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Some other religion will use their own money to buy bombs and guns and go free but I can bet it, they will still criticize this church and pastor. Just watch. Oyedepo built arguably the best ranking university in Nigeria and they are complaining about not being affordable to all members. Forgetting that schools like UI, OAU, and ABU that has been spending more aren't even affordable to all taxpayers even with far lower fees.
I know the public will still attack this because not all member own cars or can afford to board tricycle.

tesppidd:
If we only appreciate the level of corruption in Nigeria then we would never mind even a selective anti corruption crusade.


Just last week in the company where I work, a guy was fired for busting a procurement fraud which had existed in the company for over 15 years. He was sacked for exposing it!

The level of corruption that thrives in Nigeria could be fought to a reasonable extent over a minimum of 20 years.
Just to a reasonable extent!

I really do not mind if the APC' s target is only on the PDP members, as long as such PDP members have stolen money from Nigeria.

When next PDP returns to power, they should witch hunt every single one of the corrupt persons in the APC.
Yes they should!

Little by little we will get from this level of 95 percent corruption to 50 percent.

Did you really type that bold part? Even if they put my kidney in skull, I can't make that statement. If OBJ did selective anti corruption then EFCC wouldn't have gone after Ibori at all and that would have meant PDP probably ruling at Federal level till date.

Goshen360:
How much is the school fees in the university AND HOW MANY PERCENTAGE OF MEMBERS CAN AFFORD THAT FEES....give us figures and let's see who's spreading falsehood and who's inconsiderate

I can see your early attempt at dodging my questions about other churches doing same by asking me question that are irrelevant in return. Let me still give you answer.
Go and check or google "theoyedepofoundation scholarship" and see what it entails. As for the exact figure or percentage of winners member in the church's schools, I can't give you an answer because the school doesn't discriminate or ask for such details when admitting. I know that for sure.


So I am waiting for your own answer as regards church owned schools that are subsidized heavily to point of affordability for all members and runs well enough to have reputation.

Goshen360:
Let me get done driving and handle you on this.... okay

I am waiting for your ignorant áss.
It has been long since i intellectually raped an intellectual like you. I count this as a service to God in advance.

I strongly suspect you are a bricklayer or casual laborer in that project and just managed to snap that pics with your barely-camera phone. If not you won't be demanding funny freebies from a church when your govt still has a face.

Goshen360:
How much is the school fees in the university AND HOW MANY PERCENTAGE OF MEMBERS CAN AFFORD THAT FEES....give us figures and let's see who's spreading falsehood and who's inconsiderate

Oga winners does not force people to pay their money there. The government is there taking tax from you forcefully. pay your offering to the government then take them to court if you don't get admitted to a public school because you couldnt raise enough to pay the fees.
Show me a church owned or run university that works that way and satisfies all members. I am waiting.

Church seed are suppose to be paid with faith of receiving. That's why Abel was justified and had acceptable offering above Cain. So stop trying to pin this on Oyedepo.

Goshen360:
What in the world are you talking about? When a man does good, he will be commended for it and no one hating on Oyedepo and his contribution to the community but just make it AFFORDABLE TO THE AVERAGE MEMBERS SO MAJORITY CAN ATTEND PLUS AND STILL GIVE OUT SCHOLARSHIPS TO THOSE WHO NEED IT BECAUSE U CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME.

No system works like that and survives. Nigeria is an example. The Deeper Life University ( forgotten the exact name ) are also good example. They can't pay salary because they want to make their school cheap by all means.

Winners financial model is a fair one and I challenge you to show me any school that runs the way you are suggesting and excelled.

Goshen360:
Because YOU ALREADY KNOW an average member won't be able to afford the price tag that will eventually be placed on it....just like the universities.

Stop spreading falsehood. There are poor folks in that school. there are robust scholarship schemes in place for those brilliant enough and proven member that are unfortunate to be orphaned.
You talk as if poverty is a thing that is planned or a thing that can be insured in such way that if you ever make money, the insurer pays you heavily.
Stop spreading falsehood sir.

Goshen360:
Before they start to brag they didn't borrow a dime from the bank or any institution, I hope the members will be able to afford these houses to rent unlike the university that was built with same members' money but wasn't affordable. Btw, why do you tagged it Oyedepo massive estate? His personal property or church investment? I'm just curious

You can hate me for telling the truth....I really don't care....

See them already. Are there no orphaned members from humble background graduating from CU and LU yearly? The answer is they exist and in substantial number, so what are you talking about. It is a matter of giving a percentage of admission slots to the brilliant and poor(orphaned) via scholarship and then making the best of the rest pay according to the set standard.
I am ashamed of you bros.

Let me book space for haters who will come and shout "some members can't afford it".

supereagle:
We shall get there, one step at a time, we shall know what is working and what is not working.

There is no getting there without restructuring it ASAP.
What we have is just selfish folks benefiting from the current sharing arrangement who are always supporting the current structure.

Even without stealing Nigeria can't work with the current structure. How can govt subsidize everything from education to health to fuel and expect the citizens to be productive. The day oil dries up is the day we breakup.

Both PDP and APC are dead parties.
Nigeria is an artificial country held together by freebies and it is only a matter of time before the source sustaining those freebies dry up. May be then everybody will go and answer his papa name willingly.

The north don't like anything about the south but the oil. The south only fear the consequences of a forceful breakup ( war ) and the resource owners are too scared and clannish to think of a breakup plan. it is a bad situation.

The gods must be appeased.

Jman06:
There's no spirit whatsoever in the whole thing. Just a sham the initiates used to con the uninitiated. But honestly, anyone who hasn't gone in would think there's a spirit behind it.

Although it has some advantage in the sense that it is used to keep the men in check and maintain sanity in the village.

It was a sham to you because spirit are silent and invisible. That's were you got confused.

Ugosample:
that guy you are quoting is right

Dangote joined the oil party VERY LATE

Dangote Cement plus Sugar contributed a huge chunk to his wealth

With the support level from govt he is an artificial billionaire.

Chizuru01:
Dangote never made money through oil blocks. I respect him for that.

Cameroonian immigrant spotted.

Jman06:
God is a spirit just like I lived the greater part of my teenage years believing that a certain night masquerade in my village was a spirit until I got initiated into the masquerade cult only to discover that the whole thing was a grand scam! A scam the elderly men used to defraud the uninitiated!

What does this initiation entails? I asked because initially are generally done with or through transference of spirit or the through spirits. so if yours led to a scam was the initiation itself void of spirits or the spiritual.

hypertension:
Thanks for the time. That verse was surely because they on thier own decided to give to paul..other churches did not vs 15

He was not talking about tithes here too. if not the other churches would have been compelled to pay.

He did not request that they do. But they did on thier own and he prays for their reward from God.

My point was he did not act like these pastors we see around. Requesting money every day..

Surely, when u give to men of God, you will be blessed. Im only against compulsory tithing not free giving to ur pastor through love thereby demonstrating ur love in God.



Paul was a man of God and contented.

Tithe is alive. Plus I never said or implied Paul was talking about tithe in the said scripture.

hypertension:
This is the new law

You can kill, repent, and be forgiven and still inherit the kingdom of God provided u live in the spirit

its called grace my dear.

Having said that, if u love ur neighbour as your self, why then kill him

So I can do yahoo plus and after 20 years of probably bringing misery to others I will then dedicate my life to Christ and be in line for heaven even when I had it all planned out?

That's some Ogboni doctrine man and not Christianity.

Go tell that to islamists who have determined that population growth is a tool of domination and spread of their religion.
Failure to plan, they say, is planning to fail.

hmmm. . .

hypertension:
While it us wrong to pay tithes u must give to ur pastor and the church..at ur own will

Here is what paul said philipians 4:10-17

" I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11[b] I am not saying this because I am in need[/b], for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

14 Yet it was good of you to share in my troubles. 15 Moreover, as you Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, not one church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving, except you only; 16 for even when I was in Thessalonica, you sent me aid more than once when I was in need. 17 Not that I desire your gifts; what I desire is that more be credited to your account."

You are confusing tithe for pastor / prophets seed. In fact the prophets seed is why the likes of Oyedepo and Adeboye are rich and not one tithe or offering as you guys like to claim.
in the verse you quoted, Paul in fact justified the prophet's seed when he said he desires more to be credited to the payers account. It is a spiritual transaction. How can I pay out money to my pastor and say I have been credited. That's not the physical law. in the physical if I take 2,000 out of 5000 then I am left with 3000 but in the spirit realm who you give it to and how you give it to makes it an increase and not a decrease, It is a spiritual thing. It follows the give and take pattern through which men connected to the heavens all over the scripture.
Tithe is Gods commandment and not a Jesus idea. Tithe is still alive today.

hypertension:
Lol...The 10 comandment is in "love ur neighbour as urself".. . Christ death ended the law

"Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith"

Now u must work in the spirit of christ Gala 5: 22 -23

verse 25 says

"Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit"

Stop confusing yourself. The law was added to and not cancelled. I can't kill and then say I have faith to cover it. Read Romans chapter 2, 3.

Originakalokalo:
Atheism is one of the oldest believe in the world.

Yet, it is not popular.

Now, over 5 billion people believe in the existence of a god /God. That makes atheism A BRAIN DISORDER.

you guys are not much. So, there won't be a stampede when you guys go to hell.

Atheists do not have any business being in a kingdom of a God who they do not believe in.

So, unless you repent and get converted,

You go straight on a jet to hell ...Fast and Furious.

I love this. Mad men are termed mad because majority see them as mad and so atheist will always be the odd one out because they are minority.

The Federal Universities are corrupt and even a blind man can see it.
They don't need more money but better management of the billions being given to them.

ClearFlair:
PDP is a very funny party. They are accusing Buhari of not reversing the damage they did over 16 years in just 4 years and are now asking Nigerians to vote them in so they can continue where they stopped. Isn't that absolute madness?

What damage has PDP done that APC hasn't done. By stressing 16 years of PDP damage here, are you trying to now trying to negotiate 16 years of APC?
That's the problem with Nigerians. No sensible target but self.

MightySparrow:
I think these are overflogged issues. if you judge the bible principles to be true pay your tithes and offerings,first fruits, vows, thanksgiving offerings,sacrificial offering, freewill etb as for me, they work for me, evidence not arguement.

Tithe has always been scriptural but those envious of the growth the church is seeing have decided it will be best to drain the church of its finance. It will not succeed.

frosbel2:
Yep, the woman has to be tamed, RIGHT ?
Religious bigot !!!

Is that what you do to them? please tell us more about you wife-taming tactics.

Many wives of nowadays are rebellious and only remember God's word when they want to avoid responsibility.

gaby:
Okay bros...na Mourinho help Madrid win their first UCL title...

Wehdone...

I never said that. He undoubtedly improved all the teams he has worked with. Madrid, Inter , man u and Chelsea.

gaby:
I dey pity Madrid. Dem no go know say na world class team dem get now until Mourinho go turn dem to Al Ahly Fc.

I disagree with this statement.
Morhinho has improver every team he has worked with since he worked with Porto.
Madrid used to go out in second round of UCL before they got Jose and after they got him was when they started reaching semis of the UCL.
He improved inter, man utd, and Chelsea twice. I can argue that anywhere.
Where was man utd before him or you think their interim coach has suddenly brought all these improvements? Never. Don't confuse squad rebellion for a bad manager man.

Some vehicle transport companies generate more between abuja Lagos and few eastern cities.