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Rocktation: If you're sure ...the second is about some dead lover

OAM4J: Nice one!

@Rocktation are you dedicating those poems to me? You might just win my heart if you do

Flashaldrin: your being a mod i never could fortell
i'm sad as your bestie you never did tell
but now you are, you'll be the model
your super talents you'll now unshell

oh what a chance to show your inner jewel
to portray you externally as a belle
cos many a fight your words will quell
and set a record that'll always ring a bell!

Pharoh: With hindsight, i believe the debate would have been conducted differently but its all good that we have the chance to learn from experience as it is the best teacher. There are some arguments coming up which needs to be addressed and i should say that the debate might have been rushed. I am following the original threads right now and the originator really had lofty ideas but the normal distractions eventually influenced the final structure. I think the coordinating team should be expanded to include more people for behind the scenes deliberations. I will try to drop one or two suggestions before the next debate so that we will not have some of these arguments in the future.



Says me initially but i guess my assumptions were wrong and you realy have a good memory you know.

I am doing okay and you?, been away for a while due to some issues but am back now and congrats for being a mod, hope you do well and bring changes to your section of influence.

Pharoh: This was a wonderful thing to do ( wanted to do stuffs like this as well ) and thanks to everyone who made it happen and to the project coordinator ( don't remember me again i guess ).

Hope we can all take a retrospective view of the past events and see how we can make this debate better going forward. In my personal perspective, i think shymexx should have not been banned if he did not break the debating rules ( was there any rule concerning plagiarism before the debate commenced? ) and also i think some posters will like to make some suggestion to the debate and or see how it can be expanded and reorganized with adequate inputs.

Thanks everyone and keep the discussion going but with less fighting please .

cowgurl: WOMAN...

@Mod Cuddlemii, You are AWESOMELY CREATIVE!

freecocoa: You forgot to add that it will eventually end with names calling and probably extend to whenever the parties involved will leave NL.

I can't wait,so excited in advance.

chucky234: Its been two days of fun,using this opportunity to say a big thank you to Cuddlemii for this great idea and our judges for their immense support,you guys were wonderful.

To my co-debaters, you were all worthy opponents and I look forward to locking horns with you guys in subsquents debate on NL,Shymmex,Newacca,Chedarking,Breezy and Coogar
You guys were damn smart and intelligent,great efforts from you guys.
Our audience were great as this debate wouldn't have achieved its aim without your imput, Freecocoa,Odunno,Jones,Sisi_Kill,Fagamite,Jackbauersballs you guys were wonderful.

Thank you all and good night.

freecocoa: Everybody relocate to another thread please,this one is closed.

Btw Cuddles,when will the ladies have their own debate? I suggest the topic should be "multiple partners is the best for any woman"

shymmex: Cuddlemii ain't even saying nada..

Next time, make physicsQED and Katsumoto the judges..

Your judges are inept for something as logical as this.

coogar: this is fraudulent....5 judges minus the judge that stepped down...yet 3 results were presented!
my simple arithmetic tells me 5-1 = 4.
what is this blatant fraud perpetrated by Nigerian judges?

then again, that was supposed to be the semis....
that newacca mauled shymmex does not mean he would obliterate coogar...
he won his round, i won my round....shouldn't there be a clash between the 2?

breezy047: Good day ladies and gentlemen, my honourable panel of judges, co-debaters and my fellow audience.

For some time now there has been deliberation over the topic ‘Godfatherism is the major cause of corruption and developmental crisis in Nigeria’ and I am here today to debate AGAINST this motion. I have succeeded in making this deliberation as brief and comprehensive as possible and here we go.

1. Look beyond Godfatherism.
Almost everyone here that is carried along with this present trend of politics in Nigeria will agree with me that to solve the current problem of corruption and developmental crisis in this nation, you will need to look BEYOND Godfatherism. As Godfatherism is only a VEHICLE whose engine you will need to look beyond to catch a bare sight of the DRIVER. My arguments are extensively presented below.

2. Obasanjo as a case study.
As you know, when Obasanjo came into power in 1999, he promoted elite corruption to the extreme where only almost a few elite had access to the wealth of the state at the expense of the ordinary people and He changed the modus operandi of godfatherism suddenly. Under his nose, the Adedibu-ladoja (Ibadan), Saraki-Lawal (Ilorin) and Uba-Ngige(Anambra) saga occurred. The culprits were not properly brought to book according to the standing laws of this nation.
Now it is no secret that the President 'Obasanjo' at this time clearly allowed and permitted this trend only to favor his own political PARTY (that was in power) and its obvious egocentric ends. Because this party was desperate and largely interested in devising means to circumvent the ordinary law and rise above every citizen, policies or constitution that may stand in their way. This party was desperate to remain in power forever and that is clearly one of the major reasons why the 1999 constitution was amended in section 308 to provide IMMUNITY for political office holders.
And this is not the end because this moment I openly put it to you that Godfatherism became a tool in the hands of this PARTY that had already or beforehand if you like defected the law and laid a massive foundation of inappropriate political structure.
And as you follow, this leads US to the reality of the hideous fact that Godfatherism is only a tool or a toy in the hands of a desperate GIANT that feeds on and thrives with corruption, self-interest and a desperate lust for power.
Hence you quickly realize that Godfatherism as WE see is not the problem here as it was merely polished by greater element and forces which serve as the foundation to the nation’s political crisis.

3. Babangida and Tinubu as a case study.
The Babangida regime (1985 - 1993) practiced Godfatherism and it achieved a vast sum of development because of strict disciplinary measures taken. Now this present regime also practices Godfatherism but development is stunted. This reveals that the Godfatherism cannot rise above the law except when greater forces allow it to.
Also as we know that Godfatherism is presently practiced in the politics of Lagos with Tinubu occupying the role of the Godfather, yet the state has witnessed notable amount of development in infrastructure.
Now the political party that installed the present Governor of Lagos has been noted and observed by sundry to be a keen achiever and has executed better administration than the present ruling party. Though they practice Godfatherism too, compared with the ruling party, the state within the grasp of their rule has achieved significant development.
If through inappropriate political structure one party uses Godfatherism and some other means to achieve corruption, would it make any sense to lay blames on these means and leave out the source? Not so?
The political and developmental problem goes deeper than Godfatherism. There is a whole lot of rot beneath the lid.

In conclusion,
If Nigeria as a nation is ready for a change in its political situation, it must be ready to look beyond Godfatherism. It must be ready to address the foundation of these problem, such as the inappropriate political structure, the ethnic divide/issues, the elite corruption and a host of others.