₦airaland Forum

It is official. There are so many kids on Nairaland. They don't even know that Buhari, then of CPC was present at the NN24 organised debates in 2011 along with Ribadu, then of ACN.

Oh, wait BlackBerry and Andriod smartphones were not this common then.

Vessi:
Buhari this is a neutral and independent body. You can verify their authenticity or choose any body of your choice to conduct the debate. However you must debate in this age. It is very necessary. How can you lead a transparent government when you can not debate on public prior to the elections.

Buhari was part of the 2011 debates, so it's not like he hasn't done it before.

OmobaNL:
How is it ur biz if I bet on football... ? Mind ur biz coz I didn't quote u

Hit a nerve did I? Now ask yourself; how is it your business that some people are interested in finding their names on a Coke bottle before you sit in judgement over them? Class dismissed.

xcolanto:
@bolded

I knew it was going to come to blaming GEJ as seen in your post! no other reason would make sense to you other than this.. I must say your submission was not in any way objective. from your post I could deduct your an Hay fee cee fellow and there's nothing you and your likes enjoy most than playing the blame game on GEJ. knowing the way you reason and waiting for the 'GEJ is to blame' phrase I must say am done with you. happy voting come the failbuhari project which is working according to schedule. Adios!!

Typical. Once you are not kissing GEJ ass, you are APC. I have simply highlighted what sorts of arguments could come up in a courtroom and you are busy with some pseudo-profiling. I can see how objective you have been so far. Enjoy your day.

Billygee2u:
what have you done for your villagers before I
will ask of your community ?



you are insulting our president,listen and listen well ,"he who respect the elders(GEJ is a senior citizen as our elder) paves way for his
owngreatness
even your attitude here shows that you are not
qualified to be GEJ's son-inlaw's house boy.

Err, not trying to knock your hustle but President GEJ did say that some senior citizens are nothing but garage touts. So much for respect.
#justsaying

Billygee2u:
what have you done for your villagers before I
will ask of your community ?



you are insulting our president,listen and listen well ,"he who respect the elders(GEJ is a senior citizen as our elder) paves way for his
owngreatness
even your attitude here shows that you are not
qualified to be GEJ's son-inlaw's house boy.

Err, not trying to knock your hustle but President GEJ did say that some senior citizens are nothing but garage touts. So much for respect.
#justsaying

I would have loved to see Namadi Sambo or even David Mark's face when he made that comment.

tivta:
. Have you ever bought anything that is edible that you must wear? Oh I forgot,you are woman therefore you prefer to look good than feel good. If this was in the us or other advance country, people will sell the empty cans on ebay for a huge profit or just keep it as a collectors item. Nigerians really have a long way to go.

Thank you o. When people are collecting stamps, crown corks and coins, they will be making fun of the individual. Fifty years or more down the line when the item becomes a rare piece sold for a reasonable sum, they begin to wonder. I guess most Nigerians don't understand the concept of being a collector. Sometimes, it's not all about money.

OmobaNL:
It's such a pity what the country has turned to
Misplaced priorities everywhere

#there was a country

Some of you take life too seriously. There is a place for fun and recreation you know? Do the citizens of every other country on the globe have their names on the Forbes list? Besides, this coming from someone who not only loves football but even bets regularly on it, I'd say glasshouses and stones are in order.

xcolanto:
Bro, I understand the whole back and forth argument of receiving or not receiving the document in a law court. However, don't forget the law also looks at motive. Now if I may ask you, what objective reason can be given as to why the military would lie against Buhari not submitting his WASC when he did? What would be their motive to do so? Don't forget every other document he used in applying to the NA is there except his WASC. So I'll love to hear your reason even if it's a cooked up one.

Just so your aware as well, the principal stood in for Buhari to say he would pass some subjects as seen in the letter presented to the NA. Now if Buhari has his WASC why stand in for him rather than just give him the certificate to present to the NA himself? Think bro!

Motive? How about doing the bidding of their C-in-C who has vested interest in the eligibility of Buhari to contest in this election? Don't forget that this is Nigeria and the army have on several occasions been accused of being partisan. Mind you the Katsina State ministry of education released the contentious statement of results on the request of Buhari, and the Cambridge Assessment Board have also said they will release the results only if Buhari makes a formal request. Even WAEC will not release the result except on Buhari's request. Why then did the army call a press conference to release documents in Buhari's file without the consent of Buhari? Is there an ulterior motive on their own part? Could they maybe have removed his WASC results from the file and released the rest? The fact that Buhari's opponent, the President controls the army is enough motive.

As for the principal's letter, it is simply a recommendation/reference letter, which has been said to be the practice then. it's like applying for some professional courses and your employer writes a recommendation letter to state that you are suitably qualified for that course. Have you not seen people processing admission into tertiary institutions with "awaiting results"?

sonnie10:
There is nothing to show that he ever presented any certificate to the army in the first place. The army have said that they are not sure what the practice was in 1961 about credential verification. What this means is that he has no witness, whether and individual or an organization who can claim that they have ever seen the alleged certificate.

Which is exactly my point. Who is there to prove whether he submitted or not. Buhari cannot prove that he did, neither can the Army prove that he didn't. It becomes a case of I submitted my documents..., no you didn't. Buhari had other documents in his file, but not his WASC result? Why? Did he truly submit it and someone is now trying to be funny, or did he not and he is just lying. How do we know? That is what a presiding judge will have to determine.

xcolanto:
If Buhari never submitted it to them in the first place then what is there to prove? He only said it was with them due to assumption and a high level of ignorance maybe stemming from old age or rapid forgetfulness as witnessed in several of his rallies nation wide. Afterall, he Buhari is not disputing the fact that the NA doesn't have it, that's why he offered to go to his school in his statement to obtain it. So there's no question that the NA docked or tampered with the said document because it was never there in the first place.


Not into law or psychology but for a 100 level student you had way too much laxity on your side. You should have gone to the department's secretary to confirm if indeed your course adviser had received the documents you had placed in her possession for him and not assume it had been passed on before you started parading yourself as a legitimate student, knowing the Nigerian educational system, that was a major error on your side. furthermore, you cannot swear to something you are not a 100% sure off, assuming this was a life and death situation would you have just gone ahead to swear on your life that your course adviser had received your document when you never saw it for yourself?

My point is, if you are not sure and accurate on a matter, never swear an oath to its accuracy. if in doubt you should make an inquiry to ascertain the status before confidently taking a stand.

to answer your question, yes you have committed perjury through assumption and ignorance which is no excuse in law.

Bro, I'm glad you said you are not into law. The law is not always so straitjacketed. It is subject to interpretation and also based on evidence available. So you cannot conclude that anyone has committed perjury until you can prove that he knowingly lied under oath.

I'm a manager in the organization where I work, and trust me if I ask someone to hand something over to my subordinate, maybe while I'm out of the office, I make it a duty to ask when I return. I don't expect a client or customer to come back and be asking "abeg, you don give oga that my file?"

From the bolded part of your statement, you have basically pointed out that our educational system is lax, hence a young and then naive undergraduate like me shouldn't have taken a full grown adult for his word (not minding the fact that I came from a secondary school where things worked). Can we then also infer that the Nigerian army could also have been lax administratively? Or maybe even complicity and even partisan in their claim that they don't have the document. The fact that Buhari hasn't disputed their claim doesn't mean he or his lawyers won't do so in court.

At the end of the day, like it was with my course adviser, it becomes his word against theirs.

xcolanto:
well I must say your in luck today because the case has so far made its way to the courts as wished. see link:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/01/certificate-controversy-abuja-lawyer-drags-buhari-court/

Also you might want to read what senior lawyers think on this matter. see link:

http://www.tribune.com.ng/news/top-stories/item/27726-probe-buhari-over-certificate-senior-lawyers-task-igp


keenly following up the case myself, its going to be an interesting one.. cheers

Modified my post in case you missed it. Oh, and I think the case in court is about eligibility, not perjury.

Just to add. How will the prosecution prove beyond reasonable doubt that Buhari was aware that his certificate was not with the army, or lied about it. I'll give you a personal experience. When I got into 100L in the university, I went to register at my department and was required to submit copies of my academic credentials (WAEC & JAMB). I met the course adviser just as he was leaving for a meeting. He gave me a form to fill and asked me to submit it with my academic results to the department's secretary as he couldn't wait. He clearly stated he would collect it from her. I did as I was told and went my way, a proud, registered jambite.

Fast forward to almost the end of the session and I go to check my 1st semester results like everybody only to be told I was not registered in the department and hence had no records or result in the department. Apparently, the course adviser never collected my credentials. (Only God knows what happened to it till date.) Now, I had been going about believing I was a member of the department, attending classes, writing exams, only to be giving a shocker after almost a year. Imaging if I had sworn to an affidavit that I was a student in that department (for whatever reason) only for someone to make a background check to confirm my claim. Would I be said to have committed perjury?

xcolanto:
Bros, why would the army want to lie against a 'general'? please don't tell me GEJ has a hand in this as other e-urchins would say off some illegal substance. if indeed buhari attached his certificate to his enrolment form and the army states other wise, wouldn't all hell be let lose on the NA knowing they are deliberately slandering him? but buhari didn't question, argue or file any case against them because he knows they spoke the truth. I am sure officers from the 60's that have attached copies of their certificates in their application with the NA if questioned or requested would be made available by the NA.

Well, like I said in my initial post, I would like to see this go to court. I'm not here to discuss GEJ or Buhari, but the charge of perjury based on the scenario at hand and the possibility of making it stick. Let's see how the prosecution and the defense will state their case if it ever gets to court. However, note that even the army admitted in their press conference that they really do not know what the procedure was as far as submitting and storing of academic records back in 1961.

Modified: Just to add. How will the prosecution prove beyond reasonable doubt that Buhari was aware that his certificate was not with the army, or lied about it. I'll give you a personal experience. When I got into 100L in the university, I went to register at my department and was required to submit copies of my academic credentials (WAEC & JAMB). I met the course adviser just as he was leaving for a meeting. He gave me a form to fill and asked me to submit it with my academic results to the department's secretary as he couldn't wait. He clearly stated he would collect it from her. I did as I was told and went my way, a proud, registered jambite.

Fast forward to almost the end of the session and I go to check my 1st semester results like everybody only to be told I was not registered in the department and hence had no records or result in the department. Apparently, the course adviser never collected my credentials. (Only God knows what happened to it till date.) Now, I had been going about believing I was a member of the department, attending classes, writing exams, only to be giving a shocker after almost a year. Imaging if I had sworn to an affidavit that I was a student in that department (for whatever reason) only for someone to make a background check to confirm my claim. Would I be said to have committed perjury?

xcolanto:
Ignorance is not an excuse in law..

Maybe try driving a 100km on a 40km road and when the cops stop you, tell them you had no idea and thought it was a 100km road and see if they just tap you on your back and say welldone and move on!

Ignorance and telling the truth to the best of your knowledge are two different things. How do we know that the army board isn't lying? Can they provide the copies of other officers who joined the army since 1960?

Personally, I can't see how anybody wants to prove that Buhari lied under oath. He swore to an affidavit based on what he believed to be true.

If a father who is not in possession of his kids birth certificate swears to an affidavit that all the children born to him by his wife are his, and later discovers (maybe through a DNA test) that one or all of the kids are actually not his; would you say he lied under oath. Hard to prove. He swore to the affidavit based on what he believed to be true. Is it possible that the army board could be in possession of his credentials (original or copies)? The answer is yes. Could they have lost it or destroyed it? Maybe. The burden of proof is on his accusers. I'd like to see this go to court. The case would be an interesting one.

owolawitola:
Ofcourse u cant park in front of sumones house. Thats common courtesy. But this wasnt sumones house. It was a garage with a free space to park. With no VIP reservation.

You still don't get it. I wasn't parking right in front of their gate but on the other side of the road. Like I said it is a narrow road.

owolawitola:
A parkin space is a parking space. So far as there was no reservation for the space, then he had every right to park there.

Wrong. Not every parking space is a parking space. I once wanted to park on a narrow street so I could go attend to some business in that neighbourhood. Several cars were already parked in a single file. I pulled up behind the last car but realized that I would be facing a building's gate. If I had remained there I would make it difficult for any car to come out of that premises because the road is too narrow. I had to reverse and leave adequate space between me and the last car so that any car pulling out of that building will be to be able to maneuver conveniently. That is responsible and considerate driving. Some other bad driver would have parked his car there and created chaos. That's the same way people double park all over the place creating problems for other road users. The usher may have had his reasons for asking him not to park in that particular spot.

Bro, while the ushers were unnecessarily high-handed, you should also not have disobeyed a clear instruction. Your disobedience only goes to show that you have a stubborn streak in you. I can bet that the usher repeatedly told you not to park there, but you refused to listen. I won't even be surprised if you insulted the dude before going into the service. Or do you want to claim that you just kept mute while he was telling you not to park there? Don't give us half the story just to make yourself look good.

Question. If it had been a MOPOL or Navy rating (dem like to dey flog people well ) that had told you not to park there, would you have disobeyed? Stop playing the victim. You were not exactly gentlemanly yourself. If you can't even obey simple instructions given to you directly in person, I wonder if you will obey simple traffic and civil instructions when nobody is watching.

Change your ways or next time it will be LASTMA..., or whatever it is they have in Abuja. Ushers, you too try and use your church mind next time ehn? We know say OP dey stubborn, but two wrongs don't make a right.

olusolaj:
Thats good
These are original nollywood GEJ till 2019

BUHARI supporters largely consist of:
1. Core muslim Northerners

2. Core muslim South Westerners

3. Christian South Westerners belonging to RCCG

4. Unemployed/Frustrated & VERY ANGRY youth.

5. Unskilled/Lazy individuals.

6. Failed/Struggling or broke celebrities.

7. Closet tribalists from NW, NE & SW

8. People with domestic, emotional or psychological problems.

9. People that scored 'F' in History & Mathematics at WAEC

10. Depressed Nigerians in the diaspora.


GOODLUCK JONATHAN Supporters:

1. Core Christian Easterners & Niger-Deltans.

2. Liberal South Westerners.

3. Highly educated core-Northerners

4. Northern/Middle-beltan Christians.

5. Young/Successful business men & women

6. Successful Nigerian celebrities

7. Confident people with high self-worth & optimistic view on life.

8. Highly optimistic & positive people.

9. Married women with loving husbands.

10. People that scored at least a pass in Mathematics at WAEC.

Sadly, the number of people in the 'bolded' alone will probably swallow up all of those that make up the second list. Probably by a ratio of 3:1

Yeske2:
Has your account been hacked or what?

Good question. I've been wondering when in-sincerenigerian suddenly decamped. Abi Fani Kayode don comot your name from Abuja payment list?

mya1:
Ralia the sugar girl!


I was a storybook addict in my primary school days. I read Koku Bamboni, without a silver spoon, Ralia the sugar girl, African midnight tales or something (Malham Shehu) etc.
My primary school days was fun..

Onward, 2a and 2b, drawing book,olympic exercise book.. Etc Good old days

Yeah, Koku Bamboni! I read that while on holidays at my grandma's house in Ibadan. Ah, such sweet memories.

xmileeasy:
just wondering where PASSPORT OF MALLAM ILLIA is presently.how many of una read that book?I chop cane for that book o

I still have an old coverless copy in my library. Classic book.

Creamish:
I also used this one..

www.nairaland.com/attachments/892973_a20onward_jpge7fd14a9d6b82dac8466784763b79798


Sometimes we r made to number d pages so we dont keep taking dem off from the centre page...lolz...then u'd see an 80-leaves book looking like its just 30-leaves..

Oh my goodness. We had a song for this one too back in the days.

ONWARD - Ole Ni Wale, Aji Ruler Dada
BIG - Baba Iya Gani
EXERCISE BOOK - Ede times Ede, Remi Koni Iya, Segun Elere Boolu, Odabo Odabo Kayode.

Choi, can't even believe I remembered the song.

I'm happy for the young lady, although I'm not sure if the English League is the best for her. The English ladies haven't proven themselves to be a big team in female football, unlike the Americans, Swedes and Norwegians.

Well, I wish our girl all the best and pray she becomes a bigger star.

obynoses:
All the posters before me are fools. Big fools. You don't even read papers, u don't even hv voters cards and don't even stay in Lagos. A man who has promised to wipe tears brot by fashola and his cohorts.a man who will make us browse the net free by negotiating with ISP companies. In fact let's see y PDP won't take Lagos.

And you know all these things about everyone on this thread because you are psychic? Abi you be winch? Only you sabi who get PVC and who dey stay Lagos. You be principality?

mpire:
Are you sure that nonentity passed? Because if he actually graduated high school, he shouldn't be this stupid as a presient. Homer Simpson would have performed much better in Aso rock than this blind bat. I'm not surprised some of you clowns really believe he's the best thing since slice bread. This Burahi produce your certificate is really getting boring; you iidiots have to come up with something else because that doesn't seem to be working; I'm suggesting..."Buhari is a Ghanian" or something.

Funny thing is according to Mogidi, GEJ spent 9 years in Primary School. He hasn't come back to tell us why.

Mogidi:
If you expect us to pardon the olodo man you need your Lai Lai Mohammed head examined. When we go for interviews we don't expect our future employers to pardon us for not being qualified. If he wants us to employ him, he needs to show his certificates.
Buhari has the certificates, he failed woefully and he's ashamed to produce it.


GEJ passed mathematics o (apologies to General Buhari)

Wow, the bold part is quite interesting. You mean President GEJ spent 9 years in Primary School?[/quote]Part of Dr Goodluck Jonathan's impressive CV
SCHOOLS ATTENDED WITH DATES
ST STEPHEN’S PRIMARY SCHOOL (NOW STATE SCHOOL) OTUOKE 1961 – 1965
ST MICHAEL’S PRIMARY SCHOOL, OLOIBIRI, BAYELSA STATE FSLC 1966 – 1969
MATER DEI HIGH SCHOOL, IMIRINGI, BAYELSA STATE 1971 – 1975
UNIVERSITY OF PORT HARCOURT 1977 – 1981
UNIVERSITY OF PORT HARCOURT 1983 – 1984
UNIVERSITY OF PORT HARCOURT 1987 – 1995

Part of Dr Goodluck Jonathan's impressive CV
SCHOOLS ATTENDED WITH DATES
ST STEPHEN’S PRIMARY SCHOOL (NOW STATE SCHOOL) OTUOKE 1961 – 1965
ST MICHAEL’S PRIMARY SCHOOL, OLOIBIRI, BAYELSA STATE FSLC 1966 – 1969
MATER DEI HIGH SCHOOL, IMIRINGI, BAYELSA STATE 1971 – 1975
UNIVERSITY OF PORT HARCOURT 1977 – 1981
UNIVERSITY OF PORT HARCOURT 1983 – 1984
UNIVERSITY OF PORT HARCOURT 1987 – 1995[/quote]What happened? Did he have to repeat Primary 3-6? Also noticed it took him 2 years after leaving secondary school to get into Uniport. Did JAMB do him strong thing?

kilakhan:
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was WAEC that issues WAEC/WASC results. WAEC has been conducting entrance exams since the 50's. Buhari supposedly wrote this exam in 1961. If in all honesty he did write it what does it take to go to WAEC office in Yaba and get the original WAEC results?
Lets be honest to ourselves. This is the first time in my life I have seen a State Ministry of Education issue a WAEC certificate! The State Ministry has nothing to do with the conduct of WAEC exams or giving out certificates. That piece of paper is worth nothing!

The same WAEC that could not find the certificate of an exam I wrote in 1995 is the one that will find that of 1961? I hear you. Besides, let PDP go and request for it through a court order.

ellechrystal:
Stupid, wat a coward.. with just one vote? Wat difference does it make? U c some celebs n think they r actually sensible, yet they prove u wrong.
Lagbaja if I were u I will just b mute.
Some people r so daft in comprehension.
Don't go n look for ways to revive ur dead career, stay there n talk ur self to trouble.
Misplaced priority.

Have you preached this same message to Joseph Yobo, Kanu Nwankwo, and the many Nollywood actors openly supporting GEJ? Some of you don't even know what a democracy is. Everyone, including celebrities, are free to declare their support for any candidate. There is no rule against it. Or did Oprah Winfrey and many other American celebrities not openly campaign for Obama?

And then you ask what one vote can do? Okay, sit at home and don't go and vote for GEJ on D-Day now. Since your vote doesn't matter.

IGBOSON1:
^^^Looking at those pics, can you advice on what 'aunt dough' should have done before her tenure as minister of aviation was cut short prematurely?

Cheers!

In this country, a minister's tenure is usually short and often at the whim of the President who appoints them. This is why the vision for the ministry must come from the Presidency. That way the vision can be passed on to the next person who takes over. This is what I've been trying to explain to some folks here. The minister of agriculture has been steady and has done a good job so far. Would it be nice for someone else to come and undo his good work? Princess Stella also tried while she was there. Should the new minister now undo her work under the President's watch? The vision must be clear. A world class airport at all times. Any minister or permanent sec who fails to ensure that must go. Then they'll know the President means business.

phantom23:
@Dabossman,
You have taken everything out of context here.
The current state of that airport didn't magically appear out of the blues under GEJ admin. It's been on a steady decline since the mid 90's and Dele Momodu has not challenged any other president on this... Why now?
Also people are appointed to oversee minor things like these because the office of a president is a busy one.

All this analogy of yours about leaving one company to another....what are you on about?

It's simply a management issue. The guy I quoted claims the problem is because the minister was changed. My question is will any minister remain there forever? Will you as a CEO let your company collapse simply because one manager left?

This is not about President Jonathan, but about leadership and building legacies that last. The renovation exercise is a landmark achievement for this government. Now it is being rubbished for lack of maintenance. Should that not bother the President who signed of billions for its execution?

Our leaders need to go a step beyond just building infrastructure but also ensuring that a culture of maintenance is established. We all know maintenance is our problem. Why don't we address it?