₦airaland Forum

abbasajao:
This not true bro

I didn't want to overestimate it.

Bungalow:
Trash trash trash

That's the bitter truth.
What's going on in Kwara has nothing to do with religion. I'm from Kwara and a Christian. I registered to vote in Ilorin until I changed location last year. If I was in Ilorin, I would have voted for Atiku, but against Saraki because we need a change in Kwara.

Bungalow:
We are talking Kwara in general . Ogbeni .
Kwara Christians is less than 25%

I'm from Kwara, the Muslim-Christian population is nothing less than 60-40

Buharifanatic:
cause his village people know him more than other towns

Abeg, let's hear word!
I hate people who can't rise above petty sentiments

Bungalow:
You be sugomu .
How many Christians are in kwara?
You’ve confirmed sugomu

Omu Aran, Oyedepo hometown is dominantly Christian. How come they voted for APC. Playing religious card is pathetic.

The results are still coming in. It's too early to celebrate. I'd love Kwara to get of Saraki grips though.

Right from the result sheet:
Niger State, Suleja Local Government, Maje North Ward, Kwamba Primary School: Code: 26-23-09-005

Presidential
APC 280
PDP 297

Senatorial
APC 297
PDP 294

House of Reps
APC 277
PDP 257

Atiku is pulling a surprise in Niger.
From the few PU I've gone to, the results are very close. I wasn't expecting Atiku to win any PU here considering the fact that Buhari always win the state even before 2015.
It's funny how PDP victory in a particular PU cancelled out that of APC just opposite.

Even though I don't like Buhari and APC, I would have voted against Saraki if I was in Ilorin

NgeneUkwenu:
You wish Be bold to share the result sheet here by 3pm

I'm home already.

NgeneUkwenu:
Feelings: Buhari or Atiku?

Buhari can't win this PU.

I'm impressed by voters' turn out.
Reporting from Suleja

He cares enough to pilot the country better than Buhari. I'm voting him for President this weekend, that is, if the election will hold.

@MuttleyLaff, sorry for misquoting you.
As for the texts in Genesis 6, I think it's plain as it comes. No hidden meaning.

Seandisputed:
Did you read the guy who quoted me before your reply?

What is your perspective on his submission.

It's just his personal opinion. There's no judgement taking place anywhere at the moment. The dead (righteous or not) are sleeping.
The great white throne judgement is the only judgement I know that will take place.
God is a God of justice. The last day judgement is meant to expose the evil deeds of the damned, and it won't be shrouded in secrecy, which he is suggesting.

TATIME:
That's where discernment comes in my friend.
Jesus said "give Caesar's things to Ceasar,and God's things to God" Ceasar is the superior authority so whatever they demands as long as it stands clear not colliding with the laws of Jehovah we will obey them.
The Sabbath was NEVER instituted from the beginning so Jesus made it clear that it was given for men to make use of it and NOT for the Sabbath to make use of man! Mark 2:27
So since we've understood the purpose of Sabbath
*make time for spiritual matters.
*make time for rest
We're no under compulsion to say it must be so and so day,therefore if the authorities says the day i use for sacred services should be used for work,i'm sure they can't make a law that there shouldn't be REST so i'll make use of such a day for my sacred services to my God. Don't worry yourself about our own Jehovah my friend because we understand HIM and HE also understands our limitations. Psalms 103:13,14
Killing means judging if someone is fit for life or not so we must not JUDGE as in terminate life.
National anthem is swearing ones faith to a particular authority whereas our whole soul service should be for our God,so we can't do that because doing so will mean giving all my soul and strength and mind to a particular worldly government in some location. No my friend our obedience to them is relative NOT whole soul,whoever mount that position we will obey since our own government is from heaven! For better understanding of this aspect,imagine a thief ordering you to sit,stand or move. Surely you will continue to obey at gunpoint but when another superior authority with weapons starts giving orders,you will change and start obeying the SUPERIOR. That is the condition we finds ourselves until God's kingdom comes to wipe them all away! Daniel 2:44

This is your own personal opinion, not that of God or what the Bible says. You said the Sabbath was not instituted from the beginning, so which day exactly did God set apart for rest after creation? I suppose you know the answer.
Sabbath is made for man, yes, but Jesus was not telling you to break it at will. If you read that part in context, you'll understand why he said that. Why would you refuse to save a life on Sabbath just because you're keeping it? Doing things that can not wait till the next day is not breaking the Sabbath (of course, going shopping and the sort is not of them).
The Sabbath law is a part of the ten commandments, except you're ready to clean out the fourth commandment (unfortunately, they're all written on stone), you're committing a sin by breaking it. You're not serving another God, you don't kill, you don't steal, yet trying to wish away a part of the same law not comfortable for you? Sorry, it's not possible.
It's OK if earthly authorities are the ones you rely upon to decide your day off. As for me and my family, Sabbath is it. Peace.

pek:
so if "INEC says otherwise" is more than what is already in the constitution and a bye law of INEC?

Since when has APC started obeying laws and order. Until says otherwise, all campaigns are closed.

pek:
campaign ends 24 hours before an election. If the election is on the 23rd, it simply means campaign stops on Friday. That's the law.

And if INEC says otherwise?

Against INEC directives right?
I hope APC won't cry foul if INEC decides to hand them a heavy sanction?

Seandisputed:
"It is appointed for man to die once, and after this, judgement"
How do you explain this?

Whether it's a thousand years before the coming of Christ, it's a fact that judgement comes after death.
We die once, and after this (not immediately after this), judgement.
It's written all over the Bible that the dead are sleeping, so I wouldn't where we are get this idea of (immortal soul or spirit that survives the body after death) or judgement immediately after death. If all men are judged immediately after death, what then is the essence of the great white throne judgement at the last day?

TATIME:
God's word says "be obedient to the superior authorities" Romans 13:1
So if they say Wednesday is the day we're allowed to go for our sacred services,it's OK! All we must do is render sacred services to our God,the particular day or venue is NO MORE important. John 4:21-24

Not when it runs contrary to the law of God.
Would you go to war if the "superior authorities" told you to?
You don't even say the national anthem or the pledge. Since when is earthly authority having upper hand in deciding what you do in JW?
There are hundreds of denominations going back to the right ways of worshipping on the Sabbath as it should be.
The moment the global government pass a law to observe a rest day different from what God directed in his commandments (they're already working towards it with all the noise about global warming) , know it's the end.
There's no way you're going to rationalize the breaking of the Sabbath. God never sanctified or blessed any other day for us to spend time with him. Check from Genesis to Revelation, you won't find any verse to support your view.
By the way, JW could gain access to me because I'm a Sabbath keeper, otherwise I would be in Church most times they come knocking on my gate on Sundays.

TATIME:
True Christians aren't bothered about Saturdays anymore since we're no more under obligation to keep the Sabbath! Colossians 2:16
Ceasar {Roman Emperor} decreed that Sunday should be taken for all sacred services{Romans 13:1} and since we're not tied to any particular day,it's no problem for true Christians as long as we'll have TIME for sacred services! Ecclesiastes 3:1 Moreover our worship is to preach and teach people about God's Kingdom,so if such decree will make us found people to preach to IT'S JUST OK!

Colossians 2:16 is talking about meat, drinks and ordinance. It has nothing to do with Sabbath of the Lord. The Sabbath days (notice the plural) refers to other Jewish holidays (yom Kippie, pass over, etc?) not the weekly Sabbath.
It's all about who you chose to obey, God, or a pagan emperor.
It's not use teaching people who are not obeying God's law.

@MuttleyLaff, Jesus never teaches the doctrine of immortal soul, neither did he talk about man being conscious spiritually after death. You'll know this if you read the verse where he raised Lazarus from the dead :

John 11:11-14 ...'These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.'

So Jesus spoke of death as sleeping. Not about going to heaven or hell when we die, but sleeping. And until when do we sleep in the grave?
Martha knew the answer ...
John 11:23-24 ...'Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.' ...
You see Martha knew that Lazarus would rise again at the resurrection, which would be Jesus' second coming, but as we know, Jesus decided to resurrect Lazarus there and then.

It's as simple as ABC.

TATIME:
It's OK,you can continue to keep your Sabbath as you have believed but as for over 8,000,000 JWs across the globe,our resolve is UNDERSTANDING the principles that anyday could be chosen for rest and anyday could be chosen for our sacred services to our God depending on individual circumstances! Jesus and Paul goes to the Temple during Sabbaths because that's the ONLY day those Jews were taught to avail themselves for sacred services. JWs also understood this principle that's why people are confused about our preaching and teaching program because they don't know that each JW has a day he/she has dedicated for the preaching work,moreover in different communities we have known the times our neighbours are available at home! God bless you.

Jesus and Paul didn't keep the Sabbath because of the Jews, it's because it's the law of God. Check the verse I gave you about Paul keeping the Sabbath, he was with gentiles. On an occasion where he gave a sermon, they beseeched him to preach it again the next Sabbath. If it's their custom to worship on Sunday, they could have just tell him to preach it again the next day.
Sunday worship is a creation of the Roman Catholic. And as the Bible Antichrist (which JW is aware of) they've boasted of changing the laws of God by granting rest to man, not on the day designated by the Creator, but a different day instituted by them. Of all thing, I wonder how JW had to inherit a major doctrine of the Catholic, which is Sunday worship.
Consider the bolded parts of the book of Daniel and a quote from the Romantic Catholic Church and tell me Sabbath keeping is not important :
Daniel 7:25-He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;
and they shall be given into his hand
for ba time, times, and half a time.

The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed...the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority." (Canon and Tradition, p. 263)

TATIME:
This is why all those religious groups failed to meet up with the high regard all of them are having for Jehovah's Witnesses!
There were 600 laws in total, God wrote TEN on stone tablets so that Israelites could SEE and believe that truly it is that same God{who brought them out of Egypt} that gave Moses all those laws to pass onto them.
The LAW COVENANT of God was between HIM and the nation of Israel{ONLY},Moses is the MEDIATOR of this covenant.
So when Jesus instituted Christianity the laws were not to continue because another COVENANT was established and Jesus is the MEDIATOR.
That's why the Christians kept asking Jesus questions because Jesus refused to keep the Sabbath law claiming He is the "Lord of Sabbath"! Mark 2:28
Later Christians living in Galatia were trying to keep part of those laws so Paul made it clear to them that {they were baptised as Christians NOT on the bases of the laws but on the bases of faith in Christ Jesus}. Galatians 3:1-5
Paul later concluded that those laws served as a guardian leading the Jews to faith in Jesus but since faith has arrived Christians are NO LONGER UNDER A GUARDIAN! Galatians 3:23-28
Now take note that when Jesus met Paul and appointed him as an Apostle,Jesus said Paul will serve as the Apostle of the nations{none Israelites including you and i} Act 9:15 compared to Romans 1:5
So Christians have NO business with any of those laws given to the Israelites my friend,whenever Christians are talking about God's commandment they are referring to Jesus' THOUGHTS,WORDS and ACTIONS which is vital for our salvation NOT any part of the old covenant laws! Hebrew 9:15 Whoever can master these three things automatically qualifies for everlasting life. John 3:16-18 compared to 1Corinthians 2:16
All these you can NEVER find any religious group that can get the understanding of the scriptures to the level of Jehovah's Witnesses because "we're associating based on the promises of the new covenant group" and nobody is given the spirit of understanding apart from these group! Zechariah 8:23
Even Daniel{one of God's prophet of old} asked God for the understanding of these sacred secrets regarding this end time but God told Daniel "go and rest till you're resurrected to come and have your own portion,because some will be given the understanding and some will NEVER understand" Daniel 12:8-10
So what will cause those ones NEVER to understand? It's simply because they'll refuse to learn from the CHOSEN ones whom Jesus is using in this end time!

You're not getting it, are you? The 10 commandments is not a part of the law you're talking about here. And Jesus ever kept the Sabbath. Check your Bible, he's always in the temple on the Sabbath. Even Paul and all the Apostles kept it.
It's only the Pharisees that accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath on the ground that he heals people on the day. On one of the occasions, he exposed their hypocrisy by telling them that none of them would would leave their Ox in the ditch on the Sabbath, but they wanted him not to heal a descendant of Abraham on the Sabbath.
Please take your time to read Acts 18:4, 11. Apostle Paul did always kept the Sabbath.
The fact that it's a part of the law that was written on stone and kept inside the ark of covenant is a testimony to its eternal relevance. The ceremonial laws are the only ones meant for the Jews and it's the only one that Jesus has come to abolish, not the moral law.
Revelation 11:19 says the heavenly temple was opened and the ark of covenant appeared in it. What exactly is inside this ark? It's only just the tablets containing the moral laws of God of which the Sabbath is an important part of it. It's a one law that tells us which God we're serving and no doubt, will determine our salvation in the end of days.

I'm not seeing a credible election being conducted, even with the postponement.

Hermes019:
Ok,I wouldn't endulge u further since its not exactly the purpose of the thread, but it was a pleasure.I wonder what your fellow christians(non Jehovah witnesses to be specific) would make of ur position

Throughout the ages, it's only the few that believe the truth. Days of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah, just mention it. The word of God will be the testimony, not what we were told.

TATIME:
Well as a former Muslim i don't have a problem with strong convictions even if it means loosing my PRESENT life for what i believe! Daniel 3:16-18,Matthew 16:25
So the issue of blood transfusion is as dead as anything breathless before me.
Saturday Sabbath is another issue that has no hold on me since i don't worship in line with the Mosaic laws,i'm now a Christian and Christ is my law. Romans 10:1-4
Therefore i can only be concerned with Sabbath if Jesus is held back from doing what supposed to be done on the Sabbath{Saturday}. Luke 6:9
Those laws were given to the ancient Israelites to prepare their minds for things to come. Hebrew 10:1
For instance at Exodus 23:12 God gave us the reason for that law "so that you can set aside a day for your slaves and animals of burden". Of course some people won't set any day for worship talkless a day for their slaves to rest if God did not give such law! Today even the human laws has decreed that one day{Sunday} should be for rest. Romans 2:14
We're not under those laws because we became worshipers of Jehovah{the God of Israel} not through the law covenant but by faith in Christ Jesus who is the mediator of ANOTHER covenant! Jeremiah 31:31-34
Continue studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses,don't forget that you can't QUICKLY and fully grasp every principle in God's word{John 16:12} that's where faith,endurance and hope in all things comes in{1 Corinthians 13:6,7} since you've IDENTIFIED the one and only organization teaching the TRUTH as it's clearly stated in God's word!
You will only continue to stumble on falsehood upon falsehood if you desert JWs simply because of few things that's not clear to you. My advice to you is to behave like the first century 12 followers of Jesus who stick to Him as they're sure that it's ONLY Him that's teaching the TRUTH,though majority deserted Him because He said some things that doesn't go well with them! John 6:64-69
So my friend i'm not supposed to be the one telling you all these considering my background as a Muslim but i've learnt to ENDURE whatever comes my way for the sake of TRUTH. God bless you!

Christians are not excused from keeping the Sabbath. In fact, it's what will set true believers of Christ apart when the time comes.
It's very important to draw a line between the mosaic law and the ten commandments here. Don't forget the Sabbath law (4th commandment) was written on stone, just like the other nine, so you can't say you're keeping the 9 and say this one is not important. It's part of the moral law of God, not a ceremonial law. It's part of the law that points us to sin.
It's a part of the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25)
Paul delighted in this law (Roman 7:22, 7:7).
The ten commandments (Deut. 10:5, Exo. 40:20) is different from ceremonial laws (Deut. 31:26).
So let's not mix the two together.
While the ten commandments defines sin, the ceremonial laws are remedies for breaking any of the ten commandments. But as Christians, we are no longer under the bondage of the ceremonial laws. Jesus only is the remedy of sin. This was what Paul emphasized.
Even Jesus, our example and mentor, kept the Sabbath and taught us the right way to keep the holy day. People said he broke the Sabbath, but no, he was telling us the best way of keeping it. Nothing wrong in helping people on the Sabbath if we have to.
Interestingly, the book of Revelation told us that people who didn't receive the mark of the beast have something in common. What is it? They keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Rev. 14:12).
So being a true Christian involves keeping God's commandments and the faith of Jesus.
"Remember ye to keep the Sabbath holy".
That was a reminder for all believers, not just the Jews.

Hermes019:
Wow,I like your view I must say but again thus is ur own interpretation, I'm sure another Christian would Give a different interpretation of that passage and I don't really think yours is most accurate.
What sayeth thou about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man in the bible,the rich man was in hell fire burning,if a sinner's soul simply perishes as you said,doesn't that pass a message different from that parable ?

Well, we can only take the parable for what it is, a parable, and not literally.
Remember that Lazarus was carried bodily to heaven, while the rich was buried in his grave?
How can they ever communicate in such circumstance?
Just as Abel's blood crying from the ground can not be taken literally, this one should not be.
The rich man, in my opinion, is a symbolic representation of Jews (with spiritual wealth), while the poor Lazarus is the gentiles (being referred to as dogs by the Jews).
While the Jews rejected the message of salvation in Jesus, the gentiles embraced it. And later in that same verse, Jesus said, even if Lazarus was raised from the dead, the Jews (richman's brethren) would believe. Just about a week later after Jesus said the parable, he raised a real life Lazarus from the dead, but instead of the Jews to believe and accept the message of the Messiah, they even tried to kill risen Lazarus. By Jews here, I'm referring largely to the Pharisees who believe that merely being an offspring of Abraham is enough guarantee of salvation (and surely, only these set of people would say "Father Abraham" in prayer)
It's still a fact that "the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life.” (Romans 6:23). Believing sinners will be tormented in hell for eternity is just believing they also will have everlasting life. The Bible only told us of death, destruction of sinners.

TATIME:
Well i can beat my chest a thousand times that there is no other source of TRUE faith except Jehovah's Witnesses. Of course you did not just wake up one day and started receiving a totally different thought from all the existing religious groups around you if not somebody from somewhere hint you! Please don't come here to play another Daddy Freeze because i am sure the guy has read a lot of publications of the Watchtower!

I'm not a Daddy Freeze, and of course, I agree with almost all JW teachings (about hell, trinity, etc). But then, this is the Bible truth. It's written all over it. How the the most well known verse in the Bible talk about sinners perishing and we teaching eternal torment? Is it that we don't understand common English or what?
I must confess I enjoy the company of JWs and watchtower publications, but I disagree with them on issues bordering on blood transfusions.

TATIME:
Well i can beat my chest a thousand times that there is no other source of TRUE faith except Jehovah's Witnesses. Of course you did not just wake up one day and started receiving a totally different thought from all the existing religious groups around you if not somebody from somewhere hint you! Please don't come here to play another Daddy Freeze because i am sure the guy has read a lot of publications of the Watchtower!

I'm not a Daddy Freeze, and of course, I agree with almost all JW teachings (about hell, trinity, etc). But then, this is the Bible truth. It's written all over it. How the the most well known verse in the Bible talk about sinners perishing and we teaching eternal torment? Is it that we don't understand common English or what?
I must confess I enjoy the company of JWs and watchtower publications, but I disagree with them on issues bordering on blood transfusion.
I'd like to know what JW teaches on Saturday Sabbath.

Hermes019:
OK,what about the passage Jesus said it is better to enter life handicapped than to enter hell with both hands,were the fire never quenches and the worms never ceases
What does that mean ?

If the worms that infest a dead body are not killed, the rotting flesh will be consumed until none remains. Similarly, any fire which is not quenched will last only as long as there is fuel to keep it burning and then go out.
In essence, when a person does not repent of sin, the effect is permanent—eternal oblivion!
Jesus was quoting Isaiah 66:24 verbatim and it is interesting to know that the verse he was quoting is talking about worms feeding on dead bodies, so when he said their worms shall not die (not shall never die), he's talking about worms feasting on the damned uninterrupted. And believe me, this can only go on until the dead bodies are fully consumed.
The fire that never quenches? In Jeremiah 17:27, God had threatened Jerusalem, that if they refused to hallow the Sabbath, God’s holy day, God’s judgments would be poured upon it. that is the same wording as used to describe hell in Isaiah 66:24; Mark 9:42-48.
The place where Jesus used as an example of hell (Gehenna) is not a place torment, but a place where everything thrown into it is meant to be destroyed. Nobody attempted to quench the fire there. The fire burns undisturbed, and just as the original is no more burning till date, the lake of fire will not burn forever, but it will burn long enough to destroy the sinners and the effect of it shall be eternal (everlasting punishment)