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Raymondfaywole

Breaking of bread is the same as Lord's Supper

Why associating breaking of bread with communion? In biblical times, breaking bread was done at every meal and was an expression used for any meal. Matt. 15:36 is an example of Jesus giving thanks and breaking bread to feed the multitude.
Acts 27:34-36 is another example that shows that at every meal, they "give thanks" and "broke the bread". In this instance, it was clear that this was just a normal meal to gain strength for survival (Ship was going to sink).
Moreover, days end at sunset and the new day begins afterward (Gen. 1:5, Deut. 23:32). So what call saturday evening would actually be the start of the first day. That's why it's possible for Paul to continue his speech until midnight (Acts 20:7).
Every single scripture in the New Testament showing whatsoever in the Church are all on the Sabbath (Acts 13:14, 13:42-44, 17:1-2, 18:1). These are facts from the Bible and no interpretations needed. Make sure you go through each.

Raymondfayowole

The new covenant will be different in the sense that it will be written in their hearts, not like the old law that was written on stone tablets

Take note of the wordings of Jer. 31:31..."But this shall be the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS..."
The new covenant is not talking about a new set of law, it's the same law written on stone tablets that would be written in our hearts, not on stone.
The verse says "MY LAW", not "my new law".
It's different covenants, same law, different form by which it's written.

The Passover was a jewish feast observed annually

Yes, it's also a pointer to Christ as our passover Lamb.
The feast signifies salvation by substitution. It involves killing an unblemished male lamb.
It's not a coincidence that Jesus was killed on the passover day?
The passover and the likes are shadows of the sacrifice of Christ.

@Raymondfayowole
The first and second commandments mentioned by Jesus in Matt. 22:37-38 are actually not part of any law in the Bible, they are simply the summary of the 10 commandments, which is centered on loving God and your fellow man (Matt. 22:40)
*How do you show you love God?
1. By serving no other gods (Ex. 20:3)
2. By not making, serving or worshipping any graven image. (Ex. 20:4-5).
3. By not taking the name of the Lord God in vain. (Ex. 20:7).
4. By remembering the sabbath to keep it holy (Ex. 20:.
*How do you show you love your fellow man?
1. By honoring your parents. (Ex. 20:12).
2. By not committing murder (Ex. 20:13).
3. By not stealing (Ex. 20:15).
4. By not committing adultery (Ex. 20:14).
5. By not bearing false witness (Ex. 20:16).
6. By not coveting (Ex. 20:17).

If you break any of the 10 commandments, you're either committing sin against God or your fellow human.
That's why Jesus said in the verse 40 that all the law hangs on loving God and your fellow man.

@Kobojunkie

You're the one echoing the popular opinion about the ten commandments, and the fourth commandment in particular. And the last time I checked, Bible don't go with popular opinions.
In an attempt to sound convincing, you even called the Revelation of Jesus, which He gave to His servant John, a sequence of dreams, and not from Jesus. Is that what your Bible told you?
You even discredited the book of James which clearly encourage us to keep the whole law and went on to quote the ten commandments to clear your doubt about which law he was referring to.

@Raymondfayowole
Jesus fulfilled the ten commandments so now it's stopped existing and it's ok to kill, steal, worship idols, etc?
That's the implication.

Mark 1:14-15: Jesus was talking about the fulfillment of a prophecy, not the law.

Jer. 31:31: I'd advise you to read the verse 33. God was promising to write the law in people's heart, the same law you wished never existed.

Please, explain how the ten commandments is the shadow of anything? We all know the passover feast, for example, points to the sacrifice of Jesus.

Acts 20:7: This was after the days of unleavened bread (verse 6). Paul was preaching at a farewell meeting, not on sunday morning, but on saturday night (to the Jews, a day starts at sunset, so this was saturday night).
Acts 20:11... "When they had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of the day(sunday morning) , Paul departed".
I wonder how having meal and discussing with your brethen over night now a church service.

Kobojunkie:
The law was not nailed to the cross. Jesus Christ was so as to fulfill the requirement of the Old Covenant law on our behalf, freeing us from the obligation of the law in the process.

As Jesus Christ said, He did not come to abolish that law, as it remains an agreement between God and the people of Israel to this day.

Sin is the transgression of the Law, not the 10 commandments. Transgression of what law? The law that is over you. When a person who is in Nigeria breaks the law, the person is said to have broken the law as it applies in Nigeria, not the law in Ghana or in France. The law over Nigerians in Nigeria is the law of Nigeria. When the same people move to France, the law over them is no longer the law in Nigeria but the law in France.
When we shift from being under the Old Covenant, to being under the New Covenant, sin is defined as the transgression of the new Covenant and not the Old Covenant.
Jesus Christ did not observe the Sabbath in the way the Old Covenant teachers expected Him to. That is part reason the issue came up on several occasions.
His disciples went out sourcing for food too on the Sabbath and the Pharisees called Him to rebuke them for it. Jesus Christ then gave the example of David also doing similar with His men, then He, Jesus Christ, declared that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, also adding that He was Lord over the Sabbath.

The above are purely your personal opinions, not biblical.
Colossians 2:14 "blotting out the handwriting of ordinance....NAILING IT TO THE CROSS".
We all know that the ten commandments is the law of God. If you disagree, support your argument with a Bible verse, not your words.
Yes, Jesus didn't observe the Sabbath the Pharisee way, but the most important thing is that he did observe it the way he wants us to be observing it.
Should we starve or ignore accident victims on a Sabbath? No! That's the message Christ is passing here, not that we should stop observing the Sabbath. So don't get it twisted.

The tablet may have been then, but what we have today is the book of the law of Moses and the 10 commandments which were given as part of the Old covenant which came to the people through Moses.

Again, an opinion rid of Scriptural evidence. It's written that the 10 commandments was written on two tablets of stones by God's finger and here you are telling me otherwise. It was and will never be a part of any other law. Are you sure you're even a Christian? Even little Children knows this fact.

James is not Jesus Christ and certainly not the definition of the New Covenant that is the Jesus Christ. God sent His own word to tell us what to obey, it is His word that should matter more to you, since He, Jesus Christ is your only teacher.

And you are what? That I should believe your unbiblical claims against that of James, someone that has a direct contact with Jesus Christ?
Read James 2:8-11 and tell me the law he mentioned is not the ten commandments. Do well to explain why he's quote from the commandments.

The book of revelation is not the word of Jesus Christ but the recordings of John, the apostles, dream sequences. I suggest you do not take literally that which is sourced from a dream.

Well, I advise you to read Revelation 1:1-2 for your enlightenment.

Sancs:
You are so dumb. What I have achieved your entire generations cannot achieve 1/3 of it.

This is not about me.
So mention what you've done with your miserable life and let's put it side by side with that of those you called cavemen.

@Kobojunkie

Luke 16:17 "...it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one title of the law to fail"
The old covenant has to do with the sacrificial/ceremonial laws. It's the law that governs foods, meats, drinks, sacrifices and holidays. This is the law that was nailed to the cross.
Sin is the transgression of any of the ten commandments (1 John 3:4, James 2:10).
Didn't Jesus observe the sabbath? If He is our Teacher, are we not supposed to follow his steps?
He only said it's ok to do good and save lives on the sabath if the need arise(Mark 3:4). He never changed or abolish the law.
More so, the 10 commandments not part of any other law and wasn't written by Moses.
It was written on stone by God's finger (Ex. 31:18).
It's different from that written by Moses (Deut. 31:9).
James 2:11 quotes parts of the 10 commandments verbatim so you should have no doubt which law been referred to.
And yes, there's faith of Jesus. I didn't write the verse in Rev. 14:12.
Ensure you read the verses I provided

Sancs:
You so called Christian are the ones always insulting when anyone who says something which is true but you have been brainwashed from Child birth so no surprise there.You said I can't be a Programmer! Dude you don't even know if i am.Any human can be a programmer if he studies it. So who's the slowpoke now.

Apart from the fact that these people you called cavemen are religious people, they were great and intelligent men of their times. Only an slowpoke would refer to them as cavemen.
Every verse of the Bible is a masterpiece. I'm sure you have not written a 2-page article in your entire life.
I'd rather be brainwashed than be an half-wit like you.
You have not done anything with your life that can be remotetly said to be as great as what these men had done, yet you're not ashamed to call them
derogatory names?

Is my Spelling of Cavemen not correct...?

Go back to your mentions and see your mess. You wrote cavemens. I guess that's a good english to you.

Sancs:
They are cavemens because they were not educated or scientist or programmers. All they did were to make up a mythical figure.

Yen yen yen! What a dull fellow.
Moses led hundreds of thousands of people for decades.
David, the psalmist, was a king, and a musician with over a hundred songs to his credit.
Solomon was a king and was known as a very wiseman.
Daniel was a prime minister in Babylon (the world power of the golden age).
Paul could speak, read and write in many languages. Just to mention a few of them. These are the people, you, a half-witted fellow, are calling cavemen?
They were not educated and they could read and write? You don't even know the meaning of education. Can I blame you? You can't even write cavemen correctly.
Dream all you can, but you can't come close to what these "cavemen" achieved thousands of years ago, in ten lifetimes.
It's obvious you're not educated, so you can't be a scientist or a programmer. That makes you a caveman.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was indeed referring to the Old covenant Sabbath laws when He declared Himself Lord of the Sabbath...

Jesus didn't come to give us new commandments, He came to teach us to keep the 10 commandments. How best can you teach someone if not by doing? Is it against the law to do good or save lives on sabbath (Mark 3:4)? He's telling us no!
Matt. 5:17 doesn't imply you have the freedom to break any part of the law, in fact, Matt. 5:19 is a warning to that effect. Keep the sabbath, but with human face. That's what Jesus taught and practiced.

Jesus Christ's New Covenant which He offers to those who are weary and heavy laden...

Well, the Ten commandments was never referred to as law of sin anywhere in the Bible. It's the law of liberty (James 2:12), it's perfect (James 1:25) and it's good (Romans 7:12).
You have to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus to not receive the mark (Rev.14:12)
Moral law is not the same as ceremonial law

Raymondfayowole:
Jesus Christ fulfilled the law of sabbath.

Matt. 5:17 says that He's come, not to abolish the law and the Prophets, but to fulfill it. Some versions rightly used "accomplish their purpose (NLT)", "give them their full meaning (CEV)" etc instead of fulfilled. And I don't see how fulfilling something means it's stopped. Even Jesus wasn't talking about sabbath categorically here, he was referring to the whole Decagogue, so get your facts right.

Acts 20:7, that's the first reference to worship on a Sunday

This particular event took place on a saturday evening. Sabbath (friday sundown-saturday sundown) had just ended. Upon the 1st day (saturday, after sundown), the disciples came together to break bread (just dinner) and Paul was preaching to them until midnight (this is only because he was travelling the next morning, which is a sunday). How's a saturday evening preaching/dinner now a sunday service?
Technically, it wasn't even sunday yet.

@wunmi590

Jesus neither abolish the sabbath (Matt. 16:17), nor did Paul preach against it.
In fact, it's on record that Paul was an habitual sabbath keeper.
At Antioch, in a meeting in the Synagogue on a sabbath day, the Gentiles entreated Paul that he should preach to them on the next sabbath (Acts 13:42). If sunday was a day kept by the Church at that time, why didn't Paul invite them to his sunday service? Instead, they had to wait until the next sabbath to hear God's word.
Acts 18:4 "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and Greeks.
In this particular case at corinth, it was over a period of 18 month (Acts 18:11).
If we're talking laws. There are the Ten commandments, and there are the ceremonial laws.
=>Ten commandments
*It's written on stones and placed inside the Ark(Ex. 31:18, 40:20).
*Breaking the law is sin (I John 3:4).
*We should keep the whole law (James 2:12)
=>Ceremonial laws
*Written in a book by Moses(Ex 24:3,7)
*Placed outside the ark (Deut. 31:26)

Sancs:
You people have to start taking control of your lives instead on replying on mythical figures or Jesus Christ which was all made up. How can you still believe something people wrote. People that weren't even educated, those cavemens

"cavemens"? Just imagine an illiterate calling Writers of the Bible "cavemens". Intellectually, you are below the feet of the least among these men.
Why is it that every dick, tom and harry who claim to be atheists always want to think they're smart?
You should go back to Elementary School.

UyaiIncomparabl:
See, unbeliever, the Armageddon will come after the Rapture, then Satan and his fellow Beasts will take over the World's Government. There shall be one World Order and the rest unraptured people who remain on the earth will be forced to either accept the mark or not be able to purchase nor sell without this mark (could be a chip, I don't know). At least, that's what my Bible tells me.

What would you do? I want to know.

The great tribulation comes before the second coming of Christ. Matt. 24:29-31.
Verse 37 of this same chapter also says the second coming of Christ would be like in the days of Noah. So if consider what happened in the days of Noah, we shouldn't expect to see any sinner alive after this time. So the second coming of Christ is the end of time, as we know it.

I hope the Army is not didn't use the NYSC Orientation camp at Mallam Sidi, abi which one is DRR camp again?

Austineva:
That community must be pussy community. How can a community where men live allow woman become their traditional ruler. Who can help me explain this

It's the tradition in some parts of Yorubaland (may be all) for a female (where I come from, it's the first Daughter of the just deceased Monarch) to stand in as Regent, before a substantive Monarch is selected.

Rhesusmonkey:
Ok, but I am interested in knowing if she is still single and searching, asking for my neighbor.

But on a side note, the gods must be confused, how will they allow a human who stoops to urinate become a traditional ruler.

She's a Regent. It's common in Yorubaland.

Wolgrace:
Okay. Name of the institution and address please?

Decagon. It's at Tradition Building, Igbo-Efon Round-about, Lekki-Epe Expressway, Lekki.
I'm not certain how bad this Coro. Pandemic has disrupted their Cycle, but normally, registration for a new should be on by now. You can visit their website to be sure. The registration and the first assessment are done online. The technical assessment is done on site.

Wolgrace:
Forget that thing.. That's how someone recommended to NiiT, Ibadan too, where I wasted my money and time studying OCA and OCP with no tangible practical aspects. Quack scammers

Just try them and thank me later. Practical will tire you. You have to be a fast learner to cope.
More importantly, you'll spend at least, #3.6m total for the training(it's just six months). No money? No problem. You'll need 3 rich Guarantors to stand for you. You can pay back in instalments from your salary.

VillageBus:
her 3rd name is oziofu, i had a classmate with same name from edo

The last name, Mayaki is a northern name. Her mother might be a southerner, no doubt. Even at that, Oziofu is not an Edo name. It's Igboid.

Wolgrace:
Congrats girl! Good environments to achieve greatness.

NIIT, Festac messed up with my money, time, passion, and energy.. Quack place!!

No better coding, programming, and soft building institution for naija at all..

Try Decagon if you know you're up to the task.

anayolity:
Oluwa oooh .... and me I dey busy dey battle with html and css for almost 1 year now

Are you for real?
How long will it now take you to learn JS or Java? Forever?
HTML and CSS shouldn't take any serious learner more than a month if you study 2 hours a day.

Did the Nigerian Airforce sponsor her to flight College? Otherwise, I can't imagine myself wasting my flight education in the Nigerian military.
Rest in peace girl.

Is it even constitutional for the Chief of Staff to the President to fire a Managing Director of a government agency?

I started my cashew plantation with N100,000 (I didn't buy the land) at a time I was earning N12,000 monthly. You're already thinking I saved that sum? My Mom gave it to me.
The first good job I got, it was my sister who made the connection. I was called one friday afternoon to show up for an urgent interview. I was not at home, so I was not properly dressed. I attended their AGM the next day (na so work start).
Without money and or people to support you, the best you can have are ideas. Even skills, you can't acquire for free. I needed several millions of naira to be trained a Software Engineer (I know because I've been through it). You need money to become a chartered Accountant.
We all need helpers.
Everyone who got where they are today, got there through someone, not necessarily what they know. That's why you can see a 3rd Class graduate doing better than a 1st Class counterpart.
It's true that if you're asked if you can do a thing, never say no. My Uni. Education enables me to learn new things.

titusmichael27:
That's wonderful. i'm going to use the same verse of the scripture(gen. 2-7) to offer you the truth. upon all the people that comments on this subject you seem to be picked out for this, nevertheless the Holy spirit will guide you to all truth. And the Gods formed man from the dust of the ground, and took his spirit( that is, the man's spirit), and put it into him; and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul. close quote. The breath of life is the strength to live, and only God can give you that, but the spirit is eternal, the real you. The spirit (you) existed before the creation. like jerem 1:5

American King James Version
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God formed man, gave him the breath of life, and he became a living soul/being.
There's no mention of a separate spirit here. That's why, we say a person breaths his last breath at death. What happens when we breath our last breath? The breath returns to the Giver (our breath is our life, without which any other thing is useless) and the body returns to dust from whence it was taken. Nothing else happens. No eternal spirit here. We are mortals, we stop existing when we die.
It's on the last day that the righteous gain everlasting life.

titusmichael27:
yea you're right. i can't help but say that some seem to see as complicated issue so they do their best to avoid it. what are your real stands on this subject?

I believe humans are made up of dust (body) and the breath of God (spirit or whatever). When we die, the spirit returns to God that gave it and the Body return to dust. We sleep in the dust until the second coming of Christ. Nothing survives the body after death (most people believe otherwise)
That's my stand on this subject.

titusmichael27:
First of all i hope you're not seeing this as an argument. So that the spirit can flow. the spirit of the Lord does not like contention. i'm going to share with you things that i realise from my personal study. The bible that you just quote from has about thirteen missing verses from the original bible that i personally discovered.

Its not an argument. It's a discussion.
The issue of body, spirit and soul is an important concept Christians must understand.
I think that's clear enough in Genesis 2:7.

titusmichael27:
Isaiah 42:5 Thus said God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: (close quote) this tells you that the breath is different from the spirit. May be you should consider calling God breath cos john said he's a spirit.

NIV ---This is what God the Lord says —the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it.
God gives His breath to man, He gives His spirit, or He gives life.
If you interchange the Hebrew word for breath here (neshamah) and spirit (ruach), they mean the same thing. The former means gasp/breath, and the latter translated as breath/wind/air/spirit. That's why it's safe for NIV to refer to "spirit" simply as life in their own translation.
They are different phrases that means essentially the same thing.

titusmichael27:
The question is this, did the Bible say that the breath of life will return to God? which one did the bible mention spirit or the breath of life?

Job 27:3,4(NKJV) ...'As long as my breath is in me, And the breath of God in my nostrils, My lips will not speak wickedness, Nor my tongue utter deceit.

As we all know, it's the breath of life that was breathed into man's nostril that made him a living soul. Job is confirming it here. And as far as I know, the Ecclesiastes 27:3 is referring to the breath of God. That was the only thing on record that was given by God to man at creation.
The it's the same Hebrew word Ruach translated into English differently.
The breath of life and the spirit that leaves man and returns to God at death are the same.
The Bible is clear about this. It is the breath of God that serves as animator. Once you lose your breath, you're literally dead and the body will ultimately return to dust. This is the simple truth as echoed by the Bible.

titusmichael27:
"soul" is used in various ways, with diverse connotations found throughout the scriptures and in other Church writings. However, the word also has a precise definition given in latter-day revelation: the soul is the united entity of the spirit with the physical body (D&C 88:15-16 ). This concept is enhanced by an understanding of (1) the creation of humankind as a uniting of the spirit body and the physical body (Gen. 2:7)..... Points of correction; 1 conscience has nothing to do with soul or spirit. 2 spirit is not a force and for the purpose of understanding, there is a different between the breath of life and the spirit. isaiah 42:5.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 ...'Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.
You're in direct contrast to the above verse which clearly states that the breath of life given to man by God at creation is the spirit that returns to God when man dies.
The original book uses the same word for breath and spirit. For the most part, spirit means breath, or air wherever it appears in the Bible. I'm not taking about the English translations here.