonely and lack of attention, etc which can drive either party to cheat.

My 50 cents.

Logicboy03: See this guy......feeling some smooth talker!


Who cares if you were joking with Jesoul? I have never really talked or joked to you before.

So you nor know since the people wey be shiiiiaaaammaann for this section, ok you get luck my Area boys don ready to round you up before and I dey hear dem shout ALUU ALUU ALUU

You still stalk her sha

Logicboy03: I am a stalker? You are a fool!


Would a stalker reveal his research to everyone including the victim? What was I even stalking? Texts and threads?


Even the subject was happy about the information I brought out


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Bros, dont play the hero because there is no one to be saved here. Wise up[/size]

WOOOOOOO slow down champ, your ginger does not make you see humor when its smacks you in the face. Everything is not a do or die affair.
I think you need to evolve yourself in the way you deal with issues and people, and being the "researcher" you should have known that I joke all the time here about Jesoul. In fact sef in the spirit of research:

Pastor AIO: We thank God say everytin dey kampe!



Chris no vex! I'm not a greedy guy, let me divide that kiss in half give you the other half.

JeSoul: ^Chris it just occured to me why you vex and you have every right to but ejo let that water flow pass ehn and chop some of PastorAIO's roasted cow and be merry. Or I have to make restitution? how many hail marys?

JeSoul: Excellent! so when are we coming to your place for the next owambe?

LOL...I've really missed this kind of good humor from my good buddies on this board.

JeSoul: ^Chris it just occured to me why you vex and you have every right to but ejo let that water flow pass ehn and chop some of PastorAIO's roasted cow and be merry. Or I have to make restitution? how many hail marys?

Ok Sweeeerrrrry I wee forgive him this once
BTW how was Bahamas and Antigua and those beautiful islands you just came from

Pastor AIO: Chris no vex! I'm not a greedy guy, let me divide that kiss in half give you the other half.

Bia Nwokem, who told you the kiss was even your own in the first place to be sheaaaaring better arrange yaself oh


Oya go bring suya make we chop


*cues in music .........kukere kukere kukere ....dancing etighi *





All this I got from a thread nearby https://www.nairaland.com/966136/best-religion-forum-topics-d/2



So take a chill pill and relax, being on the attack every time is just not cool.

musKeeto: I'm not getting married till I find a lady like her.. :/

Great mod. Manmustwac too..

But Maclatunji's the best.. The mod-erer...

YO YO YO YO Step back biko
Nor let this kain thing put you for trouble for this Nairaland
Taken......she is taken!

JeSoul: Oh wow this whole topic for only me one cheesy Logicboy gracias tanto!

Logicboy,
no controversy here - you're 1000% right that I've definitely changed from when I first came to NL in 2007. Infact, I will go a step further and say I'm also ashamed of some of the things I used to believe in - because they weren't borne of study but rather the blind following of tradition & hearsay. There is no shame in "changing your mind" as you acquire more knowledge and listen to diverse viewpoints. This is how we all grow in life and become better human beings. One of my favorite quotes of all time goes:

"one can only learn when he gives up the illusion he already knows"

and if I were to tell of some of the things concerning faith, religion, christianity that I quietly question in my heart everyday you'd probably think I've crossed over to your side lol. But to me honestly, faith is not being stuck in a rigid set of beliefs - but rather being comfortable with asking questions that may challenge those beliefs - and then adjusting those beliefs accordingly. I am comfortable saying "I don't know" to certain questions and being content with it. And after all the ceremonial dust from various doctrines/beliefs settles, one thing will always remain true for me - that Jesus came and died for my sins, and I will try to live my life after the greatest commandment - to love God & to to love you (my neighbor) as I love myself. Tongues, tithes, hell, trinity, sabbath etc etc all fade sharply into the background in light of that commandment.

Anyways- thank you for all the kind words & compliments, my head is swelling smiley. You all also help by keeping me in check so thanks to you too.

Sweery haw you dey na , I swear this Logicboy is a stalker, when is Seun releasing Stalker bot for this website sef


I miss those good old days jare, I have changed a lot myself over the years. Your line about illusion classic!