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Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 7:13am On Dec 29, 2021
joeyfire:
This trash you typed has no bearing on your claim that Nigeria was working until Ironsi took over.
Then why are we all now asking for a restructuring back to the independence constitution which we operated until Ironsi appeared on the scene through the back door? Do you wish to go back to a constitution under which Nigeria was not working? Den nor give you your brain keep na. Why you nor dey use am at least small small?
Politics › Re: Obasanjo: Why I Owe Nobody Apology For Not Believing In Oduduwa Republic by Deadlytruth(m): 7:08am On Dec 29, 2021
SmartPolician:
You can call Obasanjo whatever you like, but nobody can accuse him of tribalism.
He ordered genocides in Odi (Ijaw land) and Zakibiam (Tiv land) because security operatives were killed but when the same thing happened in Ota and Shagam (both Yoruba land) he pretended not to be aware. If that wasn't tribalism, then what was it?
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 5:51am On Dec 29, 2021
DMerciful:
Your analogy does not make sense, not applicable to the situation. You cannot love what you hate. 6 months is not enough to do anything that would last for generations unless that's what the people wanted.

I will not respond further
I have put it to you that an attempt was made twelve years later to correct the blunder and Professor Nwabueze was chosen to do it believing that he, being endowed with hindsight of the danger of his actions under Ironsi, was in the best position and was most likely to do the reversal but unfortunately went ahead to further centralize powers just as he did under Ironsi. So who are you blaming for the retention of this unpopular ideology if not the very people who introduced it? Why did you shy away from addressing this fact in your last comment above?
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 5:47am On Dec 29, 2021
joeyfire:
grin grin grin grin this boy is obviously just here to troll
You obviously have no superior arguments to the poser I gave up there. Why do you want us to blame Awolowo for tribalistic politics and not Ironsi for the subversion of the 1963 constitution? Since when did what is good for the goose become bad for the gander?
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 5:42am On Dec 29, 2021
DMerciful:
Doesn't make sense that what Ironsi allegedly did was stucked to after just being in power for 6onths. Common, it's takes years to enforce an unpopular ideology.

Even till today, many people still reject the thought of true federalism with resource control
I have put up a simple analogy above for you but rather than answer yes or no you have chosen to still hammer on your question which made me give that analogy. Will you yourself as an individual believe in working under the guidance of an agreement with a person who you know has a reputation of easily reneging on the agreements he enters into?
Are you aware that in 1978 an attempt was made to correct Ironsi's blunder when Obasanjo, as military HOS, gave the charge to Professor Nwabueze (the same man who advised Ironsi to impose unitary system on the country just 12 years earlier on) to, through the 1978 Constitutional Conference, come up with recommendation on necessary ammendment of the exclusive, concurrent and residual lists only for Nwabueze to further transfer more items from both the concurrent and residual lists to the exclusive list claiming he wanted national unity exactly as he did under Ironsi even though he had by virtue of the costly Biafra war and the plundering of the Niger Delta wealth by other regions come to see with his own eyes the danger in having a center too strong? If you want a link to the story in which he made this confession with his own mouth I will gladly furnish you with it here and now.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 5:18am On Dec 29, 2021
DMerciful:
So you believe that someone can change Nigeria political and economic structure in 6 months such that what he did cannot be reversed?
Then you are obviously not a Nigerian. If you knew the circumstances of mutual suspicion that led to the making of that structure in the first instance you wouldn't ask this question at all.
If you and another person are heavily skeptical of each other and totally lack mutual trust and because of that you draw up a deed of agreement and both sign it, only for you to later uncover instances of violation of that deed by the other party, will you ever agree to work with that person under any kind of deed of agreement again? Wouldn't you believe that he is not trustworthy or disciplined enough to subject himself to any form of agreement?
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 5:07am On Dec 29, 2021
Idiko1:
The above conjectures are completely idiotic and ignorant. Only in Africa in general and Nigeria in particular where silly opinions become gospel.
Only among Igbos do you find people dismiss hard facts backed up with documental evidence without providing superior contrary facts. This national broadcast is documented in a gazzete in the national archives. They are not conjectures or opinions at all. If you want a link to the original copy of Ironsi's national broadcast as reproduced below, you will gladly be furnished with it except you are just one of the lazy ipobians who hate to read.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 4:57am On Dec 29, 2021
DMerciful:
Nigeria has no region. Nw,NENC,SS SW,SE are unconstitutional!
Exactly! Likewise, the Old Regions became unconstitutional under Ironsi who had changed them to mere groups of provinces which was a new arrangement in his own unitary constitution.
You made my day. Thank you.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op):
gidgiddy:
Look at what someone wrote, trying to defend the actions of Gowon. Every now and then he will open a thread and claim that Ironsi removed Regionalism in the 6 months he was in power, then defend Gowon's 9 years in power, in which time, Nigeria went from 4 Regions to 12 states. He wants everyone to believe that the problem of Nigeria was 6 months of Ironsi, but not the 9 years of Gowon.

All those Northern officers who conspired to kick out Ironsi; Gowon, Murtala Mohammed, Babangida, Abacha and even the current President, Buhari, all conspired to subdivide Nigeria into the present 36 states it has, from the 4 Region's Ironsi had.

All of this proves that Nigeria is not a nation and should disintegrate. If Ironsi's 6 months is the problem, and over 40 years of one Northerner or the other as head of state, in either military or civilian guise, could not rectify the problem, what are we doing together?

Let stop this blame game from 55 years ago of Ironsi and admit we never moved forward. If we did, we would not be talking about Ironsi, we would be talking about how all military rulers were bad for us all. But even today, we have a former military ruler and one of those who removed Ironsi, as our President. Even him does not want to restructure Nigeria back to anything that existed during Ironsi's time or before

Let us admit that Nigeria has failed. Let us conduct referendum, and let those who wish to be independent will go their way. 6 months of Ironsi, as the problem, in 61 years of Nigerias independence, simply makes no sense

Lets all admit that Nigeria has never worked, no matter who was in power or what they did, and just agree to disintegrate
You yourself know it deep down in your heart that If Ironsi never reneged on his oath of office but actually defended the 1963 constitution in those circumstances as he swore to, Nigeria wouldn't have taken the turn that led it to this failed state. Nigeria worked from Independence till the day Ironsi misadventured into politics.
The person who introduced an evil into a system is usually blamed for the failure of that system. Adam introduced sin and we all who came after him became sinners committed far more terrible sins, but it is Adam and not us the bible blames for destroying Gods original plan for man.
Tribalistic politics is one big problem today which we are all guilty of but if asked, you Igbos don't blame those of us who now do it but quickly blame Awolowo who, according to you people, introduced it. You don't ask why those who came After Awolowo couldn't correct it but even did worse. You exonerate those who carried tribalistic politics to new heights and keep hammering that Awolowo introduced it so he should take all the blame alone.
Though Awolowo didn't actually introduce tribalistic politics or tribalism, Zik did. I only cited this issue to show that even you Igbos agree very much with the philosophy that a person who introduced an evil is actually to be held responsible for whatever damage that evil does to the society whether in the short or long term, but only that when it comes to the issue of the destruction of the original constitution of Nigeria you operate double standards and shy away from applying that same philosophy to Ironsi who introduced it obviously because he is Igbo like you.
See yourselves?
Why do you want Nigeria to blame Awolowo (assuming he introduced it) for the damage tribalistic politics has done to Nigeria rather than those who came after him and did worse in that act, but want Nigeria to blame the destruction of our original constitution on those who came after Ironsi and allegedly did worse as against the Ironsi himself who introduced the act of tampering with a truly people's constitution?
Politics › Re: Christmas: I Have No Regrets Forgiving Tony Kabaka Adun – Gov Obaseki by Deadlytruth(m): 10:27pm On Dec 28, 2021
danilmo:
How has the no godfatherism benefited Edo state now. Thank God no more excuse if Oshiomole barring him from moving the state forward.

Why do I feel Yahaya Bello is doing better than this man sad
He labelled Oshiomhole a godfather because Oshiomhole advised him to run an inclusive government and embark on fundamentally impactful infrastructural projects. Those who joined him in his fraudulent anti-godfatherism campaign are now crying that Ekenhuan Road, Benin-Abraka Road and lots others are yet to be done up to halfway since five years ago when the constructions started.
Politics › Re: Christmas: I Have No Regrets Forgiving Tony Kabaka Adun – Gov Obaseki by Deadlytruth(m): 10:19pm On Dec 28, 2021
Youngjohnosas:
the father of lucky igbenedion is almost 90 and he is more hand some than u.

Nosa Rex, odion ighalo, Yakubu aiyegbeni, osazee odemwingie and many others are Edolites that u know but you chose to masturbate on the not so handsome ones.

Edo state is only telling you that you can make it if u choose to irrespective of your facial look.
Don't mind them. They pretend not to have seen Osunbor or known Ambrose Alli who was not only very handsome but extremely brilliant, humane, humble and so kindhearted that as an incumbent governor he would still go to University of Benin Teaching Hospital to perform surgical operation for patients suffering ailments related to his Morbid Anatomy field of specialization.
Politics › Re: Christmas: I Have No Regrets Forgiving Tony Kabaka Adun – Gov Obaseki by Deadlytruth(m): 7:31pm On Dec 28, 2021
Indispensable85:
Kabaka fit decamp oo
I just pity Edo APC for recently picking Kabaka as the party's youth leader. Kabaka is likely to defect at the slightest bait.
Politics › Re: Obasanjo’s Letter To Edwin Clark (Full Text) by Deadlytruth(m): 7:28pm On Dec 28, 2021
onuman:
Nigeria can disintegrate quicker when the SS people join the SE people in pursuit of one country first, after which, new country or more, can peacefully emerge from the first country.
It's not the power of North or SW that's still stopping the SE to exit Nigeria.

Much of the Yoruba elite have understood that crude oil is not all that a country needs to survive, therefore, they don't have any more serious attachment to continuation of dysfunctional Nigeria.
So you really believe that after the SS and SE jointly exiting Nigerian in mutual collaboration, the SE will then allow the SS to go its separate way?
Politics › Re: Obasanjo’s Letter To Edwin Clark (Full Text) by Deadlytruth(m): 7:27pm On Dec 28, 2021
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Politics › Re: Christmas: I Have No Regrets Forgiving Tony Kabaka Adun – Gov Obaseki by Deadlytruth(m): 7:17pm On Dec 28, 2021
nonxo007:
Oshiomole trying to pick his successor is also godfatherism nah bros. Look at the definition of godfatherism below. Note the incumbency part ?
So going by your definition of godfatherism in that image you uploaded, how exactly did Oshiomhole try to exert authority on Obaseki? Care citing specific instances?
Oshiomhole only tried to settle the rift between Obaseki and Samson Osagie led party members who were complaining of Obaseki's exclusive approach to governance. Oshiomhole advised him to be more accommodating and inclusive and that was all he deliberately distorted to Oshiomhole trying to play godfather over him.
Is the PDP which helped him sing the godfatherism song not complaining too of that same exclusive approach to governance today as seen in trading of words over harmonization by which Obaseki has only been appointing those who came with him from APC and nothing, I mean NOTHING for the old PDP which saved him from embarrassment?
Politics › Re: Christmas: I Have No Regrets Forgiving Tony Kabaka Adun – Gov Obaseki by Deadlytruth(m): 7:07pm On Dec 28, 2021
tesppidd:
stop speaking falsehood.

Tony Anenih and his cabal were the only godfathers Edo had.

Adams Oshiomole was just another typical Nigerian governor who wanted to produce a successor and remote control him.

All 36 governors attempt to do that when they are leaving office, some succeed but some don't.
Don't mind them. They sit far away in SE and NC speaking authoritatively on what they have no deep knowledge of about Edo State. Oshiomhole only picked Obaseki because he sincerely, but mistakenly, adjudged him a worthy successor who would be loyal to him and at the same time have the passion to continue with his works, not knowing that the likes of Oba and others who counseled him to perish the thought of having Obaseki succeed him knew exactly what they were saying.
Politics › Re: Christmas: I Have No Regrets Forgiving Tony Kabaka Adun – Gov Obaseki by Deadlytruth(m): 7:00pm On Dec 28, 2021
nonxo007:
Obaseki is a smart guy and I love the fact that he killed and buried godfatherism in Edo state. This is something the Northern and South Western Region should emulate. Until godfatherism is reduced to the barest minimum we will keep having terrible leaders.
So you don't know that Obaseki himself is trying to emerge as the new godfather of Edo State and PDP generally? I guess you didn't watch Wike speak about him recently on AIT.
Politics › Re: Obasanjo’s Letter To Edwin Clark (Full Text) by Deadlytruth(m): 6:31pm On Dec 28, 2021
Nairobi33:
May God rule your life the way OBJ rule Nigeria with few undercumings, ijn, Amen. Hopeless somebody undecided
Savage!
Politics › Re: Obasanjo’s Letter To Edwin Clark (Full Text) by Deadlytruth(m): 6:26pm On Dec 28, 2021
israelmao:
Obj and love for letters.Obj has done his best to work out political permutations that resulted in Niger Delta having her son on the highest seat in Nigeria and he also did same in Kaduna when Yakowa emerged as the first Christian from South Kaduna to be a governor.They were divine arrangements but God used Obj.
Can we also use the same logic to say that it was a divine arrangement by God to use IBB to put Obasanjo in power in 1999 so as to give Yorubas a chance?
Let me tell you this. If the SS had had an opportunity to chose whom among the six SS governors of those days to represent them in Abuja as VP and finally president, Donald Duke would have been the unanimous choice.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op):
gidgiddy:
This story keeps getting better. So some people were angry and alarmed that Ironsi was tampering with the Federal Regional structure, then they kicked Ironsi out after 6 months and brought in Gowon. Gowon then consults widely and the people tell Gowon that they want him to do much worse than Ironsi did. So Gowon listens to the people, abolishes the 4 Regions, creates 12 states, takes away resource control and puts it in the hands of the federal government, something Ironsi didnt even do. Those who were angry with Ironsi's decree 34, happily accept Gowons Decree 14 which was 50 times worse.

So what is then point of starting this useless thread about Ironsi removing Regionalism since you know thats what the people wanted? Thats what you said the people told Gowon to do.

This thread belongs to the joke section because it is full of nonsense grin grin grin
You are just pretending not to get the import of the whole argument. Let's look at it this way:
Ironsi met a car in a good and perfect working condition. The car was being used by the public and no member of the public complained about it in any way.But he insisted the car was not working well and argued that the engine should be changed. The people told him they made the car themselves and was not having any problem whatsoever. But Ironsi went ahead and dismantled the car, replaced the engine with a bad one and the car began to malfunction.
The people again asked him to remove the engine and replace it with the old one. He refused still. Then a section of the people killed him and replaced he himself with Gowon. Immediately, Gowon began trying to restore the previous engine to the car but kept on consulting the people who made the car for directives on how to reinstall the original engine correctly to enable the car work perfectly as before. This repair process was going on smoothly as the people who made the car were giving him the correct directives on the repair process. But somewhere along the line, Ojukwu came and began to ask that the whole car plus the engine be broken down completely and the parts thrown away in different directions. He threatened to do it himself if the people refused to pressure Gowon into doing his bidding. At this point it became necessary to fight off Ojukwu first and later return to continue with the repair of the car. So Gowon had to halt the repairs and on the people's directive make a few alterations which would make the car suitable to be used in fighting off Ojukwu successfully. Do you blame Gowon and the people for discontinuing with the repairs or the very Ojukwu who threatened to destroy the car completely should the repairs continue?

At the point where Ojukwu began to threaten fire and brimstone the people had no choice other than to bow to any strategy that would successfully keep him in check.
So the conclusion of the matter is that Gowon was only trying to repair a seriously damaged car but had to halt the process because of the need to first stave off another threat to the car as a whole, while Ironsi decided to damage the car when he met in perfectly working condition. So who between the two of them is really guilty of the fact that the car ended up being destroyed?
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 12:05pm On Dec 28, 2021
gidgiddy:
And all of this can be summarised as

"The North were so alarmed that Ironsi was tampering with the Regional structure that was in place, but the same North had absolutely no problems that a fellow Northerner like Yakubu Gowon came after Ironsi and abolished the 4 Regions all together, and created 12 new states"


grin grin grin
Gowon consulted widely before he made his policies and that is why not only the North but even the Yorubas and Southern minorities supported his administration. For example Gowon's states creation wasn't a unilateral military decision. He consulted widely and was advised that the minorities of both North and South wanted subnational units of their own to extricate them from the stranglehold of the big three ..Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo. Did anyone stage any public protest against his decision to create states unlike how they did when Ironsi created provinces without consulting anyone? There the difference laid.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op):
gidgiddy:
Thats what Im saying. The North were so alarmed that Ironsi was tampering with the Regional structure that was in place, but the same North had absolutely no problems when a fellow Northerner like Yakubu Gowon came along and abolished the 4 Regions all together, and created 12 new states?
Assume you were a Northerner under those circumstances back then which were as follows:

1. Due to mutual suspicion and fears of domination of one another between Northerners and Southerners, everyone agreed to a decentralized structure anchored on the regions as the federating units which would be autonomous and independent of the center. This agreement was made in London and one of its core provisions was that should the need ever arise, the agreement could only be ammended only by exactly the kind of elected pan-Nigerian representatives that gathered in London to make it. Everyone including Ironsi's kinsmen's representatives signed it.

2. This document was brought back home and everyone's fear and mutual suspicion disappeared because the provisions of the agreement clearly put in place checks and balances enough to prevent domination of one tribe or region by another. So the sovereign people of Nigeria welcomed it wholeheartedly and joyfully. A great nation and possible world power was now being looked up to courtesy of the aura of sacrosanctness around that agreement.
The agreement also clearly spelt out how to replace any elected office holder who may die while in office.



3. On his day of inauguration as Army GOC, Ironsi stood before the whole world and solemnly swore never to tamper with that agreement but to defend and protect that it at all times and in all circumstances, and he was applauded. Northerners took him for his words in good faith.
This further heightened the people's belief in their new country.

4. Three years later, i.e. in 1963, a need actually arose for ammendment of the agreement and it was done by all the people's duly elected representatives exactly as spelt out in that document. This further reinforced the people's belief that the rule of law was in action as against the rule of man or rule by an Oligarchy.

5. That same year, some politicians were accused of trying to topple the democratically elected government, convicted, though under questionable circumstances, and were punished as prescribed by that agreement.... meaning that the agreement was still being adhered to.

6. Now, six years into that agreement, some army officers under Ironsis headship mutinied and murdered so many political leaders in cold blood creating vacumm in the seats of power here and there.
The duly elected political leaders who survived that carnage consulted the documented agreement and came up with names to to fill in the vacumms in accordance with the provisions of that agreement. But Ironsi who had solemnly sworn to protect and defend that agreement kicked against them and threatened them into surrendering power to him thereby reneging on his sacred oath taken on his inauguration day. Then he never tried the coupists who tried to topple a democratically elected government despite there was already a precedent to that which he should have just followed. That was his second violation of the sacred agreement he swore on oath to defend.

7. After forcing himself into office, he now proceeded to pick up that very agreement document, read through it and began to unilaterally rewrite it without being an elected representative of any of the people that made up Nigeria.
Then he lied that he had consulted all Nigerians and was told by them that the agreement made in London was no longer in their interest thus giving him the go ahead to draft an entirely new one on their behalf.
Please when exactly did he conduct a referendum or public hearing to this effect?
Meanwhile the Nigerians he was talking about were in the streets protesting that their original mutual agreement made in London and signed by everyone should never be done away with.

8. Against genuine public outcry to the contrary, Ironsi went ahead and tampered heavily with that document thereby violating and making total nonsense of the sacrosanctness which all citizens had always accorded it.
It was indeed a national embarrassment to Nigerians that a barely educated army officer who became GOC not even by merit could within seconds shatter the sovereign will of the people expressed painstakingly through their representatives in London just because he had a gun in his hands which he should rather be using to fight enemies and intruders across the country's borders.

Like I said, assume you were a Northerner of from any other region different from the Eastern Region, would you be of the thought that Ironsi had any good intention behind his action hence deserved to live a minute longer given how he was flagrantly violating agreements that had been diligently abided by through six years by all and sundry?

Secondly, did Gowon behave so arrogantly like Ironsi to warrant being viewed with suspicion as with Ironsi? If anything Gowon actually consulted the public and worked with public opinion. Can you cite an instance in which Ironsi allowed public opinion to influence his decisions and policies?
That Gowon had recognized and one time elected political leaders of thought like Awolowo, Edwin Clark, etc in his cabinet meant that he didn't really rule with military fiat but that his administration had some tappings of democratic legitimacy unlike Ironsi's which was all about army, army, army, army.........with the perception that politicians are evil and to hell with bloody civilians. So why wouldn't the public treat Gowon better and have faith in his reforns which were all from the advice he received from public opinion?
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 10:07am On Dec 28, 2021
gidgiddy:
So the Northerners were pleading with Ironsi not to tamper with a federal constitution but the same Northerners had no problems when their fellow Northerner, Yakubu Gowon, abolished all 4 Regions, creating 12 states, allocated half of those states to the North, removed resource control and fiscal federalism and put it in the hands of the federal government which meant that the North would have the Lion share of political and economical control of Nigeria

Who is fooling who here?
First of all, what Gowon tampered with wasn't the Independence/1963 constitution but the unitary constitution which he inherited from Ironsi. Northerners couldn't have sent delegates to Gowon as they did to Ironsi because Gowon was actually in the process of reversing the mutilated Ironsi constitution back to the status quo ante which they pleaded with Ironsi for.
One of your brothers here has sharec a link which proves clearly that Gowon abolished Ironsi's groups of provinces and restored the regions with their autonomous fiscal and administrative structures but only had to redefine the distributable pool revenue allocation in the wake of the 12 states which however still retained the main 50% retention and 30% remittance. You can look up that link.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 9:29am On Dec 28, 2021
flokii:
They are masters of deception.. that's why they don't like Yorubas cos we see through their shenanigans easily.
That is why whoever sees through their deceptive antics or disagrees with their revisionist narratives of history automatically becomes Yoruba in their eyes. If they could label a well known Igbo man, Joe Igbokwe, as a Yoruba man just because he doesn't flow with their narratives but chooses to be objective in his view, then is it us the non-Yorubas here in a faceless forum they won't so label for not buying their revisionist tales?
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 7:41am On Dec 28, 2021
christistruth01:
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Don't you find it annoying how Wellington Duke Umoh Bassey Of Calabar And his Army Career were almost destroyed to make way for his junior Officer Gen Ironsi to Emerge as the Head of Army

Azikiwe was supposed to have been fighting for all of Bassey's delayed Promotions since Bassey was from Calabar in Azikiwe's Eastern Region
To add insult to injury they tried to eliminate Bassey during the Jan 1966 Coup

Ironsi Got to Power again only to make Ojukwu who was 11 years Basseys Junior Officer the Governor of the Eastern Region

But to be honest Azikiwe complained to Ironsi about that one


Just look at what Azikiwe wrote in his book
" Origins of the Nigerian Civil War " on pages 1 and 2 admitting that Gen Ironsi had played the Tribalism Card on Wellington Bassey to make Ojukwu who was 11 years his Junior Officer the Governor of the Eastern Region


Cc gidgiddy,nku5
Just imagine! And the same Ojukwu who gladly accepted the appointment of Eastern Region governor by Ironsi who skipped a whooping six senior Eastern origin officers ahead of him would later have the moral temerity to warn that the appointment of Gowon over Ogundipe had set a precedent of disrespect of seniority which would affect Nigeria Army for long. Ojukwu was a damn hypocrite!

David Ejoor and Hassan Katsina both said it publicly back then that Ironsi lied in his national broadcast when he claimed that his decrees were all ratified by the Supreme military council. They added that he deliberately made his constitution review committee nearly 100% Igbo in composition because he knew that with people of other regions in a sizeable proportion in that committee, his push for Unitary system would not materialize when subjected to voting.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 7:28am On Dec 28, 2021
T9ksy:
Please, don't be too harsh on Maj. Ademoyega who, at the time, was a well-know Awoist hence his ibo coupists later propagated the same scam they sold him, I.e the coupists are going to release Awo and make him the PM. Meanwhile nothing concrete was put in place to effect such possibility.


This was why Adegoyega got into a fist-fight with ifeajuna when he later came face-to-face with him in calabar prison, as he now realised he had been scamed by ifeajuna. The coupists, in retrospect, had no intention of releasing Awo from prison.
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Okay. I now understand why Ademoyega fell for those guys' dummy.
I too have always wondered how a set of coup plotters who wanted to install a new government characterized with a strong center would have sincerely been rooting for a hardline federalist like Awolowo to head such a unitary government.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 6:44am On Dec 28, 2021
Christistruth00:
Gen Ironsi was the head of the Army but the most Senior Officer was supposed to be a Calabar man called Wellington Duke Umoh Bassey who had been parked by Gen Ironsi’s kinsman Governor General Azikiwe and NCNC into a Captains posting in Zaria depot in order to make way for Gen Ironsi to emerge as head of the Nigerian Army

All Wellington Basseys Promotions were delayed until after Gen Ironsi had emerged as head of the Army and Ojukwu head of the Eastern Region


Wellington. Umoh Bassey was already a Major in 1954 when Gowon joined the Army Ojukwu joined in 1955

In 1960 when the British left it was Wellington Umoh Bassey who had also lead the Independence Day is Parade that they were preparing to take over leadership of the Nigerian Army

Wellington Umoh Bassey whose nickname was Duke of Wellington was Gen Ironsi’s Senior Officer in the Army by more than 3 years

Can you believe that the same Wellington Bassey who was Ironsi’s Senior in the Army was almost assassinated during the Jan 1966 in the Zaria depot where he and his Army Career had been frustrated and dumped by Azikiwe and NCNC for Gen Ironsi’s sake but had just managed to escape at the last minute


Wellington Umoh Bassey’s only offence was that he was from Calabar and was Ironsi’s Senior Officer in the Army

Because of that Azikiwe took it upon himself to destroy Bassey’s Career

Wellington Bassey had joined the Army 7 years before Ironsi in 1936 and was an Officer three and a half years before Gen Ironsi
This is very revealing as it makes us understand that Ironsi became GOC through wuruwu rather than through merit and seniority yet Ojukwu didn't protest but would many years later shed crocodile tears that seniority wasn't followed in choosing Gowon over Ogundipe to head the new military government which succeeded Ironsi's. Hypocrite Ojukwu.
From the brief discription of Wellington Bassey's personality here, it is obvious that had merit and seniority being followed and he was made GOC on the strength of these two criteria, as a disciplined officer without any political ambition the military wouldn't have ever ventured into politics under his watch hence the Nigeria Army wouldn't have lost its professionalism and become divided along tribal lines as it began to happen under Ironsi.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 12:25am On Dec 28, 2021
nku5:
Go and read the correct document. The 14 page one is Ironsi's Decree and I'm glad you have admitted unwittingly that there is no reference to revenue. I'm also glad you aren't disputing that Ironsi left the regions untouched. Now check Gowon's own grin abi na dodge you dey dodge as per sacred cow

I'm done tutoring you
I am rolling on the floor with laugher now for the fact that you couldn't comprehend what you read in the gazzete about Gowon's decree in the link you shared. Let me school you a little on it.
The Decree is titled "Restoration and Revival Decree" meaning its objective was to override Ironsi's.
If you observe very well you would notice that this decree was made on May 27 1967 and Gowon using the expression "Federal Military Government" to describe Nigeria. This proves that before that time he had already made an earlier decree (and that was in 1966 when he just took power) by which he changed Nigeria's official name back to "Federal Republic of Nigeria" from Ironsi's "Republic of Nigeria", and began to reverse some Ironsi's decrees.
Now, looking at this additional 1967 decree of Gowon you can see that in the part which concerns finance he only made alterations to the revenues of the distributable pool on pro-rata basis for the new states as it relates to the previously existing formula the regions were using before Ironsi came on board. This gazette of his too doesn't say anything on the main 50% that each region was getting. I hope you know the difference between the statutory 50% and the distributable pool. In case you don't know, here it is:

In the independence constitution the regions retained 50% to themselves, remitted 30% to the center and kept the 20% balance in a reserve known as distributable pool from which withdrawals can be made during emergency times and that emergency situation caused by the need to create states to weaken Ojukwu's Biafra was what made it compulsory for Gowon to review the pattern of the distributable pool on prorata basis to still reflect the same proportion as with the regions. So he wasn't changing any revenue distribution formula in this decree at all contrary to your insinuation.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 11:31pm On Dec 27, 2021
nku5:
Go and read the correct document. The 14 page one is Ironsi's Decree and I'm glad you have admitted unwittingly that there is no reference to revenue. I'm also glad you aren't disputing that Ironsi left the regions untouched. Now check Gowon's own grin abi na dodge you dey dodge as per sacred cow

I'm done tutoring you
You claimed that Ironsi stated it there expressly that revenue system would remain as it was but I didn't see anything like that. What you fail to understand is that after directing all civil servants to now see themselves as national civil servants no longer answerable to the governors of his groups of provinces, you don't need any interpreter to tell you that such directive meant that those civil servants would henceforth remit all revenues the generate to the center. Presently in Nigeria we have federal inland revenue services with offices in the 36 states of the federation. Is there any part of the present constitution that states that they must remit all the revenues they generate to the federal government? There is no need for such provision in the constitution because the word "federal" already make clear that they are answerable to the federal government which they must remit and report to. It is that simple.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 7:12pm On Dec 27, 2021
gidgiddy:
Ironsi was killed for being an Igbo man. Gowons Decree 14 of 1967 was 50 times worse than Ironsi's Decree 34. But nobody touched Gowon because he was a Northerner
If their intention of killing Ironsi was the mere fact of his Igboness, they wouldn't have ever first sent two different delegations to plead with him to jettison his plan to tamper with the truly federal constitution. They also wouldn't have pledged to support his government for as long as he wanted to stay provided he punished the coup plotters. Northerners are not really as unreasonable as you Igbos paint them to be. They definitely have their excess but only exhibit these excesses when provoked except in the area of religion where they may not necessarily need provocation to attack other religions' adherents. But politically if you see Notherners attack a person, just know that that person is guilty of first provocation. I lived with them for long and I understand them well.
Politics › Re: Unanswered Questions On Ironsi And The Regional System. by Deadlytruth(op): 6:42pm On Dec 27, 2021
nku5:
Why have northerners been murdering southerners in the north since before independence?

You don't do research before you post and it shows. Ironsi's Decree 34 created groups of provinces from each of the regions. The decree even retained the old constitutions of each region for the group of provinces. He did not touch the sharing formula either. See a link to download the pdf and learn the truth if you are interested https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://gazettes.africa/archive/ng/1966/ng-government-gazette-supplement-dated-1966-05-24-no-51-part-a.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiC9pnXuYT1AhUB3BoKHSBhD9kQFnoECDkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Fb7Ajtfusl2QzqbJ_P0As

But see how your sacred cow Gowon disfigured and tore everything apart. After breaking up the regions and creating states he erased resource control and then opened an account to cater for the costs of running the state government. This is what has continued until today (feeding bottle federalism) Decree 14 & 15

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://gazettes.africa/archive/ng/1967/ng-government-gazette-supplement-dated-1967-05-27-no-37-part-a.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiF0ISHvoT1AhXK0qQKHS_JCzsQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1UOu7lupdTsumTDlGpSIMb
Southerners were being killed in the North by civilian mobs before independence and not by army officers. So your question doesn't really address mine which is about why Northern army officers killed Ironsi.

Unfortunately, I have opened your link and saw nothing on revenues in any of the schedules. Would you mind being specific about the page it is located? I searched the entire 14 pages line by line and found nothing on your claim that revenue sharing formula was left intact. Please be reminded that we were practising federalism and resource control hence we can't be talking of sharing formula in respect to that period. If sharing formula later came into the picture through Ironsi's decree, then it is a proof that he introduced unitary system that goes with sharing as we currently have it in Nigeria today.
Still expecting the specific mention of the page in question anyway.
Politics › Re: Nigeria's Current Security Architecture Should Go - Maibasira by Deadlytruth(m): 6:02pm On Dec 27, 2021
ochejoseph:
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2021/12/27/maibasira-calls-for-reform-of-security-architecture-seeks-creation-of-state-police/
So state police is now no longer vulnerable to being used by governors to perpetuate themselves in power and hound political foes? So state police has lost its possiblity of metamorphosing into regional army to be used for secession pursuits?
These people are obviously tired of living in denial. They have always opposed state police both on the legislative chambers of NASS and in every national confab with the above excuses.
I can't imagine that it took these Notherners being raped and massacred by terrorists for donkey years for them to understand that a decentralized internal security architecture is the only way to curb insecurity in a highly populated multi-ethnic society like Nigeria.

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