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RussellRutherfo:
Can you explain why no other "underperforming group" have specific false prophecy dates like 1975, 1925, 1919, 1918, etcetera?!!

Which church denomination did Carl olof and Raymond Franz belonged after being disfellowshipped from the JWs? Are these churches in Nigeria?

Which religion have you been practising after your disfellowshippment?

As you can see I have removed the last question.
Pls answer those ones. Thanks in advance

RussellRutherfo:
Can you explain why no other "underperforming group" have specific false prophecy dates like 1975, 1925, 1919, 1918, etcetera?!!

Pls will you answer my questions or not?

Auskyd:
LoL he is busy combing thru all my threads, looking for wetin to use tackle me. He doesn't have time for JW now, no vex. He is mine to toy with for now abeg
Walai this guy go see me for dream this night. No cap.
E see shege today. He has never been this riled before. Na full blown rage you dey see so

Lol. Abeg easy o.

She's in Hadēs deeply asleep in death.

False beliefs and religion sha.

How far?

RussellRutherfo how far?

Hismasterpiece:
Lol... I give up! Peace!

I know you would.

You people think human beings are more than what we are. No!

We are just what we are. Our reasoning, mind, consciousness, life, body etc dies with us the moment we stop breathing, we continue to decay untill nothing is left.
God created us to be physical beings.

May you have peace!

RussellRutherfo:
Finish your study at the hands of MaxInDHouse.
You are substandard.
Is this you are going to do preaching work out there.
You meet an "apostate" like me out there. You will be so disgraced that you will dodge me when next you see me.

You seemed to haven't answered any of my questions.

Which church denomination did Carl olof and Raymond Franz belonged after being disfellowshipped from the JWs? Are these churches in Nigeria?

Which religion have you been practising after your disfellowshippment?

Pls RussellRutherfo tell us a better religious group that apply Bible and Christ teachings in their midst and render pure worship to God the Father than the JW. Thanks in advance.

MaxInDHouse:
You this man, why asking this question that's so difficult for Apostates to answer when you know they will never ever answer you nah?

Why dem no go answer
Na straightforward questions na.

He brought problem, then he must bring solution.

RussellRutherfo:
Tctrills is a nice guy but answer me. Did he give false prophecies like C.T Russell and Rutherford?

Sorry maybe you didn't see my questions but I'll help you and bring them up again

Which church denomination did Carl olof and Raymond Franz belonged after being disfellowshipped from the JWs? Are these churches in Nigeria?

Which religion have you been practising after your disfellowshippment?

Pls RussellRutherfo tell us a better religious group that apply Bible and Christ teachings in their midst and render pure worship to God the Father than the JW. Thanks in advance.

Hismasterpiece:
Lol.. Is that what the Bible said?
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;

God made it crystal clear that he would die IMMEDIATELY after he ate the fruit, that is, at the very instant he ate the fruit he would die.

. What part of us was dead? What part did God make alive? Our spirit, obviously.
Capisce? What other explanation is there?

But die he die immediately? Of course not. So what explanation is there to make? Did God lie? No. So what part of Adam died? His spirit, obviously.

Genesis 3:19
[19]By the sweat of your brow
    will you have food to eat
until you return to the ground
    from which you were made.
For you were made from dust,
    and to dust you will return.”

God never said his spirit would die.
It's the spirit that gives life. Study your Bible well. If his spirit died, he would be automatically dead.
Man was created to live forever but after he sinned the punishment he got was death, he ceased to exist and turned to dust.

Gen 2:17 "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

He actually didn't die that very same day but of course death got hold of him that day. He began to grow old, suffer and eventually died.
Some that was created to live eternally. Je could have remained young till date.

That's why Paul said in Ephesians that God has made us alive although we were dead in trespasses

Paul said we were dead in trespasses not in the spirit.

"For the reward of sin is death", physical death. Like decaying and turning to dust.

Paul explained that, we inherited sin and death through Adam our common first Father. Technically, everyone born of a woman would definitely die like Adam but those that are righteous and recieved grace will definitely be given their life back in the future.

RussellRutherfo:
Research and attend whatever Church that the Late Raymond Franz (one man I love who got to the height as a Governing Body members but was honest to recognize the lies of the society and left) and left us a book that I love reading which is "Crises of Conscience". I will be putting out some excerpts from the book later.
Research and attend whatever Church that Carl Olof Jonsson probably attended.

Which church denomination did Carl olof and Raymond Franz belonged after being disfellowshipped from the JWs? Are these churches in Nigeria?

Which religion have you been practising after your disfellowshippment?

Here is some words of tctrills:

You may not leave the church because of its imperfections unless you find a better one

Pls RussellRutherfo tell us a better religious group that apply Bible and Christ teachings in their midst and render pure worship to God the Father than the JW. Thanks in advance.

É be like say na you wan start the Armageddon war o

tctrills:
See paise and insult mixed together.

I didn't actually mean it that way. Sorry.

tctrills:
You may have some points but you seem to be fighting a personal war with them. Remember these guys are not evil. They believe their side of the story just as you believe yours. I suggest you stay away from personal issues and fights and do whatever you do just for educational purposes. Let the public learn your beliefs, opinion and research and never make it a personal battle.

Wow. I never knew you were this intelligent and smart.
Thanks for your honest opinion.

Ken4Christ:
I have done it a few times. And if I have more opportunity, I will do it again.
A young lady was brought to me years back by two young men who held her both hands. She was about to jump into the river when they held her. She said her head was burning with fire after she bought an attachment to fix her head.
I knew it was demonic. I don't condemn those who use attachment. Maybe this one came from an evil source.
I told the young men to leave her alone. She was still not herself. Immediately, I commanded the evil spirit to leave her. She fell on the floor, got up and was perfectly normal. I preached to her. She got saved. I laid my hands on her to be filled with the Holy Ghost. Instantly she got filled and began to speak in other tongues.
This is just one occasion. Time will not permit me to state other experiences of casting out demons.

Okay.

Matthew 7:22-23

[22]On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
[23]But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

There's are a lot of false prophets that can perform miracles today.
How can we identify them?

Well "by their fruits you will know them".

About tongues, people that speak it today speak gibberish. They claim to speak it through the spirit but never had the spirit gave them the interpretation of the tongues why?
Cos they speak rubbish from the abundance of their heart not from the spirit.

I actually spoke in tongues before. It wasn't real. I knew it within me. I was kinda made to believe that it was from the HS.
Satan deception is everywhere today.

SeraphEl:
Listen here! I don't have time for argumentS. So, I will make these points and be finished here, so do not expect a response from me.

Speaking in Tongues is a spiritual language NOT previously known to man. Can it be known language? Of course. But, It does NOT have to be known. .

Here is a question for you to ponder. CAN GOD INVENT NEW LANGUAGES NOT PREVIOUSLY IN EXISTENCE TODAY? Is it NOT GOD who created known languages in the first place. Is HE now unable to invent new ones today?

Hint: any answer but "GOD CAN" is Invalid right off the bat. And if GOD CAN, then case closed! Because, If HE can, THEN, HE is creating new languages TODAY and that's WHAT speaking in tongues are. However, I suspect pride and arrogance will not let you admit that speaking in tongue can be a completely unknown language.

1. 1 Cor 14: 2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries".
How can speaking a known language be a mystery to anyone or to GOD? It can only make sense for unknown tongues to be called "mysterious" if the tonguge is not known to humanity. Full Stop. . Also, note: "speaketh NOT unto men", but unto GOD, for NO MAN undestands him. Paul did not say "no one in the room understand him. Paul said "NO MAN"...like ever.

3. Acts 2: 8 "8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born".
It says here that they "heard" in their own tongue. THEY heard. IT does NOT say that the apostles were speaking the languages. So, don't you think it's possible (supernatural, yes) that the apostles actually were NOT actually speaking the various known languages, but the recipients heard them in their own langauges per the providence of GOD.

I SHALL REPEAT AGAIN. SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS REAL. IT IS SPIRITUAL LANGUAGE DESIGNED TO BE A MYSTERY UTTERED FROM SPIRIT TO SPIRIT FOR COMMUNICATING WITH GOD. THEREFORE IT IS NOT A LANGUAGE IN EXISTENCE.

TO CLAIM IT HAS TO BE A LANGUAGE KNOWN TO MAN IS TO DENY THE CAPABILITY OF ALL POWERFUL GOD AND TO DECLARE YOURSELF ALL KNOWNING= PRIDE AND ARROGANCE.

DO NOT TRY TO RATIONALISE WHAT YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND. ADMIT SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS QUITE POSSIBLY A NON EXISTENT LANGUAGE BECAUSE GOD CAN DO ANYTHING. IF YOU FANCY IT, ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO GIVE GENEROUSLY AND HE WILL GRANT YOU THE ABILITY TO SPEAK IN UNKNOWN LANGUAGE.

THERE ARE 6 THINGS GOD HATES, 7 IS AN ABOMINATION. PRIDE AND ARROGANCE IS ONE OF THEM. DON'T BE ON GOD'S HATE LIST.

Are you from cherubim and seraphim church?

RussellRutherfo:
It has been a frantic one by active publishers like MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Cornelboy, AkiwaleJJ, etcetera of the Jehovah witness Nairaland version working so hard to make sure that the lies of their organizational history is not made public so others or even witnesses will never see them.

They have gone from endless name callings of myself and others like achorladey, johnw47, oteneaaron, etcetera to repeating same old jw propaganda scripts like when everyone becomes a Jehovah witness. They will stop giving false prophecies, etcetera.


I will be hosting you all to some daily excerpts from some Jehovah witness old books that are never brought up by Jehovah witnesses when they meet you and start quoting unrelated bible verses like Janosky does without addressing all that false prophecies and changed teachings by their cult Shunning and Disfellowshipment organization.

Today's excerpt is from the book by the man who named Jehovah witnesses their name. A man who misfired on many fronts after manipulating himself to become the president of the Watchtower Society after the false prophet Russell, the founder of Jehovah witnesses formerly known as Russelities.

This Jehovah witness book titled: "Million Now Living will Never Die" not only turned out false but is now hidden by Jehovah witnesses and wouldn't be entertained by Jehovah witnesses when you question them about this book. Instead they will senselessly waste your time like Janosky does quoting Bible verses not related to the topic just to throw you off your trail of their false prophecies and history.


Here is today's excerpt:

EARTHLY RULERS
As we have heretofore stated, the great jnbi-
lee cycle is due to begin in 1925. At that time
the earthly phase of the kingdom shall be recog- 1
nized. The Apostle Paul in the eleventh chapter
of Hebrews names a long list of faithful men
who died before the crucifixion of the Lord and
before the beginning of the selection of the
church. These can never be a part of the heav- .
enly class ; they had no heavenly hopes ; but God
has in store something good for them. They are
to be resurrected as perfect men and constitute
the princes or rulers in the earth, according to
his promise. (Psalm 45 : 16; Isaiah 32: 1; Matt-
hew 8: 11) Therefore we may confidently ex-
pect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham,Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old,
particularly those named by the Apostle in
Hebrews chapter eleven, to the condition oi
human perfection.

Keep watch as we bring next time an excerpt from your favorite Jehovah witnesses lie making printing factory.

So which church do you attend now?

So that when JWs eventually wake up and leave the cult, they can attend your church of TRUTH with you.

Wahala dé o

Ken4Christ:
. So which of the known languages have you ever spoken? Or, are you not a believer? Jesus said;

Mark 16:17 And these signs SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE; In my name shall they cast out devils; THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES.

Your dishonesty amazes me

All I have been doing was to show you what the Bible really say. I don't know why you would say something like this.

So, which one have you ever spoken? Let's assume as you say that the tongues must be a known language

Bro this ain't about assumption. It was real event that happened. The 120 disciples that first spoke in new tongues had their own native tongue. Probably Aramaic/hebrew or whatever tongue it was.

But they started speaking in new tongues after the baptism of the spirit. People around from other nations were able to recognise their tongues when the 120 were speaking the wonderful things God has done with the tongues. Tongue is synonymous to language!

So to the 120 disciples, the tongues were unknown to them cos they didn't understand.
They could only understand when the holy spirit interpreted it.

So, which of the new tongues are you speaking? Or you don't qualify? Another lie is loading.

Go study your Bible well. I haven't been lying so far. You guys think the JWs are the bad fruits whereas you are the ones not sound in the Bible pure doctrines.

Before I answer you, pls answer this first:

In my name shall they cast out devils

Can you cast out demons in Jesus's name?

RussellRutherfo:


Your mu.mu don do.

See your dead mediator, Rutherford (One if the greatest minor false prophets after Muhammad, Russell. Don't forget it was Rutherford who named you a Jehovah witness. Jesus never did) swearing an oath allegiance to the American government.


Stay tuned. More exposure on the JW lies coming through from me. All that Kingdom Hall brainwashing won't work here.


For those who can't see it will. Judge Rutherford signs the oath:


OATH OF ALLEGIANCE

Further

Thanks.
Which church do you attend now?

achorladey:
Don't help my reasoning, the discussion is not about helping the reasonings here.
Ye e pe documents yen was presented in a real world or fake world. Which one?
Debunk it
Did you see me say I want to stop what you do concerning the preaching work? As long as you remember that whatever you do as well concerning the doctrines of other religious denominations, it won't stop what they do or believe. Agree?
Reality says I am not still a member of your religious organisation. Carry your assumption, speculations and supposition for my face. Na real world I dey not a fake world. Present your evidence to debunk what was presented.
Go and get the ORIGINAL since this is forged. Apply intelligence apply it.You can see the companies abi, go source for it

My last reply for you on this thread.

You really need to improve your English.

First, you said documents could be photoshopped.

Now your asking for the originals for forged documents. Don't you know forged documents are originals on their own but sham?

RussellRutherfo:
You will continue to preach zealously the false teachings of the Governing Body because you all blaspheme Jesus with your false organization lies.
More like you are a marketing publisher of the false prophecy watchtower organization.

JWs are actually only the religious group following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

They don't fight wars.
Their mode of evangelism.
They are not political, hopefully waiting for God's Kingdom.
They were able to translated the Bible and gospel materials into more than 1000 languages. No be small work.
They have accurate interpretation of the scriptures and render pure worship to the one true God the Father.

Are they really blaspheming Jesus or you said that out of your hatred?

MaxInDHouse:
Acholardey can continue arguing till next year and you won't get anything tangible point out of his arguments, one thing i've noticed about him is he loves chatting with JWs even though he doesn't want to agree that we're the only religious organization having the TRUTH, Acholardey can stick to a JWs during argument till tomorrow, that's why i often ignore him after exposing him as an argumentator that's inconsistent. He will continue dragging you into pointless arguments of no practical benefit!

I'm done with the thread already.

achorladey:
Ye e pe documents yen was presented in a real world or fake world. Which one?

Okay lemme help you open your reasoning a bit.

Put yourself in my shoes.
Let say your still a JW and otenearon was asking you to present a document to debunk his documents that say JWs has major shares with companies producing weapons of war, is is it possible to present that kind of document?
Would the request be coherent to you?

The documents he presented were obviously forged.
He needs to bring documents from those companies in order to make his claims authentic. Documents that the whole world would know about. Not the ones found on only apostates sites.

I've heard a lot of rumours spread about JWs, this is just one of them.

Nothing you do here can stop the JWs from preaching the gospel of God's Kingdom and applying Christ teachings to their life till the kingdom comes. Amen.

achorladey:
Mouth don change. Save your face
You now understand that what you call earlier LIES and tarnishing image of your religious organisation as TRUTH? Is this correct?

Have I ever disputed that JWs don't sin?

There's no reason for me to save face.

So what's your reason for bringing it up here that JWs commit immoral acts? And some kill there fellow man?

Sixfiguresmart:
It is very unethical and presumptuous of someone to ask you if you are born again. There is no indication in the Bible that anyone was asked if he was born again by the apostles of Christ or Christ himself. Being born again is a personal, very personal business between you and God. No one should know or ask anybody if he were born again. Not one person was asked this question in the Bible.
Notwithstanding, Jesus said that you will be known by your fruit not by any tag or identification. All you need to know is if one believes in Christ and in the Bible. Take that stupid question far from anyone. It is like asking someone who he voted for in an election.
These fake Christians use this question to appear righteous before you and to intimidate you. Spit on the face of anyone who asks you that stupid question. You do not owe anyone any explanations regarding your spirituality with God. Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
Do not ever feel inferior to all these imposters who imagine to be from lofty places and claiming to have demonic powers to heal and perform false signs

Born agains are actually those that are baptized by the holy spirit.

achorladey:
Laakaye yin ti fe siwo ikiri you no go ever get sense ni?
Many problems for the no go ever get sense peddler.
Oteneaaron presented his own in a fake world you know. Be my guest
I am not the one peddling you no go ever get sense in the first place.

O ti yẹ mi

achorladey:
You now understand that what you call earlier LIES and tarnishing image of your religious organisation as TRUTH? Is this correct?

I never said some JWs don't sin or get tempted.

[quote author=Sixfiguresmart post=112313814][/quote]Pastorprenuers lol

achorladey:
I have the freedom to keep asking.
Photoshopped or photomalled documents as long as it debunks what was posted earlier
Be it logical sense or you no ever get sense wey you dey peddle. Debunk what was posted.
Laakaye e lo fi n kiri you no go ever get sense tele now.

Wahala pupo fun e ni ti Laakaye re wa nidi ikiri you no go ever get sense.

When I said your prominent members are caught in immoral practices using your publications are they LIES and tarnishing the image of the religious organization you belong? You can keep changing your mouth.

Does saying the above means LIES and tarnishing the image of DAVID and by extension Jehovah? Oya change mouth.

Okay I understand you.

achorladey:
What is the content of the one posted on this thread? Go back and see it. Then tell me what should be the content of yours meant to debunk it.
Be it Photoshopped or photomalled.

Otiye mi. The content in the forged documents presented by otenearon should also be the content in the one you want us to bring to debunk the previous ones abi?

You see the document your asking for is impossible in the real world. Wake up awọn Mr intelligence.

RussellRutherfo:
You belong to an organization that has nothing original but copied the people who supposedly introduced paganism into Christianity.
If I say you are a Woodenhead. I won't be wrong. Even the number one thing the organization prides itself is from the same so called paganistic people.

Only mentally imbalanced people can be chained by the false and non-discreet slave.
My joy is many are fading, waking and some are just PIMO and pretending in the congregations.
As the lies of the cult organization gets exposed by more bold ex-JWs coming out. More young people will wake up.

They will wake up to become fugitives having no where to go.

Which church do you attend now?

Thank you for telling us your aim and objectives for creating threads like this.

We will continue to preach zealously, follow Christ teachings and hope for the kingdom to come soon to restore peace to earth.

My sincere advice to you is to stop being a tool for Satan to hinder the TRUTH