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MelesZenawi:
they proved their points with facts enough to convince reasonable and doubtful minds

Haven't I dropped some of those facts already only for you to remain in denial without adducing any contrary facts or argument? There are numerous other threads in which such stereotypes and propaganda have been dispelled and put to bed with unassailable facts. Why didn't you equally reference them?
https://www.nairaland.com/2097102/brief-historical-origin-ibillo-community/7

MelesZenawi:
your submission further lays credence to my assertion.

I am not against such related histories of u guys with west but only consolidating on it.

Okay, you now agree to my position that you Igbos bear stronger and even actual ancestral ties to the West. Okay. Thanks.

Thetruthshallse:
@melezenawi and @deadtruths please you people should sheath your sword. We are one only black race and one people. Shalom.

Unfortunately, he saw a thread about crime and all he could do was to turn it to a sociopolitcal matter. It shows he places politcs above the pain and injustice that befell he victim who happens to be his own brother even.

MelesZenawi:
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained


evidences are much ooo

stop arguing

What the purveyors of the argument did there isn't different from what you are doing here which is the repetition of sterotyped partisan politics based inferences without addressing the concrete and genuinely relevant contrary evidences placed before them.

MelesZenawi:
I was only trying to let him ( Deadlytruth) know that Edos and Yorubas have same common history. infact both are highly inseparble...common history binds them together.


I deserve thank you from him and not insults.

A claim you are making without being able to adduce any supportive evidence?

MelesZenawi:
stop accusing unnecesarily...both of una has same political inclination anyways.....but let's wait and see the outcome of present governorship election.....to see any difference though I doubt as blood is thicker than water(oduduw)....politically

another evidence
https://www.nairaland.com/5846948/benin-yoruba-speaking-empire

Elections are imperialist cultures and only in the mind of a wailing IPOBians can it become a criteria for ethnographic classifications and identies. I guess Bayelsans became Yorubas for voting for APC in their last guber elections? And Imo state became Oduduwa for voting for APC (Okorocha) in 2015? And even Anambra North Senatorial District became a Yoruba enclave for voting for Ngige the AC candidate against Dora Akunyili the PDP candidate in that contest?
And if we are to go by your standards, you Igbos are part of the larger Hausafulani family as you have since Independence always tilted towards the party of Hausafulanis than any other tribe.
In the build up to the 1959 elections you Igbos chose to align first with a Kano based party known as NEPU.
On getting to the floor of the parliament in 1960 you Igbos aligned with the Hausafulanis owned NPC and through that Balewa emerged prime minister.
In 1979 you again aligned with and voted for the Hausafulanis owned NPN.
In 1992 to 1993, your hearts were with the Hausafulanis owned NRC which swept the East in both guber and presidential elections in that era.
In 1999 you again went the way of PDP which was a metamorphosis of the Katsina Mafia owned PDM which leadership was domiciled in the Yaradua family. In fact in 1999 you Igbos gave bloc votes to Obasanjo because he was the North's preferred candidate and a willing stooge to the Northern Oligarchy.
So you are politcally of the Hausafulani family. No wonder the Fulani Herdsmen are all over your region today killing and maiming their Igbo brothers with impunity. Blood is indeed thicker than water.

MelesZenawi:
what you are listing has no correlation.
if you had said for example Nti(ear) has same spelling and means samething in yoruba and igbo then it is logical nd accepted

but bringing two different words with different spelling weakens your argument to the last.

such can't be said of edo-yoruba words that are eternally the same.

Unfortunately you haven't been able to give just one example of such same-same Edo Yoruba word.
I guess you didn't see in the list the 'Iba' spelling which is exactly same for Yoruba and Igbo and means fever for both? You obviously see only what you love to see.

And in any case, why such level of closeness in spelling and exactitude of meaning for the other pairs? Such closeness doesn't obtain between Yoruba and any other Language. Why with only Igbo? Care giving a fact based explanation other than your usual verbal dismissals?

MelesZenawi:
Yoruba pass edo and come down to have language affinity with igbos...what a logic and u are proud writing it.


as for your map, go and discuss with whosoever that created the godforsaken website.

this is even my first time seeing this which simply tells u I hv no time looking for rubbish that can't stand the test of time...

very hard to distinguish edo and Yorubas in terms of culture and the rest especially politically.

Oh! Didn't Olukumis rise from Yorubaland passed Edo to come and reside among the Aniomas whom you claim as fellow Igbos?
Didn't the Egennis and Bugumas of Rivers State pass the Ijaws to come and have linguistic affinity with Binis? You must be living in your own world of alternate reality.
The Biafra.org website is now a godforsaken website and thrash for harbouring a content that puts a lie to your revisionist tales here, right? We know you IPOBians to be gold medalists of goalpost shifting anyway.
Per the bolded, that, rather than your fabricated tales of cultural similarities, is the actual reason why you IPOBians delude yourself with the Yoruba origin of Edo as I already noted in an earlier comment. We all know that your resentment against Edo all started when Edo ditched you IPOBians beloved PDP.
If you doubt this, just visit NL threads created after Obaseki's defection to PDP and see IPOBian monikers salivating all over Edo with the cliche "Edo is not Lagos" being mouthed mostly by them. In fact those of them who used to argue that Edo is not SS have suddenly started using the present pro-PDP politcal events in Edo as an evidence that SS is not SW.
Before the Supreme Court gave the APC's mandate in Bayelsa to PDP, some IPOBians here had already started making insinuations that Bayelsa was no longer SS for voting in APC. Such is the kind of reasoning that obtains among IPOBians.

MelesZenawi:
another weak article and submission.

mind you Oba has its meaning in igbo language and do not in anyway means same as what you are driving at.

ask for meaning before you rush to conclude based on that...oba has its meaning in igbo language.

your history will never be complete if it is not linked to yorubas...that's the fact.

Neither will yours be complete if not as well linked to the same Yorubas.
If we even assume without conceeding that Oba has a separate meaning in Igbo Language, then what about the following Yoruba words which have exactly same meaning as used in Igbo language?:

1. Ear: Nti(Igbo), Eti(Yoruba)

2. What: Gini(Igbo), Kini(Yoruba)

3. Fever: Iba(Igbo), Iba(Yoruba)

4. Goat: Ewu(Igbo), Ewure(Yoruba)

5: God: Olisa(Igbo), Orisa(Yoruba)

6: Mouth: Onu(Igbo), Enu(Yoruba)

7. Nose: Imi(Igbo), Omi(Yoruba)

8: Cock: Okuko(Igbo), Akuko(Yoruba)

9. Slave: Oru(Igbo), Eru(Yoruba)

10. Stone: Okwute(Igbo), Okuta(Yoruba)

11. Amen: Ise(Igbo), Ase(Yoruba)

12. Owl: Ikwikwi(Igbo), Iwiwi(Yoruba)

13: Turkey: Torotoro(Igbo), Tolotolo(Yoruba)
... and many more.
No other languages shares words with Yoruba as Igbo language.

MelesZenawi:
You guys are nearer and have so much in common that even mere eyes can easily see...culture wise, similarity In names, language, title for kings....stop arguing a known truth pls.

Unfortunately you haven't been able to adduce any concrete evidence to substantiate that your 'truth' like I did about mine.
A lie would definitely take up the appearance of truth if repeated over time without any counter argument from those who know the actual truth. That explains you present 'truth' about Edoid groups. Likewise a long undefended truth will begin to appear as a lie with time especially in an atmosphere of false propaganda.
But here today, your age-long false propaganda is being bursted with hard facts which even proves the contrary as the case, and all you can do is to keep repeating your stale and expired line of propaganda without any concrete evidence to back it up. Igbos migrated from Ile-Ife as evidenced by the over thousands of Yoruba words embedded in Igbo Language. Live with it.

MelesZenawi:
not a fan of kanu but on this one I have neverr read, heard and even eavesdrop that itsekiri was ever added to biafran. your imagination of lies won't stand test off times...


of course you all have yoruba roots and no one drags that even till tomorrow unless you want to create or assume another fictitious story in your mind.

It is obvious you are a desperate revisionist of even the most recent events. Below is the current IPOB's proposed Biafra maps with the entire Delta State including the Itsekiri areas in it. Or is it that you don't know the geographical location of the Itsekiris?
The next picture is that which is pasted in a Biafran website asserting that Itsekiris and even Binis belong to Biafra.
You can check the website yourself through this link:

https://biafran.org/the-biafrans/

For the issue of Yoruba roots, what defines roots and cultural similarities the most are trappings of linguistic affinity which Igbo and Yoruba Languages have doses of unlike others. The evidence is so compelling that Obi of Onitsha could help but agree with the Ooni of Ife.

MelesZenawi:
@strike is a pure lie. Yorubas sees Edos as part of them..

igbos seeing edo as yorubas, there is nothing wrong with it afterall both share common history...

That is why I say you are as untraveled as the monicker you accused of same, if you had ever stepped foot in Oyo, Osun, Ogun and Lagos States your ignorance about the offensive omo-Igbo labelling of Edos would have long been cured.

Once more your Obi of Onitsha has done the final revelation, if not how come only Igbo Language shares so many words with Yoruba Language? It all points to a common ancestry.

MelesZenawi:
trash....nonsense.

It is thrash and nonsense because it exposes the illogicality and self contradictory pattern of the IPOBian reasoning system.

MelesZenawi:
Zik was misinformed and poorly adviced....if not no need for him doing so.
edo suppose be the 7th yoruba state.

Now you are denying Zik your overall leader and authority. See you hypocrites? If Edo is supposed to be 7th Yoruba State, then why do you IPOBians drag into Biafra Delta State which in addition to being home to other Edoid tribes, is home to Itsekiris who are manifestly Yorubas, speak a Yoruba dialect and proudly and openly assert their Yoruba roots? Grade one hypocrites!

MelesZenawi:
what a weakl research by jumping u guys....igbos now hv language correlation wih oodua.

your teacher must be a sec sch drop out...all the akindeles, efosas, rotimis, obas, oduduwas are solid evidence to both edo-yoruba history seen till this day.

It came from your Obi of Onitsha. I guess his teachers were school drop outs.
Amaechi too bears Rotimi hence that makes him Yoruba in your warped logic. Certain Igbo towns and Rivers State enclaves also have Obas and that stands as evidence to a joint history between them and Yorubas, right?

Isn't it funny that a lot of Igbo monickers here are enraged by the dubbing of the of the Auchi murderer as an Igbo man by some Yoruba commentators here.
The truth is that the average Yoruba person ignorantly assumes that Edos are Igbos and actually label them omo-Igbo just exactly the same way the average Igbo person ignorantly thinks Edos are Yorubas.
Igbos have always enjoyed swimming in their self delusion that Edos are Yorubas especially when seeking politcal correctness against Edo State. So why can't they allow Yorubas too to enjoy their own their own self delusion aimed at same politcal correctness in the face of this heartless crime by an obviously morally depraved Edo son?

What goes around comes around.
Anyway, I pray the police does justice by executing this murder to serve as a deterrent to prospective ones.

Altrarecords:
Theres no way you could have guessed the killer is from auchi edo state so stfu

The average Yoruba man ignorantly sees an Edo person as omo-Igbo exactly the same way an average Igbo person perceives an Edo person as being Yoruba. So don't blame the guy much because he shares same guilt with Igbos as regards genuine ignorance or wilful misrepresentation of the Edos' identity.

MelesZenawi:
obvious 99 percent of most of u here only read headlines.


education has been buried in this zoological forest called nigeria.

Do you really think you are different from this guy?

MelesZenawi:
anything from edo state reach Benin republic..

fear them


all have same oduduwa history.

Look below for the factual evidences of authentic Oduduwa history of you Igbos as affirmed by the Obi of Onitsha. Happy reading:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/05/either-restructuring-referendum-ezeife/amp/

1. Ear: Nti(Igbo), Eti(Yoruba)

2. What: Gini(Igbo), Kini(Yoruba)

3. Fever: Iba(Igbo), Iba(Yoruba)

4. Goat: Ewu(Igbo), Ewure(Yoruba)

5: God: Olisa(Igbo), Orisa(Yoruba)

6: Mouth: Onu(Igbo), Enu(Yoruba)

7. Nose: Imi(Igbo), Omi(Yoruba)

8: Cock: Okuko(Igbo), Akuko(Yoruba)

9. Slave: Oru(Igbo), Eru(Yoruba)

10. Stone: Okwute(Igbo), Okuta(Yoruba)

11. Amen: Ise(Igbo), Ase(Yoruba)

12. Owl: Ikwikwi(Igbo), Iwiwi(Yoruba)

13: Turkey: Torotoro(Igbo), Tolotolo(Yoruba)
... and many more.
No other languages shares words with Yoruba as Igbo language.

Asianjollof007:
Thanks for revealing the name. Nonetheless, this case is still a family matter. They are going to be part of your "dream" country!

What are you saying? Has Edo State ever identified with Biafra? Haven't Edo State people's denounced and distanced themselves from both Biafra and Oodua Republics?

MelesZenawi:
edo is a yoruba state and much behave as yorubas.

both are same anyway.

Haven't you ever been told that your Obi on Onitsha recently affirmed that Igbos are actually the co-descendants of Oduduwa with Yorubas? And have you ever asked yourself why only Igbo Language shares so many words with Yoruba Language by way of closeness of spellings, similarity in pronounciation and exactness of meanings?
And in any case if criminal murder is now an attitude that confers Yorubaness on people, then Igbos, more than any other tribe, would be same as Yorubas as we all know that Igbos remain the gold medalist tribe when it comes to killing for money. And mind you that two Igbo guys, namely; Terence Ugochukwu and Jahswill Ogbonnaya, assisted the Auchi guy in withdrawing the money despite knowing fully well that their own brother was the murdered owner of the account they were helping the murderer make the withdrawals from. I guess these two Igbo accomplices of Moses are now Yorubas for being accomplices in a bloodshed related crime.
This is how you Igbos' baseless politcal hatred for Edos for not being a PDP state always leads you to self contradictory postulations which have never stood the test of logical analysis.

MelesZenawi:
for once travel and stop disgracing yourself.

even edo state, a yoruba state by proxy u couldn't detect.

was this the kind of free education awo gave u guys?

Aren't you too guilty of same lack of traveling hence poor education by referring to the Edo State as a Yoruba state by proxy? Would you mind mentioning anywhere in Edo State with indegenous Yoruba groups?
Is this the kind of expensive but poor education Zik gave you guys?
Haven't you ever read in the annals of history that your brother Azikiwe who gave you education in the Eastern Region did all he could to get Edo State people out of the Old Western Region due to his conviction of Edos not being Yorubas on account of the suffering Yoruba dominiation over there?

While I condemn the heartless Auchi boy for the crime, I would advise you to leave Edo State out of the age long and unending Igbo vs Yoruba rivalry. Edo is Edo and has nothing to do with Igbo or Yoruba.

OBAGADAFFI:
GSK on full-bid

The full bid could turn to full offer on Monday. The market now is such that no trend is sure to persist for more than 24 - 48 trading hours.

BiafraforTrump:
God forbid. Igbos are not backstabbers and betrayers, such trait resonates with Yorubas alone. We are Igbos! we are Jews!

And you really think Igbos are trustworthy and reliable?

machine606:
Which site is that?. assume it's wel detailed. or is there any other showing real time information on daily trades and quotes.
Thanks

NSE live trades display as seen through Morgan's platform.

webizone:
Ok guys, what do you guys think about Seplat @ #347.40?

It looks, in my eyes, as trying to get the 100,000 units threshold to drop to that price and go further down. Be careful.
The screenshot below may give you an insight.

dharpzee:
JAPAUL moving!!

And someone just said it here yesterday that despite Japaul's announcement of plans to increase their OS by 60bn, the price could rally to the contrary all the same.

BiafraforTrump:
I know an average Edo person to be rugged. I for talk now, how can they allow Godfatherism of the cowardly Yorubas to stand in Edo state, even at a time I was of the opinion that maybe because they say Edos have similar ancestry with Yoruba so godfatherism might stand, but this move by Obaseki has reignited the Edo spirit that i know. Kudos to the MAN for not being a half man like Ambo**.

The relationship between Edo and Yoruba was only in terms of precolonial politcs.

If anything, only Igbos actually share ancestry with Yorubas as recently as affirmed by the Obi of Onitsha amidst a lot of Igbo Language words which bear almost the same spellings and meanings in Igbo.

nurempy77:
There is no supreme Court gov in bayelsa abi

Don't mind that guy. He is obviously living in selective amnesia.

kashtanyi:
Hello,pls how can I get to ibillo town from Benin with bus..tks

Take a vehicle to Auchi and drop an Angle 90, then take a bike to Igarra Park where you will get a vehicle to Ibillo.

gidgiddy:
The above announcement, if made by Ironsi's, did not abolish the 4 Regions. It only designated them "groups of provinces" which is what they already were. Changing the terminology of something does not mean that it is removed. All 4 Regions were still existing long after Ironsi died

If the regions still existed up till and beyond the day Ironsi was killed, then how come the unanimously agreed ultimate objective of Aburi Summit by the participants was that the regions be restored and all Ironsi's decrees abrogated if genuine peace and trust would return?

gidgiddy:
The above announcement, if made by Ironsi's, did not abolish the 4 Regions. It only designated them "groups of provinces" which is what they already were. Changing the terminology of something does not mean that it is removed. All 4 Regions were still existing long after Ironsi died

You are still arguing that Ironsi didn't abolish the regions even after seeing him repeatedly use the word 'former' in reference to the regions and then unequivocally declared that the regions had ceased to exist and Nigeria ceasing to be a federation? I can see that even if Ironsi should wake up from his grave to confess to destroying federalism you will still accuse him of lying against himself.