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Politics › Re: Abia Central: Labour Party Members Protest Sack Of Sen. Darlington Nwokocha by Deepthoughts: 1:03am On Nov 08, 2023
Indispensable85:
If you've not seen the judgement why are you concluding? Beer palour gist... Lol 🤣
If you haven't found out why the labour party was protesting why where you so quick to reach conclusion n began to castigate them?
Politics › Re: Abia Central: Labour Party Members Protest Sack Of Sen. Darlington Nwokocha by Deepthoughts: 9:27am On Nov 07, 2023
Indispensable85:
Have you seen the judgement?
Have you found out why the labour party were protesting?
Politics › Re: Abia Central: Labour Party Members Protest Sack Of Sen. Darlington Nwokocha by Deepthoughts: 7:59pm On Nov 06, 2023
Indispensable85:
You just confirmed my assertion that you guys don't know that the appeal court is the final court in national assembly petitions. Lol 🤣
Nobody disagrees with the fact that the appeal court is the final destination for national assembly electoral matters,the issue here is the appeal court going outside of it legal mandate to adjudicate n pass judgement on strictly intra party affairs,the supreme Court has clearly explain the position of the law in such cases, ideally the supreme Court should be involved now because it's now a case of interpretation n application of the law, except if you are saying that since the appeal court is the final in this instance they can choose to do whatever they like n it should just be accepted like that,but that would be very unfortunate.
Politics › Re: Abia Central: Labour Party Members Protest Sack Of Sen. Darlington Nwokocha by Deepthoughts: 6:21pm On Nov 06, 2023
Indispensable85:
This is how you know them. Obidients are the most ignorant humans on earth today. So they want the appeal court to reverse the judgement. I bet most of them don't even know the appeal court is the final court for national assembly petitions. Lol 🤣🤣🤣
please you people should always try to understand issues first before commenting n condemnation,the labour party is protesting the ruling of the appeal court because the ruling was based on an internal matter of the labour party which the law forbid the court from adjudicating on,so the judgement is like a deliberate legal brigandage,what I don't know is if the matter can be taken before the supreme Court for legal interpretation because the supreme Court itself is clear on who can n should challenge an intra party matter.
Politics › Re: What Is A Presidential Yacht? Countries With Presidential Yachts by Deepthoughts: 12:50pm On Nov 02, 2023
sarkinbauchi:
A Presidential yacht refers to a vessel of a country's navy that would be specially used by the country's President. It is common for a vessel to be designated as the presidential yacht during a fleet review.

Some countries (below) have vessels permanently designated as presidential yachts:

List of Countries with Presidential yachts

Egypt
The President of Egypt has the eighth largest yacht, El Mahrousa, as his presidential yacht.

Finland
The President of Finland has a small private yacht, Kultaranta VIII.

India
The INS Sumitra is the presidential yacht of India.

Italy
The Italian ship Argo (MEN209) is the presidential yacht of Italy.

Philippines
Casiana (1936-1941), renamed Banahaw.
Orchid (1946-1948)
Dalisay (1948-1959), renamed Apo, Pagasa, and Santa Maria.
RPS Lapu-Lapu (1959–present), renamed RPS Roxas, RPS The President, RPS Pag-Asa, and BRP Ang Pangulo.

Russia
Russia employed presidential yachts serving the Russian presidents, including:
Olympia (2002–2009), was used by the Russian President Vladimir Putin during his first and second terms.
Sirius (2010–), was firstly used by the Russian President Dmitri Medvedev
Graceful (2018–), the most recent presidential yacht. The Russian government also employing the special vessel named Rossiya which was built during the Soviet Union, and used in the internal waters. In 2003 ship named Burevestnik was commissioned to serve the Russia's leaders.[5]

Turkey
Presidential Yacht Savarona – The current Turkish presidential yacht; prior to 2010 privately leased while her replacement (below) was in development
New presidential yacht – The Turkish Government has currently commissioned a new 50 m yacht for the personal use of the president and visiting heads of state. Details of this new yacht first surfaced in September 2008.[6][citation needed] The yacht is being built at the Istanbul Naval Yard, Pendik, Istanbul and is reported to have a ballistic hull, surface-to-air missiles and high-tech equipment.

United States
In the past, the United States employed presidential yachts serving the American president:

USS Mayflower (1906–1929), was decommissioned as a result of economy measures just prior to the Great Depression.
USS Potomac (1936–1945)
USS Williamsburg (1945–1953)
the most recent presidential yacht was USS Sequoia (1933–77).

Yugoslavia
The most famous is Galeb, the yacht of Marshal Josip Broz Tito.
Heheheeeh,after yatch abi na Yash self,we need to have presidential bicycle,okada, luxurious bus n train should in case the situation of need arises for their use by the president ooh,when it comes to rubish we would be listing countries as point of reference n quickly term it international best practices,but when it's time for disclosure of information about the personal history of important political office holders that a subject of serious doubts n questioning,no country will be listed as a reference point for resistance!,mek Dem enjoy no wahala,Dem say na their turn.
Career › Re: My Salary Has Finished by Deepthoughts: 10:25am On Oct 31, 2023
Herdamorlar:
With the high rise in the prices of all the basic needs. I returned from work this evening and I tried to write all I needed and to my surprise, my salary has finished with no savings for me.

I just don't know what to remove from the list right now, are we really going to continue like this? Especially those of us working for private companies, these private companies don't even bother to increase the salary of their workers with the rise in all commodities in the country.
show the list n I will tell you what you can remove.
Politics › Re: He Has Privacy Rights — FBI, CIA Reject Request For Tinubu’s Records by Deepthoughts: 7:16am On Oct 31, 2023
tinsel:
https://www.thecable.ng/he-has-privacy-rights-fbi-cia-reject-request-for-tinubus-records/amp
Fraud has triumph against transparency for now, between now n 2027 events will show whether the Americans stood for the truth or something else,at least it has now been proven that Tinubu never attended any known primary school n he attended a spiritual secondary School obtaining a fraudulent result,his sycophantic supporters will never talk about this aspect of his fraudulent life, hope is not lost that before 2027 the information been hidden about Tinubu will be revealed.
Politics › Re: Supreme Court: Nigerians Are The Bigger Losers, Not Me – Atiku by Deepthoughts: 2:01pm On Oct 30, 2023
Twy:
I think we should have a change of heart from crime. I seriously doubt the top three never benefited from crime or their wealth is detached from the rewards of crime. He is not the best to talk about crime. He can talk about it if he gives away his weatlh to fight crime and educate citizens about good behviours.
Yes,the top three contestants were not perfect just as none of us is,but Atiku is certainly right that such open n established fraud n criminality shouldn't be accepted, rewarded n celebrated,for God's sake where on Earth apart from Nigeria can you get a person with Tinubu's kind of dirty baggage n some many unanswered questions to become a president?, let's be sincere it's not about tribe because before n after Tinubu Yoruba will still rule this country, it's not about religion because before n after Tinubu Muslims will still rule this country,so why must it be Tinubu?, Nigeria is really a disgrace n it's very painful.
Politics › Re: Full Text Of Atiku's Speech At His Press Conference by Deepthoughts: 1:49pm On Oct 30, 2023
seunlayi:
Atiku is actually right, but many Nigerians won't reason.... They like been manipulated
Exactly my brother.
Politics › Re: Etekamba Umoren: Tinubu Has Started 2027 Re-Election Bid - Soyombo by Deepthoughts: 2:41pm On Oct 28, 2023
Nemere2020:
'Fisayo Soyombo (Twitter)
If with all the dirty information that has been revealed about Tinubu n more is still being expected, Tinubu is allowed to contest the presidency again in 2027 the Nigeria should just accept to be the fraud headquarters of the world, Atikus effort are not in vain, Tinubu escaped this 2023 because of time limit n limited information about his fraudulent past but surely before 2027 there would be a clear concrete picture,if in 2027 Nigeria should accept that a man who never attended any known primary school,who attended a fictitious secondary School, who's history is very questionable,who fraudulently acquired certificates in the US,(in fact it's doubtful if Tinubu legally entered the US) to rule the country again,then the law should just be officially abolished so that the country can truly become lawless, shameless n worthless.
Education › Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Deepthoughts: 8:05pm On Oct 26, 2023
FreeStuffsNG:
‘Converting’ HND to degree is absurd'




https://punchng.com/converting-hnd-to-degree-is-absurd/
This editorial was written as if the writters are not Nigerians,who in Nigeria is not aware of the descriminations holders of HND faces in the country,,since the emphasis is on degree,there is nothing absurd about the nbte trying to find a way out for the HND certificate holders,their efforts is very commendable, finally the polytechnics should all be converted to colleges and be given the power to award first degrees only,there should be a single entry requirement for all colleges and universities simple.
Politics › Re: Unavailability Of Results On Irev Portal Not A Ground For Nullification - Court by Deepthoughts: 7:48pm On Oct 26, 2023
Twy:
I suspect, they are using a staggered strategy towads transmission. From one of their reports ", IReV has
enabled the Commission to test three
things that are germane to electronic
transmission of results.
First, it has been used to test the efficacy
of electronic results management,
should the legal encumbrance be
lifted. This system has been deployed
in several major off-season/endof-tenure and bye-elections. These
include the Edo and Ondo State
Governorship elections, six Senatorial
and three Federal Constituency byeelections, 15 State constituencies and
one Councillorship Constituency in the
FCT. From the result obtained from these
elections, the Commission is convinced
that electronic result management will
add great value to the transparency
and credibility of elections in Nigeria.
Secondly, the Commission used the
IReV portal to test the security of
our systems if they are deployed for
electronic transmission of results. Again,
our systems have passed the entire
necessary security tests, including
“dummy hacking” by ethical hackers.
Thirdly, the Commission has used the
IReV online publishing of Polling Unit
results to test the capacity of the
national infrastructure to support
future electronic transmission of results.
Results were transferred in real-time
from all parts of the country covering
different types of elections"
Thanks for your efforts,but INEC has really list credibility, let's see what they would do next month,they have been making the same promise of transmitting the elections results electronically but at the end they will come with different stories.
Politics › Re: What Lesson(s) Have You Learnt From Atiku, Obi And President Tinubu by Deepthoughts: 1:17pm On Oct 26, 2023
Odewaleadesoye:
What lesson can you learn from Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, Peter Obi and President Bola Ahmed Tinubu?
The lesson I learnt is that you can run but you can't hide forever, Tinubu's personality is now known,FBI files in few days will finish it off.
Politics › Re: Peter Obi's Appeal Dismissed By The Supreme Court by Deepthoughts: 1:13pm On Oct 26, 2023
donphilopus:
The Supreme Court has dismissed Peter Obi's appeal.
I understand the position of the supreme Court, INEC enjoys too much legal protection to do rubbish in this country,the law should be changed to make INEC too to independently defend her decisions n not be aligning with any party,Atiku has done his best to expose Tinubu,at least now it's a fact that, Tinubu didn't attend any primary school,he attended an imaginary secondary school,n by the time FBI files gives the details about his American abracadabra then the struggle must move to the NASS,the law provide time limits so the supreme Court can not be faulted but if FBI files hits the final nail then the nation must rise against the NASS to uphold the honour n integrity of the country.
Politics › Re: Unavailability Of Results On Irev Portal Not A Ground For Nullification - Court by Deepthoughts: 1:00pm On Oct 26, 2023
Twy:
Forget what you read online. I am reading from INEC documents from 2021 to 2022. They have never publicly admitted programming the IREV for transmission of results. By their definition of electronic transmission, collating and transmitting polling units, wards, lga, and state results and assigning winner. What they claim it is to upload images of polling units results. They can design or programm it for electronic transmission but I am Nigerian, I doubt that IREV can actually do that right now.
Get me right, I'm not talking of electronic transmission, I'm talking in a general note,if the IREV has no bearing with the final tally of elections results, there's no point displaying it to the public,rather it should be an in house thing for INEC simple,if I may ask you,since the IREV has no bearing on the final elections results, of what purpose is it to the public?
Politics › Re: Unavailability Of Results On Irev Portal Not A Ground For Nullification - Court by Deepthoughts: 11:44am On Oct 26, 2023
Twy:
It is a beta project that INEC choice is using to upload polling results. The next phase is likely collation but they have not started it.
please don't try to justify rubbish,what is even collation by the way? isn't it basically adding up figures?,if INEC is truthful, results ought to be uploaded on to the IREV quickly n the final tally should be almost same with what's on the portal,but because the original intention is to deceive the public, INEC created the IREV only to be uploading doctored results weeks after elections and tells the public the IREV is only for viewing n not collation,only senseless persons would believe that crap.
Politics › Re: Supreme Court Discards Deposition By CSU Based On 180-Day Time Frame by Deepthoughts: 11:22am On Oct 26, 2023
Estello:
CSU Deposition Gotten by Atiku Discarded By The Supreme Court Of Nigeria.

Section 22 of Electoral Act has also been denied

Judgement By Justice Iyang Okoro
well it's expected,not that evidence is not meaningful but technicality has prevaied,the evidence are now ready n more will be unearthe for future use.
Politics › Re: Supreme Court Says 25% Of Votes In FCT Not Compulsory by Deepthoughts: 11:18am On Oct 26, 2023
Estello:
Justice Okoro has held that not having 25% of the votes in Abuja does not stop a candidate from being declared president.

The judge held that people of Abuja are equal and not different from other Nigerians
I don't support Tinubu but I agree.
Politics › Re: Unavailability Of Results On Irev Portal Not A Ground For Nullification - Court by Deepthoughts: 11:18am On Oct 26, 2023
fergie001:
Justice Inyang Okoro JSC
If that is the case then IREV is just a total waste of money and should be cancelled,I mean what the point of a viewing portal that is worthless, it's just an avenue to siphon money,shame on INEC.
Politics › Re: Supreme Court To Deliver Judgment On Atiku, Obi’s Appeals Against Tinubu by Deepthoughts: 5:42pm On Oct 25, 2023
Baatunde:
Sorry what is happening on the 31st of October?
FBI are going to tell us a story about sombiri!
Politics › Re: Supreme Court To Deliver Judgment On Atiku, Obi’s Appeals Against Tinubu by Deepthoughts: 3:57pm On Oct 25, 2023
Baatunde:
Since you already had a sneak preview of the contents of the so called reports from the FBI, why dont you be a good boy like Hundeyin and release some of it for us grin grin grin
31 Oct is not too far to me unlike the supreme Court.
Politics › Re: Supreme Court To Deliver Judgment On Atiku, Obi’s Appeals Against Tinubu by Deepthoughts: 3:55pm On Oct 25, 2023
seunmsg:
How you convinced yourself that there is sense in what you posted is beyond my comprehension. How did you allow the lies by the opposition to get you so emotional and illogical to this extent? Everything you posted up there are lies fed into your brain by a very bitter and hateful opposition movement. There is nothing like that in any FBI file anywhere in the world.

The Supreme Court is a court of law and evidence and not a court of social media lies and hateful conjectures. They don't rule based on sponsored social media propaganda. Atiku and Peter filed their appeals against the PEPC judgement and they have both adopted their briefs of argument. Even Atiku that wanted to present a new evidence was allowed to move his motion for new evidence on Monday. All the parties have closed their cases so the only thing left is judgement. Even if the FBI files contains every of the lies you listed above, it won't count again as the court is bound to rule based on evidence presented to the court and not what is on social media.

Finally, you will do yourself a lot of good by purging your system of the lies that have been fed into you. President Bola Tinubu graduated from CSU with distinction and that is clear to every sensible person. Even David Hundeyin had to grudgingly accept on twitter that Tinubu truly attended and graduated from CSU. The FBI files are about the investigation into the narcotics connection and even at that, it can't contain anything damning because FBI never sued Tinubu directly for drug dealing. If they have evidence of any wrong doing, they would have have sued him long time ago. The appeals will be dismissed rightly tomorrow and Bola Tinubu will rule till 2027 at the first instance. The earlier you accept this reality, the better for your mental health. Stop allowing opposition mess up with your brain with their evil lies. Just like the CSU records, absolutely nothing new will be revealed from the FBI files.
In one breath you are outrightly waving off the FBI files,in another breath you are saying they wouldn't reveal much,yet Tinubu has been fighting tooth nail to stop them from being released,yes Tinubu attended CSU fraudulently with stolen south west college result bearing the security number of a different person n a female for that matter, everything about Tinubu has been fraudulent n you can't deny it, you are just supporting him out of sentiments,yes the supreme Court may rule in his favour tomorrow without care because he has done his deed as usual, I'm old n knowledgeable enough to reason for myself n not been led by any propaganda,deep within you,you know Tinubu is a dubious character but time shall tell.
Politics › Re: Murray-Bruce: Let Us Try To Rescue Our Economy, After Tomorrow's Judgement by Deepthoughts: 2:50pm On Oct 25, 2023
LagosG:
No matter how you want to decorate a house with faulty foundations, it is still primed to collapse.


Most of the people to blame for where we are today are dead. They wrecked us in the 60s, 70s and 80s. That's why Fela was crying out at the time because the foundation was crooked. Even if you bring Obama to be president of Nigeria, things will still be abnormal and the prices of commodities will still continue to climb. No single president can give us immediate relief. They can only help implement policies that future Nigerians in 100-200 years will enjoy. As it stands, unless we just want to lie to ourselves all the political parties in Nigeria are the same. None of them can save us. Na human beings dey the parties. After complaining about PDP for 16 years and APC came into power, many of them switched sides and na so Dem go dey do forever. So even if you feel cursing APC gives you some relief, remember that many of its members are the same people in the PDP you now like in hindsight . It is only in hindsight that we praise our leaders. I've never seen any sitting president who satisfied the majority of Nigeria's citizens. Obasanjo was only praised and appreciated after his administration ended. Nobody gave him accolades when he was in Aso Rock. I never believed Jonathan would be praised after Google told us he was the most cursed president at the time. Bihari is also now being praised as being better than Tinubu. Buhari that literally everyone except his children cursed his administration. Same thing will happen after BAT's administration. I'm 100% sure of it. That's how you know Nigerians are the problem of Nigeria not necessarily the #1 citizen.
Our political parties don't have an ideology like they do in other countries. Just greedy men wanting to stay on power and Mr Murray Bruce isn't innocent either.
Please leave this recurring talk of past leaders,other countries passed through worst but competent n patriotic leaders came up to turn things around for good,go and read the history of Singapore, Malaysia China n the Asian tigers in general, even Ghana self,by all ramifications having Tinubu as Nigeria's president with his baggage of dirts is big disgrace to Nigeria and Nigerians,we shall soon see the effects.
Politics › Re: Supreme Court To Deliver Judgment On Atiku, Obi’s Appeals Against Tinubu by Deepthoughts: 2:37pm On Oct 25, 2023
Ratello:
The only saving grace right now is for PDP's legal team to compel FBI, CIA to release the reports on Tinubu today or else this election is gone because this stupid Supreme Court is behind Tinubu
That is not possible,but it's really a shame on Nigeria n Nigerians all.
Politics › Re: Supreme Court To Deliver Judgment On Atiku, Obi’s Appeals Against Tinubu by Deepthoughts: 2:35pm On Oct 25, 2023
seunmsg:
It is obvious you guys are very ignorant about how the judicial process works. How exactly do you want the Supreme court to handle the case? Ask all the parties to call and cross examine witnesses or what? Do you understand the differences between a court of first instance and an appeal court? The Supreme court is sitting as the final appellate court over the matter and not as a court of first instance. All they have to do is read the original judgement from the PEPC, read the appeal and cross appeal filed by different parties and decide whether or not the court of first instance erred in law or not.

Again, it's extremely ignorant to think whatever documents the FBI want to release has any bearing on the case. Court judgements are based on evidences before the court and not social media gossips and propaganda.
Ok,agreed,but considering the far reaching implications of FBI returning a damning report on Tinubu e.g that the security number on his acclaimed southwest college results wasn't his,that he stole or obtained it by fraud,that he actually didn't graduate property from CSU as he had pending carryover,that he was not entitled to any certificate at all etc,all meaning he is a criminal, wouldn't the supreme Court take that into consideration and pass a judgement that would save the country international disgrace?, even where there are lacuna's in the Constitution,the supreme Court as a Court of policy can use acceptable legal doctrines to pass judgement that becomes case law,here I'm referring to the supreme Court allowing the tendering of new evidence in very important situation such as this,for God's sake,how would it look like that Nigerian president is an established habitual crook!,name fraudulent, history fraudulent, primary school unknown, secondary School abracadabra,University in USA fraudulent, certificate by third party vendors haba!,if the judges of the supreme Court has conscience they should have tarried a little bit.
Politics › Re: Supreme Court To Deliver Judgment On Atiku, Obi’s Appeals Against Tinubu by Deepthoughts: 12:54pm On Oct 25, 2023
meglith1:
Source: https://punchng.com/breaking-scourt-to-deliver-judgment-on-atiku-obis-appeals-against-tinubu-thursday/
so this is how the supreme Court handle cases, just few questions ask about the motion to submit new evidence n that's all?, something tells me the supreme Court is just in a hurry to fulfill her own side of the bargain before Oct 30 to wash their hands off the coming FBI bombardment,no wonder Tinubu was against accelerated release of the documents,but it will be a shme of international dimension if the supreme Court rules in favour of Tinubu only for information to show beyond doubt that he is a crook by the FBI,I expected the supreme Court to have waited a bit to take cognizance of the developing situation,the presidency is an institution representing Nigeria, it's beyond an individual personal interest n shouldn't be rediculed.well we shall see.
Health › Re: My Boss Deceived Me Into Donating My Kidney Over Empty $20m Promise — Driver by Deepthoughts: 10:05am On Oct 25, 2023
Family › Re: My Wife Constantly Denies Me Sex by Deepthoughts: 10:02am On Oct 25, 2023
Yankiss:
Well, she might be correct. Childbirth makes a lot of changes in a woman. It affects her shape and sometimes self-esteem and how she views life. Some are still scared of the labour room and the trauma. Recovery is gradual. Also, men and women react differently to sex. She has to be in the mood way ahead of time. While men are instantaneous, women may take longer to arrive there. He should romance her in the morning, cuddle, smooch, any kind of rough play or sexually-spiked teasing. He shouldnt become the preacher. She still wants to be pampered and cuddled like during courtship. She would be in the mood later. OP should not listen to the advise of wreckers here.
Oya ops continue cuddling you hear,you can cuddle her from morning till night until the cuddle kill you join na una Sabi.
Family › Re: My Wife Constantly Denies Me Sex by Deepthoughts: 10:03pm On Oct 24, 2023
Ogalanyaidi:
I have been married for a little under 2 years. During out courtship, my wife and I were very intimate. Later on, she became pregnant and we welcomed a child but since then, our sex live has never recovered till date. My wife is currently pregnant but the denial didn't start today.

She does everything possible to prevent us from having sex, from laying our child on our bed instead of the court to cleaning or watching movies in the lounge room whenever I am in the room, she will then reenter the bedroom when i am asleep. The last time, she said that I don't do enough to get her arose and that if I want sex I have to earn it. She suggested that I have to start in the morning by being nice to her so when it's night, I would have been able to get her arose.

I work an average of two shifts everyday, and sleep at home maybe 3 nights a week so I can pay our mortgage and other bills as she barely works due to having to look after our child.
Your wife is just trying to use sex as a weapon to manipulate n control you,take my advice,don't be aggressive just appear calm n normal,then shun demanding for sex from her for month,but I wonder if you can be my kind of person n do that, this is the mistake women do n push their good men away to wrong hands, imagine telling a man that he has to start from morning trying to get a woman in the mood against night time!,that woman never jam!.
Politics › Re: Nigeria’s Daily Petrol Consumption Reduces By 33.58% - NMDPRA by Deepthoughts: 1:16pm On Oct 24, 2023
PARADIZEPRIEST:
President Tinubu is doing well,give him some credit and blame your past leaders from 1999 to 2022 who fraudulent kept exposing our crude for outside refinery angry
Do you even understand yourself?
Politics › Re: Tinubu: What Transpired In Supreme Court Today by Deepthoughts: 1:15pm On Oct 24, 2023
achorladey:
direct question with ifs ifs ifs. Looool. You know what direct question mean. Looool
The only question with "if" there is to clarify the proceeding question before it,so why do you keep hammering in the "if",answer the questions if you are sincere with yourself simple.
Politics › Re: Tinubu: What Transpired In Supreme Court Today by Deepthoughts: 5:57am On Oct 24, 2023
ElSudani:
How dumb can these people be? They are asking the court to dismiss Tinubu as a candidate. Yet, they want the same court to order a rerun between Tinubu and Atiku!
It's not being dumb,they are simply saying neither did Tinubu qualified for contest nor was he declared winner properly, it's like an athlete who has a doping case smuggling himself to participate in a championship n during the race instead of running across the finish line,he jumped across!,of course the opponent would raise objections both from the doping case n violation of the rules of the sport seeking redress based on the available alternatives.

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