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AkinwaleJJ:Na them sabi |
Karanka:I think AkinwaleJJ's post highlights this? |
Ken4Christ:Is it me that should answer that question or should 1Corinthians 15:42-44 and 1Peter 3:18 answer the question for us? |
Olofin2:Please pay attention. ![]() 2Thessalonians 3:6 KJV Bible Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. After you confirm it in your own KJV Bible, come back and let's know if JW's “changed” the Bible as the whole lot of your kind claim. |
AkinwaleJJ:“The naive/inexperienced person believes every word ,But the shrewd one ponders each step.” Proverbs 14:15 They feel okay and satisfied with anything they hear about Jehovah's Witnesses without considering the facts. ![]() |
Karanka:I don't think I get you completely. Let's say you are terminally ill and someone tells you that there will come a time when you'll no longer get sick—a perfect health wouldn't compensate for all that has been lost? May I ask you provide a better alternative, please, I'm all ears. |
Karanka:Mr/Mrs Karanka, please if we're going to further this discussion about the Bible, then we would want to do that taking into consideration, the accurate chronology. First of all, Satan the Devil isn't the name of the chief rebellious angel, rather those are just titles meaning Resister and Slanderer. He is unnamed in the Scriptures because he has no relevance/bearing on God's purposes. Second, it was only after he lied to Eve, cause them to sin which brought death upon she and Adam—did he begin to become Satan the Devil. It wasn't before. Jesus said at John 8:44: “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth , because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.” Carefully reading the above, we find out that prior to when this angel rebelled against his Father and God, he was faithful but “he did not stand fast in the truth” because he allowed a wrong desire for rulership to grow in his heart(James 1:14,15) So because he had freewill, he chose to misuse it and slandered the name of God.(Genesis 3:4-5) And third, Satan wasn't hurled down to the earth before Adam was created. Those are just fanciful tales told by people who lack knowledge of the Scriptures. Such that have no bearing on the Scriptures. The Bible says that Satan and his angels “did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place”.—Jude 6a Meaning they left their dutypost in heaven to come to the earth, which is a huge offense on it's own but “he[God] has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.”—Jude 6b. Meaning that God has marked them for judgment and destruction already because of the rebellion. The ousting of Satan to the earth permanently was in 1914, thousands of years after Adam had died. If you want to know more about that year 1914 please call on any of Jehovah's Witnesses in the area where you live as they will explain to you in great detail. |
Ken4Christ:But you can't, because your spurious claims are found nowhere in the Bible. Just one question for you, since you don't believe that Jesus died bodily, tell me what happened to the body of Jesus with scriptures.And where did I or any other JW claim that Jesus didn't die with a fleshly body? Don't digress. [s]If you are able to answer me, maybe I will think about joining you. [/s] If you can't, please run away from that group which is as good as a cult. |
Offpoint1:So I'll focus my attention on “The Bible” okay. Of course, the Bible does contain historical accounts to serve as a reminder that the events recorded in the Bible actually happened and not mere fantasy. Believe me, both are very complex Books no matter how "spiritual" you claim to be you'll never understand it fully.To a random observer, the Bible will appear “complex” but in reality when studied, it appears not to be so. Just like every book has an overall theme, the Bible(which is made up of 66inspired books) must also have an overall theme/message. God is not an author of confusion, yet so many even Bible scholars can't explain the Bible.You're right about the bolded. 1Corinthians 14:33 buttresses the point you made. @italicized, the Bible makes it clear that those who truly want to do the will of the Most High God YHWH are going to be the ones having insight and understanding with anything regards to the Bible. (Daniel 12:10, Matthew 13:11) Just because there are quack doctors and quack engineers, doesn't mean that there aren't certified, genuine ones. Likewise, the best one can do is to seek out the ones the Bible says will have “insight”—Daniel 12:10 I've always seen them as books that have been tempered with.Sir, the Bible wasn't written in modern day languages. It was written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic(language of Syrians) and Greek. So if we want to truly know if things were added or removed, we'll have to consult the original manuscripts and not the various translations abound today. I don't know if you agree. Also, for a book to qualify as being inspired of God, it has to contribute to the overall theme of the Bible else it's just an apocryphal book written by overzealous people. If you claimed the Bible is absolutely God's word who God INSPIRED the past apostles and prophets to write. Then today there are books written by almost most pastors and they all claimed God inspired them to do so... Does that make such books absolute words of God?Just because someone makes a claim that he's approved of God, doesn't at all make such ones to be genuine. The Bible itself foretold that certain men would rise up in our day claiming to be inspired of God but in reality are false prophets and demon-inspired. (Matthew 24:11, 1Timothy 4:1-3, 2Peter 2:1) Such ones, because they don't have the understanding of the Scriptures, TWIST God's word so that others may be confused too. Please endeavour to see 2Peter 3:16 because it outlines this. If somebody writes a book and claims his too is inspired, then he's among those described in those scriptures above. So make no mistake, the Bible is the only inspired book from God. (Romans 15:4, 2Timothy 3:16) I will stop here concerning that, I don't like sharing my view about the Bible in public forum.No problem sir. I really appreciate you opening up on how you feel concerning the Bible. The only way to know God's nature is through God creations. They all reflect who God is.Very true. In fact, Romans 1:20 talks about this: “For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.” Not to misquote I enjoy reading the Bible, it's like a life manual if you open up your minds to understanding.Well said sir. Enjoy the rest of your day. |
Offpoint1:Just like AkinwaleJJ mentioned earlier, there are some groups of people before Jesus Christ who have already been judged—Adam&Eve, Noah's contemporaries, Inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah etc So you're commended for scrutinizing what you were taught to believe in—rather than following what the crowd believes. As for hell being scam, I have my own believe.Do you believe the Bible is the higher authority we can look up to for explanation regards certain things like these? |
Ken4Christ:Don't you think you'll make a lot of sense if you attach Scriptures to every point you supposedly make rather than repeating garbage your pastors have taught you which have no basis in the scriptures? |
rottennaija:Lol lol lol amongst all the reasons there is for JW's preaching, you single one out and try to miscontrue what is intended? Uncle from what we can gather, since everlasting life is a precious gift, we would want to share the opportunity for others to get that gift. What other means to do that if not by preaching? If one doesn't preach and teach, then the person in question doesn't value that gift of everlasting life. ![]() |
rottennaija :Please can the OP point to one publication by Jehovah's Witnesses that mentions the highlighted? Isn't it really obvious now that this misguided young man is seeking undue relevance? ![]() The OP is clearly aware of the beliefs of JW's but for the sake of onlookers who might be misled by his wrong statements, I encourage such ones to visit the following links, read the brief articles and see for themselves whether what the OP said is true about JW's or if he just wants to distort facts. https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/salvation-and-door-to-door-ministry/ https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/door-to-door/
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AkinwaleJJ:You and I both know who you are Lol |
AkinwaleJJ:Are you completely sure of that? ![]() Because me my eye dey reach ground. |
AkinwaleJJ:Well said. . But brother, you haven't introduced yourself oh ![]() I can tell who it is just by seeing how your post is constructed. |
kapelvej :Are Psalm 82:6 & John 10:34-35 in your Bible or do you just want to constitute a nuisance? |
AkinwaleJJ:That's the problem with these churchgoers. They think Jesus will come to this earth and do anything if it wasn't because of Adam's mistake. ![]() Adam's sin and the ransom sacrifice by Jesus aren't mutually exclusive terms in that somebody cannot talk about one without talking about the other. |
Karanka :I don't really know what's been triggering the b/ans by the N/L b/ots recently. I think it's the use of too many n/umbers in one post. Well, the whole Genesis chapter Three account raised several issues about who Jehovah the Creator of the heavens and earth really was. After Satan deceived Eve into disobeying her God, He(Satan) claimed that God was hiding something precious from Adam and Eve—further painting Him to be a bad ruler. Know that before now, God had created millions of angels in heaven(Job Thirty-Eight verse Seven) and they were all observing the scenario on how the whole matter would turn out. If God had immediately destroyed the rebels—Satan, Adam and Eve—then it would make Satan's claim of God being a bad ruler to be true. Other issues were raised too—as to whether humans could successfully rule themselves without God's intervention. Jehovah God knew that he didn't create humans with the ability to rule themselves(Jeremiah Ten verse Twenty-Three) but he has allowed Satan and humans to set up their governments anyway to show to observers that Satan was wrong. Where the descendants of Adam and Eve come into the scenario is when they are to choose between One. Serving JEHOVAH GOD — the One who created human beings and therefore, knows what's best for us. Two. Accepting Satan's ploy for humans to rule themselves in forms of governments under Satan's authority. Those who choose number one are to love Jehovah their God, keep all His statutes and commandments in order that they may have everlasting life. (Deuteronomy Thirty verse Sixteen, Nineteen and Twenty; Psalm Thirty-Seven verse Twenty-Nine; Zephaniah Two verse Two&Three; John Three verse Sixteen) That includes wholeheartedly supporting God's Kingdom that will put an end to all of human governments in the future. (Daniel Two verse Forty-Four) The only group of persons today doing these are Jehovah's Witnesses. (Isaiah Forty-Three verse Ten to Twelve) The Bible tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world. (John Twelve verse Thirty-One, First John Five verse Nineteen) Those who decide to follow Satan's form of rulership are the ones who rely on their own so-called wisdom, accept worldly ideas and thinking, set standards for themselves to follow(just like Adam and Eve chose to do) and all those who are supporting the human governments of this present system of things. The Bible which is God's inspired word also gives us hope that all the havoc today—death, pain, injustice, crime, sickness—that were caused under Satan's authority WILL all be reversed through God's Kingdom. (Revelation Twenty-One verse One to Four) ![]() |
Blabbermouth:When Habakkuk was saddened by all the wrongdoing and violence taking place around him by those who chose to misuse their freewill, he queried Jehovah and asked why He tolerated it. (Habakkuk 1:1-3) What was God's response to him? “For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true.It will not be late!” — Habakkuk 2:3 Yes, we are to be in expectation of that appointed time when the wicked ones will be done away with forever.(Psalm 37:10, Proverbs 2:22) Furthermore, he was inspired to write that “the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah As the waters cover the sea” — Habakkuk 2:14; see also Isaiah 11:9 Yes, under the rulership of God's Kingdom, the obedient human society i.e. the “new earth” will then have sufficient knowledge about Jehovah God—including all of those who would have been resurrected.(Revelation 20:13) Obedient mankind will then be raised to perfection during the Millennial rule—Adamic death, sickness, pain will be a thing of the past.(Revelation 21:3-4) so nobody will have any excuse to misuse his/her freewill then. And since all of them will be aware of Jehovah's righteous standards by then—anyone who decides to flout the standards set will immediately be destroyed.(Isaiah 65:20, Revelation 20:9,15) 1. The darkness, the formlessness, the void, where were they coming from?I don't understand what you mean by this. If it's what I'm thinking it to be—then the answer is simple, Jehovah God had created the heavens and the earth but the earth wasn't fit for inhabitance yet—hence the darkness, void and waters. |
Blabbermouth:Satan was the one who deceived Eve and eventually brought death upon she, Adam and all of mankind. (Romans 5:12) That's why Hebrews 2:14 says that Satan the Devil is “the one having the means to cause death”. It's not as if he's the one doing the killing directly—but he draws people out according to their desires and seduces them into committing sin. It is that sin that brings forth death. (James 1:14,15) 2. Where / in what dispensation did Satan lie?As the Bible would have it—the first lie ever told was the one told by Satan(John 8:44) Jehovah God had specifically told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad and that, if they did eat, they would die. (Genesis 2:17) Along came Satan—using a serpent as a mouthpiece, he asked Eve a trick question and she then recanted the instruction that God had given them. Then Satan told the first lie: “You certainly will not die.”—Genesis 3:4 He didn't stop there. He went on to claim that Jehovah was withholding something precious from them—by doing so, he slandered Jehovah's name and challenged the rightfulness and righteousness of Jehovah's Sovereignty/Supremacy.—Genesis 3:5 3. Will Lies & murder be the reason for Satan going into eternal torment?As for Satan, him being the Chief Slanderer and a Murderer, judgment was already pronounced against Satan as far back as the garden of Eden—for putting up a rebellious attitude and inciting others—angels and humans—to join in the rebellion. Jesus who came to be the promised “seed” would eventually crush the head of the serpent—that is, Satan the Devil—utterly destroying/annihilating him forever in the “lake of fire” which means the “second death” without a possible resurrection.(Compare Genesis 3:15 with Matthew 25:41,46, Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8 and Revelation 20:2,10) |
Maximus69:You didn't notice when he said “FOR ME...”? ![]() He agrees that it's not what the Bible teaches but that it's solely his own opinion. ![]() |
Ken4Christ:Ok So where did you see your “hellfire” in Psalm 16:10 and Acts 2:27? It seems you don't even know why Jesus even died in the first place. Where is this teaching of Jesus going to “hellfire” to conquer found in the Scriptures? |
Ken4Christ:Just leave Jesus out of this and tell me what David is looking for in your outdated “hellfire” ![]() |
Sodiquinone:Read the post up there and stop acting all emotional. The true God is righteous and all his ways are justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4) |
Sodiquinone:It's a parable with a hidden meaning. Only those who want to do God's will are granted the understanding to illustrations as such. (Daniel 12:10, Matthew 13:10-11) |
Sodiquinone:If you need guidance concerning what the Bible truly teaches, you should speak up, put sentiment aside and stop cherry picking verses when you do not understand the entire context. No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:Most people think the Bible is misogynistic, but that is not the case at all. The apostle Paul is not against women He was inspired to state simply—that women should learn in total submissiveness and that they should be in subjection to those taking the lead in the congregation.(1Corinthians 14:34) They should not try to usurp authority from the men in the congregation by any means so that congregational programs can be carried out in order and in accordance with God's arrangement.(1Corinthians 14:33,40) No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:The total destruction of the Amalekites was a long promise by God waiting to be fulfilled by the Israelites. Note that when the Israelites came out from Egypt, instead of the Amalekites to meet them(the Israelites) with bread, water and shelter—they came to wage war against Israel(Exodus 17:8.). As a result, the God of the Israelites who rescued them from Egypt took it very personal and was infuriated and vowed to exterminate the Amalekites completely for their inhumane acts against his people. (Exodus 17:14, 1Samuel 15:2) No. 3: A command of Moses:Among the other Law he gave to the Israelites—he specifically said that “There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead” — Deuteronomy 18:10-11 The above acts and practises are detestable/disgusting to the true God because they involve spiritism/demonism—i.e. communicating with demons(fallen angels who are in opposition to God) So anybody in ancient Israel who willingly practises such acts will pay the ultimate price with their life. It's not debatable. No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137, a psalm which was made into a disco calypso hit by Boney M, is often omitted from readings in church:The ending of Psalm 137:9 involves a whole other prophecy in the book of Revelation chapters 17&18. Understanding context is key. No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:While the full reasons for this act is not known, the concubine was previously unfaithful to the man (Judges 19:2) Since the account of Judges is condensed, we cannot be dogmatic about the reasons for handing her over. No. 6.sword not peaceJesus knew that his teachings would bring divisions amongst family members. That's why he told them beforehand what would come of them if they chose to become his followers. Usually, it's the family members who make it tough and difficult for those who choose to adhere to Bible standards. No. 7: A daughter is burned as an acceptable sacrifice to God.Many people have misconceptions about the account of Jephthah and his daughter. So first, it's worthy to note that God would never ask/accept a burnt human sacrifice—since it's detestable to him. Please read Deuteronomy 18:10 & Jeremiah 7:31 Jephthah fulfilled his promise to his God, namely, that his daughter serve in God's sanctuary for the rest of her life. That's why Judges 11:40 could say that the daughters of Israel would go every year to the sanctuary to speak with Jephthah's daughter. No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:May I ask what you hope to gain lifting scriptures up here and there without considering the whole text? Did Abraham later offer his son up as a sacrifice? C'mon be smart and read up Genesis 22:11-14. Abraham knew that his God was the one who blessed him with Isaac so he also knew that his God had the power to resurrect his son should anything happen to him. It was all a test on Abraham's faith sir. No. 9:The cannibalistic God makes people eat human flesh.God simply said that if the Israelites abandoned his Law and statutes, things would get difficult for them that they would consider eating their children. God wasn't supporting cannibalism. No. 10: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)Were you expecting the Bible to encourage reprisals between slaves/servants and their masters? The Bible—being God's word—always motivates us to maintain healthy relationships anywhere we find ourselves—whether we work for somebody or whether people work for us.(Romans 12:18) That's simply it. You're just the one who's reading the wrong meaning into it. |
Sodiquinone:Lol. How cunning of you. So you'll ignore the verse 11 of that Luke 19 that said Jesus was speaking in illustrations/parables? Your problem should be that you're looking for faults in the Bible even when there aren't any. |
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