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onuman:
They must know that Tinubu is not a good candidate for the presidential seat.

Muslim never succeeded Muslim in Nigeria's presidential seat. Christian never succeded a Christian, either.

It's the turn of the Igbo in the east to produce a successor to President Buhari.

Tinubu can't ask for rotation to enable the south to produce a successor to President Buhari, but denies rotation for the southern regions now that it's the turn of the Igbo to present a successor to President Buhari.

Governor Wike of Rivers State and cousin to Ndigbo was the first to publicly declare that he wouldn't mind having the Igbos' beloved party, PDP, zone her 2023 ticket to the North if that is how the party could return to power. That was and still remains the most insensitive and most undermining attitude to the Igbo 2023 presidency hope and agitation. But till today no single Igbo man online or offline has condemned him. All that you Igbos rather have focused on is the Tinubu who has not made any negative statement against the Igbo 2023 presidency project. How you guys manage to sleep well with all these misplaced emotions is what remains a puzzle to me. Has Tinubu stopped any Igbo man from contesting? Is Tinubu the PDP which is reluctant to reward Ndigbo for their 22 year old servitude, unquestioning loyalty and masochistic dedication to the party? Shouldn't the law of natural justice dictate that Ndigbo demands their ticket from the PDP which they so much love and in defense of which they have insulted other tribes and made enemies for themselves since 1999 till date? Why exactly is the PDP reluctant to just zone her ticket to the SE and why is the SE itself not bothered about that but seeking to reap from Tinubu and their enemy APC what it has not been able to get from where it has been sowing abundantly since 1999? I don't understand the logic at all.

Prince001:
That's why I prefer Yoruba Nation! Cos we will be able to deal with d rogues people among us!!!!!!!!

By all standards Obasanjo was the rogue and that explains why the generality of the Yoruba nation rejected him at the polls and till today I give kudos to Yorubas for voting so much based on principles. Only a person who didn't want a clean breakaway from the ugly past anchored on the near four decade destructive military rule would even contemplate voting for a morally burdened Obasanjo in preference for the Olu Falae who had an unblemished personality and sterling performance record in the public service. But I was disappointed in Yorubas when some of them later suddenly changed tune and, in the typical Nigerian ethnic sentiments, became fans of Obasanjo.

Prince001:
No, especially in South West we didn't vote for OBj and he made us paid for it by denying us especially Lagos in a lot infrastructure project. IBB is evil for life since he annulled free and fair election in 1994 he set us back for life. He should be in prison, how can that kind of person be consulted for democracy aspects?
Northerner hand picked OBJ from prison to come and rule in 1999 to quenched our position due to d annulment and kiliing of MKO. Naija democracy is doomed until they changed that evil constitution presented to us by military people wowwww just imagine!!!!!!

But SW would later queue behind him in 2003 to the extent that the Afenifere party AD refused to produce a candidate to contest against him. Even when Olu Falae was in court against him in 1999 Afenifere mounted pressure on him to withdraw the case and he couldn't help it. So?

Prince001:
I hope so oo cos I just don't understand my people sometimes. They can see clearly how Tinubu turn Lagos to his company and same person went to meet d person that brought the whole country to d mess we are today IBB. In a sane world IBB will still be in Prison not to talk of consulting a man that drag democracy into d mud beyond repair.
How can someone consult this bastard and heartless person called IBB, anyway birds of same feather flocks together.Tinubu is heartless too, just remember his comment after d END SARS protest!!!!!!
We should stop suffering and smiling attitude ooo. Say NO to heartless politicians!!!!!!!!

But the same IBB brought Obasanjo to you in 1999 without even consulting you yet you voted massively for Obasanjo and again in 2003. So is it that IBB only became evil and useless after 2003?

seborrhic:
This is the funniest thing I have heard this year.
I give you an eg:there have been persistent rumours that Tinubu had a hand in the death of Funsho Williams,a stronger politician than he was back then.Has it stopped him from being the godfather of Lagos today?I bet even some family members of Williams may even be amongst his staunch supporters.
Nigerian politics is not determined by any principle or animosity, just selfish desire

The children of Funsho Williams don't even believe that Tinubu had a hard in their fathers assassination. They have always suspected the PDP and that explains why they submitted their father's Lagos development plan to Fashola in order to spite PDP, and Fashola would reciprocate by naming Western Avenue after Funsho Williams.
The poser is also there as to how really possible that the investigation ordered by Obasanjo into the probe fingered Tinubu and Obasanjo quietly swept it all under the carpet back then.
Even Jimmy Agbaje, on dumping the AC in 2007, would reject the PDP offer to him to join them and get their ticket to contest against Fashola in 2011 but Agbaje replied that he would likely be the next Lagos politician to be buried after Funsho Williams if he accepted that offer as at that time. How people are wanting to twist the whole Funsho Williams murder for political capital against Tinubu right now only shows how desperate Nigerians could be and how low they could go in rewriting even very recent history.

nairavsdollars:
Now Tinubu has lost this election..South West people won't forgive him for visiting the man who betrayed MKO Abiola for endorsement

You forgot that Obasanjo who said Abiola was not the messiah and even made mockery of the June 12 struggle would later become the darling of some SW people especially those in PDP. You forgot that Obasanjo won Bayelsa and Benue by a landslide in 2003 after sending troops to massacre over 5,000 civilians combined in both Odi and Zakibiam in 1999.
You forgot that after Igbos were murdered in thousands in Jos and Kano in 1945 and 1953 respectively, Igbos would prefer an alliance with the North just seven years later .
You seem not to understand what governs choices in Nigerian politics.

Kobojunkie:
Go back through my previous post and read to understand what was written before responding
All those who belong to God , to this very day, are those who are taught directly by God Himself, not by men or mogs.

As for the source of Paul's inspiration, I haven't said a thing about him being inspired by the devil. Instead, i have tried to put it to you that it matters for not what he was inspired by this since we are not call to trust and obey the words of Paul, but instead the Words of Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Law in the Kingdom of God.

How exactly do MOGs not belong to God? And how exactly do you determine who belongs to God and who doesn't without running the risk of the sin of being judgemental?
Jesus disciples once came to him and reported a man whom they saw casting out demons in His name without belonging to their group, but Jesus scolded them and made them understand that belonging to God has nothing to do with being among them physically. People listened to John The Baptist and took his words for the truth far before they ever knew Jesus meaning that these people didn't need to wait to see Jesus or hear from him first before believing what John The Baptist was saying about him.
John The Baptist was older than Jesus physically hence never sat down under Jesus to learn a thing yet he was a credible source of the message Jesus was about to bring.
The Ethiopian Eunuch was reading the scriptures but didn't understand until a follower of Jesus met him and explained to him. It is not in all cases that you can have access to Jesus directly. It must be through his already existing followers who would introduce you to the scriptures and nurture you in it till you become fully spiritually developed to stand on your own.

Kobojunkie:
I believe you misconstrue the message of what Paul revealed to you there by his statement in Galatians 1 vs 11 - 12, and this probably because you don't understand the details of the New Covenant.

In Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34, God revealed that in His New Agreement with Israel, that He alone would be Teacher to those who belong to Him - No longer would a man have to look to his neighbor to learn about God. Jesus Christ echoed the same instruction in His Gospel when He decreed that none of His followers set themselves up as Teachers over any of His own - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 - submitting that those who belong to Him are taught only by the Father - John 6 vs 45 -46

So, what Paul said is correct as far as all those who belong to Jesus Christ. They are not taught by men but by God Himself. What this means is, as Jesus Christ said, anyone who trained under any man/pastor/mog is not of God but of his master, the one who he trained under and so has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

So rather than look to Paul for your training, I suggest you look beyond Paul and begin to seek training directly from Jesus Christ, the one who is meant to be your only Teacher and Master from the moment you enter into His Kingdom.

That said, as I already mentioned, Judas was also taught by Jesus Christ, but we all know that Judas rejected the teachings in the end.

And didn't Paul declare that he was taught directly by Jesus Christ?
You obviously misconstrue teaching with instructions.
For example, if I tell you that it is bad to kill, you would reject my message because you never saw me sitting physically with Jesus Christ and learning from him? You would argue that no one should believe me but rather look up to Jesus?
So just because the contents of the books of Acts to Revelation weren't Jesus' own direct words, then the instructions, admonitions and end time warnings in them should be disregarded? May I ask you if anything in those books run contrary to the overall theme of Christ's messages as recorded in the gospels? Jesus gathered these people together, poured the Holy Spirit on them to teach them as he had promised, and then sent them out to speak under the influence of that Holy Spirit yet you are still arguing that their messages and teachings were inferior to Christ's? Do you recall that Jesus specially commanded them never to leave Jerusalem until he had sent them the Holy Spirit? Have you ever wondered why? It is simply because Jesus knew that they would teach their own personal opinions as his message if they were to start evangelizing without first receiving the promised Spirit of truth. So it follows that after receiving the Holy Spirit their personal opinions had become replaced with an accurate knowledge of truth which they could thereafter spread throughout the earth. So why still doubt their authority? And how exactly do you look up to Jesus without it being through the very scriptures taught you by the apostles and many later day followers of Christ?
Did you see Christ or hear from him directly when he was physically present on earth?
If we are to take your Jeremiah citation in the context of your own position, then even Jesus Christ was not qualified to be believed because the passage clearly said "God alone" would teach his followers.

My argument about the message in Galatians is that Paul was not taught by any man but by Christ himself and through a kind of revelation contrary to your earlier claim that all follower must undergo training under a mortal man like him hence no one could be later do better than the one who trained him.
In all, you have been arguing that Paul was inspired by the devil in his messages but now you have brought up an old Testament passage to claim that Paul's declaration in Galatians 1:12 was correct on the strength of the fact that Jesus himself taught Paul. So how then could Jesus have Himself taught Paul and yet Paul would later be inspired by the devil as you claim? Is Jesus same as the devil? Your beliefs are not consistent.

Kobojunkie:
Even Judas trained , and was sent out at some point to preach and heal in the name of Jesus, this before his final betrayal. His words were at one time also "inspired" by Jesus Christ, but he is the ultimate example for why never to trust the words of the servant over that of the Master.

My point is, Paul, like every other follower of Jesus Christ out there is a servant and will never take the place of the master, whose teachings and commandments we are all to live by and teach others. Jesus Christ never instructed anyone to trust in and obey His servants/followers. He instead called us all to Trust in and obey Him and Him alone.

Paul himself said he never underwent any training about the New Way under anyone but as an impartation from the Holy Spirit (Galatians 1:12), and that is very true considering the facts that:

1. Paul himself didn't author the book of Acts in which Paul's tutelage-lacking conversion and spiritual growth was stated.

2. After arresting him on his way to Damascus, Jesus immediately told him that he would be a witness onto him before the gentile nations and didn't ask him to go and learn under anyone first.

2. Jesus directed him to the House of Ananias and told him specifically that it is only for the purpose of restoration of his sight and nothing else.

3. The time between Paul's conversion and when he hit the streets witnessing was a question of few days which we all know is too short a time for anyone totally new to a movement could acquire such immense level of knowledge about that movement except there is a supernatural source for his inspiration.


Now, your arguement that a servant can't become better than his master is of limited veracity in physical things let alone in spiritual matters.
First of all, Jesus never regarded his followers as his servants but as fellow brothers in his father's vineyard. So the question of a servant not being able to do greater than his master doesn't even arise here in the first instance. Secondly, Jesus himself said it clearly that those who believe in him (not some imaginary and unscriptural servants) would do greater things than himself. John 14: 12 - 14

Your claim that Paul's messages were inspired by the Devil is too laughable. Here is what Jesus himself said of Paul in Acts 9:15;

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for I have chosen him as a vessel to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

So a person whom Jesus declared that he himself specifically chose as his own vessel with the special task of spreading his gospel would later be inspired by the Devil to speak against Christ and God would allow him so much liberty to do so to the extent that the letters he wrote from prisons while suffering as Christ had earlier on revealed, would find their way into the final compilation of Christ's own book of the New Testament, and God's own powers of signs and wonders would keep following that same man (now being inspired by the devil) to the extent that prisons were shattered by the Holy Spirit for his freedom in Philipi after casting away the spirit of the same devil from a possessed girl, and so many other manifestations of Gods power? Do the spirits of God and that of the devil dwell in the same body simultaneously?
Just in pursuit of your unscriptural belief you chose to present the works of the spirit of God as an inspiration from the Devil. You are not different from those who accused Jesus of being inspired by the evil spirit of Belzebub just because Jesus' messages didn't harmonize with their sentiments and personal and unscriptural opinions of what righteousness should entail.

I guess Paul was also inspired by the devil in his upbraiding of Peter over the latter's attempt to discriminate between Jews and gentiles in Rome or so?
Then the devil was as well the one speaking through Paul while he wrote his two letters to the church in Corinth condemning them for incest, disorderliness in the church during the Eucharist, etc?
The devil also inspired Paul to list out the fruits of the spirit which you yourself have come to believe in? And in all of that the Holy Spirit never departed from him.
Your last lines are amusing.
Jesus never said that his servants' words should not be trusted. There is no such admonition credited to Jesus anywhere in the bible. In fact Jesus even said his genuine followers would speak on his behalf before kings and powers. He promised to send them the Holy Spirit who would inspire them and teach them what to say on his behalf. Even the Books of Matthew, Mark Luke and John which obviously serve as your only trusted souce of Jesus: own words were written not by Jesus himself but by his followers who could have doctored them with inspirations from the devil in the process of writing at least going by your arguement that his servants' are not perfect hence prone to error or the devil's inspiration. So why then do you so believe in the contents of the four gospels alone despite the accounts in them were equally written by Christ's prone-to-devil-inspiration servants who were just as much servants as Paul who wrote the Epistles you denounce as devil inspired?
I will only advise you to read the Bible all over again with an open and independent logical mind of your own.

chigonye:
I sincerely hope you're not lobbying for Tinubu to be the next president. I sincerely hope not.!

So the need not to lobby for Tinubu grants one the license to tell a barefaced lie against him with a straight face?
And you think the Atiku you are lobbying for is better than Tinubu, right? Recall that the Obasanjo you lobbied for in 1999 and again in 2003 despite his very terrible records as Military HOS would later disclose that Atiku is too corrupt to be allowed to govern Nigeria. He added that Atiku has no atom of morality in him, believes in cutting corners, stole as much money under him as would be enough to feed 400 million Nigerians for 300 years, etc.
Tinubu has never held a federal office hence one is always at loss as to how you lots just hate him and demonize him while whitewashing the likes of Atiku who is known to have grossly abused a federal position to enrich himself and his cronies by way of cornering Nigeria's choiciest assets through the fraudulent privatization exercise he supervised as BPE head. Even the Yaradua you all lobbied for in 2007 had the baggage of fraudulent private ownership of a federal government project right at that moment. Till now I am not able to get any rational, facts based and compelling logical argument as to what qualified Obasanjo, Yaradua and Jonathan and disqualifies Tinubu. All I hear are insults
and mundane jabs like brown teeth, he is from Iragbiji in Osun State, he is a drug baron, he is a Fulani slave, he is too old, etc all built on the resentment that he exercised his constitutionally guaranteed freedom of association by way of breaking ranks with Jonathan in the build up to 2015 elections forgetting the fact that without his support in 2011 Jonathan would likely not have ever become president beyond Yaradua's remaining 1.5 years. I am still waiting for the day a Tinubu hater will give me compelling facts as to what moral consideration qualifies Atiku and disqualifies him from seeking office of president.

Bridget95:
I don't hate Tinubu, i feel that an old man of his standing should be an elder statesman not a presidential aspirant

The constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria doesn't support your view. Please recall that when Northern PDP caucus wanted to use the party's zoning agreement to block Jonathan from contesting, the courts simply told them that the constitution is supreme and doesn't recognize any zoning arrangement. Likewise the constitution doesn't recognize any maximum age limit for anyone aspiring for any office. Moreover, we currently have youthful governors like Yahaya Bello, Ikpeazu, and others in the past like Lucky Igbinedion, James Ibori, etc who long made us understand that good governance doesn't automatically come with youthfulness.
Atiku is older than Tinubu and he too is likely to emerge as a contestant and the constitution doesn't forbid his ambition too on account of age. Obasanjo was well over 70 when he sought second term. Then as at when he sought third term he was close to 80 but his bid for third term was rejected not because he was already too old but because he had failed to govern well as was expected.

Bridget95:
we can't continue in the past ,there is a campaign to get a vibrant, energetic and young leader for Nigeria. We do not need the old demented men who have looted and mismanaged states .

Unfortunately, that Nigeria where voting will be by the pristine ideals you espouse is yet to come and is a far way off. As long as what matters most to Nigerians in their choice of leaders is religion and ethnicity which disguise as zoning, we will have to remain with those who looted us as they alone have the means to buy ethno-regional sentiments. Moreover the argument that a people who with their own hands and open eyes chose to start a journey of nation building on a wrong foot can later on just abandon that route for the actually better one they deliberately refuse to follow is not really possible. Americans never started their nation building on a wrong footing by deliberately voting for the wrong persons with the hope that sometime in future they will just be able to stop it. They rather made hard, uncommon but correct choices right from the very beginning and the result is their envious level of development today. Our choices of Obasanjo in 1999 and Yaradua in 2007 only showed that Nigerians simply don't know what it really takes to build a nation, and that has not changed even till now.

Bridget95:
At the detriment of Nigeria? Why would you want someone with dementia to lead a big country like Nigerian with a million problems. In all honesty Nigeria is not Lagos state.

Didn't Yaradua who contested from his sickbed in Saudi Arabia win and lead the country while battling with his terminal illness alongside and till today majority of Nigerians still keep on regreting that death cut short that his lackluster administration of sickness and frequent medical tourism by which he wouldn't even hand over power to his deputy Jonathan before leaving even though he knew he would be away for long? Democracy is about what the majority want regardless of whether such choice makes common sense or not.
In 1999 majority of Nigerians from the North, SE and SS combined voted massively for Obasanjo even though it was a rather senseless choice against the background that unlike Obasanjo who was part of the foundation of Nigeria's problems and was guilty of countless anti-people policies as Military HOS and destructive antecedents even after retirement from the army, his contender, Chief Olu Falae, was glowing with a sterling and unblemished record of public stewardship and had never been accused of mismanaging public funds or of any treasonable offense. So if you assume it is common sense that guides people's choices in democracy especially in Nigeria, then you need a refresher course in the political history of Nigeria.

yommen:
See as you dey mess up yourself! That's not trouser but shokoto. You might even refer to the top as shirt, right? Moreso, that picture was snapped 23 years ago. So, go and pack all the pictures around you taken towards year 1999 and begin to compare. Some youths of ours lack critical thinking ability. They just talk which is too bad.

You just said it all. That guy seems to have forgotten that as of 1999 tiny and short trousers used to be derided as Fulani Herdsmen trousers hece people preferred baggy ones. He obviously lacks the knowledge that fashion is a thing of cycles and seasons.

jaxxy:
So deputy Cbn governor is nothing to u?? Bt mobil treasurer is Smtn??

He has been in fight for good governance since joining politics even after loosing.

Many people fought against the military junta of abacha and tinubu wasn’t one of them. Tinubu wasn’t even a member of nadeco. Tinubu was shopping for appointments under abacha like a nicodemus at night.

How some persons manage to sleep soundly at night after telling obvious lies with a straight face is what I still don't understand.

Tinubu who, like other NADECO members went into exile is the one someone is accusing here of seeking for appointments under Abacha. So Tinubu was overseas seeking for appointments from the same Abacha he ran away from? I can't believe that hate for no good reason can make someone go this far in telling barefaced lie against someone else. This one is beyond politics.

Kobojunkie:
How so?

Go and read the passage concerning Paul's conversion. Jesus Himself arested him and commanded him to go witnessing about Him. So Paul's evangelism message was all given to him by Jesus Himself who ordered him to take up that duty after arresting him on the way to Damascus.

Kobojunkie:
I don't worship Paul and his views are his and his alone. I came for Jesus Christ and He is God's Law to me and hence the one I answer to.

Paul's words weren't his personal views but by inspiration from Jesus.
Jesus never commanded anyone to change Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday. His later followers did yet you too worship on Sundays today. Why?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ is the one who pointed out that these doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) which pretend to include ideas about His message as nothing but lies meant to delude and deceive people away from following the Truth of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

2. Jesus Christ never gave an man power or authority to add or remove laws or ritual celebrations in His name. It is against God for any man to add or remove laws or statues to or from His Law.

There are no such things as Christian holidays this because Jesus Christ never instituted any such for those in His Kingdom. Christmas, Easter etc., are all pagan holidays and to be celebrated as such.

3. So, according to you, without inserting God's name into the act, Modecai established a pagan(without God's name) national holiday called Purim which is celebrated by jews to this day. If Modecai did not see fit to instead God's name into the celebration, why do you now want to drag His name into it?

4. And this where the problem lies as far as your understanding of Christianity. Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant agreement which He promised through His prophets to the children of Israel, with which to bless the Nations of the world with. Unlike the Old Covenant Law of Moses which came with 613 commandments and statutes, God sent Jesus Christ with a light yoke and an easy burden for us to bear - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30.

Much like the Old Covenant however, the new Covenant comes complete with blessings, curses, commandments (about 100 of them) ,ritual and promises - eternity in the Kingdom of God(Heaven or Hell)- to boot. And also like the Old Covenant, the key to God's Kingdom is obedience.

So, as Jesus Christ made clear, those who love Him are those who Trust in and obey His commandments- John 14 vs 15 - 25.

5. You are in this world and so even the cloths you were are of this world aka Pagan. Most of the food you eat are produced by Pagans are they not. There is nothing wrong with engaging the pagan world around you so long as you don't pretend you do so in the Name of God.

There is nothing, for instance, wrong with celebrating Pagan holidays like Christmas or Easter or even Halloween as just what they are, pagan holidays. It becomes a sin however when you pretend your celebrating is being done in the name of God, and this because God never commanded those holidays to begin with. It's really that simple.

What Jesus was calling traditions of men were superstitious beliefs which were opposite the commandments of God. For example, he spoke about their wrong belief as regards what gets a man defiled. Nothing there concerns any festival whatsoever. Else tell us which festival Jesus ever labelled as traditions of men.

Secondly, festivals are not laws. The Jews celebrated weddings and even Jesus himself attended one yet there was nowhere in the old testament God ever commanded anyone to start celebrating and entertaining guests after successfully getting married. In fact Isaac didn't do any reception for anyone after marrying Rachael, neither did Jacob on marrying Leah or Rachael. This means celebration of wedding was not originally part of Judaism or Jewish tradition but later came as a tradition of men and Jesus himself attended one of such. Likewise today, you most likely wedded your wife in a Church whereas the tradition of the Jews was to conduct wedding in the house of the groom's father and never inside the temple. Conducting wedding inside churces was originally a tradition of pagan tribes but you underwent it in marrying your wife yet you think you are not practising the laws of men.
Even the issue of schooling in an intramural atmosphere towards bagging a certificate is pagan in origin. You probably hold a university degree which you have no problems with.
You need a better understanding of what exactly Jesus meant with the laws of men in the passage you cited. One mistake people make is to try to interpret a verse of the bible in isolation from the many other verses which speak about the same subject.

In ancient Mesopotamia, in making and sealing covenants, the tradition was that the two persons doing the covenant would stand on opposite sides, hold hands and a third party witness would pass in between thereby separating those hands. When it was time for God to establish His covenant with Abraham he patterned it after the Mesopotamian tradition by asking Abraham to cut each sacrificial animal into two and arrange them on opposite sides. Then He made Abraham fall into a trance and His flashing light passed in between the sacrificed animals. I guess God was sinning against himself by mimicking a pagan tradition to establish a covenant that would become an entire thing of his own Jewish children and their future religion?

The name "Zion" was actually given to the mountain by the aboriginal pagan inhabitant tribes which God empowered the Israelites to chase away from the land. On arrival, the Israelites rededicated the mountain to God but retained it's pagan name Zion but changed the meaning of Zion to Mountain of God. I guess the Israelites were adopting paganism by doing that yet God Himself would later accept the mountain as His official abode on earth.
Many similar examples abound. Jesus didn't change worship days from Saturday to Sunday but later followers of his did. So why do you involves yourself in worshipping on Sundays knowing fully well that Sunday worship is the doctrine of men which Jesus'never established or commanded anyone to do?
You need to free your mind.
It is curious that in your response above you cleverly shied away from Paul The Apostle's reference to a Greek idol as the God of heaven in order to connect Christianity to the Greeks through their own pagan traditions.

In Nigeria, what guides the choice of overwhelming majority of voters during election are:
1. The region and religion whose turn it is or should be to produce the next president

2. Primordial sentiments of "The devil you know is better than the angel you don't know"

3. The "need" not to waste one's votes on an unpopular candidate who has "no structures" hence can't win.

4. The need to deliberately vote a questionable character just to get back at another tribe which voted against "our" brother in a previous election.

These have been the pattern since 1999.
Those who vote based on manifesto as it concerns the economy, foreign policy, infrastructure, policy issues and other cognate parameters are less than 0.0000001% nationwide.
So each time I see aspirants like Moghalu, Sowore, Durotoye, etc trying to woo voters with manifestos ladden with incisive and compelling analysis on genuine issues that have direct bearing to true nation building and fundamentally impactful reforms without saying anything about inanities like the zoning arrangement of their parties and how they will share political offices like Senate President, Deputy Senate President, Speaker of Hose of Reps, etc if they win; I just laugh at how highly they think of Nigerian voters.
We have had parties like National Conscience, Kowa Party, Fresh Party, SPDM, etc in the past with ideological base but they failed to include zoning and religion in their manifestos, Nigerian voters never looked their ways hence they all died natural Nigerian death.
When AD and later ACN concentrated only on ideology of issues and insulated itself from the ideologically vacuous general Nigerian politics they lost nearly all their SW base and got reduced to a one state party. Nigerians began to taunt it as a regional pressure group until they began to open up to the compromise of alligning with the North and other parties towards attaining "nationalistic outlook' and as well buying into ethno-regional and religious sentiments before Nigerians embraced it across regions now in the form of APC.
I just wish Moghalu had understood how the average Nigerian reasons.

Kobojunkie:
All of your churches are built on the doctrines and traditions of men, lies which Jesus Christ warned His followers to avoid by all means, so they are much like the JW church except the JW church is operated much like a cult.

What your likes call the tradition of men stem from an improper understanding of the message of Christ who didn't really come with a list of dos and donts but with a simple message of salvation anchored on simply loving one's neighbor as oneself. Your likes call Christmas and other Christian festivals and ordinances the tradition of men because you don't know that the God has always given the power to make decisions on how best to serve God in certain circumstances. Go and read the entire book of Esther and you won't see any verse where God is mentioned throughout meaning that God never spoke to anyone or got involved in the politics of Esther and Modecai on one hand, and Hamman on the other hand yet Modecai established the Purim Festival to commemorate the victory of the Jews over Hamman through Esther and the Jews thereafter continued to observe the Festival without God ever disapproving of it. Christianity is not a new slavery under another set of carnal laws but a new life guided by one's conscience. Paul The Apostle said it unequivocally that there is nothing wrong if the followers of Christ decide on their own to set aside certain days for some religious purposes. When Paul got to Athens he saw a temple in which e inscription 'Dedicated to an unknown god's was written. Definitely the founders of the temple didn't have the God of Jesus in mind when they wrote that inscription. Rather, they were referring to one of their Greek idols which they thought they weren't aware of his experience, but Paul used that as an opportunity to introduce to them the true God by saying that that God in the inscription was God Almighty. If someone like you were to be there that day you would have accused Paul of mixing Christianity with idolatry. In Christianity you use any possible opportunity and means to bring unbelivers to the knowledge of the true God. Such methods could even involve copying a part of their very pagan tradition as a vehicle to achieve that. So Christianity is not Judaism that is about hard and fast rules.

Janosky:
Which OP?
Bros, read the screenshot & believe the GIBBERISH you desire to believe.

So how do these screenshots prove that she got help from her JW family which made her believe that it is sinful to accept help from non-JW sources?

Janosky:
Did the dead lady tell you this GIBBERISH you posted?
Exodus 20:15 & Matthew 18:16,Did she tell you she rejected help because it's From another faith?

So you didn't read the post at all? Go back and read it very well. Her relation said it clearly that all the while she suffered the illness she rejected help offered her from a Catholic community in Italy. Meanwhile her own JW which imbued her with such deadly mindset couldn't raise funds for her. Hypocrisy at its peak.

Kobojunkie:
It is! And it isn't much different from the other churches of men out there, only that it is also a cult.

Have you ever heard a member of Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Redeemed, Winners, etc declined an offer for financial help especially concerning a terminal illness just because the help is coming from a different denomination from his? Even Jesus accepted food and perfume from a Samaritan prostitute. He ate with tax collectors and a lot of folks who didn't share his message. Christianity never teaches hate and whoever hates to the point of not minding to die is not a Christian even if he or she labels himself or herself as one.

Only cults don't accept help or render help to people except they join their group.

Soso990240:
Religion ( Both Christianity and Islam ) is part of the reasons we are where we are today. Extremists everywhere... tueehh

JW is not same as Christianity.

My own puzzle in all these recent anti-Tinubu cacophony from the East is the fact that this their protest against 'injustice' seems to be selective and entirely Tinubu focused.
Governor Wike, the financial leader of the PDP and a cousin to Ndigbo, was the first Southerner to openly declare that he doesn't mind PDP zoning her 2023 ticket to the North if that is the only route available for PDP back to Aso Rock. His position was lined with his own personal desire to be running mate to a Northern candidate under the PDP ticket....an arrangement which would surely further endanger the Igbo 2023 project. Nothing can be more insensitive and unjust to to the Ndigbo than this. However, Ohaneze Indigo never accused Wike of Injustice or even issue any official statement against Wike's support for what they now tag injustice.
Now the PDP in which they have since 1999 invested all their emotions and energies is reluctant to zone her ticket to the their region in supposed reward for their 23 year old slavery and masochistic dedication to the party and Ohaeze still doesn't see any injustice in all of that.
But they see natural injustice in Tinubu's decision not to step down for an unknown prospective candidate of theirs over the ticket of the same APC which they have till today not stopped labelling a demonic party of Jigadists, Cows, supporter of APC, etc. against the backdrop of the fact that this same Tinubu offered an olive branch to them in the build up to 2015 election proposing that they worked with the APC and be rewarded with the party's ticket in this same 2023 just few months away now but they insulted Tinubu, labelled him with all unprintable tags and continued to massively celebrate even his slightest polical misfortunes. Even when Edo State people themselves are beginning to regret their rather blind decision in the last guber election, Igbos have continued to celebrate the Edo No Be Lagos cliche more than the Edo PDP itself just because it was a spite on Tinubu. This their rather fake newfound love for Edo is nauseating considering the fact that all before the last guber election in Edo State they had been all over all known social media platforms insulting, cursing and terming Edo State as part of the NC or SW for the 'crime'of choosing to be governed by the APC. So how on earth these people expect Tinubu to acede to this demand of their idea of justice and fairness against all these antecedents of theirs in hindsight is what I still can't rationalize within myself.
It is either these people don't reason logically or that they have simply acknowledge that Tinubu is the candidate to beat in 2023.

GodIsBiafran:
This Ohaneze does not speak for me or majority of Igbos. What kinda of weak ranting is this? Push forward a young vibrant Igbo candidate and demand that PDP nominate him or her. We have given PDP our sweat and blood and the least the party can do is to give us a shot of the presidency. Rantings like this makes us look politically weak. Nonsense.

This is the most sensible comment I have ever read from a pro-biafran individual.

Investigative:
Hahahha hahaha
This guy.self
You are hallucinating
Britain still control Nigeria.and they are ones fighting against its dissolution
Therefore
All this lip grammar is stale

If the British was still controlling Nigeria well into independence as you would have your gullible followers believe, then how come Balewa and Zik defied the Privy Council with a retroactive ammendment in 1963 by which they upturned the judgement that Akintola's reinstatement without election was illegal and should that Akintola should vacate that seat for fresh election to be conducted in the Western Region? Keep hiding under blaming the British. I guess you would also say that it is the British that is presently controlling Buhari hence Buhari can't be accused of misgovernance. You will do well in comedy.

Investigative:
Zik was the first ceremonial president of Nigeria appointed by Britain that was before even forming any alliance
Now you can lick your wound
After I have educated you in who brought zik to limelight in politics

Zik firstly became Governor General in 1960 and it was in 1963 the constitution was changed by the federal legislature by which he became president. The same constitutional amendment dereconized the Queen as ceremonial head of government. So how does it even make sense that the British made a constitutional ammendment to derecognize their own Queen in favour of a black man Azikiwe? You know nothing.

Investigative:
Let me help your ignorance
Was zik elected by igbo or was he appointed by British during Nigeria independence ?

Let me cure your ignorance.
I never knew that Tafawa Balewa who compensated Zik with governor general position for choosing the NPC-NCNC alliance over the proposed all-South alliance was a British man.

Investigative:
You are the idiot here
Cos nnamdi azikiwe does not translate to whole Igbo
I didn't see where azikiwe represented Igbo interest in Nigeria
Politic except that of Britain
Is only dumb people like you will sit here and quote jargon that ig k remove Secession clause and if we ask when you start quoting azikiwe was azikiwe working for Igbo or British and British interest!

And you remain a fool and an irredeemable ignoramus for not answering the question as to whether Zik elected himself or Britain appointed him to the federal parliament where he propounded one-Nigerianism, fought against secession clause motions and even played the spoiler role against Awolowo's attempt to get the Yorubas in present day Kogi and Kwara States carved into the Western Region to join their Yoruba kit and kin. Then your continued avoidance of the question on why no Igbo man moved any motion to recall Zik from the parliament if his activities on the floor were divergent from Igbo aspirations is the final evidence seal of the worthlessness of whatever you carry as education certificate. Mumu boy trying hard to sell a senseless narrative just to deny being the originators of what boomeranged badly on them.
Why did NCNC members from Igbo land try to pressure the colonial overlords into declaring Lagos a no-man's-land? Why is it that till today only Igbos keep arguing that Lagos is no man's land when every other tribe is seeking restructuring that would constrain everyone to remain in their region and develop it with resource control or better still make way for outright disintegration? Why were you people the only tribe Ahmadu Bello had issues with as Northern Region Premier who believed strictly in Northernization policy as against one Nigeria? That a person who was committed solely to his region's interest as enshrined in the constitution back then had a reason to be resentful of you can only mean that your ideology was directly opposite his thus you were preaching one-Nigeria which he found dubious and offensive.

Investigative:
Another dumb question from a foool
The only tribe that British system of government failed to penetrate
The only tribe in constant battle
Where did you get this stupid analogy that igbo supported one Nigeria
Was it when we were busy fighting British rules
That we supported one Nigeria?

Do you know what makes you a very terrible idiot? Your tendency to continue lying with a straight face even in the face of hard facts bursting your lies. So if you purportedly fought a war with the British in resisting colonization and well after colonization you willfully joined other tribes in sending representatives to London in 1958 to draft a constitution for the new Nigeria, it can still be said that you never supported Nigeria? Are people not judged by what they did most recently? It is obvious that you are one of the eaters of Lamidi Cownu's shit hence the bug of his illogical and anomalous way of reasoning has taken a very deep sting into you. Which tribe didn't fight against the British if I may ask you? Haven't you ever heard of the massive Benin Invasion provoked by the Binis' resistance to British colonization? You are just a brainless cranium parading your ignorance on public space.
Mr. Idiot, get this into your coconut head. When a people don't support an idea, they completely disocciate themselves from anything that has to do with the idea or anyone who ever once acted in defense of that idea. Ojukwu arrested Isaac Adaka Boro and nearly got him killed for trying to dismember Azikiwe's fraudulent one-Nigeria, the same Ojukwu, in later fighting for Biafrau.d made the same one-Nigera propagating Azikiwe the foreign minister of Biafra. Then Ojukwu himself would later return to Nigeria to denounce Biafra, identity with one-Nigeria and even contest severally to rule one-Nigeria and after failing repeatedly you Igbos in a grand ceremony gathered yourselves and officially declared Ojukwu as your all time leader and hero and you this insignificant idiot in Igbo land is resident on Nairaland twisting history here that Igbos never supported one-Nigeria? Ipob recently disrupted a symposium in Igbo land and chased all the attendees away from the venue with gunshots because they saw Azikiwe's name in the list of those to be honoured with posthumous awards for invaluable contributions to the Igbo nation's interest. Their arguement was that Azikiwe put Igbo in the mess they are in till today and added that had Azikiwe aligned his thoughts and ideology with those of Awolowo, Enahoro, Ahmadu Bello and Tafawa Balewa, Nigeria would have evolved differently to the good of everyone today. That is how to genuinely dissociate from an idea. So we can correctly say that IPOB has so far never supported one-Nigeria. But for the general Igbo nation which continues to venerate Azikiwe and Ojukwu who at different times promoted one-Nigerianism, it is stupid for anyone to say Igbos never supported one-Nigeria.
The worst part of your annoying hypocrisy is your consistent refusal to answer the question as to why Igbos who elected Azikiwe to the federal parliament to represent them couldn't simply set out collecting signatures for his recall when he was fighting against all pro-secession motions being moved on the floor if truly his position wasn't representative of Igbo aspirations. All you could say in your usual evasive response was that Nigeria wasn't practising democracy and that Azikiwe was made a figurehead by the British as if his becoming Governor General happened before independence when he fought and killed secession clause motion. Can't you see that you hardly make sense?

Investigative:
Slave mentality
We the Igbo have constitution and was successful before Britain came
And our system was the best for of democracy

The mentality of an ignoramus. If you had such republican cum decentralization leaning constitution you operated pre-colonial era and you made progress by it, then how come you people became the one chanting one-Nigeria and pushing for a centrifugal constitution post colonization? How come you people ended up being the ones suddenly talking of the need to do away with ethnic consciousness for Nigerian nationalism? How come you people became the very ones mounting pressure on the colonial overlords to declare Lagos a no-man's-land rather than just being satisfied in remaining back in your region to keep operating that pre-colonial republican constitution that was supposedly giving you tremendous progress? How come your political elites became notorious for the advocacy of a Nigeria in which ethnicity would be outlawed as Ironsi would actually later attempt? How come Ojukwu, one your very own, ended up being the one who attacked Isaac Adaka Boro and forced him back at gun point into the same Nigeria you claim was imposed on you by the British? And in the end you all later gathered yourselves together to declare that Ojukwu your all time overall hero. A hero who once thwarted an opportunity to disintegrate the very Nigeria you claim was imposed on you by the British. Why are you wasting your comedy talents on NL when the likes of I go die and Teju Baby face are smiling to the banks everyday with the millions they make from their dry jokes?
Like I said, you fool only yourself with this your rewriting of history.