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Excellent analysis! The point you raised about Osimhen not getting as many clear cut chances as Haaland is that due to quality of service or is his movement still pedestrian which doesn't allow him to occupy space where he would do the most damage?

TheLoneCitizen:
For those who want to know if Osimhen is better than Haaland, here's what the stats say:

In every other season, Haaland would have trumped Osimhen, but this is the first full season where both players are fully settled and injury free.

So far this season, they've played almost exact minutes so the playing field is level .

1. Defensive striker

During his Lille and early Napoli days Osimhen was a far better defensive striker than Haaland. Better presser and menace to defenders.

But this season under Spalletti, just as Osimhen's aggression has reduced, Haaland’s has increased during his years at Dortmund.

Today, they have the exact same defensive attributes, and anyone who says Osimhen is far better is bias.

Note: Senior Man, Iheanacho is better than both of them defensively. (Iheancho has scored more goals from steals and tackles than both)

2. Finishing.

By this time last year, Osimhen was a wasteful forward, while Haaland was one of the world's deadliest finisher.

Under Spalleti, Osimhen has improved so much that he is toe-toe with Haaland.

Anybody who says Haaland is a far better finisher is working on past glory.

3. Creativity

Osimhen still has loads to do to catch Haaland, but Haaland isn't up to Kels when creativity is mentioned.

4. In every other attribute, Haaland edges Osimhen.

But what statistics wouldn't show you is movement, the most important attribute of any striker, and this is where Osimhen doesn't compare with Haaland.

Haaland’s better movement means despite them being identical in other aspects, Haaland would get 3 goalscoring chances in the same game where Osimhen would get only 1.

This is why last season they missed almost the same number of clear cut chances (Osimhen=14, Haaland=19), but Haaland almost tripled Osimhen's goal return (Osimehn=10, Haaland=25).


NOTE: Haaland is currently on a streak of getting at least [b]one clear-cut chance in each of his past 9 games in all competitions, meanwhile Osimhen hasn't found a big chance in his past 4 games for club. All his goals that period have been half-chances[/b].

Bottom line: Victor is closing in on Erling, but Haaland is not stagnant either. Where he was lagging behind Osimhen, he has caught up, so it's now Osimhen's turn.

APPLAUD HIM, BUT DO NOT OVERHYPE!

To be fair he said 'maybe' so it's still a plausible occurrence.

andrewbaba44:
Baba calm down abeg and it’s too early

Maybe if daka no score 4 goals yesterday you no go talk this thing

A reminder that eto is the greatest African player of all time

There is still mane and salah there oooo

Salah looks like he will surpass drogba self

If I start to talk Papilo matter now e go be like say pesin dey beef. If no be the respect and admiration I get for Kanu personally him matter for full this place tire.

Kog45:
Andrew even Kanu Nwankwo with 86 appearances scored just12 goals.

Mr Komekn don't tell me you have abandoned the gospel of 'her and now'?

Hope you are well and the family too.

komekn:
Agreed without question

Victor needs rest plus they have an important game against Roma on Sunday.

TFLASHOGEE:
I hope Napoli coach never chop TRAP like this keeping osigoal for bench

The AFCON was pushed to June/July but the raining season in Cameroon meant it's back to square one.

AndSunGorilla:
My opinion is that the January AFCON sometimes become detrimental to the careers of African players, truth is some teams would decide against signing too many african players because of afcon. I remember that Oliseh back in the days lost his shirt at Juventus after an AFCON. I really hope the timing could be changed honestly.

Musa's first goal against Iceland at the World Cup. Elderson's goal against Mali in the semi-final of the 2013 AFCON. You need more examples?

ChrisKels:
Can you name one or two instances Moses gave a cross for his team mate to score? Moses was always hugging the ball, going solo looking for the slightest touch to get on his canvass. Dude became a diver. After he joined Chelsea, If Moses was as disciplined in the national team as he was for Chelsea he wouldn’t have been on the bad book of the fans

big hmmmm because the Vicmo I saw wearing the shirt of the SE was almost always one of the best performers on the pitch. If he decides to come out of retirement I would welcome him with open arms.

Didn't mind his absence from the team before because I felt and still believe we have very talented wingers but they are not yet mature on how best to utilize their skill set unlike Vicmo who you know what to expect from in a match. Not forgetting the fact that he has big game mentality.

andrewbaba44:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

2 Nigerian born players on the score sheet of the Champions League Adeyemi and Nmecha

Hats off to the scouting team at Leicester they always know how to bring in world or potential world class talent for next to nothing.

andrewbaba44:
Daka is good ,no be today

The striker at Leicester city is too much because none of daka iheanacho be ekuke

Rodgers should just better do the rotation well

Old man vardy self no wan stop to Dey score

Patson Daka is special what a talent. Shout out to Kelz 3 assists in 2 games

Yes Drogba no be snail but Osimhen dey run abeg go watch him Europa league games against Spartak and Leicester the way he used his pace to trouble the defenders

charlesemeka85:
baba drogba was fast oooo

Osimhen is faster than Drogba good hold up play but not as as good as Didier's (yet).

I think he could become very prolific in front of goal once he works on his shooting accuracy and chance conversion efficiency.

12large1:
Am I the only one that thinks osimehn reminds them of drogba (minus free kicks) one thing I love about drogba was that, he might not score 40 goals a season but he will score important trophy winning goals. If osimehn can have drogba type career, that’s good enough for us

Wakaso yes is not too fancy but I think he has better dead ball delivery than all our midfielders.

Amartey and Ekong are not that much different so I might as well settle for pesin wey I know.

Kudus I haven't seen play that much to form an opinion about.

For Partey it depends how you will play him because he struggles to cover his CB. The game against Crystal Palace on monday highlighted that for me.

andrewbaba44:
I will take amartey

But you see salisu he won’t start for the eagles

From their midfield I will take partey

Kudus because our AM options are thin

Wakaso will never make the eagles

Not too sure about that Amartey and Salisu are not exactly reliable CB for their clubs.

ChrisKels:
In CB, i would sort out the problem the FA has with Salisu, then I would pair him with Armatey and start the pair ahead of Ekong and Balogun.

In the midfield, though my personal opinion, the trio of Partey, Wakaso and Kudus looks better than the trio of Ndidi, Iwobi and Aribo, but it would be a great battle if Onyeka is played ahead of Aribo

Ghanaian midfield is one area that has always been good since the mid 2000s but their forward line is too heavily reliant on Andre Ayew. Plus they haven't found a replacement for Gyan. One thing I always give to them no matter the quality of their players once they put on the black stars jersey they play with all passion.

ChrisKels:
In CB, i would sort out the problem the FA has with Salisu, then I would pair him with Armatey and start the pair ahead of Ekong and Balogun.

In the midfield, though my personal opinion, the trio of Partey, Wakaso and Kudus looks better than the trio of Ndidi, Iwobi and Aribo, but it would be a great battle if Onyeka is played ahead of Aribo

A club like Ajax will be very good for Amoo's development. He will get good football education plus playing time to boot. Every time I watch him play I just wonder sometimes at the kind of decisions Rohr makes. Everyone including his dog knows the SE is crying out for a creative player. Akinwunmi, Alhassan and Ejaria could have been invited and accessed in June for the games against Cameroon but we wasted our invitation on players who we would probably never hear from again sigh.

charlesemeka85:
with barca's current state i think getting amoo will help in rebuilding the team going forward. another good club that will aid his further development is ajax

Gabriel sha don mature abi? He's older than Mbappe and Haaland so please drop the age excuse.

Now you have shifted from 'preferred' to tactics.

Sorry we are not talking about training but about actual match situations. As good a finisher as Iheanacho is everyone knows he not yet at an elite level of goal scoring.

Jesus was bought because Pep thought he had a potential goal scoring machine to match the kind of technical ability he likes to see in his players like a slightly lesser version of Messi. But when the Brazilian didn't set the stage on fire Guardiola quickly settled for the Devil he knew in Aguero and he was rewarded.

TheGoodJoe:
Gabriel Jesus was a kid for Christ sake. Aguero was the legend. It was purely about tactics.

Said the same about Iheanacho. That Iheanacho scores at every opportunity in training but he wants more from a striker.

Nope he thought Gabriel had end product if Pep wanted work rate and defensive contribution he would have saved lots of money and just signed James Milner

TheGoodJoe:
You proved the point here. Whether initially or previously or error, he believed Gabriel Jesus attributes over Aguero's goal machine abilities.

Finito.

What are you guys arguing facts?

It doesn't prove anything. Pep didn't initially fancy Aguero he thought Jesus would fit the bill the Brazilian largely didn't. Kun till injury and loss of form was still the top dog.

Checkout this scenario What you are trying to say is like when Pep sold Ibrahimovic to allow Messi thrive further in Barcelona. Instead of leaving Barca Zlatan stayed and even surpassed Lionel in goal scoring at the nou camp. Then Zlatan leaves but Messi is trying to break into the starting XI while we say Pep preferred Messi over one of the world's deadliest strikers because of work rate and defensive contribution

TheGoodJoe:

So you agree Guardiola signed Gabriel Jesus because Aguero despite being lethal in front of goal and one of the greatest strikers in the history of the game.

So he chose to sign a small boy due to his work rate off the ball and benched an attacking legend.

Any thing after that is devoid of the point.

If Aguero improved work rate for game time proves my point. Finito.

you prefer someone's food more than mine but every day you come to buy at my stall no be confusion be that?

andrewbaba44:
They said pep prefer Jesus to aguero

But if we check aguero time under guardiola he has more game time than Jesus despite being an injury prone player

Aguero at the beginning of Pep's era also lacked in this work rate and defensive contributions you are mentioning. However the arrival of Jesus made Kun improve his game to match Guardiola's expectations added to his goal scoring exploits.

Jesus on the other hand despite these positive attributes you mentioned which Pep likes hasn't pushed on.

How come Kun during this period played almost the same number of league games than the 'preferred' Gabriel?

How come despite the injury, loss of form and departure of Aguero the 'preferred' Gabriel is still finding it hard to tie down a starting Xl berth?

TheGoodJoe:
Which why again?

Work rate and defensive contributions. Also, Gabriel Jesus is very comfortable on the wings and can play as a winger. So he suits Guardiola's player rotational movement s during play.

So Guardiola preferred him to the best foreign attacker in the history of the Premier League.

Is Aguero rated higher that Gabriel Jesus? Yes.

Did he prefer a less rated striker due to the dimensions he can bring to the team? Yes.

So what is the problem?

Because you said Pep wanted Jesus over Aguero without giving perspective as to why so. Plus your bold somehow suggests that Guardiola has always rated Gabriel over Kun.

TheGoodJoe:
What does that have to do with the debate?

But you're conveniently forgetting what happened after Pep 'preferred' Gabriel over Aguero.

TheGoodJoe:

Is this part of the debate?

Did Guardiola prefer Gabriel Jesus ahead of Aguero who is one of the deadliest striker in the history of the Game?

The simple reason why Gabriel is not that regular now is because he hasn't pushed on from his initial promise.

Pep fancied his talent but when his end product (goals, assists) weren't at the level he wanted he decided to manage Aguero who is/was a proven elite level striker.

TheGoodJoe:
Whether he still or whether he does not rate is not the point. He preferred a small boy over one of the best strikers in the history of football because of certain attributes.

If you want me to breakdown why Gabriel Jesus is not playing regularly now, I will but that is off the scope of the debate.

The same way HEgoat go dey flex muscle against fishermen from peru and bolivia.

andrewbaba44:
Olympic is now small boys competition

Same competition 38 year old Daniel alves worked hard to win ,Thiago Silva , Neymar and co ?

Yeah cr7 do prove himself against farmers from Luxembourg

That's because CR7 proves himself against men not small boys at u23 level.

Abi no be for Olympic we been dey use hail Azubuike Xavi Iniesta Okechukwu that year?

andrewbaba44:
It’s now Aisha buhari cup after he won it ,but when he hasn’t won it you guys said he should

7th ballon d or go choke una next month

Has your cr7 tested olympic success ?

Your cr7 failed at the Olympic and could not even score a single goal against taliban boys of Iraq

My man Joe even though Pep initially preferred Jesus once Aguero started performing and scoring goals Gabriel was given seat belt on the bench. I remember the hype around Gabriel when he first came in like he was the second coming of Ronaldo de lima.

If Guardiola still rated the brazilian that much then he wouldn't be dragging shirt for striker position with Foden, Sterling, Mahrez etc.

TheGoodJoe:

Totally off point.

Read this submission and get the point.
https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/super-eagles-thread-dawn-new/11414#106888082

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Because of tactical attributes, some coaches will prefer to have Osimhen in their team over Haaland.

[b]The point is too simple. Why Guardiola preferred a small boy from Brazil called Gabriel Jesus over one of the greatest strikers in the history of football, Aguero.[/b]

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Get the point.

HEgoat wey dey jubilate for winning Latin America Aisha Buhari Cup. If no be frustration, cry cry and so so threat to retire force Conmebol turn copa america to principal cup una for no get mouth.

andrewbaba44:
What do you expect from cr7 fan boys ?

The goat debate is over and Messi is the goat now so they want to use apari Zidane to start another debate that’s dead before arrival

Like I said before we all desperately want our players to do well and be hailed as being world class but we should always be realistic about the current standing of our players and avoid unnecessary comparison that could get to their heads.

andrewbaba44:
Leave those people ,I don’t take them serious anymore

Despite our love for our players we should learn to say things as it is ,just because this is an eagles thread doesn’t mean we should not say things as it is

At least osimhen is doing well for him self and highly rated ,but that one no do ,Na to say he is currently better than Haaland with useless narrative as if the people they are telling that are dumb

Simple thing osimhen should continue working hard and he has the potential to be better than Haaland but they said no he is better than Haaland

If a Nigeria player is in the position of Haaland they will tell you he is better than lewandowski

Confused set of people

Someone did a wonderful Thread on twitter about Osimhen's rise to the top worth a read.

https://twitter.com/Sports_Doctor2/status/1450100132112908296?s=20

Exactly my thoughts. Like everyone else I desperately want a Nigerian player to be hailed and regarded as world class but it doesn't happen overnight. It's a process.

Osimhen has started well and looks focused. I'm optimistic he will achieve his potential but let's all slow down with the unnecessary comparisons and hype. He doesn't need all that hype and distraction.

In footballing terms Victor hasn't achieved anything major which I believe will soon change. Yes he's the most expensive African but remember once upon a time Denilson was the most expensive player in the world and we all know how the Brazilian's career panned out.

Let's just continue to support and pray for the best of our players.

Oasis001:


Una no go allow Players blow fess, una go blow their trumpet pass Heaven. Folks ain't gonna learn on this Board.

Osimhen is a fine Player. He's still developing and we should hope he blow past his potentials. Comparing him to Haaland is a big NO, coz the latter is far better than him at the moment.

Haaland of all Strikers? If Haaland is a Nigerian, I am sure he won't be nicknamed Monster Machine but black panther or Nuclear Bomber.

Let's take it easy with our Lads. Iheanacho was once nicknamed hybrid of Messi and CR7, we know what's up today.