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I thought Taraba state already rejected this Ruga nonsense?

I lost someone very close to me to this Fulani menace just yesterday in that God forsaken Ekiti state.

The man I'm talking it's this same late E.S. Ilori.

shadeyinka:
You don't have a iota of right to demand for my answer.
BTW
After you have answered all my questions you dodged I could oblige you.
Rev 2:11:
"He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death."


On a second thought:
The same reason why didn't fire kill Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?

Go back and answer all my questions!

The beast is not a person, it's a Kingdom/City/Apostate church sort of. This is very clear from the Book itself

shadeyinka:
We know that the book of Revelation is partly literal and partly symbolic. If you claim a part is literal it should be justified, if symbolic, it should also be justified and if a mixture, it should be justified.

Hence,
If the souls in question are symbolic, apply it to answer:

Is 100% symbolic, would you please explain the symbolic meaning of
1. Those who were slain?
2. What it meant by "they cried with a loud voice"?
3. Told to rest a little while?
4. Given white robes?
5. The fellow brothers that should be killed on the earth?
6. Those who dwell on the earth.

What difference would it have made if the verse says their blood cries out of the ground like that of Abel?
1. Abel was slain by his brother just as these souls were slain for bearing testimonies of Christ. As far as this verse is concerned, the Altar under where these souls are crying out to God could most probably be earth. Isn't that where they sacrificed (killed) for the testimony they bear in the first place?
If you look closely, you'll see that John said "the altar" as if he expects the reader to know already. He mentioned any heavenly altar previously or anything alludes to the fact that this altar is before the throne of God.
Unless you can prove otherwise, these crying souls are not disembodied souls but, like the blood of Abel crying from the ground from where he was slain, they're also the blood of men crying for justice.
The use of "the Altar" is not unexpected since these people lost their lives in sacrifice for their testimonies. Everything is pointing to the earth, not heaven.

2. A cry for justice, just same way the blood of Abel cried out to God. Can a blood literally cry? No. Can a dead soul/man literally cry? No.

3. They're resting/sleeping right? Can something that's resting even cry in the first place? It doesn't make sense taking it literally.
These are people who have been killed for bearing the testimony of Jesus. They can't be avenged yet until the appointed time. God is aware of their labor and sufferings and He's planned to do justice at the appointed time until their fellow servants that should be killed be fulfilled.
Chapter 7:9 talks about a great multitude standing before the throne clothed with white robes. Who are they and where are they from?
Verse 14 says they're those that came out of the great tribulation.
What happened in the great tribulation? Persecution of true believers. These are all those that died for the testimonies of Christ.
These are real resurrected people and the verse specifically stated that they're before the throne of God.

Job doesn't seem to agree with that!
Job is saying death is permanent. He doesn't even give any hope of Resurection.
What is the lesson here:
Don't build Doctrine through a single text of the OLD testament for you will arrive at a wrong interpretation just like

Eccl 9:5:
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Even Exclusive 9:5 seem to preclude the possibility of any Resurection of the dead.

You're so funny
Can't you see you're actually the one misquoting the Bible here?
Verse 12 of that Job 14 says that man lies down and rises not till the heavens be no more?
Please when again will the heaven be no more?
Is it at the last days?
So if man dies and remains in the dust till heaven be no more, how can you be suggesting a disembodied soul living again after death?
The thirteenth verse is talking about hiding in the grave until God's wrath be past? When will God's wrath be past? The rest of the verse says "that thou would appoint me a set time, and remember me".
You can see Job here envisaging an appointed time when God will remember His own.
The verse 14 opens with a question that's expecting an affirmative answer. Earlier in verse 7, Job was talking about a tree that was cut down and how it would sprout again. "till my change come" in verse 14 is actually a reference to that verse and it's a pointer to a future of resurrection.
The fifteenth verse talks about a call and an answer.
You should have known who will make this call and those that will answer the call by now.
You even said there was no knowledge of resurrection in the old testament until Jesus. [b]Have you ever read Daniel 12:2? Jesus was quoting from this verse verbatim in John 5:28.
The book of Daniel says "them that sleep in the dust" while Jesus, in the book of John says "all that are in the grave".
What other prove do you need that the dead are actually just where they were buried until the call?
Do you wake/resurrect people who are not actually sleeping/dead?

Of course death is a Disconnection/Separation NOT a termination/annihilation. That is why the word Disconnection/Separation can be used within the context of every form of death in the Scriptures and still make sense.

Spiritual death doesn't mean the spirit of man become DEAD (terminated/annihilated) but DISCONNECTED/SEPARATED from God because of SIN


You are still looking at death from the point of view of termination/annihilation and not Disconnection.

The purpose of Resurection is to return man to the state in which he was created: a glorified physical being not simply a spirit being.

The evil were woken up to everlasting SHAME! If the second death annihilated them, their shame cannot be said to be everlasting.

Do you agree with my definition of death?
Do you think it breaks down in application?

Nobody is saying death means annihilation, otherwise we won't be talking about resurrection. The whole point of Christian faith is the hope of resurrection to everlasting life through Jesus Christ. How can anyone be preaching death as the end?
Even Jesus, Daniel and Isaiah sees death as a form of sleep.
Yes, the purpose of resurrection is to return man to his state at creation to die no more.
How was man created?
Formed from the dust and animated by God's breath. At death, he loses his breath and returns back to dust. As simple as that.
So what will happen at resurrection?
Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28 has the answer. Nothing complicated here.
The spirit being you're mentioning, if translated to Greek simply means a breathing/living being. The Greek and Hebrew words translated as spirit in the Bible mostly means air, breath after all, so your idea of one invisible spirit roaming the universe at death is not even applicable.

It doesn't dawn on you that the Brain is just the physical hardware on which our soul/spirit operates.

When you say:
"I am happy", who are you referring to? Is it your Body or the You who lives inside your Body?

Which one is hardware again?; D
Going by your logic, even if the invisible soul is the software of the brain, how can you even explain that in a sensible way?
At least, in real sense, we can still see and work with softwares.
Man was created in the image of God with a bigger brain and a direct breath of life from God. This is not a mistake. That special design and the breath of life is what set us apart from other creatures. We are products of design not a declaration like, "let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind,... ".
Except you can give a biblical prove where God gave man a separate soul that outlives the body at death, just before he gave us the breath of life, then your argument is defeated.
The Scripture can not be broken you know?

I actually find it a little amusing with you guys for the reason that
1. You believe that miracles have ceased to be (because Jesus doesn't use you for anything supernatural)
2. At the same time, you believe that satan is still operating through some people by performing "spectacular miracles"
3. So that, whenever you see something out of the ordinary, you attribute it it satan even when you know it was done in Jesus name.

Your wrong doctrines is what has limited you permanently to the earthly.

If with everything you teach and believe, we can also see apart from good character the evidence that Christ has commissioned you to serve him in Preaching, Healing and Deliverance of people from Demonic affliction, we can take you a little serious.

Or why do you think Jesus stopped using JWs for Healing and Deliverance but use other Christians?

I'm not a JW.
I believe in miracles, but we should be wary of the so-called miracles in these latter days. "even Satan is pretending to be an angel of light".
We as Christians, should not be carried away by what we see (miracles) but strive to live by the Word, because the Bible makes us understand that those that received the mark of the beast are deceived into doing so, not forced as the mainstream teachings would have us believe.
I don't wholly believe in all the JW doctrines, but unfortunately, most of their teachings are right?

shadeyinka:
Let's look at the Scripture again:

Rev 6:9-11:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given to every one of them; and it was said to them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brothers, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."


1. If they were not literal souls, how about their fellow brethren who are yet to be killed: are those ones also symbolic?
2. If they were not literal souls, how about those who dwell on the earth: are those ones also symbolic?
3. If the souls were symbolic, what is the meaning of "white robes were given unto them"? : they are supposed to be unconscious and non-existent!

The souls under the alter of God are symbolic, not literal. So you seriously think souls of the dead live under an alter in heaven? Is that your own idea of after life? I am to explain how a blood can cry from the ground.
Since the blood of Abel crying from the ground and the souls of the Martyrs crying to God sound literal to you, please explain that of the blood too.

You keep on hammering on Ecclesiastes 9:5 without looking at the context. The context is "A Corpse feel Nothing"! And this is very correct.

Let me also give you an example how you JWs misuse Ecc9:5
Suppose I say Resurection doesn't exist because

Job 14:14:
"If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come."

Would that be correct?

No one is saying resurrection doesn't exist, but it's not immediately after death. This verse further buttress the fact that the dead are lying in wait for the second coming of Christ. Isn't that what the Bible says?

The whole of the old testament never spoke about several things which we only knew at the time of Jesus. e.g. Demons and Deliverance, Spiritual Death, Hades/Tartarus/Gehenna, second Death, Spiritual Death etc

Would you agree that a Spiritually Dead person knows nothing?
If a spiritually dead person knows nothing, then no one can be saved because we were all formally dead spiritually.

Ephesians 2:1-3
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins in which you once lived, following the course of this world, following the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work among those who are disobedient. All of us once lived among them in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of flesh and senses, and we were by nature children of wrath, like everyone else

This is what you call spiritual death?
Well, if by spiritual death you are mean being disconnected from God through sin, that's correct, but there's nothing here that suggests a spirit inside you died.

Dan 12:2:
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

Do you think an unconscious person can feel any shame?

Read again, those who feel the shame were also resurrected just like those resurrected to everlasting life. They can't be said to be dead again since they've woken up.

When God created Animals, they also breathe air. Do you think humans breath because of a physical breath from God?

The Difference between humans and animals is exactly what God did so that man became an eternal soul (living soul). It is the Spirit of God that did this. Man became a spirit being on the day God breathed into him.

When God created man, man was already a soul just like the animals: it took the breath of the Spirit of God to make man a living soul (eternal/ spirit personality)

This is purely your personal opinion, not from the Bible. You read it from the passage that man was formed out of the dust and when God animated him by His breath, he became a living soul. How now you think he already became a soul already before receiving the breath of God is beyond me.
You see? By your teaching man is already living even before becoming a living soul, but as you can see, the Bible disagees with that.

That is why God said:

Gen 2:17:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die."

On the day you eat, to shall die!
Did Adam and Eve die (on the day the ate of the tree?
Yes, they did!
For the Scriptures describe three kinds of death.
1. Physical Death
2. Spiritual Death
3. Second Death

Living soul could mean
1. Soul : Person
2. Soul: The inner you which make you have a Will, Emotion and Intelect/Intelligence.
3. Soul: Everything that has life

That number two doesn't follow. Our brains gave us our intelligence and emotions. That's why human brains are bigger. We're created to be rational beings, and this has nothing to do with any unseen inner soul.

What is death?
Death is not a complete cessation of life and unconscious state but a Disconnection/Separation!
Let me apply this to the kinds of death in the Scriptures!
1. Physical Death:
Disconnection/Separation between the union of a person/animals Body from His Soul
2. Spiritual Death:
Disconnection/Separation between the union of a persons spirit and God
3. Second Death:
Eternal Disconnection/Separation between the union of a persons Body, Soul and Spirit from God

Apply your own definition of death to these three form of death and see if it makes sense.

God intended man to be physical hence the need for resurrection.

Why would God intended for man to be physical yet created an unseen soul?

Jesus said: God isn't the God of the dead but of the living.
Mar 12:27
: "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: you therefore do greatly err."
The soul of a person doesn't die with physical death. It goes back to God the giver of life.

The Bible not pagan idea showed us that man is a triune being

1Ths 5:23:
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; [/b]and I pray God your whole [b]spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

The Thief asked Jesus to remember him and Jesus said:

Luk 23:42-43:
"And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, To day shall you[b] be with me in paradise."
[/b]
Paradise isn't the grave. It is the place where righteous souls went. Hence the soul doesn't terminate with Physical death.


Jesus taught that the soul survives physical death

Luk 16:22-24:
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."


Interestingly, the fact that Jesus called the dead "sleeping" is a proof that they are not dead for if you used a pin on a dead person, he wouldn't know anything but not so for a sleeping person.

I'll touch this later.
But you know that the sleep that we're talking about, those they're sleeping will only wake up at the last day?
By sleep, it means the death is temporary. The second death is the permanent death and the effect is everlasting. That's the import of using sleep.

shadeyinka:
That's exactly why you couldn't explain what happened to Jesus's physical body after He resurrected!
Yet, as you claim: He was moving about with his spiritual body.

Jesus referring to corpses? Let me put the verse again as you wish then interprete what Jesus was teaching.




As you claimed:
Jesus is saying:
It is better that your corpse enter into life maimed than your corpse go into the municipal refuse dump with your two hands complete!!

I marvel at your blindness!

Common man! It's a common knowledge that the original place known as Gehenna was a refuse dump outside Jerusalem. Its use to depict the Lake fire is never a mistake, so you can't replace Gehenna with "refuse dump" in this context because it's symbolic.

@shadeyinka

You must understand that souls crying out to God under the alter are not literal souls. How about blood crying out to God from the ground?
The whole book of Revelation is loaded with symbolic languages. Those who died and are "crying out" to God under the altar symbolically shows John in prophetic vision, telling us that God WILL repay for the actions of the wicked. The dead know nothing, as Ecclesiastes 9:5 confirms.
Notice what the Bible says about the rich man. It says that he was "buried and being in HELL lifted up his eyes". Do you see the clear connection between buried and hell. Jesus is linking the two and saying that the rich man IN HIS GRAVE IS IN HELL. And don't forget that this passage is a parable depicting the Pharisees and the Gentiles? It has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus teaching immortal souls doctrine.

What is Man Exactly? How Was he Created by God?
Genesis 2:7 (NKJV)...'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.'

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) ...'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.'
Notice we became living souls, not given souls?
You also noticed living souls mean living beings?
If we're living souls, doesn't that tell you there's nothing like immortal souls that outlive man?

Can a soul die?
Revelation 16:3 ...'And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.' ... The NKJV says "living creature".

Ezekiel 18:20 ...'The soul who sins shall die.'
From that verse in Genesis, the equation of life is:
Dust (body) + breath of life (spirit) = Man/Soul.
And what happens when we die?
Ecclesiastes 12:7 ...'Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.'

Do the scriptures actually say that all righteous people instantly "go to Heaven" when they die?

John 5:28,29 ...'Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth-those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.'

Even David has not ascended into heaven..
Acts 2:29,34 ...'Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day ... For David did not ascend into the heavens.'

How does the Bible view death?

Job 14:10-12 ...'But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up: So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.' ...
This is a pretty clear Bible verse about death and what happens when we die. Where is man after the Spirit of God leaves him? He returns to the ground and doesn't arise until when? "till the heavens be no more". When will the heavens be no more?
When Christ Jesus returns at the second coming and resurrects His people. Now Job describes death in an interesting way. He says that we will "sleep" when we die. Who else taught the meaning of death in that way? JESUS!!

Matthew 9:24 ...'He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.'

John 11:11-14 ...'These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.'

So Jesus spoke of death as sleeping. Not about going to heaven or hell when we die, but sleeping.
And until when do we sleep in the grave?
Martha knew the answer ... John 11:23-24 ...'Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.' ...

The dust of the earth, or grave, is our home until the resurrection at the second coming of Christ Jesus. The prophet Daniel also confirmed this Bible truth ...

Daniel 12:2 ...'And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.'

Matthew 27:52 ...'And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.' ... At Jesus' resurrection He gave gifts to some and resurrected them also from the dead.
But what were they doing before they were resurrected by Jesus?
They were sleeping. In other words they were in their graves not knowing anything, awaiting the resurrection.
It's even simple logic. You die and you decompose. The Bible truth is as simple as ABC. The earlier we accept it the better.
The whole point of the death and resurrection of Jesus is defeated if people don't actually died as you believe.
Why will Jesus come back again if everyone receives their rewards right after death? What's special about Jesus's death and resurrection if we can all live on just immediately after we die?
Who are those that would be raised up to meet Jesus in the sky from their graves at the last trump if they're already in heaven?
See! Satan is a confusionist and yes, immortal soul doctrine has root in paganism.

shadeyinka:
Only fake translations would translate the Greek HADES to Grave in Rev 20:13. The interlinear Greek English is presented in the attached picture.

If this is your best answer
Do you now agree that there is not a single passage in the New Testament that refer to or describes the grave as Hell!


Dumb question! A very stupid question.

It's just like saying:
Is it true that the hands of a prisoner go into Prison?

Actually, the word translated to grave in Corinthians 15:55 is Hades. If you read from verse 51 you'll understand better. The Greeks might use the word Hades to mean something else (they were pagans and hell, the idea of an immortal soul is borne out of paganism) but it's used in biblical context as simply grave. In Luke 16:22-23, the Rich man was buried, and in hell (the Greek word used here was Hades) he lifted up his eyes. This is an instance where Hades is translated as hell in the Bible.

ken6488:
ondo and osun should be prepared......


Because they are the next state on the list..



You guys need to defend your region oooo

I know they'll not back down on their plans, but mark it, it will backfire so bad that they'll be forced to break away. I know the Fulanis are very stubborn, but believe me, messing with the southwest like they did in Benue will be their undoing.

StevenOba:
I hope you will come back one day though. Cause if everybody jah who go remain na. And no it's not beyond repair.

Definitely, someday. No place like home.

StevenOba:
I finished from a state university very mediocre school if I can say so myself. But I know what I had to do to get employers to look beyond my school. Sometimes what school teaches you is one thing, what you decide to do with your life and how you decide to get there is another. My mediocre school taught me I wasn't learning jack and I made up my mind to also school myself get relevant skills and I thank God it paid off. We all know the Education system in Nigeria is below par, it's a song we've been singing since but we should not allow the state of the nation limit us. I know it's hopeless sometimes but it's very possible because you see our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We the youths should strive to develop ourselves Bleep the government they don't care about us it's only then that our voices can be heard.

The sad part of it is that, even those that developed themselves ended up being shortchanged.
A university degree is enough guarantee of good life in Nigeria if you have connections. Except you're exceptionally talented, you won't get anywhere without knowing someone in Nigeria.
Those that learned one skill or the other, how are they faring? Most of them are being paid peanuts compared to their counterparts in other countries.
I left my former employer when I realized our colleagues in other countries are earning almost ten times our pay in Nigeria for doing the same thing.
The country is messed up beyond repair, I had to leave. Smart people should do the same.
Nigeria will not move forward unless she starts to reward excellence.

The best development so far if it actually happens.
At least we now know who to hold responsible if things are not going on as expected in the Local Government.

To think that some of these mo.rons that will get the severance package are still be coming. One will wonder what exactly they're paying them for. 23 billion for legislators in a country where poverty reign supreme?
If anybody ever dares to think this country is going to get better without a bloody revolution or disintegration, then he might as well expect a fowl to grow canines.
It's a matter of time. Everything will end very soon.

etebefia:
Babangida should trace his root, that dude looks Igbo.

Not even close.

Proffdada:
Where's the beauty? Fake lashes, hair skin tone?

You have eyes.

Slavia Prague will pay the price for Chelsea's loss to Liverpool last weekend.

drey076:
God don't catch Liverpool

For your mind abi?

Venerable612:
Your logic is faulty. That’s not the point. The point is on the power they wield.

Can you say the same of PMB because he himself is not president for a lifetime.

At this moment - Buratai is the General commanding officer of the Nigerian Armed forces. He is no mean man compared to the king of a region in a state. You can talk about common general when he becomes retired and rested.

The General at the mercy of a Civilian President? Forget that gist! A Traditional Rule of Oba of Benin class has more power at the tip of his left index finger than all the Generals combined.
These Kings can undo even a President. Who is Buratai's father?

Iamgrey5:
Time will tell.

A good team does become a bad team overnight because they crashed out of a competition

Next premier league match is also important for Spurs.

Sleep is very important for a sound mind. It doesn't have to be in the night.
I think better in the night.

davodyguy:
In 2007, we conducted the worst election in the history of Nigeria. Yar adua admitted this. But Justice Niki Tobi was the CJN. It's impossible to sack a sitting President. This country would turn upside down. In fact let Atiku bring evidence that he saw Buhari rigging in Daura with photographs, the Supreme court Judges would tell APC/Buhari's Lawyer technical grounds to use in defeating Atiku. Nigeria is not ripe for this kind of a thing

Just listen to what a supposedly educated person is saying?
No wonder Nigeria is the joke of the world. *spits*

okafor200:
there is nothing like that guy,
even if you earn millions from a job you are still not better than someone that runs a business,

you have a boss you answer yes sir to every single day while i have no one to call my boss and am free to do all i want,

in business my profits are not really been specified in a day or months but your salary is,

to tell you in business i can make more profits than you having a job,
ok tell me the job you are doing is it not run by someone?
Will you compare yourself with your boss?

Its when the company makes profit thats only when the workers will be paid off peanuts in a month,

be wise guy to me business is far more better please

You can be better off working in some companies than doing some businesses you know?
A pilot earn about $120000 annually on the average in the US. What kind of business will fetch you such amount of money if you're not rich already?
It's good to go into business and trust me, many people who are on paid jobs have side businesses, but to have a business that pays well, you need money.

LazyGold:
The point is this is not about PDP or APC, I don't know why every misfortune is being politicize there is nothing wrong in voicing out but don't politicize it.

People are dying needlessly in the Country everyday. Everyone has the right to condemn the killing irrespective of whether or not we're affected personally.
I'm sorry for insulting you, but you're wrong for telling him it's not his business what's going wrong in the southwest. Among the victims, you saw an Achebe on the list. Since you assumed he's Igbo, the man could well be his relative. You see why we must talk, politics or not?
I trust Ekiti people, their own madness is stronger than the Fulanis.

LazyGold:
Only a Stupid man will leave his house on Fire to go and quench the fire in Another man's house. Herdsmen are raping and Maiming you in your Region are you not under PDP government? You even lament about how your PDP Governors are not doing anything but you are more worry about South West matter, foolish people Everywhere

That place in question is few kilometers away from my homeland, you foool.

Wait until herdsmen wipe out your existence before you voice out. Brainless idioot.
I wonder if some of you even take time to reason what you type before clicking submit.

LazyGold:
Be more concern about Herdsmen Maiming you in your Region, not poking your nose outside.

You're a foool

Akolawole:
Secondary school leaving certificate is NOT WAEC certificate.

Someone need to teach Kanu too.

SSLC is just an affirmation that a pupil finish secondary school and does NOT need to even write WAEC.

So schools now issue "SSLC" to students that didn't seat for WASSC? What the hell is even Secondary School Leaving Certificate to begin with? If you have yours, let's see it.
As far as I know, you can't even get a testimonial in any school without seating for the final exams. So tells us how it's even possible to finish secondary school without writing the final exams?

Apination:
Purgatory is a place of purification for those who's sins are not deserving of eternal condemnation but at the same time cannot be in heaven due to those sins. At what time in the history of the Catholic Church was money collected in the name of purgatory? Praying for the dead is as old as man, and I believe you have at some point in time attended one Christian funeral service or the other in your church, if praying for the dead is stupid as you say, then then it means you and all those who converge for such are also stupid

The teaching of purgatory is against the biblical teaching.
There's nothing in the Bible that suggests that the dead are even conscious. Jesus always refers to the dead as sleeping. This is consistent with the Bible verse:

Matthew 27:52
The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;,

Daniel 12:2
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.,

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Where then do your purgatory fit in here. When you die, you die and you become dust and that's it until the last day. Nothing like immortal souls or the sort. That's a pagan believe championed by satan to deceive sinners into believing that they have another chance at life again after death.
The earlier we accept the simplicity of the Christian faith, the better.
And yes, Vatican was built by monies from penance on behalf of the dead believed to be in purgatory.

9inches:
History according to who?

Ignorance is bliss.

9inches:
You need to study the history again, your recollection of it is partially skewed. The [Christian] Church of the apostles came to be known as the Catholic Church during the time of Constantine. The term "Catholic Church" literally meaning "universal church" and was used to distinguish it from other groups that also called themselves "the church".

The term was first used by the church father Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 100 AD).

The Catholic Church is the offshoot of the church of Rome. Don't lump all the Apostolic churches together. We all know how the Roman Catholic Church, for 1260 years, killed millions of early Christians who held on to the apostolic teachings and for having a copy of the Bible.

If only...

Teaser4:
na your papa sick for upstairs mumu...go to bed kiddo....

Get the hell out of my mention, idioot!