₦airaland Forum

joeyfire:
Google will bring up ignorant opinions like yours so don't go there So Ironsi criticising the weaknesses of regionalism under Tafawa Balewa = to abolishing the regions

I thought you had something real to offer. Now read carefully...Ironsi until he died, had regional governors who could make laws for their regions. He felt he could strengthen his govt by enacting decree 34 and unifying the civil service (ministries etc) . Gowon created states not Ironsi!

Is it clear now or do we have to connect your brain to a server before you can learn the facts

It is rather disingenuous that you are labouring hard to divorce civil service unification from destruction of federalism. Our secondary school Government textbooks make us understand that the civil service is the only lawful instrument by which a government exercises its powers, generates revenue, manages those revenues and pays its employees salaries and also funds projects. In fact all governnental functions are done through the civil service of that governnent. The existence of any governnent is predicated and premised on her public/civil service.
Now, going by the simple principle above it becomes clear that any governnent which is no longer in control of its civil service is as good as dead and non-existent. So by unifying and centralizing the former regional civil services, Ironsi had implicitly paralyzed and killed the regions and regional governnents. Imagine a situation whereby the FG takes over the Anambra State civil service making the civil servants there become loyal and answerable to only Buhari, will Obiano still be able to run any governnent or claim that Anambra State is still in existence?
It is like removing the engine of a car and arguing that as long as you left the body intact and visible you didn't destroy it. If your mechanic removes the engine of your car, takes it home and then tells you that as long as he left the body intact he has not done any damage to the car, will you give him a pat on the back and even pay for 'services' rendered?

And by the way, how was Ironsi hoping to be able to continue paying the now huge salaries of the centralized civil service without having also unified the regional sources of revenue which the salaries of the regional civil service used to come from, hence automatically dismantling resource control? Or was Ironsi so rich that he had hoped to pay the now centralized/unified civil servants from his personal pocket?

gidgiddy:
What exactly did Ironsi start? Did Ironsi abolish the Regions or not? If you say he abolished the Regions then how come the 4 Regions were still in existence even to the day Ironsi died?

Gowon came in after Ironsi and within months, Gowon abolished the 4 Regions and replaced them with 12 states.

Dwelling on what Ironsi said, rather than what he actually did is the reasoning of kids. I dont care what Ironsi said, Im only interested in what he did and he did nothing wrong

The regions were no longer existing as at when Ironsi was killed. In fact he was killed because he killed the regions and replaced them with very weak provinces.
On arrival in power, Gowon actually made an attempt to restore the regions and was making progress until the need arose for him to halt it due to Ojukwu's intransigence. If Ironsi left the regions as he met them, then how come the original objective of Aburi Summit was unanimously to restore the regions?

gidgiddy:
So in other words, you dont have anything practical that Ironsi abolished Regionalism and removed true federalism except that Ironsi said "All Nigerians want an end to Regionalism"


Well if you dont know it, know it now. Ironsi never abolished the Regions. In fact, all 4 Regions were existing and functioning even up to the day Ironsi was killed.

The person who abolished the Regions was Gowon. Gowon came in after Ironsi and enacted decree 14 of 1967 that abolished all 4 Regions and replaced them with 12 states. The decree is below

If Ironsi's national broadcast of May 24 1966 didn't abolish federalism as you would have us assume, then you could do us a favour by explaining what exactly he meant with the bolded lines in that broadcast as reproduced below:



Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number
of territorial areas called provinces. . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.

The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council. All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and
Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts.........

If anything, Gowon even tried to restore the regions and reverse Ironsi's centripetal decrees with his own new decrees but had to halt the process due to Ojukwu's intransigence about the illegality called Aburi Accord

franchasng:
stop arguing baselessly, it was Gowon that abolished regional government and created states instead.

You are just arguing with prejudice and biased mind, open your mind to learn. I know you are writing based on past lies told by Northern and Yoruba history re-writers who peddled this lie that Ironsi abolished regional government, it is a pure lies, empty it into the thrash can from today!

You are the one who is not very grounded in history. Please refer to my response just above this and explain what Ironsi meant with the bolded lines, or was it that Ironsi was that uneducated to have read a speech prepared for him without really having an understanding of its contents?

franchasng:
You are wrong, try to read history and learn. Stop believing lies some people peddle.

It was Gowon that abolished regional government system in Nigeria not Aguiyi Ironsi.

To clear your doubt, Ojukwu was the Eastern Region Governor, Fajuyi was Western Region Governor, which was where Aguiyi Ironsi was assassinated at Ibadan while on Presidential tour to Western Region.

You guys hate Igbos just for nothing and keep producing lies to hate Igbos for no reason, it don't help you go far.

Aguiyi Ironsi only created decree 34 to give him power as first Nigeria's Military Head of State to have the power to appoint regional government heads, he didn't abolished it, Gowon finally did

If Ironsi didn't abolish the regions as you would have us believe, then could you please tell us exactly what he (Ironsi) meant with the bolded lines in his May 24 1966 national broadcast shared below as follows?:

Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into
effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number
of territorial areas called provinces. . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.
The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council. All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and
Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts. Every civil servant is
now called upon to see his function in any part of Nigeria in which
he is serving in the context of the whole country. The orientation
should now be towards national unity and progress. I expect all
civil servants to co-operate and to consult at all levels, vertically
and horizontally, between groups of Provinces and between Provinces
and the Centre.
People are aware that Study Groups have been set up to look into
various aspects of governmental activity. One of them is concerned
with problem relating to the Constitution. This Decree is without
prejudice to their activities and their reports will be given proper
consideration by the National Military Government in formulating the
proposals for the future civilian government.
In my nation-wide radio broadcast of January 28, 1966, I said, among
other things: "We cannot afford to continue with sterile political
strife and mutual recriminations. I have therefore ordered that
there shall be no display in party flags or symbols, and no shouting
of political slogans.'
On March 3, I caused a press release to be issued calling attention
to the fact that political meetings were, in spite of my order, being
held in certain parts of the country, and warned the public and the
press to cooperate with the Federal Military Government in its tasks
of national reconstruction.
In spite of these warnings, political party activities still
continue, either directly, or through various tribal societies and
organizations. The National Military Government owes it as a duty to
the people of this country to remove the ills which infested the
former regime, to restore the faith of our people in their to remove
the ills which infested the former regime, to restore the faith of
our people in their fatherland and its institutions, so that when the
time comes for the civilian government to return, a healthy body
politic would have emerged, and last vestiges of bitter factionalism
removed.
The National Military Government having committed itself to this
task is firmly resolved to conclude it, and will not be diverted from,
or obstructed in, the fulfillment of this objective by the
activities or political manoeuvres of any society, party, union or
association. Part of our task is the removal of politics based on
tribal affiliations which, as everybody knows, have manifested
political intrigues, or have been used as bases for party-political
propaganda. This leads me to the removal of the second obstacle on
the way for which provision has been made in the Public Order Decree
1966, which I have signed today and which comes into operation
forthwith, dissolving all organizations of the type scheduled therein,
and banning any manifestations of their political purpose. These
organizations have been dissolved and will be buried along with the
tribal, sectional and regional bitterness which they engendered.
Certain types of associations and organizations are unaffected and
will remain so, only for as long as they do not engage in any
political activity. It is the cardinal aim of my Government to foster
the growth of town development unions, membership of which should be
open to all inhabitants of the particular town irrespective of their
tribal origin. This does not mean for instance that Efiks residing
outside Calabar should not contribute towards the development of
Calabar development union but it does mean that a Tiv or Hausa
residing in Calabar should be eligible for membership and should be
allowed to participate fully in the development of that town.
This Decree also prohibits the formation of new political parties.
I must emphasize however that the ban on formation of new political
parties is of limited duration and is designed to enable this
corrective government to get on with its task especially at this
initial stage. At the appropriate time provisions will be made
outlining the procedure for the formation of new political
associations.]
I want however to leave no doubt in the mind of anybody, that the
provisions of this decree will certainly be enforced. This is a
Military Regime and soldiers do not allow themselves to be diverted
from or obstructed in the fulfillment of their objectives. With us
the objectives will be pursued with supreme determination and vigor.
In this we need not only the cooperation but the discipline of every
Nigerian.
I wish to make it clear that the prohibition of the formation of new
political associations has no sinister motive. The limitation period
until the 17th of January 1969 may be reduced if the Military
Government accomplishes its aims before then. Our determination is
that until the two decrees I have signed today are abrogated, every
individual should be preoccupied with the task of national
reconstruction, not as ex-politician, but simply as a Nigerian with
faith in his country's destiny.
Malicious rumours designed to mar our national reconstruction
continue to be carried about by certain individuals in spite of my
repeated warnings. Cases of impersonation of officers of the Armed
Forces are still reported. I have to warn again those who indulge in
these criminal acts to discipline themselves forthwith and not to
provoke us into taking very drastic measures which may otherwise
become necessary.
In pursuance of its policy for achieving national unity, my
Government is setting up a body to review all the existing Government-
sponsored newspapers in the context of national unity. This body
will also recommend the most effective organization for running the
Information, Broadcasting and Television Services in the country and
the financial implications involved.
I must not end this broadcast without pointing out a recent
development which, if not checked, will adversely affect the morale
of the Civil Service and thereby hamper our national reconstruction.
By this I mean the unnecessary criticism recently being leveled
against the Civil Service by certain sections of the Press. It is
common knowledge that civil servants are expected to tender advice to
Ministers but it was not obligatory on the part of the former
Ministers to accept advise so tendered. It will therefore be wrong
to blame civil servants for mistakes made by their Ministers who in
many cases did not accept the advice given to them by these officers.

I have to make it abundantly clear to everyone that my Government
will continue to use the services of the present civil servants.
However, my government believes in maintaining the highest standard
of efficiency in the Civil Service and will not hesitate to do away
with anyone found guilty of inefficiency, nepotism, tribalism and
corruption.
I therefore wish to appeal to all newspaper editors and columnists
to look for a more profitable pastime and desist from criticising
civil servants unnecessarily especially as they realize that because
of the tradition of their calling, civil servants are barred from
defending themselves on the pages of newspapers. Such attacks will
certainly not help the Military Government and is sure eventually to
demoralizes members of the Public Service who are rendering such
noble service to this nation under difficult conditions. If any
member of the public has any genuine case against any civil servant,
he or she should make a report to the appropriate quarters.
We are determined to accomplish the main tasks we have set ourselves.
The various problems involved are being studied by the various
working parties which I have set up. Whilst these studies are in
progress my Government cannot remain at a standstill and must
therefore forge ahead in the meantime. As a corrective regime we
must ensure that the fatal maladies of the past are cured before we
relinquish power. We propose as a last act to give the country an
accurate count as well as a Constitution which will guarantee unity,
freedom, and true democracy to all Nigerians everywhere.
Investigations are proceeding in respect of ex-politicians of the
former regime. Any of them found guilty will be dealt with according
to Law irrespective of their position in the community. My
Government will then consider utilizing the services of those who
have not been found wanting and who are prepared to serve in the
context of national unity.
Nigerians must understand and respect one another in the new
national spirit. Those ex-politicians in different camps who
previously regarded one another as enemies should now forget the past
and work together for the common good.
With the dissolution of political parties and tribal unions I want
all Nigerians everywhere in Nigeria to regard one another not as
strangers but as Nigerians with common nationalists irrespective of
their tribe or place of origin. From henceforth no reference to
tribe or place of origin will appear in any official document. . .
Finally, I appeal to all Nigerians and friends of Nigeria to
cooperate with the Military Government in the difficult task of
national reconstruction........

https://www.dawodu.com/irons2.htm

To all those claiming that the Jan. 15 1966 Coup was plotted and led by Nzeogwu, and based on that assumption, raining insults on other monikers who differ; I beg to ask if Ojukwu and many other figures who wrote books on the topic and credited Ifeajuna from Onitsha with the chief architect of the coup were all telling lies.
Nzeogwu, like Adegboyega - the author of "Why We Struck", were only recruited into the plot just three months to the day of execution.
Moreover, how could Nzeogwu, who was far away in Kaduna, have been the architect and leader of a coup plot that was hatched in Lagos?

Noneroone:
Deadlytruth you sound dead scared about Biafra. If you care to know the truth about Biafra movement, stop getting Biafran news from faceless nairaland.

I scared of a non-existent Biafra which a few Ijaw soldiers buried long ago? You must be a commedian.

Nowenuse:
Deadlytruth my Oshuku ethnic friend .
How far now, long time oo. It's been almost a month.
Na so you just run dem nor see your shadow?
I bet you were so shocked and your blood pressure increased when I knocked you out with the cold fact that you were originally a northerner and not a southerner? I guess the amalgamation saved you.

Ochuku chuku ethnic group I missed hearing that word (bell) from you.

Which facts are you talking about? I have been offline for nearly two months now due to been in the field at a place located in a very remote rural area virtually without network. I am back now to refute your traditional lies. Your nightmare is back. I will soon start responding to your fairy tales.

caracas:
How oga?
The major states are still very much pdp strongly together. The south east , rivers, akwaibom delta n cross river. Come n talk to me the day u apc shits win any of those unique states

So this is how you just deny Bayelsa of major status in the SS just to save face? The day APC clinches any of these four remaining SS states you will again remove it from your list of major SS states. Before now your likes boasted that APC could never capture Bayelsa being the home of GEJ. Even for Edo, you initially at the earliest stages argued that ACN's birthing there was an accident of circumstances wrought by Oshiomhole's personality hence at the expiration of his two terms the state would fall back to its "traditional" PDP base. But once that theory was bursted by the events after Oshiomhole's time, you people began to patronize the sour grape syndrome by beginning to classify Edo online as a NC/SW state.
You will soon say same of Bayelsa by the time Lyon is succeeded by another APC governor. We know how inconsistent and shifty you Ipobians are.

Area4Area:
Land and people grabbers, already shouting afonja but shielding GEJ and PDP after PDPs defeat

Don't mind them. They have to save face now with some reckless rationalizations now that their "we SS/SE" ideology is being proven to be a self delusional assumption.

Jones4190:
QUESTION
APC = PDP, Prove ?
ANSWER
Since we know they are both parties, The 2nd "P" in PDP is a constant and so may not be included in the equation. OR we may as well say APC"P" = PD"P"
"P" = Party
Divide both sides of the equation by the constant "P".
Resulting in APC = PD
This means that if A+P+C = x, Also P+D must be equal to x
Meaning A+P+C = P+D
Using the alphabet A -Z numbers, whereby A = 1 and Z=26
Substituting letters with their corresponding numbers.
A,P,C = 1,16,3
P,D= 16,4
A+P+C = 1+16+3 = 20
P+D= 16+4 = 20
Therefore APC = PDP
QED.

Political mathematician.

Maduawuchukwu:
How does Bayelsa going for Lyon who is APC show lack of unity in the SE/SS block? Is David Lyon whom they voted for Buhari?

I think you should direct that question to your brothers who have been the purveyors of the philosophy that no 'genuine' SS state should have anything to do with APC.

caracas:
On top irrelevant bayelsa with less than 500,000 indigenes. Bros abeg pack go one corner
When we say south south we know the states we are referring to . Not the inconsequential bayelsa or edo

While I don't see how Edo comes into this matter, so Bayelsa too has suddenly become an inconsequential SS state despite being the home state of the very Jonathan for whose 2015 loss you folks hate APC.
I won't be surprised if you online Ipobians soon begin to argue that Bayelsa is not a SS state anymore but now a state in the NC or SW.
While I am actually neutral to Bayelsa people's party choice, my greatest joy about this election is that it has shown the SE/SS attache phenomenon for the fraud it is.

futurism:
1. PDP didn't kill for fun,

2. PDP didn't practice nepotism.

3. It was an inclusive regime.

4. PDP created lots of opportunities

and based on the trajectory of events, it will get worse. Just pray you are not the next victim of APC method of ruling cos I know most of you who support this party feel those complaining are lying and just hating. That was how shiites, atiku, dino, saraki were destroyed by the same party they helped.

An igbo guy has lost his hotel in Abuja and he supported APC. Keke drivers in Abuja have lost their jobs as well and they supported Buhari...

When you become the next victim, there will be no one to save you.

By the statements in bold, even you yourself know you are lying just for political correctness.
Let's take these bolded statements one after the other:

1. If PDP didn't kill for fun, then by which party was Obasanjo in power when he massacred a total of over 5,000 innocent women and children in Odi and Zakibiam, and which party produced Yaradua who, in the name of chasing after militants, ordered JTF to burn down the palace of Gbaramatu monarch?

2. If PDP didn't practice nepotism, then why did Northerners begin to accuse Obasanjo of marginalization beginning from the early days of his administration in 1999? Why did Yaradua appoint as petroleum minister his kinsman Rilwan Lukman who had neither cognate training nor qualification? Why did Atiku offer pioneer EFCC boss position to Ribadu's father from Adamawa like himself, and when that one declined the offer on age grounds he transferred it to his son and in addition appointed Lamorde, another Adamawa son as Ribadu's deputy? How many examples can one even mention?

3. If PDP was all inclusive, then how come an Igbo man never featured in any of its five joint presidential ticket throughout its sixteen years? Or are you implying that you Igbos not worth being counted among citizens?

4. If PDP created opportunities, it was for the enrichment of a few elite at the expense of genuine public interest. And how come Nigeria has remained like this in spite of those opportunities?

I await your response.

Krisuba:
Am having a feeling it will reach 10 by January!! UBA had always been a disappointment to me!!

I still don't understand the rationale behind some folks' passionate love for UBA.

Amujale:
Here, i found a video on the internet and post as you requested above. I hope that is a good enough response.


Cheers.

Unfortunately, your video refused to play.
But here is a screenshot evidence of my position.

Below is the map of the history of the composition of Protectorates extracted from New MacMillan atlas authored by Professor Ijeoma a professor of Geography and History. Auchi and environs fall into the purple parts. You can also see in the purple part the territories now known as Benue State and Kogi East Senatorial District. Auchi areas were never in the brown parts. I guess you will come again to deny ever saying this, and then adjust the claim. Dunce!

Nowenuse:
Take for example, the former Attah of Igala did not pay respects to the Aku Uka of Wukari (I think this was because he was a muslim), he even wore a turban like Emirs did. The current one (a christian) pays respects to the Aku Uka and he abolished the use of turban by any Igala royalty. He proudly claims that Igala people are of Kwararafan origin.

Is the bolded not the point I have been making? He is paying that homage because he feels his people and his own stool have ancestral links to the Wukaris. But neither the Etsakos nor the Otaru of Auchi lineage has any ancestral links with The Caliphate of Sokoto. Etsakos' roots are in Benin hence Otaru of Auchi pays homage to the Benin palace. This is very simple and clear analysis that needs no discombobulation.

Nowenuse:
The current Pankwal of Bogghom in Plateau state is a muslim and he acknowledges his subserviency as an Emir to the caliphate. He functions as an Emir. If tomorrow a christian emerges as the new Pankwal, he may decide to abolish everything that comes with an Emirate and nobody may be able to do anything about it, if his people are okay with it. Infact the current muslim one may just decide to abstain from identifying with the caliphate and nothing happens unless his people challenge him.
However, a christian may never be a Pankwal because as an Emirate which it functions as, it is forbidden for a christian to take this title.

It is obvious that kinship in this place you mentioned is not by inheritance but by democratic selection hence they have no dynasty to warrant the talk of their monarchical line having ancestral links with the Sokoto Caliphate?
Recall that theme of this issue is that a monarchical lineage with ancestral links to the Caliphate must be paying homage or at least giving the caliphate its due recognition while the opposite would be the case for a dynasty not linked by blood to the caliphate. So this example you gave above is totally off the mark.

Nowenuse:
Can a christian become the Otaru of Auchi? This is one question you will ask yourself to know the roots of the Auchi stoolship.

The Auchi stool is by inheritance within the present Ikelebe Dynasty. If the heir to the throne at a point decides to convert to Christianity, or better still if all heirs become Christians, you think anything will move the kinship outside the dynasty just to deny a Christian of it? You must be very naive.

Nowenuse:
I heard the Otaru once say in an interview that he is considering changing the way Auchi kingship functions which forbids a non-muslim from being a traditional ruler, considering the fact that so many of his people are now christians as opposed to before. What does this tell you? I can look for the link and post it here if you want to see it.

Like I have already explained, Auchi monarchy is by inheritance and the family holding it is a moslem dominated one hence it is automatic that the system by default (not by custom as you would like to claim) forbids Christians from becoming king. If it was a matter of custom, would the Otaru be considering changing the custom just like that? Were Auchi people originally Christians or moslems to warrant the assumption that Islam is part of the culture of the Auchi palace?

Nowenuse:
What do you mean by saying I am cooking up new lies?
Is there no Waziri of Auchi? Can't you see how ignorant you are of the culture of your own people??
For your info, you ignorant idiot. Prof Zakariya Oseni is the Waziri of Auchi.
When I was in a community in South Ibie, they showed me the Magajiya of the community.
Where did all these roles come from? These are all titles of an Emirate if you don't know.

You this idiotic chameleon will never stop shifting from one lie to another. Our bone of contention here is that the Jihadists weren't able to install a Fulani Emir in Auchi or an Emirate anywhere in Etsako. Do the existence of Waziri of Auchi and Magaiya of South Ibie confer Fulani Caliphate ancestral/blood links on the present Ikelebe Dynasty of Auchi? This is the question you fool has refused to answer but choose to keep parambulating in conjectures.

Nowenuse:
And just for the records, your entire Afemai land was constantly raided and invaded by the Nupes and was rightfully considered a property of the Nupes. This was why Auchi was originally under the Northern protectorate before it was later transferred to the Southern protectorate in exchange for Idah which was under the South and later transferred to the north.

Hear the lying idiot. Weren't Nupe raids also witnessed in parts of Ekiti and Ondo States? Did that also make them property of the Nupes? Weren't Benin raids witnessed in Idah and environs? Did that ever make Igala territory a property of Binis? When was Auchi -ever in the Northern Protectorate? You are so gifted in lying shamelessly.
The only places which were ever in a moved from one Protectorate another are the whole of present Benue State and the whole of the present Kogi East Senatorial District which were moved from the Southern Protectorate to the Northern Protectorate in the fifties. I have severally uploaded the historical map of the Protectorates here to prove this.

Nowenuse:
I know you will open your mouth to start arguing and spitting like an epileptic patient if you have never heard of this before and just hearing it for the first time. But if I were you, I would do some research before allowing the diarrhea-hands sickness to manifest

Only a fool and lying bigot like you would make such a shameless claim and rather than provide evidence, would ask his opponent to go and find the evidence himself in the name of research. If you were sincere, then what is stopping you yourself who discovered it through your own supposed research from just putting up the evidence here? Very dubious and extremely dishonest and manipulative psycopath.

Nowenuse:
Have you ever asked yourself how Yoruba speaking Kwara south & Kogi west ended up in the North? This was the same reason why! Kwara south was considered a property of Ilorin emirate while Okun land (Kogi west) was considered a property of Bida emirate by the colonialists. Otherwise, these places would have been rightfully part of the south.

No one would fall for your use of verisimilitude to prove a blatant lie. Show pictorial evidences that Auchi was ever in the Northern Protectorate or forever shut your serpentine lying mouth. If Auchi was successfully carved back into the South after supposedly being in the North initially as you claim, then why couldn't those who did that of Auchi also do that for the Kwara Yorubas, the Okuns, etc? You have a very strong passion for lying.

Nowenuse:
Better thank me for these lessons.

Lessons from a lying bigot! brain, for a place to come under Jihad is not synonymous with conquest. According to all dictionaries, a Jihad is a holy war fought by moslems. A screenshot of the online dictionary definition is attached below. A war can be either won or lost except you are trying to tell me that Jihad wars are never lost which we know is a big fat lie through the Edo-North experience and evidence. There is no conjecture you won't fabricate to validate your bursted lies. So evangelism by persuation or deception has become a method of war? If the caliphate used deception in some instances to spread, then it is no longer a Jihad. Aren't we Christians doing evangelism of persuation based on reason too? Are we therefore fighting a physical war by so doing?
The Illorin case you mentioned still had to be completed by physical attack. At least the afonja story is all over. He was deceived into being used to physically fight his own people for a promise of reward but when it was time, himself was physically attacked and edged out. Stop all these revisionism. The Etsako experience we are even talkig about was 100% physical battle between the Jihadist and the Benin Soldier who won the war. Why you have vestiges of islamic culture in Etsako is that the Benin soldiers didn't arrive in time hence the Jihadists had forcefully converted some locals to islam. But before they could capture the seat of power, the Benin soldiers had arrived.

Nowenuse:
The caliphate does not work the way your mind thinks it works okay? Emirates in Nigeria are not necessitated to pay homage to the caliphate or have the Sultan present at their coronations. It doesn't work like that in their culture. To them, these things are done out of freewill but this does not change the fact that they know their hierarchies.
The fact that it works that way in Benin culture does not make it a standard for other cultures.

Another hefty lie. Can you show me a Fulani emir stool which the Sokoto Caliphate or Kano Emirate allows to pay homage to a Southern or even Middle Beltern Monarch as a proof of this freewill? If you can't, then forever shut your lying and revisionist mouth.

Nowenuse:
Besides, ever since the colonial relegations of the power of our traditional rulers, their supremacy has become fluid, unclear and purely ceremonial. So people of a certain area can decide to change things and nobody worries. The Otaru can decide he is not part of the caliphate and nothing will happen, especially if he is backed by the Edo state government who is officially in charge of all traditional activities in the state.

Then why doesn't the Otaru of Auchi or at least any other Southern Monarch decide to pay homage to a Northern monarch if we are to go by this your twist? Look, from Delta State, the Olu of Warri (The Itsekiris' monarch) pays homage to the Oba of Benin in Edo State because according to Itsekiris themselves, the Olu is a direct descendant of the Benin Palace. When the last Olu of Warri died shortly after the last Oba of Benin died too, the Itsekiris decided entirely on their own to, wait for the Benin Palace to start and end all the processes for the selection and inauguration of the successor of the Oba before they commenced their Olu replacement. When asked why, they explained that they can't make Olu dishonour his father, and they are not ready to change that tradition as they are actually tied to Benin. Why doesn't Delta State Government stop Itsekiris from doing so if the State Governments are really officially in charge to the extent that they can violate historical allegiances. Even till today in several Urhobo Kingdoms, their coronation of new kings is seen by they themselves as not concluded prior to the arrival of delegates from the Benin Palace. In some cases they don't even start the coronation activities at all without the arrival of Benin palace delegates. These are two different states with their separate and totally independent State governments. In essence, the Otaru of Auchi would have likewise been paying homage to the Sokoto Caliphate had he really any ancestral links with the Sultan, and the Edo State Government wouldn't have been able to stop him. But that he doesn't, simply means that the Jihadists never actually conquered Auchi let alone impose a Fulani dynasty there.

Nowenuse:
Take for example, the former Attah of Igala did not pay respects to the Aku Uka of Wukari (I think this was because he was a muslim), he even wore a turban like Emirs did. The current one (a christian) pays respects to the Aku Uka and he abolished the use of turban by any Igala royalty. He proudly claims that Igala people are of Kwararafan origin.

Is the bolded not the point I have been making? He is paying that homage because he feels his people and his own stool have ancestral links to the Wukaris. But neither the Etsakos nor the Otaru of Auchi lineage has any ancestral links with The Caliphate of Sokoto. Etsakos' roots are in Benin hence Otaru of Auchi pays homage to the Benin palace. This is very simple and clear analysis that needs no discombobulation.

Nowenuse:
The current Pankwal of Bogghom in Plateau state is a muslim and he acknowledges his subserviency as an Emir to the caliphate. He functions as an Emir. If tomorrow a christian emerges as the new Pankwal, he may decide to abolish everything that comes with an Emirate and nobody may be able to do anything about it, if his people are okay with it. Infact the current muslim one may just decide to abstain from identifying with the caliphate and nothing happens unless his people challenge him.
However, a christian may never be a Pankwal because as an Emirate which it functions as, it is forbidden for a christian to take this title.

It is obvious that kinship in this place you mentioned is not by inheritance but by democratic selection hence they have no dynasty to warrant the talk of their monarchical line having ancestral links with the Sokoto Caliphate?
Recall that theme of this issue is that a monarchical lineage with ancestral links to the Caliphate must be paying homage or at least giving the caliphate its due recognition while the opposite would be the case for a dynasty not linked by blood to the caliphate. So this example you gave above is totally off the mark.

Nowenuse:
Can a christian become the Otaru of Auchi? This is one question you will ask yourself to know the roots of the Auchi stoolship.

The Auchi stool is by inheritance within the present Ikelebe Dynasty. If the heir to the throne at a point decides to convert to Christianity, or better still if all heirs become Christians, you think anything will move the kinship outside the dynasty just to deny a Christian of it? You must be very naive.

Nowenuse:
I heard the Otaru once say in an interview that he is considering changing the way Auchi kingship functions which forbids a non-muslim from being a traditional ruler, considering the fact that so many of his people are now christians as opposed to before. What does this tell you? I can look for the link and post it here if you want to see it.

Like I have already explained, Auchi monarchy is by inheritance and the family holding it is a moslem dominated one hence it is automatic that the system by default (not by custom as you would like to claim) forbids Christians from becoming king. If it was a matter of custom, would the Otaru be considering changing the custom just like that? Were Auchi people originally Christians or moslems to warrant the assumption that Islam is part of the culture of the Auchi palace?

Nowenuse:
What do you mean by saying I am cooking up new lies?
Is there no Waziri of Auchi? Can't you see how ignorant you are of the culture of your own people??
For your info, you ignorant idiot. Prof Zakariya Oseni is the Waziri of Auchi.
When I was in a community in South Ibie, they showed me the Magajiya of the community.
Where did all these roles come from? These are all titles of an Emirate if you don't know.

You this idiotic chameleon will never stop shifting from one lie to another. Our bone of contention here is that the Jihadists weren't able to install a Fulani Emir in Auchi or an Emirate anywhere in Etsako. Do the existence of Waziri of Auchi and Magaiya of South Ibie confer Fulani Caliphate ancestral/blood links on the present Ikelebe Dynasty of Auchi? This is the question you fool has refused to answer but choose to keep parambulating in conjectures.

Nowenuse:
And just for the records, your entire Afemai land was constantly raided and invaded by the Nupes and was rightfully considered a property of the Nupes. This was why Auchi was originally under the Northern protectorate before it was later transferred to the Southern protectorate in exchange for Idah which was under the South and later transferred to the north.

Hear the lying idiot. Weren't Nupe raids also witnessed in parts of Ekiti and Ondo States? Did that also make them property of the Nupes? Weren't Benin raids witnessed in Idah and environs? Did that ever make Igala territory a property of Binis? When was Auchi -ever in the Northern Protectorate? You are so gifted in lying shamelessly.
The only places which were ever in a moved from one Protectorate another are the whole of present Benue State and the whole of the present Kogi East Senatorial District which were moved from the Southern Protectorate to the Northern Protectorate in the fifties. I have severally uploaded the historical map of the Protectorates here to prove this.

Nowenuse:
I know you will open your mouth to start arguing and spitting like an epileptic patient if you have never heard of this before and just hearing it for the first time. But if I were you, I would do some research before allowing the diarrhea-hands sickness to manifest

Only a fool and lying bigot like you would make such a shameless claim and rather than provide evidence, would ask his opponent to go and find the evidence himself in the name of research. If you were sincere, then what is stopping you yourself who discovered it through your own supposed research from just putting up the evidence here? Very dubious and extremely dishonest and manipulative psycopath.

Nowenuse:
Have you ever asked yourself how Yoruba speaking Kwara south & Kogi west ended up in the North? This was the same reason why! Kwara south was considered a property of Ilorin emirate while Okun land (Kogi west) was considered a property of Bida emirate by the colonialists. Otherwise, these places would have been rightfully part of the south.

No one would fall for your use of verisimilitude to prove a blatant lie. Show pictorial evidences that Auchi was ever in the Northern Protectorate or forever shut your serpentine lying mouth. If Auchi was successfully carved back into the South after supposedly being in the North initially as you claim, then why couldn't those who did that of Auchi also do that for the Kwara Yorubas, the Okuns, etc? You have a very strong passion for lying.

Nowenuse:
Better thank me for these lessons.

Lessons from a lying bigot!

Nowenuse:
You were swearing up and down that no Etuno person claims to be Ebira, only for AdeizaPaul to show you a video of your traditional ruler claiming to be Ebira. You rubbished it.

Can you screenshoot where I swore as you allege above you shameless liar from the pit of hell? I made it clear that except those handful of Etunos seeking political correctness geared towards playing victim card to draw the Edo State Government's attention, none of them claims Ebira identity based on genuine enlightened conviction. Then Adeiza went and produced the video and I quickly pointed it out to him that the man is a perfect example of the type whom I say do so for political correctness and attention seeking. Seeing that I crushed his attempt with a superior argument, he gave another instance of one Etuno man seeking Ebiras support for his ambition towards EDHA. Then i proved it a lie by simply asking him whether people of Kogi State can vote in an Edo State House of Assembly election to warrant the Etuno man seeking such support as alleged. Then he ran away. Your repeated claim that I rubbished other's submissions is actually a Freudian slip confession of the superiority of my arguments and counter claims against theirs.

Nowenuse:
You dared me that no Owan or claims Afemai, I showed you the official website of the Owan diaspora in USA addressing their town as an Afemai town. You rubbished it
becausemade mention of renowned Akoko edo intelligentsia who claimed that they have yoruba origins, you rubbished it. How many more can I mention, yet you have the audacity to call yourself the ambassador of truth? You are an ambassador of shamelessness, madness & stupidity combined.

It is obvious you are a high Commissioner and minister of lies, duplicity, and a chameleon in chief. I asked you to show me evidence that there are Akoko-Edos or Owan individuals who identify themselves as Afemais in the ethnographics sense, but after searching the cyber space to no avail, all you could shamelessly come up with was the website of an Owan political group which claimed Afemai membership the political sense. Are you sure you are normal at all? Is an individual synonymous with a politically motivated group? Meanwhile the same you had already argued earlier on that Afemai is not a tribe in the ethnographic sense. Can't you see that you don't even know what exactly you are saying? This is the result of trying to tell a people that you know them more than they know themselves.
Of course I am an ambassador of and that is why my submission get on the nerves of liars and crass revisionists like you who jump from one thread to the other distorting peoples' identity and history. You are indeed born and brought up with a very rich diet of lies. Shameless turncoat.

Nowenuse:
Let me assume that what you are saying here actually happened. How does this translate to me interfering in Igbo personal issues?

It was an argument between me and an Igbo moniker on how the Igbo political elite caused the political misfortune and developmental retardation of the South. Your coming into it was an interference because you were neither Igbo nor a Southerner.

Nowenuse:
You can only make a point about this when you see me arguing with Igbos on their personal thread about their personal issues like their cultures, language, food, names e.t.c. Especially when they do not in any way make mention of my people in that thread. I can boldy say that something like this has never happened.

As if anyone made mention of your people in the alleged Edo's Yoruba origin debate before you jumped in uninvited. Even the mention of Nupe names didn't concern you as you are neither Nupe by tribe, but you interfered all the same because you wanted to show off your so called knowledge which is actually a pack of misinformation and outright lies. Your tribe was also not mentioned in the Etuno vs Ebira issue into which you also found a way to poke your ugly head full of lies. Who even really knows your obscure tribe let alone mention it?
Your previous claim that you are bound to correct other people's 'exaggerted' assertions about themselves was actually an advance confession that you don't really need the mention of your people before you jump into any thread or debate that doesn't concern you.

Nowenuse:
If you are not an ignoramus, you will know that in the Nigeria of today, my people and Hausa-fulanis share the same geopolitical zones, we share states, heck we even share local govt areas and council wards!

If you were not an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions, you would by this alone have realized that I am vindicated for my position that you therefore can never really be separated from Hausafulanis hence the socalled Middle Belt pursuit has been defeated or else how exactly do you physically separate yourselves from these wards which are ancestral lands to both you and Hausafulanis mixed together?

Nowenuse:
I do not like Ebiras (which I said) is not synonymous with 'I hate Ebiras' which you are now forcing into my mouth as the manipulative psychopath that you are. Hate is a stronger word which I never used.
You have now added Igbos. How and where have I claimed dislike for Igbos? Show me or forever remain the nincompoop that you are.

So in your manipulation infested brain, not to like someone means not to hate him? You must have failed English Language repeatedly. In philosophy and logic the word 'not' is the negation of an assertion, and negation means the exact opposite. In a logical truth table of love versus hate, 'I don't like' automatically goes to the column of hate. Simple. How can you say you don't like a people and at the same time you don't hate them? Does that make sense? It is also similar to saying you don't hate Mr. A but that doesn't mean you like him. You are getting more and more confused honestly. Why would you just not like a people in the first instance? What did they do to you? This is how your likes hypocritically preach national unity yet you harbour hate, resentment, and other wicked emotions deep down in your hearts against others. So much for an ambassador of national unity. I only hope the Ebiras here who might have been admiring you all along for trying to help them suppress the Oshuku identity under the Ebira tag are able to see now clearly that it is not as if you are doing it genuinely out of love for them or in their Interest.
Now this analysis I am about making is very important as it exposes your whole dubious intent. In your assumption, Etunos are Ebiras, right? And you now claim you hate Ebiras meaning you hate Etunos. So isn't it now obvious that you have a personal axe to grind with an Etuno person and you have decided to take it out on all Etunos whom you have come to hate so much for no good reason? See yourself?

Nowenuse:
Ignoramus. For a place to be conquered by jihad and come under jihad is synonymous. It depends on the context.
Nupe land for example came under the caliphate, not by direct military conquest, but by deception, same with Ilorin. Yola came under the caliphate by direct military conquest. They all CAME UNDER, but by different means. Nupe and Ilorin came under by the same means, but yet Ilorin title is Emir but Nupe title is Etsu and this does not change anything about their subserviency to the caliphate.

Mr. Rotten brain, for a place to come under Jihad is not synonymous with conquest. According to all dictionaries, a Jihad is a holy war fought by moslems. A screenshot of the online dictionary definition is attached below. A war can be either won or lost except you are trying to tell me that Jihad wars are never lost which we know is a big fat lie through the Edo-North experience and evidence. There is no conjecture you won't fabricate to validate your bursted lies. So evangelism by persuation or deception has become a method of war? If the caliphate used deception in some instances to spread, then it is no longer a Jihad. Aren't we Christians doing evangelism of persuation based on reason too? Are we therefore fighting a physical war by so doing?
The Illorin case you mentioned still had to be completed by physical attack. At least the afonja story is all over. He was deceived into being used to physically fight his own people for a promise of reward but when it was time, himself was physically attacked and edged out. Stop all these revisionism. The Etsako experience we are even talkig about was 100% physical battle between the Jihadist and the Benin Soldier who won the war. Why you have vestiges of islamic culture in Etsako is that the Benin soldiers didn't arrive in time hence the Jihadists had forcefully converted some locals to islam. But before they could capture the seat of power, the Benin soldiers had arrived.

Nowenuse:
The caliphate does not work the way your mind thinks it works okay? Emirates in Nigeria are not necessitated to pay homage to the caliphate or have the Sultan present at their coronations. It doesn't work like that in their culture. To them, these things are done out of freewill but this does not change the fact that they know their hierarchies.
The fact that it works that way in Benin culture does not make it a standard for other cultures.

Another hefty lie. Can you show me a Fulani emir stool which the Sokoto Caliphate or Kano Emirate allows to pay homage to a Southern or even Middle Beltern Monarch as a proof of this freewill? If you can't, then forever shut your lying and revisionist mouth.

Nowenuse:
Besides, ever since the colonial relegations of the power of our traditional rulers, their supremacy has become fluid, unclear and purely ceremonial. So people of a certain area can decide to change things and nobody worries. The Otaru can decide he is not part of the caliphate and nothing will happen, especially if he is backed by the Edo state government who is officially in charge of all traditional activities in the state.

Then why doesn't the Otaru of Auchi or at least any other Southern Monarch decide to pay homage to a Northern monarch if we are to go by this your twist? Look, from Delta State, the Olu of Warri (The Itsekiris' monarch) pays homage to the Oba of Benin in Edo State because according to Itsekiris themselves, the Olu is a direct descendant of the Benin Palace. When the last Olu of Warri died shortly after the last Oba of Benin died too, the Itsekiris decided entirely on their own to, wait for the Benin Palace to start and end all the processes for the selection and inauguration of the successor of the Oba before they commenced their Olu replacement. When asked why, they explained that they can't make Olu dishonour his father, and they are not ready to change that tradition as they are actually tied to Benin. Why doesn't Delta State Government stop Itsekiris from doing so if the State Governments are really officially in charge to the extent that they can violate historical allegiances. Even till today in several Urhobo Kingdoms, their coronation of new kings is seen by they themselves as not concluded prior to the arrival of delegates from the Benin Palace. In some cases they don't even start the coronation activities at all without the arrival of Benin palace delegates. These are two different states with their separate and totally independent State governments. In essence, the Otaru of Auchi would have likewise been paying homage to the Sokoto Caliphate had he really any ancestral links with the Sultan, and the Edo State Government wouldn't have been able to stop him. But that he doesn't, simply means that the Jihadists never actually conquered Auchi let alone impose a Fulani dynasty there.

Nowenuse:
Lol, you are known to be a shameless liar bros. In that Ibillo thread, your lies were busted times without number.
The problem with you is that you swear with all your might that something does not exist, the next moment, you are given hard undeniable facts, instead of you to shut up and admit your mistake, you go about shamelessly trying to undermine people's opinion. People who have a higher reputation and standing than you immediately have their narratives rubbished by you. Is this not a symptom of madness, shamelesness and stupidity combined?

This is actually your trait as you are the one who have been making claims here and later turning around to adjust them when bursted. You lied that many Afemais are of Nupe origin but when bursted you adjuged it to "some Afemais are of Nupe origin". You also lied shamelessly that there is nothing like Oshuku and claimed that Paul Adeiza didn't agree to it, but when I uploaded a screenshot of Paul Adeiza's acknowledgement of it, you began to deny ever claiming that Oshuku doesn't exist. You are the shameless liar here. Can you mention just one assertion I made here and later adjusted it like you have been doing? On the other Ibillo thread, it was those Yoruba guys who first claimed that there are Akoko-Edo towns founded by Yorubas. When I asked them to mention those towns, they changed tune to saying that they only claimed that there is Yoruba influence. One of them was even shameless enough to mention Aiyetoro, and I told him the hard truth that Aiyetoro is not a village or town but a farming camp established by Unemes and Eniras but so named by Isua Yorubas who first came to buy their farm produce. I drew his attention to the fact that there is no monarch there and that the place has no recognized boundaries. He ran away from henceforth. The fact that these are the kind of persons you admire means you are exactly like them. Come to think of it, they spent a long time on the thread trying to tell others who they are, and it is exactly the same thing you are doing here. A person telling others who they are must tell lies and later turn around to deny them as he can never really know them more than they know themselves. If Edos are of Yoruba origin according to those guys, and Edos are of Nupe origin according to you, yet you claim those guys were right just because I took them up, then it shows you don't even know what you are saying. How can a particular people have two different ancestral origins? Can't you see that you are the one suffering from extreme stupidity and brain sickness combined?

Nowenuse:
You were swearing up and down that no Etuno person claims to be Ebira, only for AdeizaPaul to show you a video of your traditional ruler claiming to be Ebira. You rubbished it.

Can you screenshoot where I swore as you allege above you shameless liar from the pit of hell? I made it clear that except those handful of Etunos seeking political correctness geared towards playing victim card to draw the Edo State Government's attention, none of them claims Ebira identity based on genuine enlightened conviction. Then Adeiza went and produced the video and I quickly pointed it out to him that the man is a perfect example of the type whom I say do so for political correctness and attention seeking. Seeing that I crushed his attempt with a superior argument, he gave another instance of one Etuno man seeking Ebiras support for his ambition towards EDHA. Then i proved it a lie by simply asking him whether people of Kogi State can vote in an Edo State House of Assembly election to warrant the Etuno man seeking such support as alleged. Then he ran away. Your repeated claim that I rubbished other's submissions is actually a Freudian slip confession of the superiority of my arguments and counter claims against theirs.

Nowenuse:
You dared me that no Owan or claims Afemai, I showed you the official website of the Owan diaspora in USA addressing their town as an Afemai town. You rubbished it
becausemade mention of renowned Akoko edo intelligentsia who claimed that they have yoruba origins, you rubbished it. How many more can I mention, yet you have the audacity to call yourself the ambassador of truth? You are an ambassador of shamelessness, madness & stupidity combined.

It is obvious you are a high Commissioner and minister of lies, duplicity, and a chameleon in chief. I asked you to show me evidence that there are Akoko-Edos or Owan individuals who identify themselves as Afemais in the ethnographics sense, but after searching the cyber space to no avail, all you could shamelessly come up with was the website of an Owan political group which claimed Afemai membership the political sense. Are you sure you are normal at all? Is an individual synonymous with a politically motivated group? Meanwhile the same you had already argued earlier on that Afemai is not a tribe in the ethnographic sense. Can't you see that you don't even know what exactly you are saying? This is the result of trying to tell a people that you know them more than they know themselves.
So your block and coconut head didn't see a lot of other Akoko-Edo monikers other than me who came into that thread to rubbish the claims of those so called Akoko-Edo intelligentsias who were claiming Yoruba origin for political correctness and benefits within the Yoruba areas they resided in the diaspora? You didn't see where they couldn't answer me if Oba Akiolu's claim of him and his family being of Benin descent means Lagos was founded by non Binis? You are indeed a maggot!
Of course I am an ambassador of and that is why my submission get on the nerves of liars and crass revisionists like you who jump from one thread to the other distorting peoples' identity and history. You are indeed born and brought up with a very rich diet of lies. Shameless turncoat.

Nowenuse:
Let me assume that what you are saying here actually happened. How does this translate to me interfering in Igbo personal issues?

It was an argument between me and an Igbo moniker on how the Igbo political elite caused the political misfortune and developmental retardation of the South. Your coming into it was an interference because you were neither Igbo nor a Southerner.

Nowenuse:
You can only make a point about this when you see me arguing with Igbos on their personal thread about their personal issues like their cultures, language, food, names e.t.c. Especially when they do not in any way make mention of my people in that thread. I can boldy say that something like this has never happened.

As if anyone made mention of your people in the alleged Edo's Yoruba origin debate before you jumped in uninvited. Even the mention of Nupe names didn't concern you as you are neither Nupe by tribe, but you interfered all the same because you wanted to show off your so called knowledge which is actually a pack of misinformation and outright lies. Your tribe was also not mentioned in the Etuno vs Ebira issue into which you also found a way to poke your ugly head full of lies. Who even really knows your obscure tribe let alone mention it?
Your previous claim that you are bound to correct other people's 'exaggerted' assertions about themselves was actually an advance confession that you don't really need the mention of your people before you jump into any thread or debate that doesn't concern you.

Nowenuse:
If you are not an ignoramus, you will know that in the Nigeria of today, my people and Hausa-fulanis share the same geopolitical zones, we share states, heck we even share local govt areas and council wards!

If you were not an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions, you would by this alone have realized that I am vindicated for my position that you therefore can never really be separated from Hausafulanis hence the socalled Middle Belt pursuit has been defeated or else how exactly do you physically separate yourselves from these wards which are ancestral lands to both you and Hausafulanis mixed together?

Nowenuse:
I do not like Ebiras (which I said) is not synonymous with 'I hate Ebiras' which you are now forcing into my mouth as the manipulative psychopath that you are. Hate is a stronger word which I never used.
You have now added Igbos. How and where have I claimed dislike for Igbos? Show me or forever remain the nincompoop that you are.

So in your manipulation infested brain, not to like someone means not to hate him? You must have failed English Language repeatedly. In philosophy and logic the word 'not' is the negation of an assertion, and negation means the exact opposite. In a logical truth table of love versus hate, 'I don't like' automatically goes to the column of hate. Simple. How can you say you don't like a people and at the same time you don't hate them? Does that make sense? It is also similar to saying you don't hate Mr. A but that doesn't mean you like him. You are getting more and more confused honestly. Why would you just not like a people in the first instance? What did they do to you? This is how your likes hypocritically preach national unity yet you harbour hate, resentment, and other wicked emotions deep down in your hearts against others. So much for an ambassador of national unity. I only hope the Ebiras here who might have been admiring you all along for trying to help them suppress the Oshuku identity under the Ebira tag are able to see now clearly that it is not as if you are doing it genuinely out of love for them or in their Interest.
Now this analysis I am about making is very important as it exposes your whole dubious intent. In your assumption, Etunos are Ebiras, right? And you now claim you hate Ebiras meaning you hate Etunos. So isn't it now obvious that you have a personal axe to grind with an Etuno person and you have decided to take it out on all Etunos whom you have come to hate so much for no good reason? See yourself?

Nowenuse:
Ignoramus. For a place to be conquered by jihad and come under jihad is synonymous. It depends on the context.
Nupe land for example came under the caliphate, not by direct military conquest, but by deception, same with Ilorin. Yola came under the caliphate by direct military conquest. They all CAME UNDER, but by different means. Nupe and Ilorin came under by the same means, but yet Ilorin title is Emir but Nupe title is Etsu and this does not change anything about their subserviency to the caliphate.

There is no length you can't go in trying to make your shameless lies appear as truth as you have even gone as far as rewriting the dictionary towards changing the meaning of Jihad to suit your false narrative. You have no iota of shame left in you.
Below is an attached screencapture of the online dictionary's definition of Jihad according to which the term means a holy war fought by moslems. It didn't mention conquest as an integral part of Jihad. That a place came under a moslems' holy war does't automatically translate to conquest as wars could be won or lost. Except you are now trying to as usual lie that moslems won all the holy wars they ever fought in history. You are simply pathetic!
You still lied again about the Illorin issue despite the afonja story is one of the most popular on NL. Illorin was conquerd through physical attack. Afonja was deceived into physically attacking his own people in exchange for a promise but when it was time for it to be honored he was attacked and denied. So it was a war all the same. If your new shameless twist is anything to go by, then we Christian's use of persuation based on reason but which some see as deception with the instrumentality of false miracles can be said to be a holy physical war, right? You are a travesty of common sense.

Nowenuse:
Lol, you are known to be a shameless liar bros. In that Ibillo thread, your lies were busted times without number.
The problem with you is that you swear with all your might that something does not exist, the next moment, you are given hard undeniable facts, instead of you to shut up and admit your mistake, you go about shamelessly trying to undermine people's opinion. People who have a higher reputation and standing than you immediately have their narratives rubbished by you. Is this not a symptom of madness, shamelesness and stupidity combined?

This is actually your trait as you are the one who have been making claims here and later turning around to adjust them when bursted. You lied that many Afemais are of Nupe origin but when bursted you adjuged it to "some Afemais are of Nupe origin". You also lied shamelessly that there is nothing like Oshuku and claimed that Paul Adeiza didn't agree to it, but when I uploaded a screenshot of Paul Adeiza's acknowledgement of it, you began to deny ever claiming that Oshuku doesn't exist. You are the shameless liar here. Can you mention just one assertion I made here and later adjusted it like you have been doing? On the other Ibillo thread, it was those Yoruba guys who first claimed that there are Akoko-Edo towns founded by Yorubas. When I asked them to mention those towns, they changed tune to saying that they only claimed that there is Yoruba influence. One of them was even shameless enough to mention Aiyetoro, and I told him the hard truth that Aiyetoro is not a village or town but a farming camp established by Unemes and Eniras but so named by Isua Yorubas who first came to buy their farm produce. I drew his attention to the fact that there is no monarch there and that the place has no recognized boundaries. He ran away from henceforth. The fact that these are the kind of persons you admire means you are exactly like them. Come to think of it, they spent a long time on the thread trying to tell others who they are, and it is exactly the same thing you are doing here. A person telling others who they are must tell lies and later turn around to deny them as he can never really know them more than they know themselves. If Edos are of Yoruba origin according to those guys, and Edos are of Nupe origin according to you, yet you claim those guys were right just because I took them up, then it shows you don't even know what you are saying. How can a particular people have two different ancestral origins? Can't you see that you are the one suffering from extreme stupidity and brain sickness combined?

Nowenuse:
Gosh, the earlier I end this conversation with you the better for me, cos to think of it I am actually downgrading my reputation and intellect arguing with a madman like you.

You better exit the thread because your blunders and inconsistencies are beginning to brim
over. Your commendation of error filled Ethnologue website as the world's most renowned ethnographic platform says it all.

Nowenuse:
Who knows who you will go ahead to rubbish very soon? The federal govt authority? The American govt? The Bible? Your father? The Otaru of Igarra?[/b]

Hasn't it ever occurred to you that you have already rubbished the federal government by intially claiming that it alone could define and classify ethnicities only for you to shift the credit to an error ridden Ethnologue run by the very Americans you yourself accused of imposing Hausafulani cultural identity on your tribe? Hasn't it also occurred to you that you have already rubbished the Otaru of Igarra by defending a video made by a traditional figure making claims without consulting with the other traditional figures of the community which include Otaru of Igarra?
You have simply lost steam and only now displaying the antics of a drowning man.

Nowenuse:
Yes the majority of us middlebelters are no longer close to Hausa fulanis and religion is the main dividing factor. How is that wrong with me saying if my people were muslims, we would have blended with Hausa fulanis? Is that not the truth?

Were you middle belters Moslems as at the time you claim to have been close to them in the past? You just enjoy making illogical assertions. If you are no longer close to them, then why do you still use their language as your lingua Franca, dress like them, bear their names, etc. You fool no one.

Nowenuse:
Can't you see how stupíd you are? Since when has a dividing issue as religion become a TEMPORARY challenge? Religion has divided families into different countries/nationalities and a nincompóop like you calls it a temporary challenge? . You are worse than a clown.

How come religion is a permanent challenge in your deluded brain yet you people were closely united with Hausafulanis during Ahmadu Bello's era when you were already Christians? In fact over 80% of the Northern soldiers who plotted the toppling of Ironsi, killed him and massacred thousands of Igbo officers and civilians in the counter coup to avenge Ahmadu Bello's and Tafawa Belewa's assassination by Nzeogwu and co were Christians of middle beltern origin. Examples are Theophilus Danjuma, Gowon, etc. So what nonsense claim are you making here that it was religion that separated you from Hausafulanis? Go and tell that story to primary school pupils who are yet to start having history classes in their curriculum.

Nowenuse:
I did not say the entire Nasarawa or Kwara or Kogi still loves Hausa-fulanis, rather I said the muslims in these areas.
Are you suffering from Myopia? Can't you see why I always call you a manipulative psychopath? And who are you to conclude that the majority of Taraba & Adamawa love Hausa fulanis when the majority of both states are christian tribes no different from Plateau people?

In any election conducted majorly between a Northerner and a Southerner, who do these states, including their Christian, populations vote for normally? In 1959 elections they leaned towards NPC. In the 1979 election they leaned towards the NPN which produced Shagari a Fulani. In 1993 they tilted more towards Tofa a Fulani. In 1999 they were on the side of Obasanjo the choice of the Hausafulanis. In 2003, they preferred Obasanjo again. In 2007 they preferred Yaradua a Hausafulani again. In 2011, the tilt was evenly split between Buhari and Jonathan. In 2015, the tilt shifted fully to Buhari. In 2019, Buhari again clinched their fancy. So cut this revisionist tale.

Nowenuse:
Do you know that currently the people of WUKARI (the largest town in Taraba state) does not allow muslims inside the town? They are only allowed in the outskirts. In Adamawa, there are towns where muslims cannot stay. Are you aware?

Stories. These are exaggerated claims....to borrow your language. How come there are such towns in Adamawa yet Boko Haram easily took over 14 LGAs in the state?

Nowenuse:
By the time you add Benue + Plateau + Southern Kaduna who are overwhelmingly christians, you add Taraba, Adamawa, FCT and Nasarawa tribes who are also predominantly christians. Kogi is a 50/50 while Kwara & Niger have at least ⅓ of their population as christian. I have not even added Southern Borno, Southern Gombe parts of Southern Bauchi & Southern Kebbi tribes who are also predominantly christian. Who then is the majority? When you don't know something, don't talk like a fóol.

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All your attempts to create a false Christian population percentage for the middle belt will not sell. Even your own almighty Ethnologue classifies majority of these middle belters tribes as predominantly moslems. Or are you about to denounce Ethnologue again?

Nowenuse:
We never identified as Hausa fulanis point of correction. We identified as Arewa people (which means northern people). Hausa language was forced all over northern region by the British. Most of the so called 'Hausa names' we answer are not even Hausa names, they are Arabic names. The Kaftans and Babanrigas are not owned by Hausas, they are of general Sahelian origin, that's why Malians, Nigerienes, Cameroonians, Senegalese and Burkinabes wear them too.

You copied those Arabic names not directly from the Arabs but through the Hausafulanis hence it still boils down to borrowing names from Hausafulanis. Hausafulanis own the Arewa identity, so as long as you still identify yourselves with it in any way, then you have never really separated from them as you would love to claim.

Nowenuse:
We build houses like hausas, are you okay? We vote Hausas, so in 2011 when we delivered 7 states to GEJ (more than you Niger deltans), what did that make us? Yorubas who are voting Buhari, what does that make them? You and Igbos voting Atiku nko? You have officially gone mad!

Is one able to differentiate Hausafulanis' houses from your's in the villages of your areas? If you speak their languages, is it houses you won't build like them?
Your boast of seven states is dubious. You are comparing the entire middle belt which cuts across three Geopolitical Region with just the SS which is just one of such. Unlike you, Yorubas have for a long time refused to vote for a Hausafulani. This is their first time since Independence. But you middle belters have always done so out of solidarity with the Arewa identity.
The SS and Igbos voting for Atiku are doing so on the perception that he is not actually Hausafulani.

Nowenuse:
Did the traditional ruler tell you that he was speaking his personal opinion? As long as he is the officially recognised traditional ruler of his people, everything he says about his people is considered supreme until a greater authority rejects it.

And did he tell you in that video that he was speaking on behalf of every other clan head in community? In the place in question, all clans are aautonomous hence no single clan head's claim can pass for the opinion of his other colleagues. There is no clan head superior to another. When the community has to take a position on an issue, all the clan heads each with their palace chiefts and secretaries would meet in a neutral venue and agree before making their collective position public. Didn't your Etuno friends in UNIBEN tell you this? Then the man in the video is himself currently in court with a suit filed against another of his colleagues on allegations of that colleague claiming to be superior to him. That is the present situation on ground. So why should he be speaking without getting the approval of his colleagues hence implicitly claiming superiority over his other colleagues and thereby committing the same offense for which he has currently taken another of his colleagues to court? Of course he would have been sued to court for libel had he claimed in the video that he was speaking as the ultimate authority in the community or that he was doing so as a result of the outcome of a deliberation meeting between him and his colleagues, hence he cleverly avoided that.
Or better still let him, in an official capacity, make a signed publication in a national daily to that effect and see if he will not land in court the next day.

Nowenuse:
Why do you think he is mandated to say the same thing in the maiden Oshuku event or EDHA? Is he under duress to prove anything? I don't understand.

Why do you think he isn't despite you claim he is the final authority of the community whose words are ye and amen? That he dared not say so at the maiden Oshuku Descendants meeting despite the Etuno man honoured with the position of pioneer president was even a member of his own clan hence his direct subject means he knew the truth. Of course he didn't dare mention such on the floor of EDHA or throughout his time as a representative of Akoko-Edo Constituency II because he knew that by doing so as a duly elected state legislator, he would automatically be going against the wish and opinions of the Etuno people who elected him to defend such in the first instance. But at the expiration of his tenure, he lost his representative status and became free once again to speak as an individual on behalf of himself, and that was when he made that video. If he had yielded to the pressure to make that video while he was bearing a representative status on behalf of the people, it would have sparked off a crisis that could have led to his recall.

Nowenuse:
Yes, there are ignorant people within every tribe, however there is no smoke without a fire.
No matter the mistake or ignorance, no adult from my ethnic group can come out and identify my people as Ethnic Hausa-fulanis let alone a traditional ruler from my ethnic group. It cannot happen.

This analogy doesn't cut it. Hausafulanis are not trying to impose themselves on your people in the ethnographic sense unlike what is happening in this case under focus. However, you yourself have claimed here that due to a history of intermarriages from generation to generation, some of your people can't really be totally disentangled from Hausafulanis. So some of your elders would easily make that assertion especially those seeking political correctness. like the man in the video.

Nowenuse:
For an Etuno traditional ruler to come out and identify his people as Ebiras when he suffers no mental problem or was under any form of duress, then it calls for more reasoning.

Duress could take many forms including a quest for political correctness. I guess the Middle Belt elders who are fond of raising a standard against the Middle Belt irredentism are under any kind of duress or mental imbalance?

Nowenuse:
If not that AdeizaPaul brought out that video, you would have continued swearing that no Etuno person dead or alive has ever identified himself as Ebira. Who knows now, there maybe thousands of other reputable Etuno people who have come out to identify themselves as Ebira, but as long as we don't have the evidence, to you it doesn't exist.

"You would have" is pure conjecture and still borders on a tendency to lie. In one comment on that thread, I still made it clear that even Etuno indegenous professors and other academics used to write and publish books in propagation the narrative of Igala origin due to previous ignorance but that with increase in knowledge and facts they began to dissociate themselves from it and withdraw those texts from circulation. So how and why would I have denied that some very few Etuno people on account of ignorance or political correctness quest used to initially identify themselves as Ebiras?
The theme running through my argument there is that right from time immemorial, Etunos even intially identified themselves more as being of Igala origin due to the similarity of the name 'Igala' and 'Igarra' and coupled with oral legend which has it that they migrated from Igala to their present locations and that in actual fact, a lot of their court culture bear affinity to those of Igalas... for example the heads of clans in Etuno have their titles as the corrupted version of their Igala equivalents which Ebiras don't use. There are so many internet publications which speak on the denouncement of the hitherto belief that they migrated from Idah thus meaning that emphasis had always been on Igalas and not even Ebiras as you are quick to assume. It was relatively recently that this Ebira narrative started being patronized by some very few folks especially beginning from the demise of military rule when Ebiras launched this superimposition attempt. But just as the pro-Igala narrative was killed by concerned natives for it non-factuality, so is this Ebira superimposition narrative is being attacked for it similarly non-factuality. You simply lack comprehension ability. You don't read thoroughly.

Nowenuse:
Bros, I have mentioned my tribe here on nairaland a thousand and one times when the conversation warrants it. So far so good, nothing has warranted it. Do you think that I suffer 'Extreme minority paranoia' like you that I should go about singing my ethnic group in people's ears all over just to prove it's existence?

And you think the conversation doesn't warrant it now? You are the one actually suffering from extreme minority paranoia as we all know that beginning from the military era, of all the WAZOBIAn tribes, the Hausafulanis domination of you middle belters remains the most powerful compared to those of the Southern WAZOBIAns on the non-Wazobia Southerners.

Nowenuse:
If you are so obsessed with knowing my ethnic group, you could kindly ask and I will tell you. You cannot force me to say it by going around singing that I am ashamed of my ethnic group. I don big pass that kain small pikin sense. We don do am pass

just like you can't force me to tell you the name of the Oshuku Descendants of Cross River State. So you knew all this while that it is not right to employ cheap blackmail in getting information from others yet you stuck to such method? I only used my insistence on your tribe to set a trap in order to prove how wrong it is to employ blackmail, and you just fell straight into it. See yourself?

Nowenuse:
@the bolded. The Pan Etuno body has every responsibility of coming out to denounce Ebira identity before they are taken any seriously because almost everywhere people associate Etuno with Ebiras. Why? So many documents and works online, made by Ebiras, other Nigerians and even Europeans/Americans associate Etuno with being Ebiras.

In one moment, the iinconsistent fool claims he needs evidence of government documentation to agree to the difference between the two ethnicities. In another line he claims he wants the pan-Etuno group to do so before he agrees to it. In the first instance, who needs his agreement as an approval of an identity which predates his birth which happened less than 30 years ago? Secondly, does the fool now think that a publication by the pan-Etuno group automatically translates to the government documentation he so believes in at the expense of common sense? Then yet in another line he says he wants evidences from the same Europeans he himself acknowledged as having erroneously imposed Hausafulani identity and Language on Northern minorities against their wish. Then he references a Website being run by the same Americans and Europeans he accused of distorting the ethnographics of his own Middle Belt enclave and uses the contents to make assertions about other tribes. It is really difficult to know exactly where this chameleon stands.

Nowenuse:
They cannot claim that they have never come across any of these.
Afterall you yourself have said here times without number that Ebiras everywhere are trying to subsume your people under their identity and you have called me a victim of an AGELONG FALSEHOOD, which calls your people Ebiras. So, what have you guys done to officially denounce this agelong falsehood? Show the world proofs or forever remain a shameless idiot.[/b]

You think it is an easy task to get a people you have no direct communication contact with, especially Europeans and Americans, to make corrections on erroneous publications which they made about you on their websites? If you were more sobre and experienced you would have seen a Facebook group titled, "Igarra is a town in Edo State and not in Ondo State". This is because Facebook default settings were programmed by Mark Zukerberg or whatever they call him in such a way that places all Akoko-Edo towns in Ondo State once you register your hometown in your profile. For the past ten years a lot of Akoko-Edo sons have written letters to Facebook head office in Palo Alto, California and even visited the place all to officially launch complaints that such classification is wrong. They have backed it up with letters from the successive LGA chairmen together with torn out pages from atlases approved for schools by the federal government; yet Facebook has till today not effected the correction. If you doubt it serch the profile of your Akoko-Edo friends on Facebook and see which state reflects in their profile as their origin. Likewise, the Etisalat network automatically places Akoko-Edo in Ondo State during registration of sim. A lot of complaints at Etisalat head offices in Lagos and Abuja have remained unattended to till this moment.
Haven't Facebook and Etisalat been seeing these errors? Haven't my reference of the Oshuku Descendants maiden edition conference resolutions which even Ebiras themselves agree to supposed to be the highest evidence to all I have been saying here?
If you still can't see any evidence in it, then you will still not see it in any publication or video produced by either the government or pan-Etuno group.
Meanwhile in the records of the Edo State ministry of Chieftaincy Affairs, Etuno people are documented as a separate autonomous tribe. You can cry me a river for that. Idiot!

Nowenuse:
Do you know that you are an irredeemable ignoramus?
Ethnologue, as a body never classifies Etuno as a language. It was the other website that called Etuno a language.
You see your problem, you act as if you are very educated and I wonder if you really are. When you are being sent a link reference, you do not bother to check the source/credibility of the link, you just click in and click out. This shows you are a stark illiterate. If you attended a tertiary institution, you should have learnt how to check for the sources of any reference material.

Do you realize you are a miseducated sociopath? Wasn't it the same you who sent the two websites and unploaded snapshots from both of them to jointly substantiate your dubious claim? So what is wrong if I puncture the inconsistency in the two? How and why should a sensible and normal person reference two conflicting sources to substantiate a single claim? Can't you see now that you are the irredeemable ignominous and miseducated minion?
So in your deluded brain it would make sense for a person to at the same time reference Nigerian Government's account of the Biafra war and also reference the account of the Biafran Army to prove who killed Isaac Boro for example, despite the fact that these two accounts stand in conflict over that very question? You are really a fool! A big one for that matter. Your education was just a waste of scarce resources. You have no atom of intelligence in you at all.

Nowenuse:
Can you show me where Ethnologue classifies Etuno as a language?

So you now want to rely on only ethnologue and throw away the second website which you referenced without anyone forcing you to do so? You never really trusted that other websites but you quickly referenced it. This means you will still discard ethnologue if I point out a self contradiction within it. Inconsistent clown.
By the way, is ethnologue a document or website of tier of the Nigerian Government which you claim has the ultimate powers and right to make classifications on ethnicity? Inconsistent clown. One does not even know what exactly you want. Just jumping from one tree of opinion to another like a monkey. Very shifty and unstable. Even a chameleon would marvel at your tendency to change colour so frequently.

Nowenuse:
Ethnlogue allows you to join the conversation (which means to comment about the page) and not for you to edit the page as Wiki allows.

And doesn't common sense which you lack makes it clear that such allowance is still an indication that the managers of the site acknowledg their fallibility hence a open to contrary and superior facts? The mere fact that a publication is made open to discussion automatically means that the author acknowledges he doesn't have 100% knowledge on that topic.

Nowenuse:
Only a foool like you compares Wikipedia which has a disclaimer at not being an authority to Ethnologue which is an authority when it comes to Ethnicities, albeit the world's most renowned one.

Only a fool and buffon like you would assume that there is any website with 100% accuracy in its contents just because it doesn't issue a disclaimer. Each time you write, I am forced to wonder which school you attended. Do the websites of Punch, Guardian, etc have disclaimers or create allowances for readers to edit them? Does that mean their publications are always 100% accurate? Don't they get sued for misinformation for which they later publish appologies or pay huge damages? You are simply beyond salvage. You are so badly educated that your attachment to certain assumptions has robbed you of common sense totally.

Nowenuse:
So, if you are truly an Etuno person, an adult as I doubt you are, go and tell your leaders that the world's most renowned authority in ethnic classifications classifies your people as Ebiras!

That something is most renounced doesn't make it 100% reliable. Guardian newspaper is Nigeria's most renounced daily but it once published a fake story about Buhari claiming to make Nigeria ungovernable. Buhari took them to court a won. Guardian was asked to publish an appology to that effect.
Ethnologue is an online platform run by Americans or Europeans who can't be easily reached for correction, and where they are reached they like Facebook would not suddenly correct those errors. Only an inexperienced dullard like you would assume it all happens as immediately as it is pointed out to them.

Nowenuse:
Can you see how far you are going with your shamelessness + madness + stupidity combined? You are now rubbishing Ethnologue (the world's most trusted and renowned ethnic classification body) just because they do not suit your stupidity.

Can you now see your own inconsistency, duplicity, instability, madness, lunacy, schizophrenia, etc combined? You have now abandoned your emphasis on Government documentation for a website run by aliens just because it is beginning to appear that your Government thing will soon stop holding water?
Ethnologue classifies Ika Aniomas as Bini (Edo), but the Nigerian Government and Aniomas themselves say otherwise through Government documentation which you so hammer on. So which do we choose now between the two now that you have been boxed to a tight corners on this?
The same ethnologue you claim is the world's most renowned classifies Ogori-Magongo as an Okpameri people, didn't mention Bayelsa State as location where Urhobos are indegenous to despite there are actually such Urhobos, and does so many other error filled classifications, yet this self-deluded chameleon is claiming it the world's most reliable. You must be really confused.

Nowenuse:
The 2nd screenshot shows where I apologized to you immediately you replied me for the first time on the Oshuku issue.. I apologized to you over my condescending tone in my first post on the Oshuku issue! even though I never insulted you. I guess the whole world can see who is truly an ambassador of peace and civility between me and you.

Your apology was tongue in cheek because you later again slid back into your caustic choice of words. People don't really change, you know?
Regardless of tendering apologies, that an individual had the effontery to introduce abusive language into a debate supposed to run on only facts and logic is an indication of being actually empty of facts hence has a tendency to creating a brawl to divert attention from the substance of the debate which he has obviously realized he can't win.

Nowenuse:
You behave like a chameleon. You love insults, you are not a peaceful person as has been confirmed here by other commentators. Stop trying to claim what you are not. As from henceforth, I will stop using insults unless you further reply with one.

As a man after my words, I will ignore this insult.

Who can ever love insults more than the very person who was first to throw a jab that someone else has a problem just because he chose to make a clarification which doesn't seem to flow with his sentiments? I guess your insult of me having a problem is the way a lover of peace is expected by norms to respond to a submission which is altogether new to him? And despite all these your obvious violation of the simplest rules of engagement, and rendering of unprovoked attacks first, you still have the moral courage to tag another person a chameleon? What could be more chameleonic than to be the first to throw an abusive jab and then turn around to create an opposite impression?
You want to suddenly ignore what you started? You initially thought you met a push over in that? You can continue. Who is stopping you? You think I care?
I don't have regards for anyone who introduces abusive language into debates however faintly the extent to which they do it. I see such persons as crude, savage, uncivilized, subhuman in thinking, etc.... and that is where you belong in my thinking for doing exactly that here, and no appologies will change that anytime soon.

Nowenuse:
Like I said before, Hausa subtribes existed before Nigeria, but even in present day Nigeria, the Hausa states were named after some of the Hausa subtribes. I hope this is not difficult to understand. Besides, this is not even exclusive to the Hausas. Even the Yorubas too. Oyo and Ekiti are states today, but they are also Yoruba subtribes. Kano, Katsina, Zamfara & Kebbi are states today, but they are also Hausa subtribes. They were the names of Hausa kingdoms (later Emirates) before states existed.

So names like Sokoto, Kano, Borno, Katsina were the names of Hausa subtribes despite these names actually being originally names of purely geographical features as documented in Government records which you claim are the final authority? So the name Sokoto, which is of Arabic origin and means market, was the name of a Hausa subtribe? You also mean that the name Kaduna - a Hausa word meaning 'crocordiles' was the name of a Hausa subtribe? Please which Hausa subtribe was ever referred to as crocodiles?
Can't you see you are just running from pillar to post inventing new lies to cover up old ones? Who told you that Ondo is a name of a Yoruba subtribe? So, Ogun and Lagos are also Yoruba subtribes?

Nowenuse:
No, you must not be a robot to go back on a thread to produce a screenshot. I do this. There is nothing difficult there. If you really want to prove yourself you will do it.

The difference here is that I have produced the screenshot once already and if you still pretend not to see it, my producing it up to a million times will not change anything.

Nowenuse:
Yes I always and will always talk about the government because in our world of today, the governments define who we are to a large extent and they are a final authority in arguments, definitions and principles which guide our living and co-existence as a people.
You and I would never have shared a nationality if not for a common government that binds us together.

Isn't it from the people themselves that the government get the information on which they rely to make classifications? Do they just sit down and start manufacturing ethnographics on their own without consulting the people themselves? Don't you know that in producing a gazzette about the tradition, culture and ethnicity of any tribe or community the government is statutorily bound to send a panel of inquiry to that community to get their unanimous opinion before they do the documentation, and that any gazzette which doesn't pass through such due process is actionable in court? You think the Government, even a military one, has the power to on their own create ethnographic documents? You must be very naive indeed.

Nowenuse:
FYI, Hausas and Fulanis were documented by the British when they created Nigeria and it was on this basis that they were declared and recognized as the majority ethnic group of Northern Nigeria. This is why officially, Hausa is considered a majority of Nigeria and one of our national langaues. I could dislike the Hausas from now till tomorrow but it doesn't change the fact that Hausa is one of the officially recognized national languages of my country while my own native language is not.

Good example. Now, the British documented Hausa as a major tribe in Northern Nigeria and the official language there but didn't do such documentation about some Northern minority tribes. But does that really translate to the non-existence of those Northern minority tribes? That is the point of my argument here. As long as government is an institution of state put in place by imperfect individuals of limited knowledge, then it must be fallible and can't be free from errors hence the provision in the laws which grant people the power to seek corrections through calls for commissions of inquiry towards creating gazzettes.
As we speak, a section of Anioma people have been given documental recognition by Government as a separate autonomous tribe of her own despite the prevalence of Igbo culture among them as well as the fact that persons like you would claim they are actually Igbos but seeking a separate recognition just for political correctness. But here we are with the Government granting that their purported quest for political correctness. So don't you see that your emphatic reliance of government documentation is self contradictory to your obvious take as regards this Anioma section being Igbos?

Nowenuse:
Brother, some things are just beyond our control, especially things like identity in the present world of ours, we can only fight to change some things, but no matter how much we try to deny them, it won't change!

I would politely implore of you not to refer to me as 'brother'. You can't be heaping insults on me and at the same time be addressing me as a brother. It doesn't make sense. This is the hypocrisy I have been pointing out.
That said, nothing is really beyond anyone's control. If you resign to fate about correcting a wrong narrative about who you are, you will only be leaving behind a more complicated battle for your descendants who must still fight it if they have to be free. The anti-Hausafulani domination and identity superimposition you are currently battling with was left behind by those who could have nipped it easily in the bud at its very tender stage but chose to assume that it was beyond their control. I once met a Kaltungo man while in Gombe State in year 2000. This man was a champion of Middle Belt movement as he didn't ever allow an opportunity to explain the difference slip by despite how Herculean the task appeared. In fact his passion for and commitment to Middle Belt irredentism was more than 100 times yours.
99% of the things I learnt about Middle Belt today were through his very deep and logically faultless analysis unlike you who makes claims and adjusts them soon afterwards. Yet this man was an embodiment of humility, he was very unassuming, not boastful of knowledge, etc. But when he spoke, it was easy to see that a truly knowledge person doesn't boast of it at all.

Nowenuse:
No bro, my ethnic group right from pre-colonial times has existed. It was on this basis that the Colonial masters and independent European and American writers and evangelists classified and recognized my ethnic group as an independent ethnic group.

The European and American writers are however not the same as the Nigerian Government you claim has the final authority.
It may however interest you to be told here in addition that Etuno people are actually recognized as a separate people by the government. Check the ethnography page of the latest edition of the MacMillan atlas recommended for secondary schools by the FG and you'll see Etuno boldly written at the Northwestern area of Edo State as an autonomous people and tribe. I can furnish you with a screenshot of the page if you wish.

Nowenuse:
You are wrong sir. Koma people were actually documented (officially recognized) as Nigerians in 1961 and not recently as you think.
People say they were recently discovered because a youth corper in 1986 who was educated and had access to a camera and the media came and brought out their identity into national and international awareness. This does not mean that people in Adamawa/environs never knew they existed. No, people around them always knew they existed, just that by 1986, even the people (their neighbours) around them who were civilized were almost all illiterates too and did not have access to a camera and the media.

So being known by neighbouring Adamawa people is same as having government documented recognition which you claim is the ultimate recognition standard?

Nowenuse:
North-eastern Nigeria is the largest and the most sparsely populated part of Nigeria with so many mountains. Education/Westernization got to many parts of this area comparatively late. You won't believe that as late as the 80's, some rural people in the North-east were still walking nakéd. And these were even people on the lowlands oo, how much more those who lived on the high mountains . This doesn't mean that by that time, these people weren't documented, they were.
Till date, there are many tribes (people) who still live on the mountains (in Adamawa, Borno south, Bauchi & Taraba) and choose to live fairly isolated rural lives, however, all of them have been documented since pre-independence (except Koma who was documented in 1961), their villages (settlements) recognized and have been classified under council wards, polling units e.t.c.

So dilineation on their areas into political voting units is now same as them being documented by government in the ethnographic sense? If that is the case, then all the 371 tribes listed by the OP have as well been documented and duly recognized since they all must have fallen into one political ward or another.
Laugh wan kill me ooooo!

Nowenuse:
I have addressed the issue of your obsession with my ethnic group in a previous comment.

Can you show me where I said my tribe has just 5 settlements? I said the smallest tribe in Plateau state has at least 5 settlements, not my tribe. My tribe has a permanent seat in Plateau state House of assembly which we share with no other ethnic group, among the 25 state constituencies in Plateau.
My LGA has nothing less than 700,000 natives (it is the most populated in Plateau state) and it belongs to only 2 major tribes with 90% of the population.
You are the one obsessed with every other ethnic group under the pretext that you hunger and thirst after ethnographics. I only asked why your quest for ethnographic discussion always excludes your own ethnic group. Shouldn't charity begin from home?



[quote author=Nowenuse post=81931185]My ethnic group has an estimated 300,000 natives while your Etuno cannot be more than 100,000 natives as you claimed.

So you even knew deep down in your mind that Etuno is a group of her own hence are comparing it with yours in the same sense yet you have been here denying it that same separate and autonomous group status?
I keep getting vindicated that you are just on a mission of campaign of caulumny devil's advocacy against a people who are exercising their God given right to be just themselves. Did any Etuno person ever offend you to warrant all these your evil campaign against them? I am still at loss as to what reason a complete alien could ever have to so much be out there trying to profile and resist a people's attempt to be themselves. There is a hidden agenda up your sleeves. I ask you again, has any Etuno person ever offended you so badly that you have chosen to avenge it on the entire people?

Nowenuse:
LGA is not by size, Ogori Magongo as small as it is, it is a LGA. Only 1 town among the dozens of towns in my LGA is bigger and more populated than Ogori-Magongo.

This is why I say you lie shamelessly. A place is given a hybrid name 'Ogori-Magongo' and you say it is made up of one town. Then what exactly necessitated the hybrid name in the first instance?
Above all, that your tribe is not enough to be an LGA of her own means it is not an influential or even important one among others. LGAs were created by influence during the military era, so small Ogori Magongo is more important than yours to have been able to get accorded the status of an LGA while your tribe wasn't despite being larger.

.... and here is the last part in which you accused me of having a problem.
For goodness sake, how does one have a problem for freely expressing himself?
So once people's submissions don't align with your sentiments then they must be having a problem? That is an insult from a heavily bigoted mindset. And to think that the same you who introduced this atmosphere of bigotry into this thread are now crying all over it on the alleged bitterness/hate from another moniker is nothing but a mind boggling hypocrisy.
Now show me a screenshot of any comment in which I used such gutter language on you prior to this. If you can't, then you need to hide your face in shame, and unlearn your attitude of unprovoked attacks.

This is the next section of it.

This is the beginning of the abusive comment of yours.

Nowenuse:
No, I do not have their numbers anymore cos since we graduated, we lost communication. I can't start looking for them now just to ask something like this. It's very silly.

So it has now become very silly to undertake a search for a proof for a claim you have spent sleepless night on a public forum trying to make? Didn't I earlier on say you are a slowpoke? Which is easier between typing all these long stories here and just searching out their profiles on Facebook, in boxing them on this issue, taking a screenshot of their response and uploading it here as you have been effortlessly doing for some pages here? You think you are smart and clever? It is obvious you have actually contacted them and got a response which destroys and poohpoohs your claim here hence
you chose to come back with the daft and dubious claim that it is silly to start trying to reconnect to them for this reason. Self deluded punk!

Nowenuse:
I dare you before the public reading this, let us go back to the beginning of our conversation here and see who first used an insultive language on each other.

Below I have attached 2 screenshots. The first one where you threw the first insult at me by calling me an IGNORAMUS OF GARGANTUAN PROPORTION, when I talked about the Nupe origin stuff. This was where all the insults started!

The 2nd screenshot shows where I apologized to you immediately you replied me for the first time on the Oshuku issue.. I apologized to you over my condescending tone in my first post on the Oshuku issue! even though I never insulted you. I guess the whole world can see who is truly an ambassador of peace and civility between me and you. You behave like a chameleon. You love insults, you are not a peaceful person as has been confirmed here by other commentators. Stop trying to claim what you are not. As from henceforth, I will stop using insults unless you further reply with one.

How would a naturally abusive person like you know where exactly you started with abusive language?
Below is the screenshot of how you started it by claiming that I have a problem just because I was exercising my freedom of expression on a public forum. This led me to the retaliation of calling you an ignoramus.
Why should any normal, polite and diplomatic person accuse another of having a problem just because the other individual's revelation doesn't agree with what he was fed with courtesy of default propaganda? Check it and see for yourself, and then show me a screenshot, if any, of a post in which I insulted you prior to that. Disgusting liar!

Nowenuse:
Pains me badly? Pathetic. Everyone knows you here for the venomous snake that you are. You have a reputation for attacking and quarreling with everyone here, both Yorubas, Igbos, middlebelters and foreigners

Philosophers say that the truth is an offense but not a sin. If you want to be hated called names, take it upon yourself to speak the truth however bitter it might be in peoples' ears. Check out those who accuse me of hate and all sorts of things. They are those whose lies I have repeatedly demolished with the truth. You have now joined the club and you will suffer their fate. No one dares me with lies and revisionism and goes free. Above all, those who, like myself, are lovers of truth don't call me names. Some commend me while others just give me likes. More important to me is that nobody here is able to claim that I lie with my posts here unlike you whom every tribe keeps chasing out of their threads. I don't poke my nose into other tribes' threads unlike you.

Nowenuse:
I am from the middlebelt and grew up in the western Niger delta. You cannot find me arguing with anyone outside these areas. Show me anywhere I have argued about SouthWest yorubas or South-east Igbos or forever close those diarrhea hands of yours in shame.

You have forgotten that in the very first mention you made of me on NL, you bashed Igbos very badly by accusing them of acting the way they act towards other tribes because they never fought wars in the pre-colonial era. You are just a shameless liar. What of the Hausafulanis you speak about? Are Hausafulani lands part of the Western Niger Delta or Middle Belt? You don't really proofread what you write before posting.
I have never with my own mouth claim I hate any tribe. But you have claimed to hate Ebiras, Hausafulanis, Igbos, etc. So who actually has a problem between you and me?

Nowenuse:
Can you just shut up if you know nothing? Not everywhere that came under jihad in Nigeria use Emir as their titles. In some places, the traditional titles were retained, but this doesn't mean that they don't know their roots and subserviency to the caliphate.

You are now running from pillar to post out of having boxed yourself to a tight corner. For a place to come under Jihad and to get conquered by the Jihadists are two different things. If a place comes under Jihad, like Etsako did, and ended up not having an Emirate, then it means the Jihad didn't conquer them.
A Jihad is, in principle, an expansionist imperialist project, so how does it make sense for an expansionist army to successfully conquer a new territory and refuse to impose its own system of governance there? You are not making sense at all.

Nowenuse:
Even the Nupes who brought the islam to Etsakos do not use Emir. They use the traditional title ETSU. The Chamba chiefdom/Emirate in Adamawa use the GANGWARI of Ganye as theirs. Many tribes in Nasarawa came under Jihad e.g your Ebira cousins in Opanda, but they do not use Emir of Opanda, they use OHIMEGE of Opanda.

Shouldn't all these rather tell you that these tribes weren't actually conquered by the invading Jihadist army?

Nowenuse:
The major emirate in my state (Kanam) do not use Emir, they use PANKWAL. Heck even the Fulanis in Adamawa do not use Emir, they use LAMIDO (the native fulani word).

You are now cooking up new lies to cover old ones.

You know the place is still an emirate or offshoot of an Emirate when u look at the culture of the kingship and royaltues. The Waziri of Auchi, the Ciroma of Auchi, Hakimis & Magajis e.t.c

Just see how you went about celebrating and spitting everywhere claiming that you know something with your claim of Auchi not being a pure offshoot of the Emirate just because it does not use the EMIR title. Ignorance is truly a disease.[/quote]If these are actually all Emirates, then why don't they have an arrangement by which they all pledge allegiance to the Kano Emirate or Sokoto Caliphate while supposedly conquered them? The Otaru of Auchi and all these other title holders under him pay homage to only the Oba of Benin. Why not Emir of Kano since his seat is an offshoot of the Northern Emirate as you would have your readers believe? Why doesn't the Kano or Sokoto Emirates have a key role to perform during installments of these other monarchs if they are truly offshoot Emirates of Kano or Sokoto?
I pray you find the grace to stop lying in broad daylight.

Nowenuse:
Chai Jesu, e be like say this video of this Etuno traditional ruler confessing to be Ebira really pain you well well o kai, kpele oo. Doo, you hear....
I never even knew or imagined that that man was the head of one of the clans that make up Igarra.

How can it pain me when it is a personal opinion and not on behalf of his clan. I have already explained why the man spoke that way and asked why he couldn't say same while he had the influence to have acted it out throughout his time as a member of Edo State House of Assembly, but the slowpoke you are never answers to these. The same man was later in attendance of the Maiden Oshuku Descendants where he couldn't make this same claim.

Nowenuse:
Whenever people within the same ethnic group have different views as to who they are, it is simply identity crisis.

Within any tribe and indeed all tribes including yours which you are so ashamed of mentioning, there must always be a handful of individuals who are either genuinely ignorant of the issues or purposely choose to distort facts for political benefits. This man fell into such categories until he got clarified.

Nowenuse:
This is what your people are suffering. And mind you, just the same way no Pan-Etuno group has come out to claim you guys are Ebiras, none has come out either to claim that you guys are not Ebiras. At least one traditional leader (A clan leader which I never knew) has come out to claim Ebira. So, instead of spitting excessively like an epileptic patient, why don't you show us a video or proof of an Etuno traditional ruler rejecting Ebira identity? At least save yourself the stress.

It is rather your people that are having problem at least you, as an example are not even proud enough of your tribe hence you are more interested in other people's tribes. Is your tribe really that repulsive and stigmatized that you are too ashamed to create a topic on for people to discuss? Etuno people are not in any attempt to impose themselves on others, so what is the point making such a video? To achieve what? The video in question wasn't made by an Ebira man, so of what use will it be for the pan-Etuno body to issue a response purpotedly against Ebiras? Are you sure you are really sensible at all? This man in the video is the youngest among the clan heads in the community and the only politician among them hence he is the most unaware of the people's history and culture and he is most inclined to pursue political correctness at all times. When young people make mistakes, the elder person doesn't join him in it in the name of correcting him. He would rather do so through a more matured means hence the other heads of the 13 clans who are by far his seniors, don't see any need to make a counter video as it would amount to joining his macabre dance. Moreover, the Oshuku appelation supremacy has been settled once and for all through the maiden conference in which an Etuno man was honoured with the pioneer president in recognition of Etuno primogeniture supremacy in the Oshuku nation. The Almanacs are everywhere. So why the need to borther about making a counter video?. Isn't it ironical that you want a pan-Etuno group to deny Ebira before you believe it yet you believe the video of a man who is himself not synonymous with pan-Etuno group? Can't you see you are confused?

Nowenuse:
I have another killer dosage for you
Ethnologue, the highest and world's most trusted body for ethnic and linguistic classifications classified and recognises Etuno as dialect of Ebira

https://www.ethnologue.com/language/igb

I hope you don't take sniper when you see this

See the person asking for video evidence from a pan-Etuno group. Is this site sponsored by a pan-Etuno group to warrant your reliance on it? See again how inconsistent and chameleonic you are? Didn't you see a 'Join the discussion button' beneath the topic meaning that the author of the article is not certain of his claims thus ready to welcome superior knowledge and corrections? He claims Etuno is a dialect in one line, and in another line he classified it as a language. Then he didn't add any of the Oshuku Descendants in many other states, and that is the site you quickly rushed to lift and even call it a killer dosage? I am now understanding better that I have been engaging a brainless cranium. It is like quoting Wikipedia as a reference source for very sensitive issue. I knew I have been debating with an inconsistent and self reversing punk anyway.

Nowenuse:
Yes, you won't be wrong in assuming that Middlebelters and Hausa fulanis are still very close because some middlebelters truly love Hausa fulanis e.g most Niger, Ilorin, Kogi and Nasarawa muslims do. However the majority and Hausa fulanis are no longer close.

Story! They are no longer close but, according to you in an earlier comment, you would have preferred them if not for certain temporary challenges? If Nasarawa, Niger, Kogi, Kwara according to you, added to the likes of Adamawa, Taraba, still love Hausafulanis, then exactly which states left to make up the majority that are no longer close to Hausafulanis? All your attempts to separate yourselves from Hausafulanis will always hit the rocks. If you were really not somehow the same with them, then why did you ever identity as them, speak their language, bear their names, build your houses like them, vote massively for them in elections, dress like them etc?

Nowenuse:
I guess I have burst your bubble again

You are becoming a beater of vacuous chest.

Nowenuse:
Funny enough, the question on whether Etunos were Ebiras or not never really came up with me and the Etunos I knew in Uniben. This is to tell you how much I really don't give a fvck about this in real life. I wouldn't have even interfered in your argument with the other guy in the first place if not that this issue kept coming up as I read through the thread. Whenever I bump into any of these people again, I'd ask them this question specifically.

That is the boomerang that comes with trying to tell other people who they are. Why wait till you come across them again? Don't you have their phone numbers? Call them and ask them to hear their response. You will be shocked.
The problem you had wasn't really that you joined the discussion but that you joined it with a predetermined mindset and were first to use uncouth language. I personally don't start the use of indecent language or anything suggestive of insult in debates with people but whoever uses it on me first will not like how I would respond. I see it as babaric and uncivilized for people to believe they have monopoly of abusive language and can use them in winning debates. I don't give such persons breathing space. If you want to have a productive discussion with me, just try your best to avoid direct or indirect insults. Keep the discussion clean.

Nowenuse:
Diarrhea infected hands
Don't argue what you don't know. Some present day Hausa states of today were named after the same Hausa city states (Kingdoms) that existed centuries ago e.g Kano, Kebbi, Zamfara, Katsina.
Kano state of today composes of 2 ancient Kingdoms, Kano & Rano, while Sokoto is mostly Gobir. Since Danfodio united all the Hausa kingdoms. They have all become a continuous and loosely identity of peoples, especially as you go from one Emirate/ancient kingdom to the other.

So, yes Hausa subtribes had names which I listed above, but most of the names truly match the Emirates/States they are under today. And Hausas today mostly identify with their Emirates, cities and states than they do their subtribes.

You hands are infested with menstrual flow. So you mean Hausa subtribes didn't exist until after states were created in Nigeria? When you talk too many disjointed stories to home a lie as the truth, you don't really know when illogicality begins to creep in. You do too much of conjectural merry-go-round and end up boxing yourself into very tight corners.

Nowenuse:
Show me where Adeiza agreed that Oshuku ethnic group exists or that Oshuku is the proper ethnic name for Ebiras... I couldn't care less if you or Adeiza or President Buhari talks about Ebira speaking people being of Oshuku descendants. Had it been this was the issue I wouldn't have even interfered. My problem is with the creation of a new ethnic group called Oshuku ethnic group by you from the comfort of your bedroom when this does not reflect anywhere in any government documents or academic material.

And you think I am a programmed robot to repost the screenshot? You must be deluded. Did Adeiza Paul write it as Oshuku's Descendants or Oshuku Descendants? Which primary school did you attend? So in your delusional mind it takes government documentation for an ethnic group to come into existence? You are just using ethnic group and tribe interchangeably. Which government created Hausa and Fulani tribes through documents? With the way you hammer on Government documents, it seems your tribe is an artificial one created through such means hence you feel every other should follow suit. What your likes fail to understand is that Nigeria is still at an evolutionary stage hence so many actually existing tribes are yet in obscurity. Weren't some naked tribes recently discovered in a hill settlement in Adamawa State? Does their hitherto non-documentation by government deprive them of their tribe status? Have they been documented even up till You now? You keep talking thrash. Your quest for political correctness is just sickening. To you everything is Government, Government, Abuja, Abuja.....You can't think anything without the Government.
The government didn't fall down from heaven. It was created by men hence not infallible. That you place government created by humans above groups of people created by Nature/God is a testimonial to how confused you are.

Nowenuse:
Do not divert the topic to my tribe, when you have nothing reasonable to say. I have not created a thread about my tribe as well as I have not created a thread on any other tribe, as much as I am into ethnic groups. Creating tribal threads is not my thing.
I have not hidden it from the beginning that I am from a small minority tribe, In this thread alone, I have said it a thousand and one times.
However small my tribe is we are still more than your 'Oshuku Ebira Etuno' tribe. We occupy a landmass that will equate the whole Akoko-edo put together and we have produced the deputy senate president of this country.

And this your tribe has no name? So you don't want the topic changed to your tribe but you had no problems changing an Edo vs Yoruba discussion to Nupe vs Afemai one? Hypocrite! Whether you like it or not, you must create a thread on that your pseudo Hausafulani tribe or leave other tribes alone. You said your tribe is of five settlements yet you are claiming it is more than Akoko-Edo with 48 settlements. Do you listen to yourself at all? Your tribe, I'm sure, doesn't even qualify to be an LGA.

Nowenuse:
Unlike you, we know who we are and we don't have sone of us claiming to be Hausas and others claiming not to be, when even the highest ranking bodies claim you are this

If you are sure of this, then mention the name of the tribe let's see. In fact you have claimed and at the same time denied Hausafulani ties on this thread alone.

Nowenuse:
Hahaha The idiot dared me to show him anywhere an Owan or Akoko-edo person ever addressed himself with the Afemai tag, now I showed him and he is still uttering gibberish to save face. Gosh. I never knew people could be so shameless!

The dunce has adjusted his claim again. So the Owan socio political group is an individual person? If not for stupidity on your part, you were arguing with one other moniker that Afemai is not a tribe and you even tried to call my attention to it which I declined to, but here you are again claiming to have showed me where an Owan person identified himself as Afemai even though a socio-political group did that in reflection of the political only application of the term. I said show me where an Akoko-Edo or Owan person described himself as Afemai in the ethnographic sense, you went to bring up one online garbage of a group of politically inclined group. Are you really this daft and moronic?

Nowenuse:
And what is the name of that nameless Oshuku tribe in Cross river state, Yala LGA for that matter?! I hope it is not the Iyalla people you have been referring to as this Oshuku people all this while?

So you now agree they are Oshuku people and not Ebiras? You are indeed confused.
When I say you know next to nothing despite all your pretentious omniscience, you think I am insulting you. It is known that the Northern parts of Cross River State is peopled by an assortment of tribes so much that in a single LGA there could be as much as ten different indegeous tribes. But this ignorant punk thinks the situation in his home LGA in Plateau is the same everywhere. He thinks that the naming of the LGA as Yala LGA automatically translates to the territory being inhabited by only the Iyalla tribe. It is really difficult to educate you because you are too presumptuous and unteachable. Rather than ask for further expatiation on what seems new to you, you just jump into conclusion that the person is wrong or that he is referring falsely to what you already know. You are just like a student who once approached me to teach him how to read. When I wrote "Span" and asked him to pronounce it. But just because he hadn't heard the word span before but was used to hearing Spain, he thought I wanted to write Spain but mistakely removed the letter 'i' so he pronounced it as 'Spain'. This is the kind of person you are.
You just keep displaying daftness and very poor conversation skills without knowing it.

Nowenuse:
Abeg, Ogbeni, what is the name of this tribe, let me know first before I make any further comments.

I thought you already said you know that I am referring to the Iyala tribe? So why asking for the name you already supposedly know? And moreover, you said they are all called Ebiras. So why asking for their name again when you already know it as such? See how you fool yourself just in a desperate bid to purport that you know others more than themselves?
This is what you should have done in the very first comment you made on this thread in response to my exposition of this issue and you would have avoided roping yourself into this lengthy debate for which you have earned nothing but embarrassment. I am sorry, your asking for the name at this point is too late. Penny wise pound foolish. Doing the right thing at the wrongest time. Moreover, you are asking now not because you are genuinely willing to learn because if you had had your way pulling the Ebira generic name narrative through, you wouldn't have made this demand now. You fool no one. Go and use your avowed ethnographic omniscience to figure out their name and their exact location. I will deny you easy passage on this.
Your likes don't appreciate it when one makes things easy for them. Thank God you already once said on this thread that you do hear some of your fellow Middle Belt Ebira friends say that there are "Ebiras" indegeous to Cross River State just that you have not confirmed it. You can go and do the confirmation now by yourself. Take the pain. Safe journey.

Nowenuse:
I know about Etulo people compared to the average Idoma person because I am far more enlightened and passionate about the in depth study of ethnic demography compared to the average Idoma or even Nigerian.

Who exactly assessed you and certified that you are more enlightened and passionate about ethnographics than the average Idoma man? Just imagine this level of arrogance and self opinionation! You are too full of your dirty and ignorant self. Even if you perceive yourself as such, basic common sense dictates that you let it show through only in debates rather than beat your chest about it. This is just like Christianity which is a thing of action than words. You don't say it yourself that you are a Christian. Rather it is your actions that show it and then people begin to ask you. Once you say it with your own mouth, then you have failed the acid test of being a genuine Christian. Likewise the issue of knowledge. I can see that you generally have a very shallow understanding about life. I am no longer surprised about this because you have said that you were born in the nineties thus still in your mid twenties and therefore still lacking in wisdom.

Nowenuse:
Etulo people were cut off from Idomas and encircled by the Tivs during the Tiv expansion centuries ago. They are undergoing a 'Tivization' process. Most of them now answer Tiv names and speak Tiv at a native level leading to the extinction of their own native language. So, I guess this is the major reason of the obscurity of their identity towards the Idomas. From my interaction with Idomas on this subject, some Idomas know them, but most do not know them. Majority of Idomas even claim the Yallas & Yaches (of Yala LGA of Cross River state) and Agatus of Nasarawa state better, clearly because these ones have still retained their Idomoid languages & cultures better.

I can't believe any of these until I hear it from the mouth of an Idoma man. After all you also made postulations about Etsako, Onitsha and Itsekiri people which are outrightly wrong. So save yourself the lecture. May I even ask you how you got to know about the existence of Etulo people if not through Idomas themselves?

Nowenuse:
(This is why I hope the so called Oshuku tribe you are claiming in Yala LGA of Cross River state are not the Yallas or Yaches o, because these are pure Idomoid ethnic groups. If they are the ones, better go and do your studies well before you come out to disgrace yourself o).

And this is the person who claims to be sincerely seeking information. Why didn't you say the above to your Ebira friends whom you claim you do hear saying that there are "Ebira speaking" tribes in Cross River? Your predetermined mindset will not even allow anyone take you seriously. This was how you argued and argued that there is nothing at all like Oshuku in the first instance only for you to adjust it to not claiming that Oshuku is not an ancestral figure after you were disgraced with the snapshot of the statement of the very person on whom you showered accolades on. If I tell you the name and location of this Cross River tribe now, you would turn around like a deadly chameleon to deny that you never claimed I was taking them for the Iyala tribe.

Nowenuse:
[b[Oral accounts are very very faulty and have a very great chance of being distorted[/b], hence they are not taken as an authority in this modern age of ours by scientists and other knowledgeable bodies who serve as an authority.
I shouldn't be the one telling you this. Same oral accounts that claim Oduduwa fell from the sky

That you could even make the bolded utterance is enough evidence that you are in a world of alternate reality. If I may ask, were we Nigerians keeping documental records before colonization? Aren't most of our pre-colonial histories oral legends? On your Oduduwa story reference: it is clear that you don't even know the difference between myths and legends. Oduduwas story is a myth hence can't be referenced to prove that oral accounts are not reliable. It is a fairy tale. But there are oral accounts which are actually factual and supported by surviving empirical evidences hence reliable.

Nowenuse:
Besides if this was in reference to the Etulos, the Etulos did not migrate anywhere. They were an APA people who were cut off from fellow APAS during the Tiv expansion. We all know how the Tiv expansion changed the demography of Kwararafan areas.

You can shove this up your presumptuous ass until I hear from an Etulo native.

Nowenuse:
For the umpteenth time. I have no business and have never argued on the Oshuku progenitor of Ebira speaking peoples (I don't care about this).

Look at this self deluding punk. Cry me a river. You intially argued that the Oshuku appelation is my own creation and that you had never heard of it hence it is non existent. You only changed tune after I uploaded a screenshot of Adeiza Paul's comment where himself confirmed it despite his own earlier attempts too to deny it in pursuit of the dubious and politically motivated Ebira generic tag narrative. You are a shameless turncoat.
And for the umpteenth time, I have told you that 'Oshuku' is not the name of an individual talkless of it being for a projenitor. It is the name of a group of tribes hence its application as "The Oshuku Descendants' without any sign of possessiveness. Get this into your block head.

Nowenuse:
I only argued on the existence of an Oshuku ethnic group in Nigeria which does not exist anywhere in any written government document in Nigeria, but is only a figment of your imagination.

What more evidence does one need that all your concern is political correctness? So it takes government documentation for a tribe to come into existence? Before government came I guess there were no recognized tribes, right? Your cranium must really be full of mud. Has any government documented your obscure and extinction threatened tribe which you are so ashamed to create a thread about for people to dissect? The same you preaching unity and national integration to the eradication of tribal consciousness, albeit a dubious one, are again believing that the government should be documenting different tribes as separately recognized entities? Can't you see still that you are a confused hypocrite and inconsistency personified? Dubious unity seeker!

Nowenuse:
I brought in Nupes to an issue you raised on Afemai people answering Nupe names. How is that out of place Mr Manipulative Psychopath?
How is it out of place to mention the Nupes wherever Afemais (a southern people who were conquered, ruled islamized and civilized by the Nupes) are mentioned?
It's just like saying Arabs should never be mentioned when talking about Iranian history.

Mr. Luciferous unity seeker and Chameleonic inconsistency, it is out of place because the background premise of the discussion was about whether the bearing of Yoruba names by some Edo people made them Yorubas any more than the Yorubas' bearing of Hausafulani names made them Hausafulani, and whether the bearing of Nupe names can by some Edos also makes them Nupes, or whether the fact that Yorubas do bear English names makes them white men and women. Then you dived in uninvited to claim that Afemais are Nupes for bearing Nupe names. When asked to substantiate it, you went to cite a single example of a family in South Ibie which you claimed migrated from Bida.
Was the topic about how migration and assimilation changes the ethnic origin of a people or about how the borrowing of names makes a people one and the same? That is why I say that your contribution was totally irrelevant and out of place.

Nowenuse:
Jesus Christ. Have I been wasting my time arguing with a kindergarten child or what? Some Yorubas do not like Ijebus, should that stop Yoruba unity? Some Igbos don't like Anambra people. Some Sokoto people dislike Kano people and don't like doing things with them. Some Hausas don't just dislike fulanis, they literally hate Fulanis, but has that stopped the Hausa-fulani killer alliance? Many Binis hate Esans with a passion and vice versa, has that stopped the call for Edo unity?
Sometimes people have to unite for a common good not because they are so much in love with each other and can't stop thinking of their love

And you think you have made sense now?
When people momentarily put aside their differences to fight a common enemy, that is not unity at all. It is called strategy or expediency. Are you sure you have ever opened a dictionary before?
Don't Nigerians across all tribes pretend about their differences for up to 90 minutes during international football matches involving Nigeria? Does that translate to Nigeria having attained national unity all of a sudden?
Unity is permanent and built on freedom, justice and equity, and not on the need to pretend in the desire to fight a common enemy or purse a mutually beneficial political course for just a while.
I am not surprised that your perception of unity still revolves around political correctness. Shame on you! All you think about is political basis for everything rather than from a perspective of ideals.

Nowenuse:
Grow up in your thinking child!.

All your thought pattern reveals a very immature mind behind the keyboard.

Nowenuse:
You are really a clown. How and when have I claimed to have accurate knowledge on anything? Like am I God to use such boasting word? Manipulative psycopath.

You said you have the knowledge required to challenge and correct whichever Nigerian makes exaggerated claims about his tribe. If that is not a claim of omniscience, then what else could it be? Chameleon!

Nowenuse:
Only a fool will believe it is not about middlebelt solidarity? So, what will u call my support of Urhobos on Okpe being a part of it? ''Growing-up-in-Delta solidarity?'' This thread has become my free comedy dosage

There is a similar pattern running through. The Middle Belt movement is built on the quest to create a single political identity for unrelated tribes. As one of the leaders of the movement, this doctrine has sunk into your subconscious hence your subconscious mind automatically extends it to other people, and that explains why you always argue against any tribe's attempt to assert her difference from another. Just check all your comments here; they are all about forcefully trying to join one people to another regardless of their desires to the contrary. You joined Onitshas and Itsekiris to Binis, you were impressed with Adeiza Paul's futile attempt to merge Ososos with Yorubas, you relished Macof's and Schooleso's attempt to merge Edos with Yorubas, etc. You merged Etsakos with Nupes and Fulanis. You merged Isokos with Urhobos. You even merged Akoko-Edo with Etsako. You have never made any post asserting a tribe as different from another. All you are after is merger no matter how unrelated.

Nowenuse:
Trying to save yourself seeing you don't know your analogies! Your reply using USA was a direct analogy used with the hope to counter the Nigerian example. However, I pointed it out as a failed/terrible example because the settings in which the different American ethnic groups live was very very very different and non comparable with that of the Nigerian ethnic groups.


Mr Manipulative psychopath who likes forcing words in the mouth of others to secure a safe landing. Where did I ever claim this?


Yes, they were all seperate, yet with the Anglo-saxon culture being by far the dominant of them all among the majority of the colonies. In fact, once the French sold Louisiana. No other culture was strong enough to come close in competition with that of the Anglo-saxon.
This was why USA gained independence from Britain and not a bunch of different European countries.


Who is even talking about native Americans here? These ones have always been an inconsequencial and conquered minority throughout the process of the evolution of the American government and culture.


The point remains that at the end of the day, the whole of America had to evolve into one big Anglo-saxon culture dominant based estate for it to be able to thrive as one united body, otherwise it never would.

Why is Canada not united as the USA culturally? Cos the French Canadians rejected Anglicization. Not until Anglo-saxon Canada gave full autonomy and equal rights to French Canadians before there was comparative peace and tranquility.

If you had a good sense of analogy, you would rather have given Canada, Belgium or Switzerland as countries where different ethnic groups live Side by side in unity without oppression, not America where every white person's culture is now based on an Anglo-saxon one and people only claim diverse origins when they want to feel special or wear special clothes like scottish skirts and dance on the streets . After that they all go back home to continue in the same Anglo-saxon culture.

Otherwise if you are talking of people of diverse origins coming together under one predominant culture, then it happens almost everywhere. In Turkey apart from the Kurds who maintain their identity (hence ethnic conflicts with the majority Turkish population), every other Turkish people were originally of Greek, Armenian, Aramaic or Slavic/Balkan origin, but the Ottoman Empire brought all of them under a Turkish and islamic identity and today they are all one. So it is nothing special. However, imagine if these Greek, Armenian, Aramaic, Balkan and central Asian originated Turkish people were all living together in Anatolia practicing different religions, speaking different languages and practicing different cultures, could it have been possible?
So, Mr Man, know your analogies or take some medication for those diarrhea infected hands of yours before they come online to keep on increasing your disgrace.

All these are gabbage still. My point is very simple, and it is as follows:
According to Anthropological principles, an intensely heterogenous society is best governed through a decentralized system as much as possible regardless of how the heterogeneity came about.
You should be providing this basic Anthropological principle wrong if you truly want to counter me. All the Anglo-Saxon narrative is pure dung.
Mention just one ethnically diverse country that has practiced a centripetal form of government and made progress. I mean just one.

Nowenuse:
Midwestern minorities would never had gotten their independence from the Western region if it wasn't supported by Zik or the Sardauna. Eastern minorities & Northern minorities wanted out too but it was hindered by the respective regions, go figure out.

And of what relevance is this submission to the fact under debate that the more decentralized Nigeria is, the better for genuine national unity? Devil's advocacy blood flows richly in your veins. But all the same, another political expediency would have eventually come to get the Middle Belt and COR Regions created. Midwest was created to spite Awolowo because his enemies, Zik and Balewa, were in cahoots. Likewise, Zik and Awolowo later alligned together against Balewa through the UPGA alliance which, if not for broad daylight rigging by NNA, would have won the 1965 Federal election, formed the central government and as well proceeded to spite Balewa and Akintola by creating Middle Belt Region too. In fact if not for Zik's myopic or dubious quest for a phantom one-Nigeria, the AG and NCNC would have formed the government in 1960 and the Middle Belt would have been created first before Midwest. So it was all politics but within the legal framework unlike the military fiat situation imposed on us through the unity seekers.

Nowenuse:
Why did Urhobos/Itsekiris agitate for Warri state and Aniomas agitated for Anioma state subsequently if everything was heaven?

Did the agitations for Warri and Anioma States start during the Midwestern Region era or after the creation of Delta State by military fiat which robbed Warri of state capital for Asaba and the subsequent resentment between the Aniomas on one hand and the Urhobos, Itsekiris and Ijaws on the other hand?
If the independence constiution were not abolished by the Unity Seekers, and Delta State were to have eventually been created through its provisions, the location of its capital would have been duly debated democratically hence the decision unanimous while a lot of the other contentious issues tearing the state apart now would have as well been foreclosed through same means. As an example, when Midwest Region was being created in 1963, special provisions were made in the Region's constiution to protect the Akoko-Edo and Warri divisions from being unduly dominated over by the other big tribes. That was how the independence constiution made provisions for forestalling marginalization in any future Region to be created.

Nowenuse:
You have a good point here, but it wouldn't have been so easy. Sometimes people think they can easily work together especially when they have been under a pressing majority for long, but as soon as they are left together, continuous problems ensue which they never imagined would have come.
Take for example, 30 years ago when South Sudanese were fighting the North for their rights and autonomy, if anyone had told them that they would be fighting each other today, they would never have believed this. As soon as they were left alone without the opposition of the Islamic/Arabic north as a unifying factor, see what has become of them today.
Immediately Apartheid ended and blacks got power in SA, Zulus & Xhosas, the 2 major black groups came at each others throats, if not for timely intervention things would have gotten really bad.

This analogy you are trying to pull is totally irrelevant. We are talking about decentralization within an intact country and you are bringing in the issue of dismemberment of countries? Sudan issue was a total split of the country into two, while our topic of discussion here has to do with creating more subnational units towards preventing the splitting of the country.
Moreover, the South Sudan problem you referred to was not caused by the mere fact that they split from Northern Sudan but because at the point of splitting they didn't sit down to agree on terms of coexistence in the new country they were fighting for. Had they done that, the problems they are having now among themselves would have been unknown.
It is just like how the SS people are rejecting their being included in Biafra not really because they see it as an all together bad idea but because Kanu is just going around marking places for inclusion without consulting anyone for discussion on terms of coexistence in the new country. The independence constiution gave room for discussion of the terms of coexistence by any people hoping to get a new region
created for them and that made the difference from the military constiution through which states and even LGAs were created by soldiers without due process but aimed at pleasing their wives, rewarding their concubines in exchange for sex, etc hence all these complaints of marginalization within them.

Nowenuse:
If someone had told Nasarawa people back then that they would agitate to be separated from Plateau people when all of us were under Kaduna in the old northern region, they would have vehemently rejected it.

That was because the old Northern Region was run democratically through a Northern Region constiution which ensured social justice and equity to a large extent. The agitation began after the unitary military constiution made it such that whichever tribe clinched power at the center carried the day.

Nowenuse:
When we got Benue-Plateau, we were all very happy and united with it but then the politics was Plateau against Benue. Immediately Benue left and got their own state, Plateau people turned on each other and the new politics became Upper Plateau VS Lower Plateau (Nasarawa).

The joy in getting Benue/Plateau was actually a mirage because the said Benue Plateau State was a child of military fiat. The later severance of Benue State still through military fiat would later prove it.

Nowenuse:
Nasarawa people started crying for marginalization and the need for their own state. They got their own state and later Langtang people and other Southern Plateau people started crying that Jos is too far for them and they want Lowland state because they are left out from development. Can't you see that this has become a comedy show ? ..

Like I said before, it all still boils down to the destruction of the independence constiution by the Unity Seekers. Be they Southern Plateau, Langtang people, Nasarawa people, etc crying to get their own state, it is due to the flow of federal allocation from the so called center of unity and not really because they believe in the viability of the state. If we return to the independence constiution in which there is nothing like federal
allocation hence each state has to fend for itself entirely, all these senseless demands for states will stop. Likewise inflation of population by states during census will stop. So anyhow you look at it, this present commedy of senseless demand for new states and even statelets has its foundation on the quest for national unity through which the independence constiution was destroyed and supplanted with this one built around federal allocation. So I am therefore correct to argue that the quest for artificial national unity which you are defending is actually the root of all our problems.

Nowenuse:
The question is why weren't these same Langtang people crying of marginalization or claiming that Jos is too far when we were in Old Plateau state or Benue-Plateau state when they enjoyed domination and even dominated the politics of upper Plateau which they were a part of?

It was because they were in control of the federal allocation which was coming through the constiution of 'national unity' imposed on us by the Unity Seekers. But once Benue got pulled out, the federal allocation they were getting fell in size and power changed hands within the residual state and the control of the allocation slipped off their hands. It still comes back to the issue of forced unity which, according to you, is good and fine.

Nowenuse:
You can see that human beings or better put Black people would always cry when things don't go their way out of selfishness.

That is shallow. You should rather ask whether it is even ideal that things must go one particular person's way at a given time if the system were really okay. Why can't we have a system in which where things go depends strictly on who deserves it by virtue of hardwork and innovativeness? No one cries of marginalization in such an environment. We started with such but it all got destroyed by Unity Seekers like you.

Nowenuse:
So, at the end of the day, the mighty and influential regions would have been excessively proliferated into possibly hundreds of smaller regions, with every ethnic group/clan having their own regions. And this would have been worse of because it would have been one ethnic group who controlled the region and it's security against the agtitating one.

Wrong! We currently have 36 somewhat autonomous states as opposed to the former three regions, and the inter ethnic tensions within each state is far less than what obtained back then despite the states were created by military fiat. Imagine how good and pleasant it would have been if these 36 states all got created through democratic/referendum process. Courtesy of the present 36 state structure, the forces pulling Nigeria together far exceeed those pulling it apart. For example, the Biafran secessionist force is seriously weakened by its rejection in the SS states unlike when it found more sympathy hence had a stronger pull in 1967 while the whole area was a single region controlled by one man.
Similarly, someone like Wike is very pro-one Nigeria and therefore always bans IPOB activities in Rivers State, same with some other SS states. But imagine the whole Eastern Region had remained one till today and ruled by an Igbo man who harbours sympathy for Ipob. We would have been closer to disintegration that way. So the more the decentralization, the better for genuine national unity.

Nowenuse:
You talk about economic viability being a prerequisite to the creation of a new state and the question is, who is in charge to determine if my new state won't be viable when I say it would be forgetting that the issue of viability is objective.

The people agitating for a new state determine its viability which they must prove in their memorandum of proposal. If they are not sure of the viability of their proposed state and they eventually get it approved for them through a referendum, they they suffer the economic hardship and it would serve as a deterrent to other prospective agitators for a non-viable state. Midwest Region experienced such difficulty for sometime after creation, so they had to bear it all alone, but it brought out the spirit of innovativeness in them for they just had to survive. Another evidence that decentralization stimulates thinking outside the box.

Nowenuse:
We might have not had enough time with the regional government to be sure of it's serious disadvantages, so we may not conclude that it would have been heaven under that one.

Those who fixed four years for a single democratic term did not make a mistake as it is rightly believed that a really good government doesn't actually need more than four years to prove itself. With the independence constiution, we had six years of experiment which had already showed results that we were on
the right track.

Nowenuse:
You as a western minority who got independence from the western region so easily will not see it the same way as a Northern or Eastern minority who would most likely never have gotten regional independence from the Hausas & Igbos who naturally love domination and are very strongheaded and stubborn compared to the relatively docile and easy going Yorubas.

I thought you were the same person who just claimed that without the help of Zik and Balewa we would not have gotten the Midwest....by implication the Yorubad would not have let go thus as stubborn as Hausas and Igbos who too wouldn't let go of their minorities?
This is why I accuse you of inconsistency and a penchant for adjusting your claims. See one more evidence again?

Nowenuse:
This was a mistake. I wanted to say 'Had the regional system not been abolished.

It still doesn't cut it.

Nowenuse:
Yugoslavia divided pretty much due to the agelong division that has always existed among southern slavs. Religion.
The orthodox Serb, the catholic Croat and the muslim Bosians couldn't really live together as one people without stepping on each other's toes.
The same reason why India was divide

Then why are you arguing that Nigeria, with her equally age-long inter-tribal and inter-religious divisions further fuelled by the extant forced unity, should not be broken down at least by way of decentralization of the system translating to autonomy for as many as possible?