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firestar: ^
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Idowuogbo: Never say never my nanny use to tell me.

U fit blow dat direction tomorrow na!

Idowuogbo: Emm.. Can Tpia confirm dis?

Tgirl4real: @ crazy man, I haven't gotten any response yet.

ifyalways: This govt is heartless !

Students that went up north against all odds and at great risks to themselves have to beg to get their paltry allowance

Logicboy03: Thank you for your honest answer!


However, you say the bible has survived thousands of years but that is not quite true. Many original scriptures have been lost. There have been many meanings lost in translations and there are also many translations or versions of the bible. What we have today is an incomplete bible.

Logicboy03: The bible is not a miracle. Or do you think differently? What is your opinion on this?

Horus: @CrazyMan

God was uncertain where Adam was when Adam hid himself in the Garden of Eden. Surely this so called "omnipresent" God that could create the universe and transcend time would be able to locate a hiding man.

Horus: God only learns what has happened when he interrogates Eve. Then he acts. God also cannot determine where Abel happens to be after he has been slain by his brother. Again, he must gain his answers from Cain.

Horus: God has to "look down" to see what is occurring in Shinar and he has to personally view the wickedness of man before destroying the cities of the plain.

Logicboy03: 1) Your claim that the verse means that Cain was deluded into thinking that he went out of God's presence is nonsense! The verse states a physical place (Land of Nod) that Cain went and was out of God's presence. That quote was tied to a physical place therefore, it was talking about a God's physical presence (Which Cain moved out of)

Logicboy03: 2) You say that a life without god is hopeless.

Is Bill Gate's life hopeless

Are 64% of Japanese who clearly say that they dont believe in God hopeless?

Logicboy03: The question now goes to christians-


[size=18pt]a) Are you a miracle accepting or "morals only" accepting Christian? [/size]

Logicboy03: [size=18pt] b) Is interpreting the bible without miracles and the supernatural a modern way of christianity? [/size]

Horus: Interesting thread. The "God" of your bible is Not omnipresent.

Genesis 4:16

"16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

How can Cain went out from the presence of the LORD if he is omnipresent?.

oluface: How many of those who do not believe in the existence of God knew they will be in this world someday. And how many of you know what will happen to u when you die. That is a prove that there is a supernatural being somewhere who regulate all the affairs on earth and every other place. Prove me wrong

obadiah777: DELAFRUITA HAS BEEN RELOCATED TO THE NUT HOUSE WHERE HE BELONGS

psoto: @Moderators,
Why was GC banned for posting about the governor's death?

Odunnu: Tufiakwa ndi SR! Such confused lot

ogbeche77: News just in says the governor is alive but in critical condition in an undisclosed hospital

CrazyMan: God was planing to test Job, and he knew that satan was the right man for the work, hence his boasting.

Satan is the accuser of the brethren. (Revelation 12:10) he brings up accusations against believers and tells God why they must be punished.

God being holy cannot carry out the job himself, so he gives the contract to satan whom he feels would execute it much better.

See this passage below...

1 kings 22:20-22. And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth–gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him. 22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

There are times when God allows satan tempt man, and man fails. A typical example is the case of Adam.

Psalm 34:7  The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
Now from the passage above, one would wonder how satan gained access into the garden of eden to tempt man which was created in the image and likeness of God, and had God's blessings and protection.

The simple answer is that God permitted him...God wanted to know if indeed Adam really obeyed him, or adam was just answering him yes sir simply because he is God.

Take a look at Jesus...

philippians 2:10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

I would ask you...if satan doesn't work for God, what authority would he have to approach Jesus in

[b] Matthew 4:1-10.  Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. [/b]

Satan took permission from God to tempt Jesus...cos without God's permission, satan won't have the power to come within 10 yards of Jesus presence.

Hear his confession in verse 6...satan is aware that Jesus is surrounded by Angels, but for that moment during which the temptation occurred, Jesus was vulnerable.

If you take your time to read the new testament properly, you'll find out that Jesus wasn't tempeted again by the devil. Which meant that his one and only temptation was masterminded by God and executed by satan.

God gave the children of Israel victory over their enemies, because he loves them and has a sworn covenant with them.

My argument isn't about battles, its about individuals...see this passage.

Zechariah 3:1-4. And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? 3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. 4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

Read this passage carefully, and compare it to Job's case, you'll find out that they're similar.

The only difference is that God granted satan permission in the case of Job, and refused him in the case of Joshua.

Satan works for God...and if you read your bible properly, you'll agree with me.

Peace.

seriallink: ^^^^@Crazyman,

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

seriallink: The above passage clearly shows that Satan moved the LORD against Job. I guess that was why Jesus said whenever we pray we should ask the LORD to lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil (Matthew 6:13).

seriallink: Job's issue was a clear case of temptation, God let that happened because he knew Job would overcome it. The LORD fights His enemies (Satan and his servants - both humans and fallen angels) with His own weapons and not with the help of the Satan.

seriallink: Are you saying Satan did this:

2Kings 19:35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they [were] all dead corpses.

Exodus 12:23: For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORDD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite [you].

and this too : >

1Chronicles 21:15-16 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite. And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORDD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders [of Israel, who were] clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

Brah, I'm more than 100% convinced that Satan doesn't work for God! The LORD is holy which is why He hates evil & fights it with His weapons of war! He doesn't need Satan to help Him.

Peace

With the restriction of okada on some routes and the worsening fuel scarcity in Lagos State, many Lagosians who were stranded trekked to their destinations on Wednesday.

Also, motorists were held up for hours following gridlock on most major roads. Lagos-Ibadan Expressway towards Seven-Up, Yaba, Iyana Ipaja, Ikorodu Road, Oshodi-Apapa Expressway, Lagos-Abeokuta Expressway, Oba Akran Avenue, Oba Ogunnusi Road in Ogba among others witnessed traffic snarl.

Findings by our correspondents showed that the gridlock was as a result of motorists struggling to buy fuel at some filling stations, ban on okada in some routes and Sallah rush.

At Oando filling station, Oba Akinjobi Way, Ikeja and at Total filling station in Ojota, where fuel was being dispensed, the queues took over a large part of the road causing gridlock.

Some motorists and commuters, who spoke with our correspondents, also attributed the situation to the Lagos State Government new traffic laws.

They said the policy was not well thought out because it had only imposed hardship on the people.

“I really don’t know the purpose of a law. Is it to make the people suffer or to provide relief? a woman, who gave her name as Janet, said in Ogba.

Janet said she usually took okada as buses do not ply her route.

A motorist, Emmanuel Achubi, told one of our correspondents, that he had to call his office that he would be late for work after being held in traffic for about two hours on the Apapa-Oshodi Expressway.

Another road user, Niyi Onanubi, said, “Higher fares, stranded commuters; these are what you get when a few people think they know what’s best for 18 million others.”

A university teacher, who declined to give his name, said the traffic snarl could be partly blamed on the forthcoming Sallah festival.

“I could not get to any office today (Wednesday) because of the gridlock. Apart from the fuel scarcity and ban on commercial motorcyclists, I think Sallah rush contributed to what people experienced on the roads,” he said.

Commercial bus drivers cashed in on the situation to hike their fares from between 50 to 100 per cent.

The transport fare for Ikeja-Yaba route increased from N120 to N200 while Ketu-Ikorodu was hiked from N100 to N200.

A Bar Beach-bound passenger, who identified himself simply as Cosmas, lamented the traffic situation in the state.

Cosmas said, “From CMS to Bar Beach/Eko Hotels, we used to pay N100 but now, drivers have increased it by 100 per cent. The most worrisome is that as short as the distance is, it will take you close to one and a half hours to get there because of gridlock.

“Okadas, which used to help us in such a situation, have been chased away. Government must rescind its decision in the interest of the people. We are suffering seriously and the situation cannot continue like this.”

A commuter, Jide Adeyemi, said the ban on okada had increased the number of people commuting by bus.

“Apart from the transport fare being too exorbitant the buses are not even available. I have been standing here waiting for a bus to convey me to my place of business for about an hour with no success,” he said.

But a commercial driver, John Sogo, said the hike in fares was as a result of petrol scarcity.

He said, “It’s not our fault. I woke up as early as 5am today (Wednesday) in search of fuel today and on getting to my turn after queuing up for hours, they told me that they had ran out of supply.

“I eventually bought 10 litres for N2, 000 from black marketers. In all fairness, we are left with no choice but to adjust the fares we charge.”

There was also much pressure on the Bus Rapid Transit services as passengers cramped onto the buses. Many would-be commuters were seen in long queues awaiting BRT buses.

seriallink: Are you saying this :

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

seriallink: Btw, I never said God is evil! Check my post again. The Devil doesn't work for God~! The Lord knows everything.

Exo 15:3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.

berem: So where the fake army officer na? Mtscheeew!

seriallink: I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all things :- Isaiah 45:7

^^^^I think the passage above suggests that God do all things with His power & not with the help of satan! So, I don't think satan works for Him~!