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christistruth01:
On page 288 paragraph (M), the Panel crucially held


“The evidence of the pathologist Prof Obafunwa that only 3 of the bodies that they conducted post mortem examination on were from Lekki and only one had Gunshot injury and this was not debunked. We deem it credible as the contrary was not presented before the panel.”

That was not the only evidence the panel heard or relied upon. There was much more. The AG excising this portion alone is mischievous.

MaxInDHouse:
Romans 16:17; 2

This reads - I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

1. How do you read the words "keep away from them?"
2. Does it suggest to you excommunication from fellowship?
3. Do you believe that such should form grounds for the division and break-up of families? For example, if that person is a spouse, do you "keep away from them?" Do you shun them? If that person is a parent, do you shun them?
4. Do you recognize the potential for cult-like fanaticism in this? Do you recognize that shunning others was a standard practice of many of the most dangerous cults in history?
5. Do you recognize the potential for religious intolerance in this? In the sense that if you are to "keep away" from people who think differently from you in terms of religion, then you probably should not associate with people of other faiths.
6. How would you feel if people of other faiths "shunned" you for being a JW?
7. How can you show Christian love to a shunned person?

John 1:10-11

This reads - He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.

What does this have to do with shunning?

chatinent:
We as Jehovah’s Witnesses adhere to the form of Christianity that Jesus taught and that his apostles practiced. This article summarizes our basic beliefs.
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1. God. We worship the one true and Almighty God, the Creator 'who has a name', and whose name is Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18; Revelation 4:​ 11) He is the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.​—Exodus 3:6; 32:11; John 20:17.
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2. Bible. We recognize the Bible as God’s inspired message to humans. (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:​16) We base our beliefs on all 66 of its books, which include both the “Old Testament” and the “New Testament.” Professor Jason D. BeDuhn aptly described it when he wrote that Jehovah’s Witnesses built “their system of belief and practice from the raw material of the Bible without predetermining what was to be found there.” * While we accept the entire Bible, we are not fundamentalists. We recognize that parts of the Bible are written in figurative or symbolic language and are not to be understood literally.​ —Revelation 1:1.
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3. Jesus. We follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as our Savior and as the Son of God. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 5:​31) Thus, we are Christians. (Acts 11:26) However, we have learned from the Bible that Jesus is not Almighty God and that there is no Scriptural basis for the Trinity doctrine.​—John 14:28.
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4. The Kingdom of God. This is a real government in heaven, not a condition in the hearts of Christians. It will replace human governments and accomplish God’s purpose for the earth. (Daniel 2:​44; Matthew 6:​9, 10) It will take these actions soon, for Bible prophecy indicates that we are living in “ the last days.”​—2 Timothy 3:​1-5; Matthew 24:​3-​14. Jesus is the King of God’s Kingdom in heaven. [color=maroon]He began ruling in 1914.[/color]​—Revelation 11:15.
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5. Salvation. Deliverance from sin and death is possible through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 4:​12) To benefit from that sacrifice, people must not only exercise faith in Jesus but also change their course of life and get baptized. (Matthew 28:19, 20; John 3:​16; Acts 3:​19, 20) A person’s works prove that his faith is alive. (James 2:​24, 26) However, salvation cannot be earned​—it comes through “the undeserved kindness of God.”​—Galatians 2:​16, 21.
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6. Heaven. Jehovah God, Jesus Christ, and the faithful angels reside in the spirit realm. * (Psalm 103:19-​21; Acts 7:​55) A relatively small number of people​—144,000​—will be resurrected to life in heaven to rule with Jesus in the Kingdom.​—Daniel 7:​27; 2 Timothy 2:​12; Revelation 5:​9, 10; 14:​1, 3.
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7. Earth. God created the earth to be mankind’s eternal home. (Psalm 104:5; 115:16; Ecclesiastes 1:4) God will bless obedient people with perfect health and everlasting life in an earthly paradise. Of course, it was his original purpose while creating man.​—Psalm 37:11, 34.
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8. Evil and suffering. These began when one of God’s angels rebelled. (John 8:​44) This angel, who after his rebellion was called “Satan” and “Devil,” persuaded the first human couple to join him, and the consequences have been disastrous for their descendants. ( Genesis 3:​1-6; Romans 5:​12) In order to settle the moral issues raised by Satan, God has 'allowed' evil and suffering, but He will not permit them to continue forever.
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9. Death. People who die pass out of existence. (Psalm 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:​5, 10) They do not suffer in a fiery hell of torment. God will bring billions back from death by means of a resurrection. (Acts 24:15) However, those who refuse to learn God’s ways after being raised to life will be destroyed forever with no hope of a resurrection.​— Revelation 20:14, 15.
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10. Family. We adhere to God’s original standard of marriage as the union of one man and one woman, with sexual immorality being the only valid basis for divorce. (Matthew 19:​4-9) We are convinced that the wisdom found in the Bible helps families to succeed.​—Ephesians 5:22–​6:1.
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11. Our worship. We do not venerate the cross or any other images. (Deuteronomy 4:​15-​19; 1 John 5:​21) Key aspects of our worship include the following: Praying to God.​—Philippians 4:6. Reading and studying the Bible.​—Psalm 1:​1-3. Meditating on what we learn from the Bible.​—Psalm 77:12. Meeting together to pray, study the Bible, sing, express our faith, and encourage fellow Witnesses and others.​— Colossians 3:​16; Hebrews 10:23-​25. Preaching the “good news of the Kingdom.”​—Matthew 24:14. Helping those in need.​—James 2:​14-​17. Constructing and maintaining Kingdom Halls and other facilities used to further our worldwide Bible educational work.​— Psalm 127:1. Sharing in disaster relief.​—Acts 11:27-​30.
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12. Our organization. We are organized into congregations, each of which is overseen by a body of elders. However, the elders do not form a clergy class, and they are unsalaried. (Matthew 10:8; 23: We do not practice tithing, and no collections are ever taken at our meetings. (2 Corinthians 9:7) All our activities are supported by anonymous donations. The Governing Body, a small group of mature Christians who serve at our world headquarters, provides direction for Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide.​— Matthew 24:45.
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Talk to us about the practice of shunning.

Sonyboom765:
You won't be the first despicable Igbo pig to denounce your heritage, it understandable anyone will be ashamed to be from the gutters you n your tribesmen.

. . . .And I am sure here goes a person who will probably condemn racism.

One fears we may continue to see new variants for years if not decades.
On the cynical side, someone mentioned to me that Covid will not go away so long as there is high profile global money to be made in it.

osuofia2:

Mtcheeee, i wish the Brit are still colonizing us(Nigeria) and all its colonies.
Our leaders are so useless except for baba Buhari. SA is one of the best Africa Country because the White left late . Those countries that the colonial master left way too early are in shamble.

I wish I had the energy and time to respond in detail to this. Suffice to say that if you had any clue of the psychological impact of apartheid on the South African population, you would thank your stars for the privilege of being a citizen of an African country where you did not experience the sort of thing that would have stamped a permanent mark of traumatic psychological inferiority issues within your psyche and damaged you inwardly.

Nigerians in particular have a glorious and indomitable global diaspora which excels in every field of human endeavor and this is partly due to the fact that nothing within their psyche prods them to consider themselves inferior to any other human anywhere on the planet. If anything, they see themselves as top of the pack in many respects.

In SA, there are sill many upscale wealthy neighborhoods where the only black people you will see are domestic servants, waiters, cleaners and the like.

You have no idea.

dig64:
What is wrong with Africans? Fighting and killing for things Europeans will discuss and settle in 20 mins.

Just like they discussed and resolved the 100 years war, the 30 years war, the Napoleonic wars, the fist and second world wars in 20 minutes over coffee right?

Tokskob2008:
Yes you are right, they were invented by individuals but do you know that their government took charge and came to their aid in most cases before it actually became this big? Can African government or in this case Nigerian government do such or haven't you seen a lot of those smart individuals on NL front-page with one little invention or the other but you and I know that's where it ends so you see where government comes to play in all this now? American car maker Ford got his big boost when the government stepped in but we know that can't happen in Nigeria. Even before Innoson there has been so many guys that has tried car making in this country but when the government refused to assist they all died off, a man started car making in the 80s but till he died nothing much came out of it and even after death nothing cos it was abandoned just the way he left it. I don't know how Innoson does his magic to get to this present stage and the man is really trying honestly but believe me if the government had assisted him one way or the other maybe we won't be using foreign cars much again. So you see my brother even if you invent anything and you don't have the necessary backup it all amounts to total waste at the end.

Governments are made up of people.

Righteousness2:
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?[/b][/i]

Wonderful. The Creator threatening to beat down and destroy his creations.
How big, how bold, how brave of the Creator!

Dtruthspeaker:
If I truly denigrated God, you would have shown it. Your bias and hatred for God is preventing you from being fair and reasonable.

1. Please show me exactly what you said that one has avoided.
2. How does a rejection of the barbaric doctrine of human sacrifice as being redemption for sins amount to a hatred for God?
3. Are you aware that the Bible itself contains more than enough which shows that the idea of Christ's death being a propitiatory sacrifice for sins is gravely wrong?

Dtruthspeaker:
Ah!

Try this out, go to any prison and tell any prisoner that governor or president is planning on granting them pardon, see whether he would not shout for joy!

If you truly knew what it means to be truly convicted of crimes, then you would have appreciated that even the hope of Pardon, is as a gulp of water to a man in the hot desert. Exactly as Lazarus was asking for a drop of water in hell.

You dont even know just how you denigrate the concept of God with this ridiculous and barbaric doctrine of human sacrifice.

Dtruthspeaker:
This was what I addressed, if you followed the thread of my comment to you, you would see it was you who alleged,



And I answered, hence your evasion and avoidance. So, it is clear now.

Evasion of what? ? ?
You speak as though you said anything worthy of a response. As though you actually set out a proper case which is being avoided.
Wake up - You said nothing.
What answer did you give beyond simply declaring that Christ's case is different and not repugnant?
That's called special pleading.
If you cant give any sound reasons as to what makes it different please just carry on sipping your Kool Aid and saunter gently into your realm of myth and slavish fantasy.

Dtruthspeaker:
Your Avoidance is Noticed.

I clearly said, for the first time in this world, in Christ and through Christ we see a Human Sacrifice that is beyond reasonable dispute, offensive and Unlawful.

That clearly can not be said about a lot of the popular human sacrifices, which world all over have been condemned.

That clearly tells everyone the difference.

You are just seeking to unreasonably cast evil aspersions into God's Right full Way!

What avoidance. You merely made a (slavish) declaration without giving a single reason as to why it is true.
Anything that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Nonetheless we have given evidence through logic, at all events, for our our simple assertion: to wit: the doctrine of the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ for human sins is equivalent to ritual human sacrifice which Christians paradoxically frown upon.

Dtruthspeaker:
"Supposedly commited sins?"
Are you people that greatly insane?

Are you guilty of committing offences or not? (Lie here)

How insane it is that a person in prison will be suspicious of Grant of Pardon!

Anyway, it is the right of a condemned criminal to refuse proceedings to obtain parole and pardon!

Any sensible and spiritually alert human being must instantly doubt any "pardon" which is offered through the execution of another human being in terms of ritual human sacrifice.

Dtruthspeaker:
Rituals is a part of Natural Living and for the first time in Christ and through Christ we see a Human Sacrifice that is not repugnant. For funny enough, it does not directly look exactly like the sacrifice which we are accustomed to.

But nonetheless, it remains a valid and Law Full and Unrepugnant Sacrifice, which is greatly different from all the repugnant human sacrifices.

So get corrected, we do rituals everyday and we are still pagany, but of a Law Full Variety.

Beyond your slavish absorption of the myths, fairy tales and legends of your colonial masters, on what basis should you condemn ritual human sacrifice as carried out by any other culture or religion. By the Aztecs for example.

Clickguy44:
We don't believe we are the smarter gender, we know this. The environment is a proof to that. Your phone was invented by Martin a guy. Facebook was programmed by a guy named Mark. Same as Twitter by a guy name Jack. Interestingly, a guy created Nairaland his name Seun. We rise by lifting others.

Going with this same analogy, white people are vastly superior to black people.
You sir, represent the height of illiteracy, ignorance and sheer idiocy.

Clickguy44:
Women shouldn't choose partners for themselves but should allow others do the choosing for them.

Antediluvian nincompoop!
*pukes*

Sheunma:
In summary,a perfect God sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself of sins supposedly committed by supposedly perfect humans placed by God in a supposedly perfect garden which contained an imperfect fruit and serpent which tricked the supposedly perfect humans to go against the commandments of the perfect God!?

It hurts my brain to even think about it. Guess I'm gonna need the help of the holy spirit to figure it out as usual.

Plus, the idea that someone died for humanity and that someone didn't stay dead but rose just after 3 days is somehow.
I mean, if I met a dude who claimed to have died for me 3 days ago, I'd probably think he belonged to a mental home. If you sacrificed something, you don't get it back, that why it is called a sacrifice.

Again, maybe I'm using my carnal understanding too much and probably need the holy spirit to make me understand the kind of sacrifice that entails the "sacrificee" getting back what was said to be sacrificed just few days after the supposed sacrifice.

Thank you very much. You are being clear and rational which is rare.
The reason they say its a sacrifice though is that he allegedly didnt have to ever taste death, being completely free of "Adamic" sin.
What delusions. What fantastic delusions.

Hismasterpiece:
Lol.. i did read it and from what you wrote i deduced that you haven't understood my point of view

Your point of view is a fanatical one advised by the absurdities of an imported religion. You are shackled by the yoke of the delusions, myths and fairy tales of other men just like yourself and are unable to reason with clarity and simplicity. If you had the light of simple rationality and clarity, you would be ashamed to propound the absurdities you propound. The absurdities you have been brainwashed into by your colonial masters and your intellectually lazy and spiritually indolent society.

Hismasterpiece:
Have you not read anything i posted? How can you still hold this view after reading all that i wrote?

Did you also not read my explanatory post above?

Irekpitah:
You said:

Having different sexual partners at a time, [b]besides a man in polygyny, [/b]is supposed to be counted as a disorder.

Why make an exception for the polygamous man?

Pussywar:
On morality, I like to differentiate between personal morals and things capable of harming others. Stealing is bad because you’re taking something that belongs to someone else, it hurts them. There is literally no debate surrounding that. But then saying that people who have a lot of sex are doing something bad...how exactly do you explain that?

I completely agree with this. I do not believe that people who have a lot of sex have done anything immoral.

I simply thought the thread I referred you to might be of interest in the matter of moral subjectivity. Which for me is slightly different from moral relativism. Personally, I think there are problems with any world view which states that all morality is subjective.

Pussywar:
Morality is subjective

On this - you might find this old thread interesting -

https://www.nairaland.com/1520806/evolution-morality

PS: I agree with you on the point regarding the subjectivity of se.xual lifestyle preferences.

Hismasterpiece:
But Jesus was raised from the dead. Can this be said about any ritual sacrifice?

A number of things to note here -

1. At all events there was still a crucifixion and a death: this in itself entails something lost or given up - even if allegedly temporary - and thus is still sacrificial in the sense argued by Christianity.

2. Christianity holds that the Christ was without sin - and that death is the wages of sin - therefore that Christ suffered death without deserving death, and thus that this was again sacrificial.

3. While crucifixion was the known standard method of Roman execution of non-Roman criminals, and while death is common to all humanity, resurrection is an unproven myth so far - and the mere fact that you believe it forms no grounds to present it as evidence of anything to those of us you regard it - rightfully - as a fantasy.

Finally - we must ask the simple question - what is ritual human sacrifice?

Let us define the words one by one. Ritual, Human and Sacrifice. So that it is clear.

Essential Meaning of ritual
1 : done as part of a ceremony or ritual (e.g) a ritual dance/ perform a ritual purification
2 : always done in a particular situation and in the same way each time ritual acts a ritual greeting/gesture

Full Definition of ritual

(Entry 1 of 2)
1 : of or relating to rites or a ritual : ceremonial a ritual dance
2 : according to religious law ritual purity
3 : done in accordance with social custom or normal protocol ritual handshakes ritual background checks

(Entry 2 of 2)
1 : the established form for a ceremony specifically : the order of words prescribed for a religious ceremony
2a : ritual observance specifically : a system of rites
b : a ceremonial act or action
c : an act or series of acts regularly repeated in a set precise manner

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ritual

Please note the bolded, and you should understand that the applicable usage here is that of a rite of purification, which is what Christian teaching asserts the death on the cross to have been. Mind you, it is said to have been prophesied, and several specifications were attributed to it. It was thus a specific rite by which Christian teaching asserts that man was reunited with God, and forgiveness of sins obtained. It was also preceded by the Jewish rite of sacrifice of animals for the remission or removal of sins. This is why we say conclusively that it was ritualistic in nature.

Secondly, what is the definition of human? A human being, as we know, is a being such as ourselves. Under Christian teaching, it is said that Jesus was the "Son of Man" and (depending on what sects you listen to) - that he was fully man and fully God - at all events all schools assert - both trinitarian and non-trinitarian - that he was made man, and came as a human being. Thus, Christ is said to have had a human nature - even by those who ridiculously assert that he was also almighty God. Something which must be absurd if one also believes in his sacrificial death, because this infers that God sacrificed himself to himself so that he could allow himself to forgive man,

Thirdly, what is the meaning of sacrifice?

Essential Meaning of sacrifice
1 : the act of giving up something that you want to keep especially in order to get or do something else or to help someone
2 : an act of killing a person or animal in a religious ceremony as an offering to please a god - (e.g) a place where priests performed human/animal sacrifices in ancient rituals/ a place where people were offered (up) in sacrifice to the gods
3 : a person or animal that is killed in a sacrifice (e.g) - The villagers hoped the gods would accept their sacrifice. The goat was offered as a sacrifice.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrifice

There you go. Nothing more to add to that.

Accordingly you can see clearly that the teaching that Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins in a propitiatory way renders the entire event and circumstance nothing but ritual human sacrifice.

And say what you will, that is nothing short of pagan and repugnant as I have said before.

And as Premiumwriter has rightly argued, if it is the cornerstone of your religion, you cannot condemn the practice elsewhere without being a most evident hypocrite. I personally add that it discloses your religion as one based on primitive and barbaric principles, and discloses your God as bloodthirsty.

PS: I generally have no problem with paganism - save those particular practices which tend to the dark, and human sacrifice is one of such.

Premiumwriter:
Total lies.

Everything I have said since is that CHRISTIANITY Is FOUNDED UPON HUMAN SACRIFICE.

I have not said anything beside that.

You are the one trying to say that is not true even when your Bible clearly stated it.

I neither condemn nor say this is a good thing. All I said was that if Christianity is so established on human Sacrifice then it has no right to condemn others offering lesser animals or sacrifices of the same proportion to their gods.

This has been my point. Nothing else.

Bang on point. Perfectly true - and no length of self-deceiving-twisted epistles can deny that fact.

Hismasterpiece:
So you see, there is a vast difference between ritual sacrifices and the sacrifice of Jesus. And it is wrong and illogical to even compare the both of them to each other.

Shalom!

Stop working so hard to deceive yourself. The alleged propitiatory sacrifice of Christ is ritual human sacrifice. Pagan and repugnant.

The Economist will laugh their heads off just at the very bad written English!

FOLYKAZE:
Why can't you air your opinion and let me air mine? This insult is unnecessary. I respect you alot

Oya pele.
I am a deep lover of animals and cruelty to animals is no joke.
Humans, in my view, are often over rated: we are a disgusting species full of deviant evil and a scourge to the Earth itself.
Comparing humans to animals often amounts to insulting the animals - who live in perfect harmony with nature - something we have failed to do.

Every right thinking person should support legal protections for animals against human cruelty, impunity, greed and wastefulness.

As for robots, that's just another manifestation of the questionable ways of humankind.

FOLYKAZE:
To some degrees, I see this as madness.

Animals are having more respect than human. In this world, a robot called Sophia has more value than all the women in Saudi Arabia. Sex doll and domestic robots are taking the places of our women.

This is a hard pill to swallow. I prefare to shoulder up with my fellow human than animal or robot.

Medieval fooool.

MyExpression:
They have been doing this over the years...there just might be a legal book that supports it.
Except you're in the know and are speaking from solid knowledge, I dare say we should leave them to keep acting in that regard.

I know a lady that benefited from YouWin project I lagos several years ago.

She still runs a bakery which she pitched for and won a million naira grant dah year.

Sincerely glad for the lady and other worthy beneficiaries nevertheless the harm to the system is infinitely greater than the relief individuals may derive. What is wrong is wrong. And until we get disciplined in this country, things will always be a mess.

You need to understand that this is not just illegal it is also an avenue for massive corruption. In the days of SLS the CBN was everywhere making donations to Schools (selected at its discretion) and leapfrogging many other MDAs in terms of their lawful functions. All of that was explained away by the smooth talking SLS as CSR. Any one who knows what CSR is knows that its strictly the province of private companies and that statutory organizations have no CSR remit whatsoever.

It is beyond illegal, it is sheer impunity, and even sheer madness.

A regulatory body must stick to its functions. Just imagine the Power Sector Regulatory body making donations to schools or hospitals or INEC intervening in Agriculture. Then you can picture just how insane such actions of the CBN really are.

It really amounts to forming a parallel government.

If I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times. A Central Bank has no business with schemes like this. Doing such usurps the functions of properly designated MDAs.

Nor does a Central Bank have any "CSR remit" a la SLS.

A Central Bank should stick to Central Banking.

Lol, Sweeney Todd AFRICANA!