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MaxInDHouse:
You must belong to the same CULT with this man:
“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25
No wonder you so much disregard people but you keep going to visit them in their homes! Matthew 10:11-12
My brother, the enemies of truth surely have mental health challenges! Job 5:13

The ones who regard others as something are the same people who will instantly pick up weapons without a second thought to kill those not of the same tribe/colour/religion with them in times of civil unrest/war meanwhile the ones who don’t regard others as anything have sworn by the name of their God never to raise weapons(Matthew 26:52) against their own brothers and sisters because of deep-rooted love(John 13:35) or against any other person in fact for any reason whatsoever because of the love we have for our neighbours. Romans 13:10
Surely, I’ll pick the ones who don’t regard others as anything as my close friends anytime any day.

Great. Another long epistle that no one’s going to read. Later he/she will claim he’s not triggered by the activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses. LOL!

@PeaceJoyLove, I was addressing my brother, not you so don’t be a bonehead.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't you know some people are 9icer and more generous than Jesus Christ?

My brother, the one that shocked me pass was when he/she kept saying “Jehovah’s Witnesses do not regard others as anything”. I’m still trying to wrap my head around what that means because if we do not see others as anything, why will on a normal Saturday morning that’s meant for rest will a Witness wake up, freshen up/shave, arrange Bible and magazines inside field service bag and then go out and start knocking on the doors of our neighbours and friends to bring them the good news of Jehovah’s Kingdom if we don’t regard them as anything?
Or does it not rather mean that we are looking out for their interests(Philippians 2:4) so they can become abreast with Jehovah’s will and then choose to do it because only then will they be amongst those who will survive the impending cataclysm(1John 2:17), can such a person be said to regard others as nothing? Let everyone be careful so his/her conscience not accuse him/her after making irreverent statements.

PeaceJoyLove:
[s]Go and learn about the concept of prayer of Intercession. Powerful christians who know God intimately and have not allowed their brains to be cooked can relate.[/s]

More so, the verse you quoted, Jesus mentioned about one person...Judas. Meaning he was specifically praying for his disciplines. Of course, the prayer is applicable to other situations, but not the way manipulators like you use it. No wonder atheists always say you twist the bible to favor you. Lol. Of course Jesus mentioned Judas there.

[s]
Guy, I confidently repeat myself: I am praying for you. My Jesus will work wonders in your life.
You are even righteous to the level that you do not pray for lost souls as you see yourselves so righteous. You are just the modern Pharisees and Sudacees. Chai. Christ! Devil witnesses are on another frequency oooo. Chai. I love that SDA babe here. She knows when to be silent and she always writes... "I am praying for you in all her posts". Which could be annoying the way she uses it. But she knows the power of prayer of Intercession. Lol. You Jehovah witnesses are terribly disgusting. That self righteous will destroy all of you.
Guy, cant you pepper me again? You should have made research to check this moniker if you can toy around with me. I have told you....get the crap outta my side if you do not want me injure you with words here. I will render all your talks meaningless soon. Continue ....do you hear me...continue showing how "m.umu" you are here. How can you allow some bunch of elders turn you to a zombie? Did I call you a zombie? Nope. You wrote here I can call you a zombie. And truly, you are a zombie without brain. Now, noodles are there. [/s]

Pick up a Bible and stop embarrassing yourself. In that same prayer that Jesus made, he regarded Judas Iscariot as the “son of destruction” and that his prayer did not cover him(John 17:12) because he has already been judged on account of betraying God’s Son. Mark 14:21
Again, please stop embarrassing yourself.
The rest is noise.

PeaceJoyLove, it’s not paining you I agree yet you can type long epistles that no one sane bothers to read to express your deep aversion towards people minding their own business.

P.S. It is a huge crime praying for people who do not want to change. Jesus never uttered a prayer in behalf of the Pharisees and scribes. On the last night before his death, he prayed in behalf of that his own disciples and that was it. John 17:7-26
Jesus even said: “I make request concerning them[his disciples]; I make request not concerning the world[those under Satan’s authority] but concerning those whom you have given me[his disciples]” —John 17:9
So please by all means continue displaying how misinformed you are to everyone following the thread. Have a good day.

@PeaceJoyLove, the summary of all I’ve been saying is: Jehovah’s Witnesses are no part of the world under the control of Satan(John 17:14-16) so if even others in the world hate us for stand we take, we aren’t surprised. 1John 3:13
So if Jesus’ own words mean nothing to you, then fine you can continue wailing and crying as it will continue to pepper you(Luke 16:24) after all according to Jesus himself, a great void has been established between the truth and falsehood so it is impossible for two of us to agree on anything, it is either you agree with me or I agree with you but be rest assured we cannot hold hands i.e. there can never be mutual understanding. Luke 16:26

P.S. I earlier told you that I’m not responsible for how you understand the Scriptures I quote. One other guy tried using the same technique with me months back because he had nothing in his arsenal to dispute the truth before him.

PeaceJoyLove:

Of course, the main hole I have picked and I'm pointing straight in your nose is that why do you condemn the giving of others as not acceptable? One of your own boasted as if your giving is ultimate. I asked questions, and you guys gave me your answers. I am the only one who has picked this hole here with you. But the three of you here who are JWs has shown that your own religion or denomination or giving is the ultimate. And you picked everything wrong with others. You called others the world like outcast. But when you are told you are a cult, you do not like it.

Please feel free to call Jehovah’s Witnesses “cult”, “zombies”, “robots” or whatever you like while we will keep rejoicing since it proves we are true disciples of Jesus Christ(Matthew 5:10-12) after all our Lord and Master was called an agent of Satan so we shouldn’t expect anything less. Matthew 12:24

And can you see how 3 of you roam about threads like wounded lions defending what you should allow nature and time judge? You must prove JW is good. You must defend everything. Why? While defending, you must tell other denominations and churches many nasty things. You must tell them only your god is the only one. Who picks holes more? You, the other two, and all JWs. This is why people do not listen to you. I am not criticizing you, but telling you the truth the way it is. And I can tell you that one who doesnt attend my church will agree with me. And when more than 100 people from different backgrounds are telling one that his ways are wrong, the person should check himself well. Rather, you will all come out and boast more. Lol. But when you push the words out to atheists, they ridicule you, mess you up. It right here on NL how you rant with atheists. At the end, you look so stu.pi.d. The threads are here. So, who pick holes more? You tell me.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing what you should be doing, that is, silencing opposers of God’s Word. Isaiah 54:17
So we are all qualified and well-trained to handle God’s Word properly when it comes to silencing atheists. Ephesians 6:17, 2Timothy 2:15
Or don’t you notice from those threads how the atheist in question keeps ridiculing your kind who can’t substantiate their faith but goes mute when the Witnesses step up to the challenge?

I didnt bother to check your Bible verses, sorry cos you all always quote wrongly. But your words here make sense. I agree with you. So, the way you are careful is the same ways others are careful too. Thank God we have something to agree on. But I had to say it that I doubt you will be humble enough to mention a point you agree with me or others because you must not agree with the world. Lol. Only points you agree with other JW you will say. Lol. I have not seen a single post of yours where you appreciate any other person apart from boasting and praising your own. What kind of attitude is this? I mean, cant you see any good thing in others you can appreciate? Guy, I do not want to be a part of a gathering like this. A gathering which sees others worthless. Never!

I’m not teaching you anything so I’m not responsible for how you understand the Scriptures I quote.
It’s not by force that you become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, sir/ma. Many of us have Bible students who have seen that the world’s situation has changed drastically since the start of the pandemic(1Corinthians 7:31) and have taken their Bible studies seriously so those are the ones we expend our time and energy on since they have proved to be rightly disposed for everlasting life. Acts 13:48

OMG! Did Paul, Auila and Priscilla you mentioned here go about condemning their employers? Oh! It's their money you want, but you cannot thank them and appreciate them for giving you the jobs. And the same jobs provides for you to contribute and start boasting the works you do in your church. If they decide to not enrol you into their tertiary institutions so you do not get the degrees and you dont have jobs to do, will you be able to make donations in your kingdoms? You better wake up and stop this "we are our own Island". You live in a world where you cannot exist without others you teach your members to see as "the world".

Contrary to what you think, our brothers do not badmouth their employers, in fact we do not even carry placards to protest about salary/pension/gratuity or what ever when issues like those crop up and all of this because we follow the Bible’s advice. Titus 2:9, 1Peter 2:18

So, JWs can make money from unrighteous people, but cannot employ the unrighteous and must consider his own JW first. Lol. Nepotism at the top. Let me even tell you, you have equal chance of attending all institutions. The so called world you see as evil does not discriminate when employing you. If doesnt discriminate when accepting you into institutions. Does not discriminate you when you try to access health benefits. Yet, you see this so called world evil. And only you are righteous. So, I put it to you like you put it to me: why is JW picking holes with every other person in the world?

Of course, many people consider Jehovah’s Witnesses to be valuable assets when it comes to work or money-related issues that’s why most times we are easily employed because we are known for our honesty. Hebrews 13:18

We remain subject to Caesar only when he doesn’t demand something that doesn’t belong to him(Matthew 22:21) and so we pay taxes(Romans 13:7) therefore we have the same rights as other citizens to receive all of such benefits.

PeaceJoyLove:
I am happy to hear this. Nice. But wait. What is the meaning of "should care only for the ones amongst us"? As in those who are JW members only? Or among us on this earth which means in the whole world?

Like has been said earlier, we are more concerned about those in our spiritual family. If other religious organizations follow Jesus as they claim, you won’t be picking holes in the comments of Janosky, Max because then those so-called Christians would also have a spiritual family to run to in times of distress. Mark 10:28-30

Talking about assisting others in the world aside of the relief work that’s focused on our fellow believers, that’s totally up to conscience of each JW to do that(Matthew 6:2) but such a person has to be extremely careful because showing off material wealth can attract hatred to the person(1John 2:16) and even those worldly persons whom he is helping will want to seek ways to outdo their helper because they may be just disabled or poor but that doesn’t mean they’re good persons at heart so that’s why each of us exercise caution and moreso, that’s the reason why I said we focus more on those in our spiritual family so the world can take care of its own(John 15:19) while we will take care of ours. James 1:27

Oh and I read through the thread and that your argument about Jehovah’s Witnesses making money off unrighteous people is just you beating up a dead horse because even the apostle Paul, Aquila and Priscilla were making money off unrighteous persons from their tent-making business. Acts 18:3

OP, can you tell us the experience that Lazarus had while he was dead for 4days in the cave? Did he or any of the other 8 who were resurrected in the entire Bible give any experience that they had been to heaven? Or were they simply in an unconscious state where their brains no longer function? Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, John 11:11-14

People are always making claims here and there about seeing what looks to them as “heaven” when in fact, Satan is a crafty spirit being who masquerades as an angel of light and deceives such ones into thinking that they had a vision of heaven. 2Corinthians 11:14

PeaceJoyLove:
Hmmm! Thanks for the response. You quoted the service of man to widows, old people, and orphans. What do JWs do in this area? I am trying to get it cos these people have separated themselves seriously. Do they do any service to humanity?

Jehovah’s Witnesses work what is good towards all sorts of men but we focus more on those in the spiritual Ark. Galatians 6:10

Talking about widows, orphans and older ones, God’s Word said the congregation should care only for the ones amongst us(1Timothy 5:3) as it is pleasing to our God. James 1:27

And usually after a disaster strikes in any country worldwide, Jehovah’s Witnesses are usually the first to rush to the scene to inquire about the welfare of our brothers and sisters and provide the needed comfort and relief(food,clothing,shelter) for them. 2Corinthians 1:3,4
Both Witnesses and non-Witnesses benefit from this relief ministry because even the first century Christians did as Jehovah’s Witnesses do today(Acts 11:27-30, 2Corinthians 8:1-4) the only thing is we are unaffiliated with any governmental/non-governmental agency.
James 4:4

Not to sound insensitive or anything as the death of a loved one is a really painful experience but is this clergyman using this statement as an excuse why he could not raise his son from the dead? Hasn’t there been an instance when it was said that this man supposedly “raised” the wife of one of his pastors from the dead? Is the power he always claims to have not strong enough to do likewise for his son?

In fact, Biblically speaking, it is improper to ascribe this sort of deed to God so the statement this man made is grossly incorrect. James 1:13

OP perhaps it was Jehovah’s Witnesses who made the following Bible translations?

Acts 20:28

Contemporary English Version:

“Look after yourselves and everyone the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be like shepherds to God's church. It is the flock he bought with the blood of his own Son.”

Good News Translation:

“So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.”

New English Translation:

“Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.”

Revised Standard Version:

“Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.”

The above translations are correct since they correspond with 1John 1:7 where even your KJV ends the verse with “the blood of Jesus Christ his Son” so it was NEVER God’s blood that was shed since he never came to this earth as a man, rather it was his Son’s. Period.

FatherOfJesus:
I ignore him because he doesn’t make sense most times.
I don’t have strength to engage long unending arguments with people with low I.Q.
He will be going back and forth without presenting any substantive evidence for anything. If you do that, I will ignore you as well because there’s no amount of argument you have with a scientifically illiterate person that can make him know science and how to present verifiable and testable evidence.

Oh yes he has always provided substantial evidence—which you ignore because it’s not what you want to hear from those who believe in the Bible.

@bolded, Oh boy! are you such a narcissist. Look, everything does not revolve around you. I, for one am under no obligation of speaking with an obstinate person from the Bible. Matthew 10:11, Acts 13:48

Also, your goal-post shifting techniques really needs to be studied because I saw how you veered right off topic after it was addressed thoroughly.

FatherOfJesus:
not my opinion dude, it’s the opinion from realism.
If the Bible is fact then let’s test whatever is written there in reality.

Isn’t this what MaxInDHouse normally does on your threads and you ignore? If I happen to go that lane, you’d pass it off as just my own interpretation or even air me totally.

FatherOfJesus:
its the fact, Bible doesn’t agree with reality and fact. Always unverifiable claims

Whatever you say is not necessarily a fact but just your own opinion but it seems you’re intent on forcing your opinion on me even though I thoroughly covered the topic of discussion.

FatherOfJesus:
The Bible and everything you posted makes no logical sense.

Your opinion.

Yes. God allows for intelligent beings to choose their path/course in life but the decisions made by such ones can never alter/change his own divine purpose because he can always circumvent matters to fit in to what he desires. Isaiah 46:10

You’re still hammering on this “God is omniscient” issue even though it has been proved to be an unbiblical teaching. A very good example to use is the Flood of Noah’s day(which you claim is a fable but okay)
Ever since mankind fell to sin, generation after generation had seen moral bankruptcy to the extent that God could say that he “regretted that he made men on the earth”. (Genesis 6:6) Tell me how that is possible if God is omniscient? It simply means that it was after Adam’s sin that God fully saw the ripple effects of imperfection since it was not part of his original plans. Genesis 8:21, Ecclesiastes 7:29

The Bible says that the earth was made to be inhabited forever which is part of God’s will. Isaiah 45:18
But did the individual decisions made by those wicked men in Noah’s day disrupt his plan?
I guess you would know the answer to that.

Funny how people build up their dogma from conspiracy theories.

No, Matthew 18:9 does not contain the words “hellfire” but rather the Greek word γέενναν which translates to “Gehenna” in modern English is what does and its meaning is far from what is commonly purported about this so-called “hellfire”. Jesus’ disciples at that time understood the reference because Gehenna was a literal place outside Jerusalem where rubbish was burnt and dead criminals who were unworthy of burials were incinerated so they knew that if one has been judged unworthy of life, he would be utterly destroyed not tormented in literal fire. If you burn something in fire, does it remain there or does it vanish completely? The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were said to have undergone “punishment by everlasting fire” but did they continually suffer after their region was decimated by fire and sulphur(Jude 7) or does it not mean that they do not have any hope of resurrection since they have been judged as wicked? Genesis 18:20

@PeaceJoyLove, are you a man or a woman or a child(perhaps)? I’m asking so I can know how to tender replies to the two long epistles you made above. I’m not here to argue but emotional outbursts are nothing in the face of real facts.

The “internal mechanism” as you call it is not so different from the practical steps that Jesus said his followers should take whenever issues arise amongst us. According to Jesus at Matthew 18:15-17, we should go and privately meet the person who wronged us and try to repair the damages(no matter the offense) and then we should meet the congregation elders if the matter seems very serious. Meaning that there is no mention of taking our brothers and sisters to the court of law to resolve issues because it is shameful on the part of any Jehovah’s Witness to take his brother to court to resolve issues before unrighteous men according to 1Corinthians 6:1-8.

Tycyborg:

“cleanse ourselves from all filthiness[or defilement] of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” —2Corinthians 7:1
And so that implies that we should not contaminate our bodies with harmful substances such as the above which you mentioned since they are lead cause of dreadful disease
I understand what you said and i was replying to your question... i said its not a bad thing if someone smokes but when it is too much more like an hobbie then it is filth just like the bible says... anything we consume into our body has its positives but when it gets too much or its becoming an addiction then it becomes filth... even drugs has amount you should take but when taken too much it becomes drug abuse which is filth to our body.
that my point

Whatever you say is not necessarily a fact but can only be classified as opinion.

Nothing much to see here. Just a man switching to a different line of business.

In the distant past, God usually communicated details about the future to his human servants through visions, dreams and through angelic messengers. Hebrews 1:1
Those revelations had to be in harmony with God’s will and purpose else such a person would be termed a “false prophet” or “false dreamer”. Deuteronomy 13:1-5
That’s why the apostles Paul and John said that all those who want to worship God in spirit and truth must examine & scrutinize all statements they hear in order to know which comes from God and the one that doesn’t harmonize with God’s purpose comes from demons(1Timothy 4:1, 1John 4:1) because Satan can easily masquerade as an angel of light to deceive many. 2Corinthians 11:14

Let me use an example. For years now, I guess you’ve heard so-called “prophets” say that God told them in a dream that so-so politician is God’s chosen to lead a particular nation. Is that in harmony with God’s purpose when God’s chosen King is actually Jesus(Luke 1:31-33) and doesn’t the Bible also say that God doesn’t support any of these human governments instead he has set up his Kingdom/government which will soon destroy all these human governments? Daniel 2:44, Matthew 6:10

That’s just one out of a numerous examples. Bottom-line is, God no longer speaks to anybody today through dreams, visions and angelic messengers because he has spoken through his Son(Hebrews 1:2) and everything we need to know about the present, future and God’s purpose for mankind has already been related to us by Jesus at Matthew 24 & 25 and in the book of Revelations as well as other parts of the Bible. So anybody adding or subtracting to God’s Word by claiming that he still sees dreams or visions is doing himself great harm since everlasting life will never be his portion. Revelation 22:18-19

AllenSpencer:

Hello!
Where is it stated that animals and plants makes you unclean? Your scripture does not over-write what has been earlier quoted.
Talking about nightshade is just baseless. Same nightshade has its own medicinal use in some parts of the world and stop acting like its poison. Everything created by God is good and has its own use.
The scripture made it clear that Marijuana is for human use. That fact, you cannot erase. no matter how hard you try. Its scripturally imprinted. ]

The import of Romans 12:1 and 2Corinthians 7:1 is this: To use our brains(power of reason) to discern that mind-altering substances such as marijuana when misused defile the human body and mental ability so it should be avoided at all costs if we want God to accept our worship.

Instead of quoting & requoting Scriptures out of context, can you disprove what has been said above? No.

I never said the Nightshade plant was useless. For God to create it, means it has a purpose such as medicine for stomach irritation not that it should be consumed directly just as marijuana can be used for medicinal purposes but smoking it is completely harmful to one’s health.

So the ones who died suddenly lost God’s favour or what? This is what happens when people reason like Babylonians and nothing more.

AllenSpencer:
You don't have scriptural answers
Personal opinion you are using to debate.
Prove my scriptures wrong in English. Mine is clearly printed out there.

What does personal opinion have to do with willfully destroying one’s body? One who smokes willfully defiles his own body with toxins is therefore unclean and filthy, something that the Bible speaks against(Romans 12:1, 2Corinthians 7:1) and the one who’s unclean WILL NEVER inherit God’s Kingdom. Ephesians 5:5
Is that what you want to hear? Because I mentioned this earlier on the FP but nobody could disprove instead it was bringing up excuses here and there. Please, sir, if every plant is for consumption, can you go and chew the fruit of the Nightshade plant? Why are you dodging this?

scarr:
Do you know that chocolate is harmful to the human body?
Do you also know that some of our regular food intake are harmful to the body?
So where is the line drawn in the dangers of taking marijuana and that of taking chocolate.
Before I leave, do you drive a car? Are you not contaminating yourself and others from the use of your car by the emission it produces?

I asked your friend to try an experiment for me but since he’s been dodging it. Can you please go and chew the fruit of a Nightshade plant? Since everything is now for human consumption?

Can you explain the reason why your generators which you start-up outside your house doesn’t do much damage to ANYONE as when you start it up and leave it in your room? Or is it that the generator doesn’t give off carbon monoxide outside the home but does indoors? When you find the answer to that, then you’ll have answered the question yourself.

Vabasi:
You are indeed a prophet of doom.

Sorry what are you talking about?

AllenSpencer:
You did not quote any scripture in all you have said, You talking out of personal opinion.
3 scriptures and you cannot even shoot down one! Note, this are the words of God, so you should know how you contradict it.
Man can choose anything out of the whole varieties. What is poisonous to you is edible or relevant to another man. The fact is that, it is all valid and non is a sin.
NON IS A SIN
THE BIBLE NEVER MENTIONED SPECIFIC PLANTS. IT SAID "ALL" and "EVERYTHING"
#FACT

You’re quoting Scriptures willy-nilly out of context so it’s just some lifeless argument you’re trying to put up. Those Scriptures are talking about edibles but since you disagree can you please carry on with eating the Nightshade fruit I asked you to do earlier on?

DappaD:

Funny how you quoted this on the FP and received many sympathizers and you still reposted but I don’t think any of them, including you have actually opened their Bible and studied it? The Scriptures simply emphasize the importance of not placing undue restrictions on food[EDIBLES] so I don’t see how it supports the picture you’re trying to paint.


Your logic doesn’t even fly because yes God created all the plants and each have their own purpose but there are a great number of poisonous plants that humans should not think of consuming, if you think I’m joking go and chew the leaves/fruits of the deadly Nightshade and let me see if you’ll live to continue quoting the above Scriptures out of context.

AllenSpencer:
And this are his words. Quoted!
Genesis 1:29
And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.
Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
1 Timothy 4:4-6
For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed.

Funny how you quoted this on the FP and received many sympathizers and you still reposted but I don’t think any of them, including you have actually opened their Bible and studied it? The Scriptures simply emphasize the importance of not placing undue restrictions on food so I don’t see how it supports the picture you’re trying to paint.

Your logic doesn’t even fly because yes God created all the plants and each have their own purpose but there are a great number of poisonous plants that humans should not think of consuming, if you think I’m joking go and chew the leaves/fruits of the deadly Nightshade and let me see if you’ll live to continue quoting the above Scriptures out of context.

essenjack:

Here's the op,
I went into deeper research i later got a satisfactory response.
The preacher highlight many portions; but i'll refer you to just one Romans 14 verse 1-3.
At the end please let love lead.thank You.

Excuse me, how does the above Scripture give impetus to or condones smoking in any way? I’d like you to explain because for one who alleges that I quote Scriptures out of context, you really are doing a darn good job at doing just that.