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BetaThings: I always wonder why Christians are particular about Muslims wearing Hijab
What exactly does it remove from Christianity? Muslims say it is compulsory. So what is the matter?
I don't have any problem with a nun in their special attire.

A few years ago, Dr (Mrs) Okereke-Onyiuke banned Hijab-wearing stockbrokers from appearing on the floor of the Nigerian Stock Exchange
A stockbroker is not an employee of the stock exchange. He/she is employed by her firm and only goes to the NSE to trade
At the time the brokers affected were employed by various firms including Stanbic-IBTC. The employers did not complain about their dressing. It was only the NSE (or Dr Onyiuke) that had issues with it
We should note that international firms often operate in countries where wearing the hijab is common
So if it did not (and still doe not) not bother Stanbic - a South African bank - what exactly was the problem?
It took appeal to the council of the NSE for Dr Onyiuke to rescind her decision and allow the brokers to trade on the NSE
Without that reprieve those brokers might have lost their job since a broker who cannot go to the floor to trade is not so useful since remote trading from their offices might not be possible for all brokers employed by a firm

These incidents just point to some level of intolerance of Christians who appear to be accommodating when they don't have "power" to enforce their needlessly-hostile attitude

Afterall under the same Dr Okere Onyiuke, male stockbrokers traded on the floors of the NSE in the North wearing traditional attire without any loss to the NSE, the brokers, their employers and their clients

Wanton dishonesty!
The NSE is a public space, its not a mosque a church or a shrine.

Nigeria is a secular society, religion should be separated from day to day life.

There are no hard and fast rules,in your space( your house, your hotel, your property) you are allowed to dress how you want, same as in mine. But when we come to a public place say as a school then we should by all means use reason to agree upon what I find offensive and what you find offensive. We should come to a common ground that leaves no room whatsoever for any religious side to have an edge.

So lets say I embrace a traditional worship that does not allow women wear clothes over their chests. In my religion we see breasts as the twin peaks of sheba and there to make men inspired through the day. It would be my constitutional right to practice this within the confines of my house, or even if I decide to borrow Okija_juju's shrine (I am sure he will not mind). The question is will you as a parent allow a female worshiper of my tradition attend a school your kids attend dressed or should I say undressed like that? I doubt, you have every right to say hey this upsets me. So what do we do?

We come up with a UNIFORM meaning something we all agree and we all share in common, we say hey if you are going to be seen in this public place that is a school, you have to wear a white shirt, white shorts or skirt, white socks and sandals. Your hair must be cut clean or neatly woven, there would be no weavons for those who worship the gods of brazillian hair, no make up for those that worship the gods of Mary kay, ear rings should not dangle for those that worship the gods of Jewelry, no necklaces, rosaries etc etc etc. Thats the UNIFORM!

Any muslim who is a real Nigerian and wants the rights of religions to be protected can surely see how this should be in the benefit of all. If you feel the hijab is compulsory then you can take your wards to a muslim school where wearing the Hijab is part of the UNIFORM, its that simple. But in public spaces, no religion should be allowed to take center stage because anything in their fate is compulsory.

I am actually shocked at the level of detail he went into total absolute knowledge of the problem.

2015 we are waiting.

InesQor: Like water finds its own level, there is nobody that is incapable of understanding. And at their own level of understanding, they can be communicated to.

Of course for myself, if I was conversing with people who have much lesser intelligence I won't say some things the way I say them here on NL.

The only question that has ever been is: what are you doing with yours? It's always been a personal race. Why should you be capable of 80% and you do only 30%? That's your own freewill anyway.

It will amuse you to pause and realize that it's the simplest of people who even understand some of these things the best. And for those who seek to challenge a creator (where they have not created or controlled one-millionth of what he has), there will be a lot for them to consider, as well.

This is what I do not like, there's loads of arguments out here on this thread and in life as well. There's no level here and I am not talking about foot soldiers like you doing the work for the being by selling what is in my own opinion a whole bunch of unproven theories, it's in them understanding the arguments when placed in front of them and choosing. It makes no sense at all to me at least.

There is nothing whatsoever to make me or anyone believe this whole story from any religion as the mouth piece of this your being. After making such a planet this is the dumbest way to pass across such a message.

mazaje: I sometimes get angry when they claim that we can not understand their god or their god is not bound by human logic. . .It is a VERY dubious claim. . .The idea that their god is not bound by logic is frequently stated more subtly like "Well, it's just a mystery" or "Who are you to question god?" which to me is a defeatist attitude. . . .Christians come up with these silly excuses ONLY when they have their backs against the wall and try to explain away or dance around some christian claims that do not make sense at all or can not stand up to basic scrutiny other wise LOGIC is the ONLY thing christians use when talking about their god and what he wants from people, when they are faced with ridiculous assertions of the christian faith that can not be supported at all they come up with the "god's ways are not human ways" forgetting that the same god was written to have said that "come let us REASON TOGETHER" at some point in the bible. So how can you reason together with an entity who you can never understand by logic since reasoning involves logic alone?. . .Check out all their explanations, all they use is simple human reasoning and logic when explaining what their god wants of people and how he operates, when they they have their backs against the wall and can not explain absurdity away they come up with the nonsense card of god can not be understood. . .Nonsense!

Bros,
I am trying to learn poker, and a very good gambler says to me never bet into a game you know you cannot win.

A colleague at the office starts this morning about how probably the most popular pastor anointed a hand bag and left on a chair for any daring church member to come carry it. Apparently all the members that tried kept falling on the floor and rolling. ANOINTING INDEED so I nearly find myself taking up a challenge to go to this mans church. I realised something, regardless of the outcome its still the will of God, even if I go and come back without divinely giving my life to christ it would simply be your time has not come, God does not want to arrest you now. Its a lost game already, you can never ever ever win with these guys, no matter the outcome it was Gods choice.

Finally why the hell would anyone need 58 pages to explain who and what this being is and what it want? and I am pretty sure almost everyone on this thread is at least above bachelor level education. What the heck then happens to those who are intellectually challenged? People write so many posts here forgetting the vast majority of the remaining 7 billion minus the 10 people or so posting here are not as knowledgeable as your royal eminences!


A GOAT HAS NO BUSINESS WITH ROCKET SCIENCE!!

58 pages and counting, a goat has no business with nuclear science.

I have a few questions I would like to ask.

1. Its one thing to say you think this planet could not have been here by mistake, its another thing to say you as a human being, with your human attributes, know beyond all doubts what this being is, how this being is present or not, how this being exists in time or outside of time, linear or circular or cylindrical and then go on in the next sentence to say we can never understand the being like really! really!
How possible is it that?

2. So yes I agree that this being miraculously did all these things, but who says the being gives a rats ass what we do on the planet? IT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL! and yes before you say the ways of God are not the ways of man, if we do not understand the ways of God it makes no sense using a manual written when kentucky fried chicken was not in existence to say this is what the being wants no?

sheeeeeeesh!

InesQor: If you understood my analogy, this is like going to the restaurant and assuming that you will be served something just because you're sitting pretty right there.

God's will is not necessarily some rigidly fixed system that will "surely lead to the best outcome" (in fact, when you say best outcome, best for who? I'm sure you know that other people are also involved so it is not always possible to have the best outcome for everyone at once if things are on autopilot); as you are also not some robot, you still need to make your own choices out of what's available.

This is what confuses me the most about everything, why create this Chaos at all? Makes no sense to me.

Kamanda: Hey,Dr Effeanyi AKA sincere9gerian,sorry to interupt your 40 laptop PDP propaganda work O.

I know how busy you are these days as per 2015 hustle tins. But its just that since I met that Wafi babe during our Good Govenment Tour(the tall yellow one with heavy backyard weh you [size=18pt]wack remain for me[/size]),I 've had trouble sleeping at night because of some painful yellowish discharge.

Please Dr Effeanyi what is the solution to this wahala? Have a great day Sir.

Helep me salute Mr Taharqa,Billionaire,Last pope and the other 40L crew.

LWKMD

First off politics has is and will always be a dirty game. I have been watching keenly at how fast GEJ learned the ropes of handling power and like it or not he is playing his own game albeit like most people said too early. Someone here said Machiavellian principles and I laughed, well GEJ has been a tad brutish. There is prolly a method to his madness though, he is trying to stem all dissenting opinions in time with the golden principle "the best time to kill a dragon is when it is young." Let's see how the northern governors react though, there's only one possible outcome once GEJ declares ambition to run (which he is constitutionally entitled to) and that would be a divided party.

On a side note, just use quickteller to get your money. No need to go to a bank.

I wonder what this directionless argument will be like in person persin for don share some anointed slaps.

Can we come back to this issue?

I am hoping that we can discuss this like human beings and put a human face to it. Its not easy to admit that one does not believe in God in Nigeria, what I do not do everyday is go well out of my way to start proclaiming atheism, I do not have that time or space to sell anything. However when issues come up I say my mind what I think but it all depends on the intelligence level of who I am discussing with.

If I am in a market I would even join the market woman to say "Oluwa is involved" , if however I am talking with someone who is more intelligent to grasp the issue then we would discuss. I do agree that legends like Tai Solarin did it, but hey not all of us are Heroes, sometimes and in some issues its not even worth it to spend my time discussing why I do not believe in God to an old village woman.

My two cents.

WOooooooooooooo 25 pages and we are still moving around in circles. How about we have a major debate about this existence of God thing self, where is Jesoul

All this going back and forth, shifting of goal posts bla bla bla it would be nice to have one thread to debate this issue formally with control measures set.

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My eyes are sore from reading all these things back and forth. Ngwa what do you guys think?

I think this thread was in bad taste. Why all this fighting.

classic "oversight "
@deepsight have you tried scientology Bruv?
The oneness of infinity

MacDaddy01: What is a scam?

Errrrrrr religion........

Chai another private jet pastor in the making, news flash your church is saying the right things in the wrong location.

No need to be bothered it was a scam anyways, okonkwo would be rolling and laughing in his grave.

Interesting

tashanja: If you are getting more than 18hrs per day, then you must be among the previleged because apparently electricity for Nigerians is no longer a right but a previlege , and you sir are no doubt among those that are previleged.

Not blaming you for supporting Jona, because if I too were to be getting more than 18hrs electricity per day, I would probably be on his campaign team here on NL trying to defend the indefensible, in an attempt to pay him back for his selective previlege to me - 18hs ehn, you must either be from his state, town, village or even household, so pls tell us more.

Go read my posts on nairaland I have said many times that I do not like the pdp or Gej , i did not vote for him neither have i campaigned for him. I live in rivers state , you can ask around. What is indefensible here is the very high level of unprofessional conduct by this amanpour douchebag. She clearly edited the clip and removed all the positive responses. This is not even about me and my 18hrs or you and your 0hrs, this is an attempt by one individual to portray my, your, our country in bad light even when there was enough evidence to have given a balanced report. If your dislike for GEJ cannot make you see this then you have surely crossed the line of objectivity.
Merci.

tashanja: Oboi, I don't know what part of Nigeria you live, frankly I don't see what is so lopsided about the report or what those interviewed said based on their personal experiences.

Let me tell you, in the past one week (7days) I got light for only 3hrs and yes, I also have four generators ( of varying load capacities) and spend approximately 20k - 30k per week fuelling them.

Yeah, all this may sound strange to you; but believe me there are many more enduring even worse in silence.

You are obviously more previleged and therefore not feeling the pinch, maybe Jona is your uncle and subsidizing you from our oil subsidy, which may explain why you cannot see through his lies about the woeful power situation in Nigeria and why you are also joining him with your heads in the sand like ostriches, thereby not appreciating the true realities on the ground.

It really makes me angry when ppl like you come up such lame excuses as in the above mentioned conspiracy theory in order to exenorate blatant incomptenece and dishonesty in our leaders. SMH

I am not privileged but I do get more than 18hrs light everyday, I do not live on the moon.

I watched that program live that day and this is obviously different!

Seun Front page !

pauloman: Nobody is trying to criticize his performance but a real,true and compassionate leader will be very objective,sincere with his words and be honest at all times about the situation of things such that he would command respect from his followers . GEJ was trying to embellish his performance in that interview which does not tally well with the real situation on ground.

Brossss,
GEJ was a lot more honest than Christiane, he did admit that the country was not where it should be common!!! If you are calling out GEJ for being insincere then Amanpour is a blatant faced liar, anyone who thinks that what she showed in that small clip represents Nigeria should be bloody stripped of their citizenship!!

express101: Don't be selfish. Maybe ur area has light, but do not speak for the majority of Nigerians who do not have light to carry out business activities, or light in their home. The status quo is not good enough, and shouldn't be acceptable. Nigerians deserve better

Jeez we are not yet at the promised land, I agree!

The decay in the power sector over the many years the military held power cannot and I repeat CANNOT be repaired in even 10 years. It will take TIME even if all the money in the world is there.

OBJ used 16 billion dollars to produce darkness was never able to get generation above 2k MW for 8 years same thing Yar adua. I do not like the pdp or GEJ, but we should stop letting these people pull us down each time. Na so slave trade start, you think Christiane is on your side? Dream pfocking on!

[quote author=Okija_juju]Watched the darn thing live yesternight on CNN



Why would CNN choose some retards to film?! That Okoko girl was just speaking fhune and overly excited to be filmed by CNN. She even claimed they had 4 generators at home.


IMO, Light situation in my area has improved. I havent had need to put on my generator at night in over a month. I have an inverter but between the Inverter and NEPA light, I always have power all night when I am home.[/quote]NNA ask me oh Arrant nonsense.

This is total bullshit Journalism!!

Power supply has improved in Nigeria, if where you stay is exempt, sorry and wait small.

These pfocking Neo imperialists

truthislight: dead conscience you mean?

I do not have time for you or for your rag tag bunch. You guys give Christianity a bad name. There's reasonable people in here regardless if religious inclinations, having a reasoned discussion with a person seems to be a Herculean task for those of you in the spirit
Hell, the devil , lost soul and the whole hogwash of terror do not worry me one bit, a lot of you are more worried about religious dogma than the practical reality of life. You bandy words around like dead conscience without even bothering to put things in proper context like your conscience and that of a Tibetan monk would be the same thing.

Some people might not be popular (m_nwankwo etched al) but different as their points of view would seem they have a lot of respect.

truthislight: lol.

See who is talking!

But your mouth na ashawo mouth na! Abi na lie?

"Kettle calling pot black"
*sigh*

Stop skipping your pills.

And so what?
The church has always been a business and will always be, while some of them have class and respect like the catholic, Anglican , Methodist. Others have no class and conduct business with the morality of anjegunle ashawo, they know themselves

Pastor AIO: ahhh hhhaaaa! Chris. What makes you think that their creativity was more than our forefathers. In the whole world of mythology there are no two closer mythologies than those of Greece and Yoruba. Even the manner of worship. That's why it is so easy for someone like Wole Soyinka to adapt Greek mythology to his own african plays.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3818751?uid=3738032&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21101705708497

Lol
Pastor pastor how far na? No private jet yet? Nor fall my hand oh

Well I must confess I took time to read about this Yoruba mythology. I would and see if I am in agreement with kongi

Goshen360: ^^^ It's not my point of view. It's comparing scriptures with scriptures.

I am just asking why you want to tell someone "truths" using scripture that they do not believe in or care about.

Pastor Kun: Before you commence your debate with chrisbenegor, it might be beneficial to inform you thatt he is one of NL veteran unreasonable + veteran atheists aka confused soul.

IT'S CHRISBENOGOR bloody door knob!

ifeness: Why is you religion always with force? You are like a pervert who cant resist the urge to molest lil kids.

Let me spell this out for you I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR SKY god!!!!!!!!!! I do not have to live long. Once my time is up,i lleave this bloody planet filled with confused christians. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANY SON OF ANY GOD!!! I am the creator of my own reality. NO GOD,NO JUDGMENT!!! I am the defination of FREEDOM DOM DOM DOM. OK?

The creator of your own reality! Powerful!