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FLYFIRE:
APC has TOTALLY DESTROYED democracy & politics in Nigeria with bitterness & 'AGBEROISM'

I guess Obasanjo who publicly declared that elections are a do or die affair for him and his party was a member of APC?

OBALOLA55:
LIKE OBASEKI AND SOLUDO

Soludo is one of their own.
Is Edo State not presently doomed under Obaseki with tears and regrets by those who voted him? Or you haven't heard that Wike his new godfather has just revealed that he secretly sold Edo Line property in Portharcourt without due process or anyone's knowledge in Edo State? Do you hear of any performance from Obaseki presently except fighting his own PDP for party structure?

Is04970:
While the former governor himself is a senator.

Thanks for this addition.

dapolaw:
Spare us that, didn't it happen in Abia State and even worse?

Don't mind them. They see the spec in Lagos through the log of wood covering the SE.

MyVILLAGEpeople:
What sort of nonsense is this ??. This won’t fly in Igbo land, he should go ask from Okorocha. Thee East is different from Lagos.

I guess the Abia State where ex-governor Theodore Orji's biological son is currently the speaker of the state house of Assembly is not part of the East, right?

chymeze:
I'm not supporting what Aregbe is trying to do either but I feel those who condemn Aregbe openly must first start by condemning the greater evil, Tinubu. If one keeps quiet to what Tinubu is and has been doing in Lagos then I don't think that person has any right to openly condemn Aregbesola for demanding just a quarter of what Tinubu has been doing.

And whom among those condemning Tinubu have you ever seen or heard condemning Theodore Orji who imposed his biological son on his state House of Assembly constituency and also imposed him on Abia State House of Assembly as speaker? Who of them has ever condemned Peter Obi for singlehandedly importing Obiano from Lagos and imposing him on APGA and the entire Anambra State? Rather they are even pushing for Peter Obi presidency. Who of them had condemned the fact that only death can remove Ibori as the ultimate godfather of Delta State politics? Who of them has carpeted Wike for singlehandedly imposing Uche Seconds, his kinsman, as PDP national chairman and again singlehandedly removing him when his continued stay would obviously conflict with zoning principle as regards his running mate ambition to be running mate to the Northerner PDP flagbearer for 2023?
Godfatherism is in every state but only that of Tinubu which is even result oriented is always on top gist. What double standards could be greater than this?

LegendHero:
If I am PDP right now in Osun state, I will not accept Aregbe because that will be an automatic win for Oyetola because Osun people will vote the sentiment of Aregbe trying to lord over Oyetola like Edo people did for Obaseki against Oshiomole.

Aregbe currently is overrated in Osun, he has lost most of his goodwill and he’s now a political orphan judging at recent events.

Go and take public opinion and you’ll understand Aregbesola is finished.

Did Oshiomhole actually try to lotd it over Obaseki? That was a cooked up propaganda to sway the gullible section of the voters who have now been in regret since the scales fell off their eyes as occasioned by Obaseki not being able to initiate any meaningful project for nearly two years now after reelection and the disappearance of the alleged Oshiomhole pressure on him to share the state's resources to party members. As we write, Obaseki has begun to accuse PDP of not allowing him work.

Abdulmumin412:
Is it forbidden for christians in Osun state to contest for gubernatorial election? The three main contestant in APC are Muslims Adeleke of PDP is a christian, or no christian in Osun state again.

The earlier you understand that in Yoruba politics religion is not a factor at all, the better for you.
I am not a Yoruba person, but that won't stop me from acknowledging the fact that Yoruba politics is 100% ideology based. Awolowo whom Yorubas regard as their greatest leader of all time was a Christian. When he handed over Western Region premier position to Samuel Akintola, another Christian, Yoruba moslems didn't complain about it at all as they had assumed that Akintola would follow in Awolowo's pristine ideological footsteps which unfortunately he later derailed from and they treated that fuc.k up of his. When Tinubu annointed Fashola, a moslem like himself and Yorubas' of Lagos State listened to his arguements during campaigns and debates and discovered the wealth of ideology and the soundness of logic in those arguements, BOOM!!!! they fell for his candidacy. In Ondo state since 1999, it has been four Christian governors in succession so far and no moslem in Ondo or any other SW state has ever made any issue out of that.
Even Edwin Clark a SS elder recently acknowledged that the SW is the most sophisticated region politically as their politics is about ideals and ideology rather than mundane concerns like religion et al. Other regions in Nigeria have a lot to learn from the SW as per politics in the context of religion if we truly want the good governance we so espouse all the time.

Jagunlabiodua:
The mistake you IGBOS keep making is confining Yoruba people to South-West, Note that Yoruba is Kogi, Kwara, Delta, Edo, That's over 10 states plus SW . The Yorubas are the largest ethnic group in Nigeria followed by Hausa and then Fulani and then IGBOS, This is why no Tribe in Nigeria can defeat a Yoruba mainstream candidate, everything is with the Yorubas, Education, population, economy, money, entertainment, influencers, influencial OBAs, and off course the real capital of Nigeria which is Lagos. 2023 I see clear victory for a Yoruba president

Could you please tell us the part of Edo State which Yorubas' are indegenous to?

blamingthedevil:
Part of Edo should be there

Which part please?

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sharpsecret:
there is no right for referendum..really?

The unity of Nigeria is perpetual and non-negotiable and as long as there is no provision for secession in our constitution, Ojukwu committed treason for declaring secession..... Nnamdi Azikiwe in an interview in 1975.

Jimasun:
In 2011 when North insisted on completing their term based on zoning, Igbos were at the forefront of "There is no zoning in Nigeria's constitution".
Rest abeg.

I am happy there are people who still remember this vividly.
Ogbulafor stood on principles to insist that if PDP would last long in power, the sacred zoning agreement of the party must be held sacrosanct hence Jonathan should allow a Northerner fly the party's flag in 2011 no matter how inconvenient that might be for Jonathan and his supporter regions, but Jonathan went to mine out a false embezzlement allegation against him and used that to instigate his sack as PDP chairman to the applause of Ogbulafor's own Igbo brothers. The court would later exonerate Ogbulafor of that allegation. So when I now hear the SE talking about equity and fairness as regards zoning, I don't get it at all.

aribisala0:
You can force a union.
That was the point of the American Civil war
That was the point of the Biafra war
The point of the Sri Lanka war
The Chechnya war etc

There is no right to call for a referendum

Why are you like this na? You are obviously trying to be nice with the guy.
You even went too far away in your citations.
You should have just brutally reminded him that his own brother Ojukwu forced a union by crushing Isaac Adaka Boro's Niger Delta Republic declaration and forcing him back to Azikiwe's fraudulent one-Nigeria, that Aguiyi Ironsi forced a union by promulgation of his Anti-secession Decree, and that Azikiwe forced a union by declaring that the unity of Nigeria is perpetual and non-negotiable, and afterwards instigating the British overlords to threaten Awolowo and Enahoro with charges of treason if they would not desist from pushing for secession clause.

OBAGADAFFI:
UCAP was a subsodiary to UBA.

UBA is N8.40 while CAP is N12

A very interesting irony. Just like Transcorp and Transcorp Hotels. Well, they say it is a matter of OS.

While I don't support the buying of stolen property, I think the South African mob members should have given that Nigerian the benefit of the doubt over his promise to refund the money equivalent of the laptop. But more importantly, I have always opined that bad as Nigeria is, I can't leave Nigeria to settle down in another African country. If not for age-long misgovernance, South Africa wouldn't have been comparable to Nigeria in any ramification to warrant Nigerians seeing that country as a place of greener pasture.

currentprice:
Ucap release a good results but we should lower our expectations on the price rise... much of it has been factor into d results, it will be turf task for the stock moving to N20 except the company gives us better than expecting Q1.

based on the result Fp in bedsheet stand at N18.

dividend hunters might push beyond sha but if i have it i will sell around the fp

_{^{to be review at Q1}}

I share your view that it is not likely to climb above N15 given the already factored in result.

Oziens:
If the other regions think they are not good enough to produce the next president and they call for referendum to leave the country, so be it. Why calling for genocide? You cannot force a union if there is no mutual trust, fairness and equality.

Unfortunately, you were the very ones who forced this union with your resistance to Secession clause motions, resistance to Northerners demand to be allowed to exit the union in 1953, promulgation of the infamous Anti-secession Decree in 1966, arrest and sentencing of Isaac Adaka Boro to death by hanging for the quest for this same secession you are asking for today.
Those who deny others freedom don't deserve it themselves...... Abraham Lincoln (16th president of the United States of America)

Corea4king:
Constitution that does not reflect the will of people is that one constitution.

No wonder street urchins like your clan does not want any constitution review because it favours all your almanjiris

Who, in pursuit of a fraudulent national unity and cohesion, destroyed the very first and only we-the-people constitution we ever had in Nigeria?

phoneport:
The Ibos have really sacrificed alot for a country that does not give a dem about them.

The state Nigeria is now, a northern or southern presidency will not solve any shit, NIGERIANS needs a Sovereign National Conference of the entire blocks, to decide their next phase as a nation.

What Igbos' sacrificed for is PDP and not the Nigeria which they have been terming a zoo and devil's own country. Ironically it is the PDP calling the bluff of them now but strangely they are reluctant to call PDP out and demand from PDP what the party morally owes them. Why are Igbos' so afraid of the PDP? Why now speaking as of Nigeria is synonyms with the PDP that has used and dumped them?

mrvitalis:
No body is threatening anyone ...just making our position known ...we all agreed on zoning now it's our turn you want to change it ?

It's not by force to be in one country simple

Zoning was changed by Jonathan with you folks' support.

Saddening. It could have been anyone. Something just has to be done about these Dangote drivers or else these sad stories will continue. The way they speed and drive recklessly even on roads within towns evokes a shudder talkless of on highways.

Essence20:
Igbos do not hate APC, so there's no need of renouncing any hatred. The fact that PDP had a strong hold in southeast doesn't mean Igbos hate APC. APC is gaining massive support in SE as the year go by: 2 states out of 5 in SE are controlled by APC, so where is the hatred? Moreover this is no more about party affiliations, it's about doing all that's necessary to keep Nigeria one.

The APC governors in the SE got to office not through the votes of the people but by defection and Supreme Court verdict. Imo State has known no peace since APC got power there. We now know that UGM came into existence out hatred for Uzodinma and his party in Imo State. Umahi has become hated and insulted everyday by Igbos for defecting to the APC even though he is moving mountains with extremely meagre resources at his disposal. Should APC give him ticket and PDP gives to a Fulani man, Umahi is sure to be thoroughly defeated by that Fulani man in the SE. Even now that Igbos are asking for APC ticket at the center, APC still loses any election it features in in the SE. The last two instances were Orji Uzor Kalu's constituency and Anambra Guber election in which Anambra elders publicly announced that voters could vote for APGA or PDP but never APC. In fact a curse was placed on whoever would vote for APC. Joe Igbokwe's house in Nnewi was recently burnt down and he was threatened not to visit home for last year's yuletide or else get murdered just because he exercises his freedom of association right to belong to the APC. A young APC supporter was recently murdered in Anambra State. You can claim that Igbos don't hate APC but actions speak louder than words. I belong to a lot of WhatsApp groups dominated by Igbos and one common thing with all of them is the preponderance of anti-APC posts even till right now that the PDP has made it clear that its ticket is not going to the SE. So spare us your false claims of Igbos' love for APC.
Your insinuation that an Igbo presidency will salvage Nigeria is laughable because in actual fact Nigeria got derailed into this dysfunctional state on occasion of being ruled by Aguiyi Ironsi - an Igbo man.

Princkez:
Ucap on full bid @12

How times change. UCAP and Africa Prudential were listed same time with Africa Prudential almost double UCAP in price but the reverse is now the case and UCAP keeps climbing higher while Afriprud remains static at 6+

OfoIgbo:
So Zik that started off registering in a party founded by a Yoruba man Herbert Macaulay, what do you say about that.

Also Mbazulike Amaechi has already cleared the air on this touted east west alliance. As Awolowo was secretly negotiating with Zik, Awolowo was also negotiating with Ahmadu Bello, all in an attempt to be a smart ass, and double-cross Zik or Bello.

Zik and Bello eventually found out, which was why both men abandoned their individual negotiations with Awolowo and opted to form their own alliance.

So yet again, Awolowo was trying to be smarter than his shadow and lost out.

Anyway, I am still waiting for you people to reel out the sitting southern presidents that Igbos work hard to replace with Fulani presidents.

Yorubas slavishly worked with Fulanis to undermine a southern president in 2015. That record is permanently cast

Zik started from NYM and not NCNC. He actually caused a division in NYM thus setting sail the disunity of the South. He then maliciously crossed over to the NCNC and on being about to relinquish leadership of the NCNC he picked an Igbo man like himself as successor rather than pick a Yoruba or aNiger Delta person in furtherance of the Southern Unity spirit in pursuit of which the Yoruba founder and pioneer leader allowed him succeed him.

Azikiwe himself said it in his book "My Odyssey" that his decision to reject the proposed all-South alliance was founded on his belief that an alliance cutting across North and South was better for national unity in addition to being a sacrifice he had to make to keep the North in Nigeria as he had assumed, albeit wrongly, that Northerners would seek to exit Nigeria if their demand for power at independence was not granted. Harold Smith clarified it all in his explanations many years after.
Akintola was the one who went up North to negotiate with Ahmadu Bello and for that he didn't receive any instructions or blessings from Awolowo who was rather in Asaba seeking alliance with Azikiwe in order that the impending dangerous domination of the North over the South might be averted and their born to rule philosophy crushed in the bud. Please recall that even before independence, i.e. in 1957, the colonial overlords had already set up a shadow government with Balewa as prime minister and Akintola having a ministerial portfolio in it hence Akintola was already used to working with Northerners for the filthy lucre of office at the center, so it wasn't unexpected for him to want to continue that way into post independence era even on the altar of sacrificing the interest of his own Yoruba people. In fact Akintola would later make it clear during the Western Region crisis that Awolowo's rejection of an alliance with the North was the root cause of the mutual rivalry between both of them and also responsible for the Yorubas' relegation to opposition status. Akintola hated seeing Igbos and stupidly envied them for being the ones in alliance with Fulanis at the center without knowing that it actually portended danger for them.
If Awolowo actually ever sought alliance with the North while also hypocritically doing so with the East, then why did Zik, four years later, approach him for the UPGA coalition at the time Balewa was offering him the deal of being released from prison on the condition that he buried his quest for East-West coalition for a North-West one?

On the issue of Jonathan, it is not just about having a Southerner as president on seat but about that Southern president pursuing the interest of the South. Jonathan was supported by Yorubas in 2011 when it appeared to them and indeed all Southerners that his candidacy was going to salvage the South from the age-long economic domination by the North. Even myself, a non-Yoruba, had wrongly assumed that as someone from the region hardest hit by the unjust unitary system, Jonathan would do all his humanly possible best to make restructuring a reality. But you and I know that on getting elected, he did exactly the opposite and began to please the North at the expense of the South. Why do you Igbos hate the likes of Joe Igbokwe, Okorocha, Hope Uzodinma, Kalu etc and would never support their presidential ambitions? Isn't it because they are obviously doing the biddings of Northerners despite being your fellow Igbos?
And didn't Festus Odimegwu campaign viciously against Jonathan? Didn't Ogbulafor resist the idea of Jonathan contesting at all in 2011?

Above all, there is actually nothing like Southern president given the fact that Azikiwe had long ago shattered Southern unity at independence. So what we have is the North aligning with the old Eastern Region against Yorubas or aligning with Yorubas against the old Eastern Region. Igbos aligned with Northerners to prevent Abiola from being inaugurated despite having won a free and fair presidential election and that record is cast too.

Eastlink:
Yes I agree that IPOB agitation was politically feathered and Jonathan loss was just an excuse used to launch tirades against a lot of persons and tribes. I also believe Nnamdi Kanu hijacked genuine Igbo concerns turning it into a demonic scheme against Igbos and non-Igbos alike. Infact the major sufferers of his agitation are Ndigbo. From beating up Ekweremadu to using his thugs to shut oppositions in the south-east. So IPOB on a face level are not fighting for Igbo interest.

Even Uwazuruike too wasn't all about Igbo interest with his MASSOB. Even though he brought to the fore Igbo marginalization, he still used his office to denigrate Ndigbo with scams and mass death on Igbo youths. And even if we agree that MASSOB was genuine, we saw how they were vilified by some ethnic groups who felt threatened by his movement. Despite MASSOB agitation, Igbos got bypassed by the political establishment for the south-south due to the real business of mass destruction and insurgency by the militants.

Could you cite instances of villification of MASSOB and Uwazurike by other ethnicities? If anything, all Nigerians carpeted Obasanjo for arresting and detaining the leader of a peaceful and non-violent secession movement. I particularly began to incurably hate Obasanjo because of that. It was the coming of Kanu and his dishonest historical narratives mixed with insult on other tribes and regions that watered down the concern of other tribes for the Igbo Question.

Karlirk:
With due respect, I think your argument is skewed.

At best, ( as I do not have enough strength to re-state the obvious) Kindly allow them, assuming you possess the power to do so, to exit Nigeria. It is as simple as that.

Did you conduct a census to find out the percentage of Igbo people who are abusing other ethnic groups, assuming also that others don't abuse.

Whether you like it or not, your country needs to heal or prepare for continued political instability. I is as simple as that.

I don't have the time to argue the obvious. I believe you already know the truth but are hindered by deep-seated hatred. Looks like the Igbos invaded the whole Northern Nigeria and murdered the entire people. Your sense of history is also poor, and baised.

I think it is Buhari amd APC that divided Nigeria beyond repair. The issue of whether the Igbos deserve the Presidency would have been unnecessarily insignificant were Yar Adua still in power.

Whether you like it or not, this singular issue will disintegrate Nigeria now or in the near future if it is not well handled.

You should be realistic in your orientation and not blinded by ethnic jingoism.

And I re-state my position, the Igbos are a very significant percentage of the population and cannot be sidelined forever. It is not politically intelligent to hand over power to the South West or South South because it is absolutely unstrategic in managing the diversity of the country for long.

Do not look at the voting population as it is grossly misleading; look at the actual human population, compare it with other tribal groups in the country. Forget the balkanisation of the country into the 6 political zones.

And it seems your mind is also clouded by illusions. Have your given an Igbo person power and he/she goes after your people. This is unimaginable hatred of the highest quantity.

You are just blinded by deep-seated hatred, which is heavily repulsive for a person of your intellect (judging by your ability to string a few English words together).

You are either trying to be clever by half or just being plain dishonest. Igbos had always been complaining of injustice against them far before APC was ever born. The average Igbo man's baseless hatred for APC could even make him accuse the party of amalgamation of Nigeria and also blame the party of advising Gowon to go to war with Ojukwu even though the party was yet unknown then. Else how can an educated person say in a public forum with a straight face that Nigeria began to witness division under APC? Were the Northerners' allegations of marginalization under Obasanjo (PDP) evidences of national unity or Uwazurike's secession push under the same PDP? What of centrifugal tendencies like BH, Niger Delta Militancy, Birom versus Fulani raids, the very divisive Sharia agitations, etc which all started right under the PDP?
Injustice in Nigeria started when Igbos as a people chose not to denounce but celebrate the selective killing of the political leaders of all other regions while allowing theirs escape. What you see and complain of today all have their roots in that singular event hence no honest person would expect healing without starting it from the remotest origin of the mutual hatred.
After Mandela got elected into office, he declared that he had on his own personally forgiven those who passed him through his ordeal but that his personal forgiveness for them can never automatically be representative of the feelings of other South Africans who suffered oppression under the Apartheid imperialists and their fifth columnists among indegenous South African, so he set up a truth and reconciliation committee to work on national healing. Note the importance of the word "truth" in the title of the committee. This tells you that no genuine healing ever takes place without looking at the facts and remotest causes of the animosity and punishment for those who committed those acts. Obasanjo's Oputa panel didn't really heal Nigeria in the end because there were no punishment meted out to those who were indicted of those past injustices that were unearthed by the testifying victims unlike that of South Africa by which those found guilty of injustices against innocent politicians or civilians were either punished or left to walk away free depending on what their victims wanted.

Essence20:
Yeah, they have every right to contest but it's only when they are given the platform that they will have a chance of winning. In the spirit of equity and fairness, it's expected that each of the major geopolitical regions be given a chance to the presidency. Others have had theirs, some even more than once. Last 2105, PDP zoned presidency to the north, reason why their primaries was dominated by northerners only. This zoning is meant to go round and is southeast turn, why are they reluctant to do the needful? Same in APC.

APC's reluctance is built on the
strange and wondrous observation that rather than being up in arms against PDP for the party's decision to throw its 2023 ticket open against the expectation of zoning it exclusively to the Igbos who have willingly slaved for the party amidst suicidal sacrifices, and made lots of enemies for themselves in defense of it for the past 23 years, the Igbos seem not perturbed about this glaring injustice and cold hearted wickedness against them by the PDP.
Now assume that a person who hates you and always wishes you death in addition to making assassination attempts on you now happens to be intentionally ill-treated and seriously injured by your very enemy whom he has always loved unconditionally, then he turns around to arrogantly demand from you a compensation for the ill-treatment he suffered under that enemy of yours without renouncing his hatred for you and acknowledging that he had always loved the wrong person, would you really offer him that compensation? Think about it.

OfoIgbo:
Haven't you seen the Yoruba god Tinubu, bowing profusely to Buhari?

Didn't you notice your people lick Fulani ass and falling over themselves to vote out the only ever SS president in 2015 in preference for a Fulani dullard and terrorist?

Haven't you noticed that Ilorin, which ought to be a Yoruba territory, is currently led traditionally by a Fulani emir?

Shouldn't the three questions I asked above be a guide as to which ethnic group idolizes the Fulanis in Nigeria?

So the Zik and Okpara who pioneered the idolization of Fulanis in Nigeria by way of rejection of the proposed all-South alliance that would have made he himself the Prime Minister at independence but chose to opt for an East-North alliance which he clearly knew would place him on the position of a slave to the Great grandson of Usman Dan Fodio the foremost Fulani Jihadust were not Igbos? What of Arthur Nzeribe and Uche Chukwumerijie who decided to swim against the popular tide to serve Abacha a Fulani despot and dictator at a time their mates from other tribes took a principled stand against Abacha's monumental and unparalleled misrule in Nigerian history?
You must be a comedian.

Walkee:
was there no Boko Haram in 2011?
Was there no militants in 2015?

The thing tire me o. These people go just dey form stories wey no gel. And na so Dem sabi shift goalpost die.

Walkee:
no, blackmail didn't get anyone anything. In 1999, military and northerners wanted Obasanjo, Yorubas didn't even want him. In 2011 Jonathan won because he was already an incumbent and the oppositions was divided. In 2015 Buhari played smart by aligning with ACN and other small small parties. Go and check Buhari's votes since 2003. If ACN, CPC and nPDP didn't work together and build alliance there's no way Buhari would have won.
Jonathan only became president because his boss died not because of militants

Your last line is what I have been hammering. Jonathan presidency was an accidental one as we all know that Yaradua wouldn't have ever supported him to succeed him considering the fact that Yaradua never formally handed over power to Jonathan in any of the numerous instances when he travelled to Saudi Arabia or Germany for medical attention.

frankson1:
The Elders didn't mention the party tht should give them the ticket. I doubt if they would want the Fulani and Almajiri party to give them the slot.

Only PDP and APGA owe them the moral obligation of giving them ticket. I don't except them to accept the ticket of the APC they have consistently described as the devil's own party. If PDP can't exclusively zone her ticket to the SE, then no other party should.