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Zzor:

Wao,i'm happy to be back here where I truly belong, now let's share knowledge.Suffering is everywhere and inevitable.Even around our homes we can see families who can't afford more than one meal a day,students pushed to their limits,workers put out of jobs,elderly one's abandoned by family members,workers exploited by employers.Suffering is also a key theme in the bible as we have many instances where God allows it and was even involved in suffering:God giving satan the permission to inflict Job(Job 1.8-12),Joseph's difficult times in Egypt,Jesus suffering on the cross and persecution of early christians(2Corinthians 1:6-7).Scripture made us believe that some people suffer because of divine punishment,some for their faith and some to save others.Today the suffering we see around us may be due to one of the above reasons but there may be other reasons unknown to us.The Bible told us about God's goodness and love and that God is loving and good and we can remain strong in our hope in Him through such times,even when we do not have answers to Suffering.Now my curiosity is that,we believe Jesus died for our sins and I also testify to the goodness of almighty God, but why do some devoted and faithful Christians still suffer so much despite their prayers and cries to God? Some even died in the suffering,what perfect explanations can be given to this?Knowledgeable people of God should please come in and quench my curiosity.Thanks

Well, Jesus never promised his disciples would live a trouble-free life. It was why he said “whoever wants to follow me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake”—Matthew 16:24, making it known to them that they would experience suffering, public disgrace, torture and even death because of being disciples of Jesus.
In fact, because of being disciples of Jesus, they would face several trials and persecutions, (Matthew 5:10-12) governmental authorities would charge them to courts and imprison them. (Matthew 10:17-18, 23:34, Luke 21:12), their close family relatives would become their worst enemies (Matthew 10:21, 32-40) and adding to all their problems, the whole world would hate them because of their neutral stand. (Matthew 10:22, John 15:19-20)

In times past, it was necessary for God's servants to face trials.
Just like the affliction of Job was to prove that imperfect humans can maintain their integrity and remain loyal to Jehovah even when under difficult trials—nullifying Satan's claims that humans were selfish.(Job 1:10-11, 2:4-5)
So it is the same today, if faithful Christians are to endure the trials and tribulations they face, they would “provide a reply to the one[Satan] taunting [them]”—Proverbs 27:11, thereby silencing Satan who claimed that humans only served God because of what they could get from him.
We can endure these trials when we rely on Jehovah God(Psalm 37:5), draw close to him in prayer(Philippians 4:6-7, James 4:8 ), ask for his holy spirit to overcome tribulations(Luke 11:13, 2Corinthians 4:7) and meditate on the hope for a better future(Revelation 21:3-4)

The Bible further says that it is only those[faithful Christians] who do the will of God and endure til the end that will be saved and have everlasting life—Matthew 24:13, 1John 2:17
If we're to lose our lives as a result of serving Jehovah God, we would be assured of a better life in the future by means of the resurrection. (Matthew 16:25)
So whatever Satan may do is temporary, because he can only harm or kill our body—but who we truly are inside(Matthew 10:28) is preserved for the time when Jehovah God would call on the dead ones and resurrect them back to life. (Job 14:14, Isaiah 26:19, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15)

sagieramos:

You've not be able understand the basics teachings of other simpler part of the scriptures that was written literally, it's revelation that is written in signs (rev 1:1) you're trying to decipher.

At bolded, the same revelation gave us the interpretation of lake of fire, it means second death according to rev 21:8

The guy is just a con artist.
Just ask him whether death and Hades(hell) that will be thrown into the same lake of fire will literally suffer torment forever and watch him rush to give another meaning to it. (Revelation 20:14)

Emusan:


I've provided every evidences that:
1. UN doesn't require any registration before anyone make use of her libraries
2. UN didn't make any change to her charter
So the LETTER sent by WTBTS to congregation and The UK Guidance claiming UN demanded for registration before using her libraries and changes in her charter that led to withdrawal of registration is a lie.
Now, since you agreed that WTBTS applied for the usage of the UN library, it's you who need to provide the APPLICATION so that we can see the content.

Okay so I won't keep replying to you anymore.
Have fun with your scavenger hunt.

MaxInDHouse:


But you believe the book is contradictory nah!
So how on earth do you expect people making use of such a book to come solve problems in the human society?
What about those who believe in the Qur'an (your preferred book of wisdom) ?
Guy, your hypocrisy is extraordinary!

Oh?
I didn't know that he had no regard for the Bible else I wouldn't be speaking like I did.

But he's sha funny
Since he doesn't respect the Bible, why then is he trying to use the same Bible to push forward his own selfish agenda?

Myer:

Now you're contradicting AkinwaleJJ one of your JW members who believes God has no interest in earth but only heaven according to your doctrine.

I'm sure you didn't fully understand AkinwaleJJ's post, as he in no way contradicted what I said.

My argument was simply that the world would be a better place if true Christian went into politics unlike the popular misdoctrination that politics is not for Christian's.
According to the Lord's prayer, God's kingdom is to be established on earth as it is in heaven. For that to happen I believe God won't come down to do that but it will be achieved through people.
How then can it be achieved if Chrostians being instructed to shun politics where the power to influence nations lies?
Taking precedence from Jospeh, Daniel, David, Paul etc who dabbled into Politics.

Mr Mye.r I thought we've been over this before.

We agreed that you're free to hold on to your own opinion but just know that what you're saying now has no basis in the Bible and as such JW's(true Christians) will not listen to you because it makes no sense to us at all!

You can go and meet your regular churchgoers with that idea because it will seem appealing to them—but just know that JW's(true Christians) will have nothing to do with politics because we stand for God's Kingdom which is not of human origin. (Daniel 2:44, John 18:36)

Emusan:


I wonder ooo
You can see how he was struggling indeed!
Till now, I'm still waiting for him to provide just a document where UN makes registration compulsory for gaining access into any of her libraries.
Someone who wants to educate me, first agreed WTBTS registration with UN but when UN T&C's change WTBTS back out.
Now he's asking me to provide WRITING AGREEMENT between the two parties!

So you've not been able to provide any reasonable evidence so far?
Ok oo case closed.

Myer

Well, you do have a point, a lot of churches rather preach prosperity which is just an aspect of the heavenly kingdom.

But some still preach the heavenly kingdom even though they focus more on prosperity.

Ok
God's Kingdom is also called “Kingdom of the heavens” because Jehovah God established it in heaven(Daniel 2:44)
From in-depth study of the Bible, it's not all righteous persons who will go to heaven. It is only a select few, the “little flock” of 144,000 anointed Christians.(Luke 12:32, Revelation 7:4-8, 14:1-4)
The idea of everyone going to heaven to just a funny and absurd idea because God made the earth for humans(Psalm 115:16) and that his decision for obedient humans to inhabit the earth will never change. (Psalm 37:29, Isaiah 45:18)

God's Kingdom under the rulership of Jesus and the 144,000, is to rule over the earth to remove all wickedness and make the earth into a paradise it once was before.(Revelation 5:9-10, 21:3-4)
That is what JW's have been preaching all along.

rottennaija:

The context of Mt 22:37 in itself exposes your false comparison. In Mt 22:37, was Jesus quoting a text in response to the question. The place clearly says "the Lord your God". It's clear from the context Jesus was referring to another, not himself. So what you said clearly lacks knowledge. This is Jesus responding to a question, quoting a scripture.

Yes, the Tetragrammaton is not used. Lord is not all cap. But its clearly written there Lord your God. Besides, this is Jesus responding to a question about the law, quoting from the OT.

This is not the same with Ro 10. Context my friend. Learn context. Don't be shooting yourself in the leg. This is a public forum, you are disgracing yourself.

No no, I drew that comparison through your own faulty logic. That, which you will see below.

Since when is rot.tennaija interested in context?
Nothing concern context here again.

About your analogy, this is what you said with your own mouth on nairaland earlier today

rottennaija:

@bolded. Obviously, I am unaware of it. But if you say you are what you are, with advance age and the ability to stay in technology, I admire you and I really respect that. I'm a young man. In my early 30s.
From your response, it's obvious you didn't read the screenshot. It would have saved me the stress of having to explain many things. But I'll try to keep it simple.


Here is KJV (meanwhile, I'm not limited to it)
Joel 2:32 Then whoever calls on the name of the LORD will be saved. Those who escape will be on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem. Among the survivors will be those whom the LORD calls, as the LORD has promised.

Did you see the LORD? All caps?

Here is Ro 10:13, still KJV
Romans 10:13 So then, "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Did you see the Lord? Not all caps.
So what are you saying? the name Jesus not the name Jehovah gave so that all who call his name should get save?

From the above, your petty little comparison was that, when kyrios appeared in lower caps, it was referring to Jesus, so where did you see Lord all caps in Matthew 22:37?
Is the Lord in Matthew 22:37 Jehovah or Jesus?
Abi you wan deny wetin you use your own mouth talk?

Myer:

If you paid attention, you'd know I addressed it.
Every church has evangelists who do that work.
I believe more people know of the Catholic church, Redeemed church, Winners church and even White garment churches than Jehovah's witness.
What makes JW popular is simply your extremism. Which is why you have a lot of cases in countries like Russia and others.
Thank God your doctrine doesn't include killing to defend God. You would have been worse than islamic terrorists.
I only enjoy reading your journals because of the research that goes into it. But your doctrines are more Jewish than Christian.

My concern is not about your opinion you have of JW's or whether other churches preach or not. After all preaching simply means declaring a message.
My concern is...

...which other religious groups preach the good news of God's Kingdom extensively?

So I'm more concerned in the content not the activity.

Emusan

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The undeniable truth is that WTBTS registered as NGO under DPI of UN and to be an NGO you must fill this form
[img]https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p1.jpg[/img...
[img]https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p2.jpg[/img...
[img]https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p3.jpg[/img...
[img]https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p4.jpg[/img...
And at the top of this form was written: "provide us with proof of your organizations non-profit status and with an annual report on is activities related to United Nations."

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The tasks you're still running away from are:
1. Provide us with your reliable sources that UN required registration before using any of their libraries.
2. Provide us with your reliable sources that UN made changes to their Charter that leads to WTBTS withdrawal of their registration.
3. Who brought into the attention of WTBTS the change in UN T&C's as you early claimed.
At least I've provided documents directly from UN that show no registration is required for the usage of any of their libraries and no changes were done to their charter. Likewise, the article published in 2001 by "The UK Guidance" that exposed the double standard of WTBTS, which is even the reason WTBTS wrote a personal letter to "The UK Guidance"
In all these, you haven't provided a single document to counter the apostates rather than ranting up and down.[/s]

Let's keep going around in circles.

DappaD:

Just show a written agreement signed by both parties that says the WTBTS supported the UN, let's end the argument.


Once you cannot provide a written and signed document of the WTBTS having ties/alliances with the UN, your exercise is rendered fruitless.

rottennaija:
Did Paul say, it is written in Ro 10:13? Did he say, for the scriptures says? Or it was written by Joel the prophet? Check below all the relevant scriptures and see clearly where Paul quotes the OT and where he did not.
Also, see where Peter quoted the prophecy of Joel in Acts 2:16 - 22. See below.
You see the difference? And no, NWT is not the ideal translation to any Bible student. In fact, is a very bias one.
Now, let consider some other evidence. Obviously, you have thrown shades at KJV as the culprit. But is that really so? How about other hundreds of translation out there? I hope you remember kingdom interlinear? Here is a screenshot (below) of the Ro 10:13. The expression used in verse 13 is “Lord” (Greek, kyrios), not the Tetragrammaton. So, you don't put the blame of KJV. It was what inspired to be written.

If we're to follow your own analogy—then that means because the Tetragrammaton doesn't appear at Matthew 22:37(in the copied Greek texts), we'll say it wasn't referring to Jehovah, even when Jesus quoted directly from Deuteronomy 6:5?
So who is the Lord at Matthew 22:37 rendered in the KJV Bible?(note that you said all caps is Jehovah and small caps is Jesus)
So is it Jehovah or Jesus at Matthew 22:37? Or will you keep twisting the scriptures to suit your agenda?

Myer:


There you go again, speaking out of ignorance (no offense intended).
Have you ever stepped into any other church besides your JW org?
How many churches have you gone that don't have evangelists?
You simply listen to what your leaders feed you without searching for yourself and end up recycling the same lies.
You can't just focus on the commission without focusing on the whole. With the commission comes healing prophelying, etc.
But since they could neither perform healing nor prophesy, your leaders decided all these gifts have been done away with. Come on, how convenient is that?

Doesn't address my question.

DappaD:
Apart from Jehovah's Witnesses, which other religious groups preach the good news of God's Kingdom extensively?

Investnow2017:

This was how Pharoah and Herod, enemies of God celebrated their birthdays and shed blood. Why would a man of God have anything to do with birthday celebration after reading the warning accounts in the Bible, Genesis 40:20-22; Matthew 14:6-13. This alone is a sign that this man is not a man of God as he professes, but a false prophet, and an enemy of God like Pharoah and Herod. No true servant of God celebrated their birthdays in the Bible because they know according to what God's word says that "the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth". Ecclesiastes 7:1. That was why Jesus commanded his disciples to celebrate, not his birthday, but his death, Luke 22:19-20.
No true Christian has business with birthday celebration.

Let me also add my 2cents.

Together with the fact that NONE as in not even ONE of God's people celebrated their birthdays.

Amongst all the festivals God commanded the Israelites to observe, there was no provision for birthdays.
So it's evident the celebration of one's birth originated with the nations.

It is also important to note that God told the Israelites not to adopt any of the practices of the surrounding nations. (Leviticus 18:30, Deut 18:9)

Myer:


The Bible is that which was perfect that was to come?
Lool did it say perfect knowledge?
Where do you even get these your ideas from?
The answer was right there in the same verse, that which was perfect which was to come is Love not the bible.
And even the Love is yet to be perfect.

For now we should focus only on the task/commission Jesus gave to his disciples.
Apart from Jehovah's Witnesses, which other religious groups preach the good news of God's Kingdom extensively?

Myer:

Those were Apostles not all the disciples sir.
They did not do it because it was a condition for heaven. They did it cos it was the work committed directly into their hands by Jesus himself.
That's why Jesus asked Peter personally and not even the others to Feed his sheep.


You can't make a doctrine out of a personal instruction to an apostle.

Of course it's not everybody who has been assigned the task to feed God's sheep.
Jesus appointed a “faithful and discreet slave” to provide spiritual food to his domestics(his congregation).
Today, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are truly fulfilling that assignment by providing spiritual food to all congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses through the help of Jehovah and Jesus.

Myer:

Lol And the Holyspirit personally told you that he has done away with it?
Who decided that which is perfect has come? (1 Corinthians 13:8 ).
Where then is the perfection if you can share?
Or it just sounds more convenient since your leaders could not prophecy or perform any healing. So they gave the verse their own interpretation.

The Bible is that perfect knowledge.
With the Bible complete, there is NO need for prophecy since everything we need to know about the future is recorded in it.
The other miraculous gifts of the spirit—healing, tongues, interpretations served their purpose in the first century.
Then, the Christian congregation was still at infancy, so they needed the miraculous gifts of holy spirit to advance to maturity.

So, the gifts of holy spirit were to become ineffective in the first century, but the qualities to remain amongst the Christians were faith, hope and love.(1Corinthians 13:13)
That's even why apostle Paul wrote to Timothy to drink alcohol to cure his ailments. (1Timothy 5:23)

The most important work Jesus gave to his disciples was preaching and teaching about the good news of God's Kingdom. (Matthew 24:14, 28:19,20; Mark 13:10, Acts 1:8 )
So it is very evident that God's holy spirit is working in that only group carrying out this task—Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jehovah has given some measure of his holy spirit to his people to bear witness concerning the truth and to cultivate fruits of the spirit.(Galatians 5:22-23)


Your pastors and churchgoer friends who would always castigate JW's for incessantly preaching about God's Kingdom are more concerned with powerful works.
Jesus knew that in the last days, that is, our time, people would perform many powerful signs and wonders, even prophesying, casting out demons and healing the sick—and that they would ascribe it to the name of Jesus, but he[Jesus] since it didn't originate with God's holy spirit, would deny them flat by saying “Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!”—Matthew 7:22-23, 24:11,24)

sagieramos:

Guy no dey believe everything you hear

Ahhh
That one na lost cause o

Emusan:

[s]our plot to divert attention from the main point won't succeed.
Another childish act begins, says the person who joined Nairaland not up to 4 months but already have more than 1,000 posts.
1. I've provided the form everybody who became an associate member of UN NGO filled
2. WTBTS made used of UN airplanes several times!
Unreliable yet you haven't produced your own reliable info.
I ask you:
1. Where is the evidence that registration is required to make use of any UN libraries as WTBTS claimed in the letter?
2. Where is the evidence that UN charter for support was AMENDED that leads to the withdrawal of WTBTS registration?
You can't provide any just because there is none.
Yet the so called apostates furnished you with the documents from UN that no registration was required and no change to their Charter.
And you're still in self denial.
Just tell us WTBTS didn't fill any form before becoming associate member.
Only a self denial and deluded person will think there's no agreement before WTBTS can make use of UN airplanes.
So the milk of the nations that Jehovah servants will drink is that of the WILD BEAST of revelation. Kudos!
Your lying liar organization started singing the praises of the UN when it became associate member and started benefiting from the UN, that is why the calling of UN the WILD BEAST of revelation suddenly reduced in 90's
Can you provide from your reliable sources, where UN demanded registration for the use of her libraries?
Can you provide from your reliable sources, where UN made changes to her charter of support?
The key points here are:
1. No registration was required by UN from anybody before making use of UN libraries
2. UN never made any changes to her charter.
In a nutshell, WTBTS lied in that letter and most importantly you're affected by that lies to have also said it was brought to their attention when in reality it was when an article from "The UK GUIDANCE" that exposed their dubious act which made a watchtower spokesman from Portugal spoke on radio interview and two days later, WTBTS withdrew her membership. [/s]

Nawao I didn't ask all these.
You were given one simple task.

DappaD:

Just show a written agreement signed by both parties that says the WTBTS supported the UN, let's end the argument.


Once you cannot provide a written and signed document of the WTBTS having ties/alliances with the UN, your exercise is rendered fruitless.

Myer:
Can you explain why the 5 fold ministries were distinguished then? Some Evangelists, Pastors, Prophets, Teachers and Apostles.
Are you operating in all 5 ministries? If not, why do you expect everyone to be evangelists?

From we can draw from Ephesians 4:8,11-12, when Christ ascended to heaven, the holy spirit came upon his disciples and assigned
some of them prophets, some apostles, some evangelizers, some shepherds and some teachers. All of them in one way or another preached about the good news of God's Kingdom and built up the Christian congregation.
There were territories where the good news hadn't been preached yet, so the evanglizers were assigned to preach and teach extensively in those areas and when new disciples were made, the shepherds(the elders) and the teachers took over from there to guide such ones to spiritual maturity.
It's just the usual “Paul planted, Apollos watered” mechanism.—1Corinthians 3:6
That's to show that all of Jesus' disciples are to PREACH and TEACH. (Matthew 28:19,20)
Today, holy spirit no longer appoints Christian men to be prophets because those roles and gifts were done away after the first century. [1Corinthians 13:8]

Emusan:

Tactics to deviate from the key point.

So you admit Jehovah's Witnesses give you sleepless nights, hmm?

Smile....OLD BELIEFS HAD TO BE ABOLISHED
By who?
So they died without knowing the TRUTH...Jehovah witness 7 wonders

The Christians in the first century who discarded the law of Moses nkor?
All those who died before Jesus' time, are they all condemned or will they be resurrected to learn the truth? (Acts 24:15)
Oga Emus.an, change is constant. (Proverbs 4:18 )
You either go with the flow or you find your way out.

So despite the fact that Jesus started teaching Russell's and his pagan team as at 1914 they still hold on to wrong teaching.

Russell this Russell that. Boy are you a hard nut to crack.
Please look for something new to cry about.

because history is so important which is the reason you still believe in 1914 hoax, it's either Russell and his team were correct for all what they taught and died in and today's witnesses are wrong OR Russell was wrong which then makes date 1914 false and today's witnesses are correct.

For your information and we'll continue sounding it, Jesus Christ became King in 1914 and ousted Satan from heaven!(Revelation 12:7-10)
That will never change!

Did WTBTS support the creation of UN?
The answer is YESNO!

Leave too much talk.
Just show a written agreement signed by both parties that says the WTBTS supported the UN let's end the argument.

You're the most dishonest person here after facts are presented to you and you're still denying them.

No be only dishonest.
You who is picking up unreliable info from apostate sources and passing them off as legit info is now the honest person abi?

It means the teachings then are just pure human philosophy as in guessing works which turned out to be false.

Wetin concern JW's and the opinion of Emusa.n?
Jehovah's Witnesses choose to have their own opinions from the Bible regards who God and Jesus are, style of worship etc
But Emu.san is angry because this set of people choose to exercise their own free will?

The random information has many things to do with WTBTS lies:
1. It provides undeniable fact that UN LIBRARIES don't require ANY REGISTRATION before public can make use them. which WTBTS lied that, that was the reason to associate with UN.
2. That there's no single CHANGE to UN carter which makes WTBTS to withdraw their registration.
In line of this, WTBTS provided HALF TRUTH(LIES) to their members

But you've not been able to provide a written and signed document of the supposed alliance WTBTS had with the UN?
Please careful before you hurt yourself one day because of JWs

The quote is to show how WTBTS begins to speak good of UN, it was boldly written by me.

Now, are you being completely honest, ehn Emusa.n?
For a start, the topic of that particular page is “Fifty Years of Frustrated Efforts” exposing the UN to be ineffective in all they've claimed to achieve. Please go and read it for yourself before you arrive at baseless conclusions.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1995720

Many NEW THINGS to see
I don't know the reason why the attached chats didn't display.

You don't mean it.
Maybe you'll accuse JWs of having something to do with it too, since it's your usual hobby?

The chat shows that "Between 1990 and 2010, there has been a significant reduction in references to the United Nations in the Watchtower magazine.
Even more noticeable is the reduction in the number of times the United Nations is referred along with the term "wild beast" in the Watchtower."

Oh wow, I didn't know that we're supposed to be keeping record of the number of times the UN is designated as being the scarlet-coloured wild beast in the Watchtower mags.

But they made use of UN airplanes, how do you think that is possible without any support from WTBTS?

Jehovah God said his servants “will actually drink the milk of nations”—Isaiah 60:16
So don't bother yourself ehn, it had already been foretold that JWs(Gods people) will make use of the world's resources and technology to advance pure worship.

I've showed you from horse mouth itself where WTBTS commended the usage of UN, only a clo.wn will think such will come without allegiance.
Truly, dishonesty runs in your blood.

So if I speak good about somebody, it suddenly means I share and support the person's ideologies?
Wow, just wow!

Honest people reading my post know the reason of attaching the letter:
1. That WTBTS boldly lied to world that registration is required to have access to UN libraries which is the reason of attaching the UN response that clarified that no registration is required.
2. WTBTS lied again in the same letter that changing in UN support forced them to withdraw their membership, which I also provided evidence from UN that nothing has changed from their carter.
3. As you early lied that it was brought to WTBTS attention that UN T&C's have changed is the reason for the withdrawal, the LETTER sent to the "The UK Guidance" confirmed that, it was article written in 2001 that exposed them not because of T&C's.
All these three points are enough to show you and your organization are chronic liars.

Lol. Somebody like you who has dedicated his life to malign Jehovah and his organization—what will honest people want to read from your post again?
Won't they see how desperate you're being?

They are many just wait.
Stop lying about the UN libraries I've debunked that lies.
The Jehovah's witness representation from Portugal says it all.

If you like, quote from all the unreliable sources there are in the world.
Once you cannot provide a written and signed document of the WTBTS having ties/alliances with the UN, your exercise is rendered fruitless.

Only a dishonest person and a slave of 8 men in USA like you won't see the undeniable evidences here.

No wahala. At least the people reading this can identify me as a Jehovah's Witness. But who can they identify E.musan as?
Do you have an origin anywhere?
Pathetic

Dull head, he couldn't answer the simple question!

Ehn now.
When you know your aim wasn't achieved, the next thing is to resort to childish insults.
Perhaps I'm conversing with a 20-year old child.

Myer:
Neither is evangelism. Which is exactly the point rottennaija was stressing.

Oh wow.
So why is that Jesus' parting words to all his disciples was the commission to always be preaching and teaching about all he commanded them? (Matthew 28:19,20; Acts 1:8 )

Sir, Jehovah God was likened to a cultivator and Jesus likened himself to a vine.—John 15:1
His disciples were to be branches.
Jehovah God(the cultivator) will take away from the vine(Jesus), any branch(any disciple) not “bearing fruit”(preaching the goodnews of God's Kingdom).(John 15:2,8 )
The activity that denotes the bearing of this fruit is the preaching of the goodnews of God's Kingdom. (Matthew 24:14)
Granted, life everlasting will not result from any amount of works because it's a gift given to all Jesus' disciples through the undeserved kindness of God(Romans 6:23) BUT saying that you will not contribute to the preaching work one way or another is just plain arrogance because you must speak to somebody and invite such one to come and partake of this wonderful gift of everlasting life.
Otherwise, when you prove that you have no regard for this gift, Jehovah God, the cultivator, will remove or take away such ones from the vine, which is Jesus Christ, the head of the congregation.(Ephesians 5:23, Colossians 1:18)

So Mr M.yer, if one professes to love Jehovah God and Jesus, he will do ALL he is commanded to do. (John 15:10, 1John 5:3)

Emusan:

[s]I love the you address this issue in which you've shot yourself in the foot but trust me you'll still be defending your LYING organization.
Sorry, I used that word LYING because it's what I derived from your own post which are:
1. That Apostates and those who are attacking JWs are SPREADING HALF TRUTH
2. Anyone having the “power of reason” (Romans 12:1) will examine all the facts without rushing to conclusion over what he knows little about.
Which you didn't do but you want others to do it.
Actually, we who have power of reasoning have examined ALL THE FACTS but we realized that it was WTBTS that is SPREADING HALF TRUTH to cover their involvement with the UN and that WTBTS members lack power of reasoning (Romans 12:1) to examine the lies of cover up by WTBTS as I will expound below.
Thanks for the enlightenment but the question is; are you ready to use your power of reasoning to get educated too about this issue?
This is a pure lie, that means you don't read about your organization history. Shortly after the establishment of the UN, WTBTS praised the formation:[/s]

So it's Jehovah's Witnesses that's giving you sleepless nights abi?
Everyone can tell how you restless you are being right now lol.
So while others were enjoying their night, your own head was aching you because of JW's?
No wahala.

"We cannot but admire the high principles embodied in the League of Nations... Truly this is idealistic, and approximates in a small way that which God has foretold that he will bring about after this great time of trouble." Watch Tower 1919 Feb 15 p.51
This is an evidence that WTBTS is in support of such idea.

Nothing new to see here. The Bible students then were still rediscovering the truth from the Bible.
Just like how they celebrated Christmas and believed Jesus died on a cross. In time, the truth became clear regarding all these things. And old beliefs had to be abolished.
Can you show for me in any publication from 1931(when God's people adopted the name “Jehovah's Witnesses”) til now that holds on to the belief that League of Nations was to be God's instrument?
I thought we've gone past this stage of you digging out history and forcing it down other's throats—even when JW's will repeatedly tell you that all that was the former understanding.

“From September 18 to 20, 1942 , at the height of World War II, Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States held their New World Theocratic Assembly. The key city, Cleveland, Ohio, was tied in by telephone with more than 50 other convention cities, for a peak attendance of 129,699. Where wartime conditions permitted, other conventions repeated the program around the world. At the time, many of Jehovah’s people expected that the war would escalate into God’s war of Armageddon; hence the title of the public talk, “Peace​—Can It Last?,” aroused much curiosity. How could the new president of the Watch Tower Society, N. H. Knorr, presume to talk about peace when the very opposite seemed to be in store for the nations? The reason was that the John class was paying “more than the usual attention” to God’s prophetic Word.​—Hebrews 2:1; 2 Peter 1:19. What light did the talk “Peace​—Can It Last?” throw on the prophecy? Clearly identifying the scarlet-colored wild beast of Revelation 17:3 as the League of Nations, N. H. Knorr went on to discuss its stormy career on the basis of the angel’s following words to John: “The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction.”​—Revelation 17:8a.
“The wild beast . . . was.” Yes, it had existed as the League of Nations from January 10, 1920, onward, with 63 nations participating at one time or another. But, in turn, Japan, Germany, and Italy withdrew, and the former Soviet Union was dropped from the League. In September 1939 the Nazi dictator of Germany launched World War II.
Having failed to keep peace in the world, the League of Nations virtually plunged into an abyss of inactivity. By 1942 it had become a has-been. Neither before this nor at some later date​—but right at that critical time—​did Jehovah interpret to his people the full depth of meaning of the vision! At the New World Theocratic Assembly, N. H. Knorr could declare, in line with the prophecy, that “the wild beast is not.” He then asked the question, “Will the League remain in the pit?” Quoting Revelation 17:8, he answered: “The association of worldly nations will rise again.” That is just how it proved to be​—in vindication of Jehovah’s prophetic Word!” —Revelation Climax, Chapter 34 “An Awesome Mystery Solved”

You will have to be honest with yourself at one point in your life. Lies and twisting the truth won't save you.
So from 1942 onward, what has been the new understanding amongst JW's in line with God's word? Do they still cling to the belief the Bible students once had in 1919? Or have they moved on?
Emu.san, I tell you, that it takes humility to admit past mistakes and move on.
Something you might need to emulate.

This is where your lying liar organization provided HALF TRUTH to you people:
Firstly, getting access into UN library doesn't require any registrations not to talk of becoming AN ASSOCIATE NGO member.
"Since 1946, the Dag Hammarskjold Library of the United Nations Secretariat in New York has arranged for the distribution of United Nations documents and publications to users around the world through its depository library system. At present, there are more than 400 depository libraries in over 140 countries maintaining United Nations material from the date of designation as depository to the present. The general public can consult the material free of charge at any depository library." www.un.org/Depts/dhl/deplib/deplibsystem.htm
Since 1946 UN libraries of over 400 in 140 countries have been access free till today, where does WTBTS got the information that a registration is needed to access the library?
Secondly, as said shortly after the double standard of WTBTS was exposed by "Guidance Article" in 2001 a WT spokesman in Portugal said:
"Registration as a Non Governmental Organisation was only done because you can give humanitarian aid and protect human rights in various countries around the world," says the PUBLIC Pedro Candeias, spokesman for the Association of Jehovah's Witnesses in Portugal. In Portugal, however, a relaxation of registration is not yet known officially by the AJW, which represents nearly 50,000 believers.
The official says the religious group to which he belongs has had an "important role" in helping the populations of countries like Angola, Bosnia, Georgia, Rwanda and other African or Latin American. "Reaching out to these countries was complicated and therefore it was necessary to register" the WTBTS in the United Nations. But this registry, he says, did not compromise the Jehovah's Witnesses to "any political involvement" with the UN." (web.archive.org as of 24 June 2010 - translated with the assistance of Google Translate)
It's evident that WTBTS didn't apply because of the use it the library.
Thirdly, WTBTS so aware of this statement The opening paragraph of the 1991 application form, which the Watchtower was required to submit, contains an instruction to provide information yearly to the United Nations. It states;
" provide us with proof of your organizations non-profit status and with an annual report on its activities related to United Nations."
https://jwfacts.com/images/un-1991-application-p1.jpg
Fourthly, Watchtower was an associated NGO and to become associated required the Watchtower to accept the following:
1. that the NGO share the ideals of the UN Charter
2. have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach target or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;
3. have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programs about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting cooperation of the media.
Lastly, It was somewhat surprising when in the 1990s a number of complimentary articles were written praising the work of the United Nations.

Lol. What does all this random information have to do with anything? Perhaps you thought when posting all of this, you'd gain some kind of cred lmao. Or whether I'll be overwhelmed by such irrelevant information. You can see how mistaken you've been this whole time.

One such of the article is where it was boldly written "WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED..." Watchtower 1995 Oct 1 pg 3,7

Why not complete the statement there na? Or are you scared it will reveal that the statement was quoted and that you'll be exposed as dishonest?

This is the complete statement:
“WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, . . .”​—
Preamble to the charter of the United Nations

So can you see the statement was quoted and has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses?
At least those reading this know who's being double-tongued here.

In 1998, the Awake! discussed the topic of Human Rights, dedicating a number of pages to the United Nations.

Like all the general info you see in other Awake mags. Nothing new to see here.

https://jwfacts.com/images/awake-1998-nov-22-p5-un.jpg
The United Nations website referenced this Awake! at www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm, giving good reason to believe it was one of the articles the Watchtower sent to the United Nations as part of its annual reporting requirement.
https://jwfacts.com/images/un-awake-article-link-waybackmachine.jpg
Can you provide us with UN T&C's before WTBTS became an associate and UN T&C's after they withdrew their registration?
The truth is no T&C's has been changed and it wasn't brought to the Society attention rather In 2001, the UK Guardian ran the introductory article that brought to light the Watchtower involvement with the United Nations, resulting in shock amongst many Jehovah's Witness. Two days later, the Watchtower Society indicated its guilt by withdrawing its UN membership.
It was the UK GUIDANCE article that exposed the double standard of Watchtower not about T&C's.
Let's see this NEW T&C's first, so that we can compare it with the old one before WTBTS became associate.
They will never compromise, you said above that they only became associate in other to use the library yet Watchtower Society makes use of UN airplane to provide aids to different countries. How come?
In the 1997 booklet Mission to Africa (Click for PDF download), Watchtower discusses how they took advantage of United Nations airplanes to distribute aid to Jehovah's Witnesses in the region. Page nine notes:
"The best form of travel, if not the only one, is the airplane. Often we used the H.C.R.'s (United Nations High Commission for Refugees) planes." Mission to Africa p.9
When it is evident that it's WTBTS that left out vital information in other to continue to cage people like you and the said apostates and critics of Watchtower society are the ones who provided full details and truth.

Lol. All this noise and you can't point to one single source that says Jehovah's Witnesses were supporting the UN. Lol
Posting irrelevant info thinking it would give you some kind of cred. You're clearly mistaken lol.
Just show us any document where WTBTS pledged allegiance to the UN and cut the c.rap

This was the letter sent to all congregations
https://jwfacts.com/images/UNeldersletter.jpg
The same letter was sent to the "The UK Guidance"
https://jwfacts.com/images/UNWTpressletter.jpg

So after gallivanting around the whole place, you arrive at the letters that counters ALL your supposed “evidence”?
Is it not evident from these letters that your exercise was fruitless?

Now, do you examine ALL THE FACTS without rushing to defend WTBTS?

So in your village, beating around the bush is known as presenting “FACTS” ?
Nawaoh!
Just show us one signed document where WTBTS pledged allegiance to the UN or any other political organization and stop twisting the meaning of the access WTBTS had to the UN library to fit your own selfish interest.

The evidence above says otherwise!

“Evidence” is quoting from 1,001 unreliable sources when you can't come to one definite conclusion?
Perhaps the meaning of “evidence” changed in the past decade.

Is Jesus' word in John 17:14,16 a command or prayer?

Command, prayer, anyone you like.
If it's command you want to see, read John 15:17-20
If it's prayer you want to see kwa, read John 17:14,16
Nothing spoil

MaxInDHouse:
With the bolded it's obvious that you're either lying to your own soul or you knew nothing about JWs.
But i'll clarify matters for the sake of other followers of this thread.
Millions will survive the end of badness on this planet and they will be ushered into a new world {Revelations 7:9-10} the first set before this is the spiritual Israel, because Jesus mentioned names of Jacob's children most readers were confused, and that's exactly what he wanted, himself and the father desire that only his true followers should understand this secret.
Notice that the list of names @ Revelations 7:5-8 is not the original names of Jacob's 12 son (Exodus 1:2-3) meaning Jesus is here talking about the spiritual Jews which Paul spoke of in his letter to the Christian congregation in Rome telling them that God no more recognize the Jewish people as his people again but Christians who have become Jews by faith! Romans 2:28-29
So instead of selecting the 144,000 corulers who will be with Jesus in his heavenly Kingdom from amongst the Israelites, God is selecting that number from the Christians (Born Again) the first set of this spiritual Jews are the 120 members @ Pentecost, the remaining were picked from amongst Christians later.
So Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the 144,000 will rule with Jesus in heaven, therefore they're the only number going to heaven with him but the rest of Jesus' followers will survive the end of this wicked system of things into the new world, and we will be the ones to welcome back faithful servants of God who will be resurrected back to life on earth starting from the last Christians who died till Abel who is the person last to be resurrected!

Well said

Myer:


8.7 million members? But JW believes only 144,000 will be saved right?
I hope your founder is among cos he has obviously successfully creating another major division in the body of Christ.
I don't even see JW as a christian body but as a Jewish body. Because you condemn everyone else who is not a member of JW just as the pharisees did.

You're free to hold onto your opinion, sir.

Emusan:

See painment
Are you denying that Watchtower Society never be part of UN?
What is the reason behind the use of the words NEW WORLD by Watchtower?

Mr Emus.an, perhaps I should educate you—so you don't keep making this mistake.

The WTBTS has never endorsed or supported any political organization ever, let alone the UN.

The Society applied to get access to the UN Library for the general info and stats seen in articles of Awake and public Watchtower magazines.

It was later brought to the Society's attention that the UN had changed their T&C's for those who had access to their libraries. The new T&C's apparently contained new requirements which the Society reviewed and saw that the new conditions stated conflicted with Bible's standards. And then they withdrew completely from the association because JW's will never compromise their neutrality for anything or anybody.

But as usual, apostates and all those attacking Jehovah's Witnesses will see any opportunity to latch onto anything they can find and spread half truths, leaving out vital information—showing that they themselves aren't honest.

Anyone having the “power of reason” (Romans 12:1) will examine all the facts without rushing to conclusion over what he knows little about.

So make no mistake, Em.usan, because Jehovah's Witnesses will never compromise their neutrality nor will they ever support ANY political organization whatsoever—even at the threat of death.
JW's will continue to heed Jesus' words to be “no part of the world”. John 17:14,16

Emusan:


When you realized that Watchtower Society was secretly part of UN for years before they were busted and quickly withdrawn their registration.

Maybe because they were part of this WORLD GOVERNMENT in the first place, is the reason for their NEW WORLD Translation.

The naive/inexperienced person believes every word ,
But the shrewd one ponders each step. —Proverbs 14:15
I guess we and those reading know who the “inexperienced” one is here, that the Bible speaks of.

You fancy stories/talltales you heard here and there without considering the full facts and you expect me to tender you a sound reply.
Mr Emusan, please find something better to do. Thanks.

Ken4Christ:

No, they are still there weeping and crying. The dead are conscious. This is made clear by the story of the rich man and Lazarus. It is not a Parable. In Parables, actual characters are not mentioned. Show me any other Parable that names were mentioned.

“Indeed, without an illustration he[Jesus] would not speak to them”—Matthew 13:34

This was one of the features of Jesus' earthly ministry. He always spoke to the crowds listening to him using “illustrations” or “parables” to in order to know what lay in the hearts of his listeners and also to fulfill the words prophesied by Asaph and Isaiah.(Psalm 78:2, Isaiah 6:9-10)

It was only his close disciples and those who wanted to know more that Jesus explained and revealed the explanations of the parables. (Matthew 13:10-11, Mark 4:34)

But on this occasion in Luke 16, the verse 14 says that “the Pharisees...were listening to all these things”.

And we earlier noted that Jesus always spoke in parables to those who were not his disciples.
So it's of importance to ask oneself if the story of the rich man and Lazarus was a parable or whether the Pharisees somehow became Jesus' disciples.

The United Nations is promoting the concept of “global citizenship.” Goals include encouraging international cooperation, respecting human rights, and protecting our planet. The reason? As expressed by Maher Nasser in the UN Chronicle, “climate change, organized crime, rising inequalities, unresolved conflicts, mass displacement of people, global terrorism, infectious diseases, and similar threats do not recognize . . . borders.”

Others have gone even further, advocating a world government. They include the Italian philosopher, poet, and statesman Dante (1265-1321) and the physicist Albert Einstein (1879-1955). Dante believed that peace could not last in a politically divided world. A “kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin,” he said, quoting Jesus Christ.​—Luke 11:17.

Shortly after World War II, which saw the use of two atomic bombs, Albert Einstein wrote an open letter to the General Assembly of the United Nations. “The United Nations,” he said, “must act with utmost speed to create the necessary conditions for international security by laying the foundations for a real world government.”

But could the politicians who would make up such a powerful government be immune to corruption, incompetence, and oppression? Or would they be just as prone to those dark traits as others have been? These questions call to mind the words of British historian Lord Acton, who said: “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Even so, if the human family is to enjoy true peace and harmony, we have to be united. But how can that goal be achieved? Is it even realistic?
The Bible’s answer is yes. It can and will be achieved. How? Not by a world government made up of corruptible politicians. Rather, it will be by a government of God’s making. What is more, that government will express his right to rule over his creation. What is that government? The Bible even gives it a name​—“the Kingdom of God,” or God’s Kingdom.​—Luke 4:43.

“LET YOUR KINGDOM COME”

Jesus Christ had God’s Kingdom in mind when he said in his model prayer: “Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place . . . on earth.” (Matthew 6:9, 10) Yes, God’s Kingdom will ensure that God’s will is done on earth, not the will of power-hungry or selfish humans.

God’s Kingdom is also called “the Kingdom of the heavens.” (Matthew 5:3) The reason? While it will rule over the earth, it will not rule from the earth but will rule from heaven. Think what that means. This world government will not require material or financial support. What a relief that will be for its human subjects!

As the term “kingdom” suggests, God’s Kingdom is a royal government. It has a King​—Jesus Christ—​who received his authority from God. Concerning Jesus, the Bible says:

“The government shall be upon his shoulder . . . Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end.”​—Isaiah 9:6, 7, King James Version.

“To him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership . . . will not pass away.”​—Daniel 7:14.

“The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ.”​—Revelation 11:15.

In fulfillment of Jesus’ model prayer, God’s Kingdom will fully accomplish God’s will on earth. Under it, all mankind will learn how to care for the planet so that it will be healthy again and teem with life.

Above all, God’s Kingdom will educate its subjects. All will be taught the same standards. There will be no discord or division. “They will not cause any harm or any ruin . . . because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters cover the sea,” says Isaiah 11:9.

Earth’s inhabitants will truly be what the United Nations would like people to be​—peace-loving global citizens. “They will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace,” says Psalm 37:11. In time, words like “crime,” “pollution,” “poverty,” and “war” will disappear from our vocabulary. But when will this happen? Yes, when will God’s Kingdom take charge? How will it do so? And how can you benefit from its rule?
For more on this, please visit jw.org

Source :
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no1-2019-mar-apr/world-government/

MuttleyLaff:


"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom"
- Psalm 45:6

"But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom"
- Hebrews 1:8

Everyone knows Jehovah's Witnesses, will go so far to any length just to change the Bible to fit their perverted doctrines rather than just simply translate the Bible as what it originally says, same there in the original Hebrew/Greek text. Jehovah's Witnesses organisation, do this, all just to avoid ascribing Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ with Godship (i.e. to blatantly avoid calling Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, God)

Let's take the above Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 verses for example, and ask Janosky to paste here how New World Translation (i.e. NWT, that is the Jehovah's Witnesses' official bible) translates Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 as and lets all see, if it will be different but justifiably, lmso

So when Janosky silenced you on the matter of the spurious words being added to Matthew 6:13 in your KJV Bible—your next option was to resort to strawman tactics and claim that “Jehovah's Witnesses, will go so far to any length just to change the Bible” abi?
No wahala. Just know that day after day you further expose yourself to be a man whose words hold no water whatsoever. Perhaps it's your long paragraphs here and there that makes you think you're quick-witted.
Please don't be that quick to rush to conclusions. Just quote Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 from both KJV and NWT versions of the Bible let's see if “Jehovah's Witnesses changed their Bible” or whether you just choose to be unintelligent.

Myer:

Do you know that Paul sought to make Christian's out of the Royal families?
Some in fact converted and he stayed and lived with them too?

So where do you get the idea that Christians and Politics should be separated while it's okay for Christoans to mingle with the world in every other aspect of life.

I can assure you that it is an erroneous view that has kept the impact of true Christian's from being felt.

Well that's just the will of the true God.
He desires for all sorts of men , whether of noble or humble backgrounds, rich or poor TO COME TO AN ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH and BE SAVED. 1Timothy 2:4, 2Peter 3:9

Such ones of noble/royal backgrounds may abandon their former way of life of fame, status and recognition if they want to become disciples of Jesus.
So whoever is on the side of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ will listen and obey the commandments set in place! (John 18:37)
There is nothing like trying to repair the damage caused by Satan's world by trying to mix worshiping God and supporting governments that will soon be destroyed.
So my dear sir, you can hold your view if you so wish. But be rest assured that 8.7million men and women around the globe have chosen to be on the side of the truth.
Whoever isn't on the side of Jehovah and Jesus is against them(Matthew 12:30)
There's no two ways about it.

Myer :
Did you abandon your family when you decided to follow Christ?

Did you give all you had and donated it to the church and the poor when you decided to follow Christ?

Have you plucked out your eyes and cut off your arms for causing you to sin?

Lol lol I guess I should take you to school.

Okay. First of all, know that I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses.(Isaiah 43:10-12)
Before one can become a JW, he must be ready to put away the old personality with worldly habits, pick up his own torture stake and put on a new personality.
That includes living your life in direct accordance with Bible principles. (Psalm 119:105)
It may also include severing ties with family members and friends who might pose a threat to the service to our God, Jehovah. (Proverbs 13:20, Matthew 10:37, 1Corinthians 15:33)
Just like Peter and the disciples did and were rewarded(Mark 10:28-30)
So as you can see, it is that serious.

If you did not keep these why do you expect perfection from others?

I don't know where you got the notion that I'm expecting ‘perfection’ from anybody.

If Christians are to separate themselves from politics, how then is the Lord's prayer of establishing God's kingdom on earth as it is in heaven to be fulfilled?

Sir, please, know that I speak as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and not one of your usual churchgoers.
The Bible says that God's Kingdom will be firmly established in the heavens and is going to rule over the earth, that which will put an end to all the worldly governments.(Daniel 2:44)
The destruction and desolation of all the worldly governments as well as the extension of God's Kingdom to the earth will not be by human hands.
That work rests squarely in the hands of the invisible/immortal King, Jesus who was chosen by his God, Jehovah(Daniel 7:13-14, Luke 1:31-33) and the 144,000 corulers who are all immortal in heaven(Revelation 5:9-10)
They are the ones who will bring to nought all earthly governments and extend God's Kingdom to the earth. (Revelation 19:11-15)
It is only when that occurs, that obedient humans can benefit from God's righteous rulership. It is only then when true peace and security will come to be on the earth—death, pain, old age, sickness, hunger, injustice will all be no more. (Psalm 72:7,16, Isaiah 33:24, Revelation 21:1-4)
No human government today can ever achieve any of these, so that's why Jehovah's Witnesses stick to God's original plan and remain neutral in worldly affairs.

There's no dichotomy between politics and christianity since there's none in other sectors of life.
Light and Darkness, Good and Evil are simultaneously in every sector and not exclusive to politics.

Myer:

This right here is the mentality that has kept Nigeria under corruption. Because the few morally upright Christians had been misdoctrinated until recent times.

Sir with all due respect—the reason why the world is in all this mess is because God isn't in charge of this present system and has no dealing with it at all.
The Bible reveals a certain evil angel called Satan the devil who's misleading all the nations and their respective governments. (1John 5:19, Revelation 12:9)

It's ok to be a part of the world when it is business, entertainment or sports but not politics?

The true disciples of Jesus are identified as Jehovah's Witnesses. — Isaiah 43:10-12, Acts 1:8
So when Jesus made it clear that his disciples “be no part of the world”(John 17:14), it spanned several aspects of life—politics, entertainment and business.
True disciples of Jesus today DO NOT participate competitively in sports.— Galatians 5:26
They carefully examine and filter their entertainment and business they engage in so that such things do not conflict with God's principles.—Ephesians 5:10

David, Nathaniel, Daniel, Shedrach, Meshach and Abednego, Zerrubabel, were they not into politics?

Mr Myer, the nation of Israel was chosen by the God of the heavens and the earth—Jehovah.
He came into a covenant/agreement with the nation of Israel and said he was to make them a nation of kings and priests.—Exodus 19:5-6
It was from that geographical location that pure worship was to be observed and practised.
So normally, it was even a grave offense when the nation of Israel made unauthorized alliances with other nations.—Deuteronomy 7:2, Isaiah 30:1-4
After Jesus died, it was evident that God had rejected the nation of Israel and pure worship acceptable to God was to be practised amongst the new disciples of Jesus and wasn't based on geographical location anymore.

When Jesus mentioned that his government was a heavenly kingdom, he never mentioned that his disciples should avoid politics. It was simply that the government then was resistive to any one who wasn't one of them.

Jesus made it very clear on matters such as politics that we(true disciples) must remain politically neutral, just as he was. (John 18:36)
He didn't try to overturn the ruling government in his day even when the Jews wanted to install him as king! (John 6:15)
And that we're to be no part of this system of things ridden by Satan and his demons. (John 17:14&16)

Of course not all Christians can be trusted with politics too in fact only a very few have proven to be trustworthy.

Just to be clear, anyone claiming “Christian” supporting one earthly government or another is only deceiving his or herself because the worship offered by such ones WILL not be acceptable to God.