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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 5:10pm On Sep 23, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:
But why? embarassed
Na them sabi
Christianity EtcRe: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 5:02pm On Sep 23, 2020
Karanka:
There's no better alternative I can think of for the person. But how about not losing anything at all or not even becoming sick?
Do you think that losing 5 children and later given birth to 20 children is enough of replacement or consolation for the ones lost?
I think AkinwaleJJ's post highlights this?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 4:10pm On Sep 23, 2020
Ken4Christ:
You claim he didn't resurrect bodily. I ask again, what happened to the body because his tomb was empty?
Is it me that should answer that question or should 1Corinthians 15:42-44 and 1Peter 3:18 answer the question for us?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 4:08pm On Sep 23, 2020
Olofin2:
You are a fool. 2nd Thess 3:6 you quoted is not the same in my Bible. You wrote your own Bible calling it Bible. Asiwere
Please pay attention. undecided undecided
2Thessalonians 3:6 KJV Bible

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

After you confirm it in your own KJV Bible, come back and let's know if JW's “changed” the Bible as the whole lot of your kind claim.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 3:56pm On Sep 23, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:
I never noticed that in his comment but why are they so agitated and presumptuous about JWs?
“The naive/inexperienced person believes every word ,But the shrewd one ponders each step.”
Proverbs 14:15

They feel okay and satisfied with anything they hear about Jehovah's Witnesses without considering the facts. smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 3:50pm On Sep 23, 2020
Karanka:
Let me just add that losing everything like children, relations; suffering from diseases and other vices and disasters and gaining times twenty of that or millions of that when the kingdom of Jehovah comes or in heaven is not just enough - it doesn't adequately compensate for that. Can anything adequately replace the loss of something so precious? Is there really a better alternative?
That is why the story of Job in the Bible is yet another thing that doesn't make sense in all these.
I don't think I get you completely.

Let's say you are terminally ill and someone tells you that there will come a time when you'll no longer get sick—a perfect health wouldn't compensate for all that has been lost?

May I ask you provide a better alternative, please, I'm all ears.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD:
Karanka:
Nice attempt but it still doesn't cut it.
A lot of things don't just make sense without applying the tool of faith.
Now, why would God put the tree that he warned Adam and Eve not to eat from in the same garden he put Adam and Eve in?
Not just that,he didn't protect the tree from been eaten by Adam and Eve. It sounds almost childish considering the whole scenario but maybe a fortified wall or something else around the tree would have prevented Eve from gaining access to the tree,or probably stationing and angel there just like he did after he drove Adam and Eve from the garden.
That's not all. Of all places,all planets to cast satan to,it was earth. The same place that Adam that he loved so much was put.
You see,no earthly father would even do such. just imagine you as a father to a young girl of about 5 years allowing a know child molester to live in the same house with your little girl and even have unrestricted access to her. come on man! Who would ever do that?
But that is what the Bible literally wants us to believe. Except if there's another 'higher plan or reason' we still don't know of yet.
Mr/Mrs Karanka, please if we're going to further this discussion about the Bible, then we would want to do that taking into consideration, the accurate chronology.

First of all, Satan the Devil isn't the name of the chief rebellious angel, rather those are just titles meaning Resister and Slanderer. He is unnamed in the Scriptures because he has no relevance/bearing on God's purposes.

Second, it was only after he lied to Eve, cause them to sin which brought death upon she and Adam—did he begin to become Satan the Devil. It wasn't before.
Jesus said at John 8:44:
“You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth , because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.”
Carefully reading the above, we find out that prior to when this angel rebelled against his Father and God, he was faithful but “he did not stand fast in the truth” because he allowed a wrong desire for rulership to grow in his heart(James 1:14,15)
So because he had freewill, he chose to misuse it and slandered the name of God.(Genesis 3:4-5)



And third, Satan wasn't hurled down to the earth before Adam was created. Those are just fanciful tales told by people who lack knowledge of the Scriptures. Such that have no bearing on the Scriptures.
The Bible says that Satan and his angels “did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place”.—Jude 6a
Meaning they left their dutypost in heaven to come to the earth, which is a huge offense on it's own but “he[God] has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.”—Jude 6b.
Meaning that God has marked them for judgment and destruction already because of the rebellion.
The ousting of Satan to the earth permanently was in 1914, thousands of years after Adam had died. If you want to know more about that year 1914 please call on any of Jehovah's Witnesses in the area where you live as they will explain to you in great detail.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD:
Ken4Christ:
Even if I do, you will still not believe because you people are possessed with the spirit of unbelief.
But you can't, because your spurious claims are found nowhere in the Bible.

Just one question for you, since you don't believe that Jesus died bodily, tell me what happened to the body of Jesus with scriptures.
And where did I or any other JW claim that Jesus didn't die with a fleshly body?

Don't digress. [s]If you are able to answer me, maybe I will think about joining you. [/s] If you can't, please run away from that group which is as good as a cult.
Christianity EtcRe: Where Are Now They Or Where Will They Be... Heaven Or Hell? by DappaD:
Offpoint1:
Regarding if the Bible is the higher authority to look up to for explanation regarding certain things like this...

I have a different view about the Bible and Quran. I've always seen them as an historical books.
So I'll focus my attention on “The Bible” okay.
Of course, the Bible does contain historical accounts to serve as a reminder that the events recorded in the Bible actually happened and not mere fantasy.

Believe me, both are very complex Books no matter how "spiritual" you claim to be you'll never understand it fully.
To a random observer, the Bible will appear “complex” but in reality when studied, it appears not to be so.
Just like every book has an overall theme, the Bible(which is made up of 66inspired books) must also have an overall theme/message.

God is not an author of confusion, yet so many even Bible scholars can't explain the Bible.
You're right about the bolded. 1Corinthians 14:33 buttresses the point you made.
@italicized, the Bible makes it clear that those who truly want to do the will of the Most High God YHWH are going to be the ones having insight and understanding with anything regards to the Bible. (Daniel 12:10, Matthew 13:11)
Just because there are quack doctors and quack engineers, doesn't mean that there aren't certified, genuine ones. Likewise, the best one can do is to seek out the ones the Bible says will have “insight”—Daniel 12:10

I've always seen them as books that have been tempered with.
"Nothing should be added or removed from the word... Yet some books from the Bible has been removed hence we are having 66 books (I know scholars will give explanations to this which I refused to buy)
Sir, the Bible wasn't written in modern day languages. It was written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic(language of Syrians) and Greek. So if we want to truly know if things were added or removed, we'll have to consult the original manuscripts and not the various translations abound today. I don't know if you agree.
Also, for a book to qualify as being inspired of God, it has to contribute to the overall theme of the Bible else it's just an apocryphal book written by overzealous people.

If you claimed the Bible is absolutely God's word who God INSPIRED the past apostles and prophets to write. Then today there are books written by almost most pastors and they all claimed God inspired them to do so... Does that make such books absolute words of God?
Just because someone makes a claim that he's approved of God, doesn't at all make such ones to be genuine.
The Bible itself foretold that certain men would rise up in our day claiming to be inspired of God but in reality are false prophets and demon-inspired. (Matthew 24:11, 1Timothy 4:1-3, 2Peter 2:1)
Such ones, because they don't have the understanding of the Scriptures, TWIST God's word so that others may be confused too. Please endeavour to see 2Peter 3:16 because it outlines this.
If somebody writes a book and claims his too is inspired, then he's among those described in those scriptures above.
So make no mistake, the Bible is the only inspired book from God. (Romans 15:4, 2Timothy 3:16)


I will stop here concerning that, I don't like sharing my view about the Bible in public forum.
No problem sir. I really appreciate you opening up on how you feel concerning the Bible.

The only way to know God's nature is through God creations. They all reflect who God is.
Very true. In fact, Romans 1:20 talks about this:
“For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.”

Not to misquote I enjoy reading the Bible, it's like a life manual if you open up your minds to understanding.
Well said sir. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Christianity EtcRe: Where Are Now They Or Where Will They Be... Heaven Or Hell? by DappaD: 10:02am On Sep 23, 2020
Offpoint1:
I've never in my life believed those who are dead are in heaven or hell. Nobody will make heaven or hell without being judged and we know the Bible stated there will be resurrection of the just and unjust to face judgment at the judgment.
So we are not to be judged twice.
Just like AkinwaleJJ mentioned earlier, there are some groups of people before Jesus Christ who have already been judged—Adam&Eve, Noah's contemporaries, Inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah etc
So you're commended for scrutinizing what you were taught to believe in—rather than following what the crowd believes.

As for hell being scam, I have my own believe.
If there is prison for our earthly crime, then definitely there is a place we all serve punishment after God's judgment.
Do you believe the Bible is the higher authority we can look up to for explanation regards certain things like these?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 9:25am On Sep 23, 2020
Ken4Christ:
I maintain my stand just to help a few people who have been deceived and brainwashed by Jehovah Witness doctrines. They are anti Christ. Every doctrine of their opposes the truth that the gospel brought. They are agents of darkness disguised as ministers of light and their judgment is certain. For instance;

1. The Bible teaches that salvation is by grace through faith but the Jehovah Witness teaches you earn your salvation by good works. Good works is the product of salvation and not the requirement of salvation.
2. "The Bible teaches that Jesus died and rose again. The Jehovah Witness teaches that Jesus didn't resurrect bodily. Then what happened to the body of Christ? They can't explain. At a time they assert that God may have dissolved the body with chemical.
3. The Bible teaches that Jesus is coming back to take the faithful Saints home, the Jehovah Witness teaches that Jesus already has come back.
4. The Bible says that Jesus died on the cross, they teach he died on a tree.
5. The Bible teaches on the existence of a place of torment known as hell, they teach hell is just the ordinary grave. This is wickedness to deny the truth of God's word which is stated so clearly in his word.
6. The Bible teaches that all Saints in Christ are citizens of heaven, the Jehovah Witness teaches that only 144,000 will make heaven. What a demonic doctrine.
7. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is a person, the third person of the God head, they teach that the Holy Spirit is a wind and a force.
8. The Bible teaches that God will judge us by our works here on earth, they teach that God will judge us by our works in the resurrection during the judgment period which they assert will last for 1,000 years. So, you can do whatever you want on earth right now. The moment you die, all your sins are dead also. They misquote Apostle Paul when he said he that is dead is free from sin. No wonder they live ungodly lives.
10. The Bible teaches that when Christ comes back, all eyes shall see him, they teach otherwise. They said we will only feel his presence.

I could go on and on. They oppose everything that is truth and turn people away from God. They are raising disciples for the very hell they don't believe exist. They are the reason why so many are going to hell on a daily basis.

Please, come out from amongst them. They are indeed wolves in sheep's clothing. They are agents of darkness disguised as ministers of light. I weep for all that have been held captives by their false teachings.
Don't you think you'll make a lot of sense if you attach Scriptures to every point you supposedly make rather than repeating garbage your pastors have taught you which have no basis in the scriptures?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 10:47pm On Sep 22, 2020
rottennaija:
Let's see how misguided and seeking undue relevance. See the screenshot below. Do you need more evidence? Of course you know that watchtower has a double tongue, what they tell the public is always a false misrepresentation of reality and you know it. I'll show more evidence that what watchtower put into those FAQ are bareface lies.
Lol lol lol amongst all the reasons there is for JW's preaching, you single one out and try to miscontrue what is intended?

Uncle from what we can gather, since everlasting life is a precious gift, we would want to share the opportunity for others to get that gift. What other means to do that if not by preaching?
If one doesn't preach and teach, then the person in question doesn't value that gift of everlasting life. undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by DappaD: 6:35pm On Sep 22, 2020
rottennaija :


No. I don't. It was given to the 12 and then by extension, to all. However, by going by your inability to show proofs that James, Cornelius, the Jailer, the Ethiopian Eunuch did engage in preaching/teaching in the neighbourhood, then not all in the first century participated in preaching.

Also, going by your inability show from the bible that those whom I have listed above were informed of the importance of also going about preaching (that's what a 21st century Jw would do), then not all participated in it.

However, I would want to dig further.


Going by books written by your religion, its undeniable that it's clearly stated to supporters and adherents that without going door to door do, the individual will not be saved. Basically, without preaching, no everlasting life.


[s]Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life? [/s]
Please can the OP point to one publication by Jehovah's Witnesses that mentions the highlighted?

Isn't it really obvious now that this misguided young man is seeking undue relevance? undecided

The OP is clearly aware of the beliefs of JW's but for the sake of onlookers who might be misled by his wrong statements, I encourage such ones to visit the following links, read the brief articles and see for themselves whether what the OP said is true about JW's or if he just wants to distort facts.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/salvation-and-door-to-door-ministry/

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/door-to-door/

Christianity EtcRe: If A Muslim With 3 Wives Converts To A Christian. by DappaD: 8:54pm On Sep 21, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:
Hmmm are you male or female?
You and I both know who you are Lol
Christianity EtcRe: If A Muslim With 3 Wives Converts To A Christian. by DappaD: 8:25pm On Sep 21, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:
Sorry i'm a lady.

OK now i get you now Sir, we were talking about two different things
Restitution and Reinstitution

Restitution means a payback or compensation for someone's loss.
But Reinstitution means amending your ways after knowing that you're not getting something right.

There is no restitutional injunction in Christianity the only thing Christians do is reinstituting their minds over what they thought was OK before the coming of Christ!
Are you completely sure of that? undecided
Because me my eye dey reach ground.
Christianity EtcRe: Hell Is Not The Final Destination Of Lost Souls by DappaD: 6:04pm On Sep 21, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:
Sister in the house!
Are you sure? undecided
'Cause I was thinking someone else entirely
Christianity EtcRe: Hell Is Not The Final Destination Of Lost Souls by DappaD: 3:09pm On Sep 21, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:
I believe it's simple and everyone should know this but i don't just get it how Jesus became the center of attraction when Adam is the main man through whom we were supposed to relate with our heavenly father! Whatever affects Adam should be of serious concern, otherwise there is no way Jesus could have come in!
Well said. .
But brother, you haven't introduced yourself oh grin
I can tell who it is just by seeing how your post is constructed.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DappaD: 3:08pm On Sep 21, 2020
kapelvej : grin cheesy ;DE pain am
Are Psalm 82:6 & John 10:34-35 in your Bible or do you just want to constitute a nuisance?
Christianity EtcRe: Hell Is Not The Final Destination Of Lost Souls by DappaD: 2:33pm On Sep 21, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:
Well Adam is the father of the human race, we need to know
1) what made him a sinner?
2)what happened to him?
3)why we need Jesus?

So if you can't explain these then your preaching about Jesus will make no practical sense, that's why the Bible referred to Jesus as the "Last Adam" 1Corin 15:45
Surely we need to fully understand what happened to the first Adam before we can understand the importance of the last Adam, remember both of them were God's Sons! Luke 3:38; John 3:16
That's the problem with these churchgoers.
They think Jesus will come to this earth and do anything if it wasn't because of Adam's mistake. huh
Adam's sin and the ransom sacrifice by Jesus aren't mutually exclusive terms in that somebody cannot talk about one without talking about the other.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD:
Karanka :
Sir, I read through your response and I honestly couldn't find any logical reason why satan is still free and roaming about causing havoc on earth.
It was something that had to do with God,Adam,Eve and satan, why involve the rest of humans? Why not use the live of Adam and Eve and prove that man cannot rule himself? Why involve generations upon generations of people to suffer for what didn't directly involve them?
I don't really know what's been triggering the b/ans by the N/L b/ots recently. I think it's the use of too many n/umbers in one post.

Well, the whole Genesis chapter Three account raised several issues about who Jehovah the Creator of the heavens and earth really was.

After Satan deceived Eve into disobeying her God, He(Satan) claimed that God was hiding something precious from Adam and Eve—further painting Him to be a bad ruler.
Know that before now, God had created millions of angels in heaven(Job Thirty-Eight verse Seven) and they were all observing the scenario on how the whole matter would turn out.
If God had immediately destroyed the rebels—Satan, Adam and Eve—then it would make Satan's claim of God being a bad ruler to be true.

Other issues were raised too—as to whether humans could successfully rule themselves without God's intervention. Jehovah God knew that he didn't create humans with the ability to rule themselves(Jeremiah Ten verse Twenty-Three) but he has allowed Satan and humans to set up their governments anyway to show to observers that Satan was wrong.

Where the descendants of Adam and Eve come into the scenario is when they are to choose between

One. Serving JEHOVAH GOD — the One who created human beings and therefore, knows what's best for us.

Two. Accepting Satan's ploy for humans to rule themselves in forms of governments under Satan's authority.


Those who choose number one are to love Jehovah their God, keep all His statutes and commandments in order that they may have everlasting life. (Deuteronomy Thirty verse Sixteen, Nineteen and Twenty; Psalm Thirty-Seven verse Twenty-Nine; Zephaniah Two verse Two&Three; John Three verse Sixteen)
That includes wholeheartedly supporting God's Kingdom that will put an end to all of human governments in the future. (Daniel Two verse Forty-Four)
The only group of persons today doing these are Jehovah's Witnesses. (Isaiah Forty-Three verse Ten to Twelve)


The Bible tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world. (John Twelve verse Thirty-One, First John Five verse Nineteen)
Those who decide to follow Satan's form of rulership are the ones who rely on their own so-called wisdom, accept worldly ideas and thinking, set standards for themselves to follow(just like Adam and Eve chose to do) and all those who are supporting the human governments of this present system of things.


The Bible which is God's inspired word also gives us hope that all the havoc today—death, pain, injustice, crime, sickness—that were caused under Satan's authority WILL all be reversed through God's Kingdom. (Revelation Twenty-One verse One to Four) smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 5:06pm On Sep 15, 2020
Blabbermouth:
Objection My friend, the memories (whether they be refreshed every time) is not / will not be enough to stop man and angels from misusing their free will once again.
All of my being is 100% sure that God would not subject the tendency for us to never misuse our will to wishful thinking - "Let's just hope the memories remain fresh in you guys (man and angels) and you never misuse your will again"... That's very weak sir.
You can take your time sir, your answer was sweet all in all though.
When Habakkuk was saddened by all the wrongdoing and violence taking place around him by those who chose to misuse their freewill, he queried Jehovah and asked why He tolerated it. (Habakkuk 1:1-3)
What was God's response to him?
For the vision is yet for its appointed time,
And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it!
For it will without fail come true.It will not be late!”
— Habakkuk 2:3
Yes, we are to be in expectation of that appointed time when the wicked ones will be done away with forever.(Psalm 37:10, Proverbs 2:22)
Furthermore, he was inspired to write that
“the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah
As the waters cover the sea”
— Habakkuk 2:14; see also Isaiah 11:9
Yes, under the rulership of God's Kingdom, the obedient human society i.e. the “new earth” will then have sufficient knowledge about Jehovah God—including all of those who would have been resurrected.(Revelation 20:13)
Obedient mankind will then be raised to perfection during the Millennial rule—Adamic death, sickness, pain will be a thing of the past.(Revelation 21:3-4) so nobody will have any excuse to misuse his/her freewill then.
And since all of them will be aware of Jehovah's righteous standards by then—anyone who decides to flout the standards set will immediately be destroyed.(Isaiah 65:20, Revelation 20:9,15)

1. The darkness, the formlessness, the void, where were they coming from?
2. What about the waters?
Please explain.
I don't understand what you mean by this.
If it's what I'm thinking it to be—then the answer is simple, Jehovah God had created the heavens and the earth but the earth wasn't fit for inhabitance yet—hence the darkness, void and waters.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD:
Blabbermouth:
1. Where / in what dispensation did Satan murder anyone?
Satan was the one who deceived Eve and eventually brought death upon she, Adam and all of mankind. (Romans 5:12)
That's why Hebrews 2:14 says that Satan the Devil is “the one having the means to cause death”.
It's not as if he's the one doing the killing directly—but he draws people out according to their desires and seduces them into committing sin. It is that sin that brings forth death. (James 1:14,15)

2. Where / in what dispensation did Satan lie?
As the Bible would have it—the first lie ever told was the one told by Satan(John 8:44)
Jehovah God had specifically told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad and that, if they did eat, they would die. (Genesis 2:17)
Along came Satan—using a serpent as a mouthpiece, he asked Eve a trick question and she then recanted the instruction that God had given them.
Then Satan told the first lie:
“You certainly will not die.”—Genesis 3:4
He didn't stop there. He went on to claim that Jehovah was withholding something precious from them—by doing so, he slandered Jehovah's name and challenged the rightfulness and righteousness of Jehovah's Sovereignty/Supremacy.—Genesis 3:5

3. Will Lies & murder be the reason for Satan going into eternal torment?
As for Satan, him being the Chief Slanderer and a Murderer, judgment was already pronounced against Satan as far back as the garden of Eden—for putting up a rebellious attitude and inciting others—angels and humans—to join in the rebellion.
Jesus who came to be the promised “seed” would eventually crush the head of the serpent—that is, Satan the Devil—utterly destroying/annihilating him forever in the “lake of fire” which means the “second death” without a possible resurrection.(Compare Genesis 3:15 with Matthew 25:41,46, Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8 and Revelation 20:2,10)
Christianity EtcRe: Hell Is Not The Final Destination Of Lost Souls by DappaD: 8:46pm On Sep 14, 2020
Maximus69:
There is nothing called Hellfire!

It's a result of misinterpretation! smiley
You didn't notice when he said “FOR ME...”? grin grin
He agrees that it's not what the Bible teaches but that it's solely his own opinion. cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Hell Is Not The Final Destination Of Lost Souls by DappaD: 3:13pm On Sep 14, 2020
Ken4Christ:
It was a prophecy. David saw the suffering of Jesus ahead. And Apostle Peter confirmed it.
Ok
So where did you see your “hellfire” in Psalm 16:10 and Acts 2:27?

It seems you don't even know why Jesus even died in the first place. Where is this teaching of Jesus going to “hellfire” to conquer found in the Scriptures?
Christianity EtcRe: Hell Is Not The Final Destination Of Lost Souls by DappaD: 9:10am On Sep 14, 2020
Ken4Christ:
David spoke concerning Jesus prophetically and not about himself. Apostle Peter made this clear in the book of Acts;

Acts 2:25-31
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

You may want to ask, why did Jesus go to hell?
He went on account of our sins. He had to suffer the punishment you and I were supposed to suffer so you will not need to go there. That is why John the Baptist said, 'behold the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

2nd Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Just leave Jesus out of this and tell me what David is looking for in your outdated “hellfire” lipsrsealed
Christianity EtcRe: Top 10 Bible Passages that are Unbiblical by DappaD:
Sodiquinone:
Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

U are really defending this genocide and injustice ,big shame!!! tell me the fault of children ,women ,ox ,sheep, camel ,donkey
Read the post up there and stop acting all emotional.
The true God is righteous and all his ways are justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4)
Christianity EtcRe: Top 10 Bible Passages that are Unbiblical by DappaD: 1:56pm On Sep 13, 2020
Sodiquinone:
Tell us the meaning of the parable,if u still say no fault in the bible after reading the post, then u are clearly not sincere
It's a parable with a hidden meaning.
Only those who want to do God's will are granted the understanding to illustrations as such. (Daniel 12:10, Matthew 13:10-11)
Christianity EtcRe: Top 10 Bible Passages that are Unbiblical by DappaD:
Sodiquinone:
A list of the top 10 worst Biblical verse has been drawn up, which includes approval for sexism, genocide and slavery.
If you need guidance concerning what the Bible truly teaches, you should speak up, put sentiment aside and stop cherry picking verses when you do not understand the entire context.

No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
Most people think the Bible is misogynistic, but that is not the case at all.

The apostle Paul is not against women
He was inspired to state simply—that women should learn in total submissiveness and that they should be in subjection to those taking the lead in the congregation.(1Corinthians 14:34)
They should not try to usurp authority from the men in the congregation by any means so that congregational programs can be carried out in order and in accordance with God's arrangement.(1Corinthians 14:33,40)

No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
The total destruction of the Amalekites was a long promise by God waiting to be fulfilled by the Israelites.
Note that when the Israelites came out from Egypt, instead of the Amalekites to meet them(the Israelites) with bread, water and shelter—they came to wage war against Israel(Exodus 17:8.).
As a result, the God of the Israelites who rescued them from Egypt took it very personal and was infuriated and vowed to exterminate the Amalekites completely for their inhumane acts against his people. (Exodus 17:14, 1Samuel 15:2)

No. 3: A command of Moses:

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)
Among the other Law he gave to the Israelites—he specifically said that

“There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead” — Deuteronomy 18:10-11
The above acts and practises are detestable/disgusting to the true God because they involve spiritism/demonism—i.e. communicating with demons(fallen angels who are in opposition to God)
So anybody in ancient Israel who willingly practises such acts will pay the ultimate price with their life. It's not debatable.

No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137, a psalm which was made into a disco calypso hit by Boney M, is often omitted from readings in church:

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)
The ending of Psalm 137:9 involves a whole other prophecy in the book of Revelation chapters 17&18.
Understanding context is key.

No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)
While the full reasons for this act is not known, the concubine was previously unfaithful to the man (Judges 19:2)
Since the account of Judges is condensed, we cannot be dogmatic about the reasons for handing her over.


No. 6.sword not peace

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.(Mathew 10:34-36)
Jesus knew that his teachings would bring divisions amongst family members. That's why he told them beforehand what would come of them if they chose to become his followers. Usually, it's the family members who make it tough and difficult for those who choose to adhere to Bible standards.

No. 7: A daughter is burned as an acceptable sacrifice to God.

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)
Many people have misconceptions about the account of Jephthah and his daughter.
So first, it's worthy to note that God would never ask/accept a burnt human sacrifice—since it's detestable to him. Please read Deuteronomy 18:10 & Jeremiah 7:31
Jephthah fulfilled his promise to his God, namely, that his daughter serve in God's sanctuary for the rest of her life. That's why Judges 11:40 could say that the daughters of Israel would go every year to the sanctuary to speak with Jephthah's daughter.


No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)
May I ask what you hope to gain lifting scriptures up here and there without considering the whole text? Did Abraham later offer his son up as a sacrifice? C'mon be smart and read up Genesis 22:11-14.
Abraham knew that his God was the one who blessed him with Isaac so he also knew that his God had the power to resurrect his son should anything happen to him.
It was all a test on Abraham's faith sir.

No. 9:The cannibalistic God makes people eat human flesh.

"And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." (Leviticus 26:27–29 King James Version)
God simply said that if the Israelites abandoned his Law and statutes, things would get difficult for them that they would consider eating their children.
God wasn't supporting cannibalism.

No. 10: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
Were you expecting the Bible to encourage reprisals between slaves/servants and their masters?
The Bible—being God's word—always motivates us to maintain healthy relationships anywhere we find ourselves—whether we work for somebody or whether people work for us.(Romans 12:18)
That's simply it.
You're just the one who's reading the wrong meaning into it.
Christianity EtcRe: Top 10 Bible Passages that are Unbiblical by DappaD: 12:59pm On Sep 13, 2020
Sodiquinone:
Dont be confused, for example when they tell us about jesus they describe him as a happy tolerant person that can't even hurt a fly,,,and the same Jesus in Luke 19 vs 20 said But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" so I say thats a bible verse where Jesus acted un Jesus like..lol
Lol. How cunning of you.
So you'll ignore the verse 11 of that Luke 19 that said Jesus was speaking in illustrations/parables?

Your problem should be that you're looking for faults in the Bible even when there aren't any.

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