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armadeo:
I saw this movie last weekend. It was awesome. Loved it. Ant man was also surprising was expecting to be bored but was entertained. 2 movies I advice you all watch.



Ps the bmw did mad flips

Hope u re the secretary of state!
By the way, I dey fear say na fake or incomplete film I watch cus I no see any stunt ontop plane at 5000 feet o. Maybe they realised it was too unrealistic and cut it off cus its Ethan hunt and not jet lie .

Teekrayne:
...... I have not come across any, that's why I have not said anything as regards the question.

Ok, ill live those sets of questions for now, but for later references, ill call them "Q1".

Now my next set of questions relates to hagar, abraham , ishmeal and the process/ritual of walking/ running between the two mountains.

On ishmeal
(1) it is said that the child abraham wanted to sacrifice was not Isaac but ishmeal, following such beliefs,what is the age range of ishmeal or anyone related to the sacrifice when he was to be sacrificed?.
(2)did you have prove that mentions the name of ishmeal in relation to that particular sacrifice by abraham ?
(3) where did this sacrifice occur?
(4)what's the age difference between Isaac and ishmeal.
(5)is ishmeal the progenitor of the Arab race or he became part of the arab people and learnt their language? .

On hagar
(6) why did hagar leave the place where abraham resided?.
(7)did the sacrifice occur before or after hagar left (pls add proof)
( did hagar leave for mecca before or after Isaacs birth.

On abraham
(9) is there any evidence that signified that abraham performed the ritual of moving between the mountains like hagar did?

On the two mountains
(10)some said that the two mountains in mecca are the symbols of allah, what is/are the symbols of allah
(11) why are those two mountains symbols of allah
(12)when did they become symbols of allah.

Pls note, it is not compulsory for you to answer all the questions. The questions are asked in the same post cus they are interrelated, hence the Need to bring them all up at once. Pls take any time u want to reply .

malvisguy212:
are you a jehovah witness ?

Based on my post, I believe you have ur own views which are different from mine, discussing those views are more important than organizational affliations Bro. I dnt see how answering ur question will add to the discussion of such different views

Teekrayne:
......... Let me pause here and allow you to ask your question...

I've asked the questions earlier Bro, it relates to Mary . U said you will do research and get back to me on it .

mahdino:
@ Teekrayne and dolphineheart.
I followed your discussion, very interesting. I suggest we arrange for a meeting because some of the questions and answers will be too long to post, so if we can meet please. Thank you.
My No. 07036065077

Sorry Bro, due to reasons beyond my control, I can not have a meeting with you right now. But we can communicate privately through email

Teekrayne:
.... Sir, satan(Iblis) was an angel before he disobeyed God when God asked him to prostrate to Adam. He wasnt/isnt God!

Sir, me and you have our own line of discussion on these thread, let's not derail that line . If you want to discuss about Satan, let's use our private line of discussion. The question is meant for Anas

Pls note, you can discuss with anyone else on anything I said, but let's keep our two way discussion the way it is, just two way , no third party distractions .

@ Anas09 , wanted to ask you same question that maamin asked, he just beat me to it . Waiting for ur explanation or reply to the question.
Pls add this to it : is Satan a god ?

Just watched mission impossible, abeg I wan ask , did I really see a BMW do backflips or na my eye decieve me. Cus I can not comfirm without the secretary of states approval

Teekrayne:
......... Am grateful. Also, why do some Christians refer to Jesus(Pbuh) as "our lord Jesus"? Is Jesus(Pbuh) a servant or a God or Son of God I anticipate your response

Jesus is a teacher and master, therefore his disciples and followers are right to call him lord. Jesus is also the king of Gods kingdom and subjects of that kingdom are right to call him lord.
So people who call jesus, "lord jesus" can do so because of the reasons stated above.

I dnt know what you mean by servant, but if you mean " doing the will of others" then ill say jesus always does his fathers will, even to the point of death.
I believe I've answered the question about jesus and god, but to add further, jesus is a god, the bible helps us to know that Satan is also a god.
On the issue of son of god, when angel Gabriel came to Mary and announced her pregnancy to her he stated thus: "you will give birth to a son , you will name him jesus........he will be called son of the most high god". So jesus is the son of the most high god. -Luke 1:30-32

How about my own questions na

JMAN05:
The spirit goes to coma. Lol.

How things bros? Hope u enjoy d jw broadcast?

For some genuine reasons Bro, I've not been able to attend congregational meetings in years . Got a CD from my cousin at bethel but I've not been able to watch it yet, my DVD can't play the format, trying to find a way out .

Teekrayne:
........ Sir, what is the stand of the holy bible as regards the number of GOD? Do we have only ONE God or we have God the father, the son and the holy spirit? Am I asking to much sir?

The scriptures made us to understand that there are many gods, a god is anything that you give might and veneration you can read psalms 86:8 and 1cor :5,6.

But it also tells us which god is the true god, our father the almighty and our creator. Psalms 96:5
His name is jehovah/ yaweh .

So despite the fact that there are many gods, we have only one true god who jesus Christ prayed to in john 17:3 . This true god is the one Christians worship , this true god is the one who sent jesus to use to be our messiah and savior. This same god is the one jesus referred to when he told Mary that he has not yet "ascended to my god and your god".

No where in the bible is jesus or the holy spirit called almighty gods or is equality to almighty god attached to them . There is no "god the father, god the son, god the holy spirit" statement in the bible.

No you have not asked too much .

To everyone reading this thread, this is my view on the webpage posted earlier which tried to Indicate marriage age of some biblical figures in ancient times.


I find it interesting when people use a source contrary to their beliefs to defend their own beliefs.

The first question we should ponder on is : do musl.ims
Belief in the works of rashi so as to use his works as a defense in the phaedophilia issue?

I read the story on Rebeccas age at marriage as a means to defend phaedophilia marriage by a religious group and this is my view on it.

Yes ,Rashi a well-known
respected Jewish Scholar, but does that made all his works correct?
Do muslims accept all of his views or use parts of his works when they find it convenient ?

If muslims can reject some of his works as false story, I believe every religious group also have that right too , abi no be so? .

For example, rashi stated this in his commentary on genesis chapter 25 verse 1: And Abraham took another wife and her name was Keturah.


Keturah: (Gen. Rabbah 61:4)
This is Hagar. She was called
Keturah because her deeds
were as beautiful as incense
, and because she tied......... the Aramaic for“tied”) her opening, for she was not intimate with any man from the day she separated from Abraham........And she bore him Zimran and Jokshan and Medan and Midian and Jishbak and Shuah.

This is rashis statement on hagar having more than one child ishmeal . Does ur religion belief that statement ? If you do not believe part of a book , I do not see any logic in using another part of that same book when defending ur religion , to me its like using a fake hadith! .

Let's continue.

The page stated thus :
Rebecca was three years old
when she married Isaac.
1. Rashi’s commentary on
Genesis 25:20 says:
forty years old: For when
Abraham came from Mount
Moriah, he was informed that
Rebecca had been born.
Isaac was then thirty-seven
years old, for at that time Sarah
died, and from the time that
QIsaac was born until the
“Binding” [of Isaac], when Sarah
died, were thirty-seven years,
for she was ninety years old
when Isaac was born, and one
hundred and twenty-seven
when she died, as it is stated
(above 23:1): “The life of Sarah
was [a hundred and twenty-
seven years.”] This makes
Isaac thirty-seven years old,
and at that time, Rebecca was
born. He waited for her until
she would be fit for marital
relations-three years-and
then married her. — [From
Gen. Rabbah 57:1
[Retrieved it from this website:
http://www.chabad.org/library/
bible_cdo/aid/8220/showrashi/
true]


Now let's analyse : the books at which rashi used in his commentary contain statements that which some religion view as false, adulterated or currupted. They view such stories as not true, for they belief that Isaac has not been born when abraham attempted to sacrifice his son. does this not throw a spanner into the attempt to calculate age difference between Isaac and Rebecca? I wonder why such religion now use such false story to defend itself .

Now, for a certainty, the scriptures that christians use did not specify the age of rebecca when she married Isaac, neither did it state the age of Isaac when abraham took him to be sacrificed. it
Also did not specify the period between the binding of Isaac and the death of Sarah . So the holes in the attempt to use the death of Sarah to calculate the birth of Rebecca as a big as those craters on the moon.

After the binding of Isaac , abraham heard news about his relatives . Though the scriptures made mention of Rebecca in those verses, it did not directly state that abraham was told of the birth of Rebecca. The persons whose birth he was told about was stated there .
Another thing to note there is that news of several births where told to abraham . The question is where they all born at the same time? If no, what is the prove that Rebecca was born at that time if all the names mentioned are not born at the same time ?

If there is going to be an attempt to link the sacrifice of Isaac with the birth of Rebecca,the scriptures stated that God called Isaac a boy , these could indicate that the purpoted news of rebeccas birth happened when Isaac was still a boy or verry young man .

Now the scriptures indicated that Rebecca fetched water from a well for the camels to drink. I leave readers to decide if a three year old can do that. We all know how camels drink water as if tommorow no dey.

Other things to note from the scriptures .
Abraham did not indicate that they should find Rebecca to marry for Isaac, he said "among the daughters " .
The servant abraham sent said "young woman " and "maiden" in refference to rebecca and not "child ".
Rebecca was asked for her consent before she followed them .

To be continued............

Teekrayne:
......... Thanks for your understanding! I do really appreciate! I also have questions to ask. But that will be after I provide answers to ur questions. Good nyt man.

You can ask Me now

taiwo850629:
It means that the body of the person is lifeless. The person (the spirit) has gone out of the body. It means the medium through which the person interacts with the physical world is dead. A dead body knows nothing in contrast to a live body (brain) that knows things. It simply means a dead body knows nothing. The body is dead without the spirit.

The bible does not support ur explanation. The verse did not mention "body". The verse let's us know that that person knows nothing . He does not know Whatever happens to him after death. Verse ten says "the place to which YOU are going, it did not say "ur body".

In case u feel man is a spirit housed in a body , pls answer the following questions.
Where in the bible is it said that the spirit goes to hell?.
When did your spirit enter ur body?
Where is the spirit when a man is in coma. ?

Teekrayne:
................... Opz! "genealogical difference" I just got the previous question right... But to be candid with you, the questions are really appreciated, but they are relatively "too much"!!! You would have done good to me if you had asked them one after the other for clarity. Nonetheless, let's see how far I can go!!!.... Quran 11 vs 78 was referring to ABRAHAM(IBRAHIM)..... Hud is a prophet of Allah who was sent to the people of Aad to stop worshipping idols...... While I provide answers to the ones I know; I'll embark on research till I find the appropriate answer to the other questions. I'll rather belt up than to spew gibberish from my gob! May God help us all

Ok , ill be waiting for ur answers. Though I have other questions (based on other topics ill like answered.

AllNaijaBlogger:
I'm a christian. I doubt an atheist would ask you to quote scripture.

I did not ask about ur religion, I asked about ur view on the book u say I should quote from. What ur view on the bible.?

Mizzzbeee:
the last book of the series is FOUR it focused more on Tobias... Yea I noticed it ddn't follow the story line the book portrayed... Many movies do that... Infact I'll say insurgent ddn't do any justice to the book!

Ok, will check it out. But allegiant has a "tobias story" in it . I mean the book was written in a format showing tobias and tris view of what is happening and their plans. Dnt think the movie will follow that Format anyway

AllNaijaBlogger:
"man was not created to guide his own steps"

So we humans are babies abi?


Please, where in the bible is that written?

Nop, we re not all babies. This is not a matter of age.

I can show u, but you have to tell me ur view on that book first.

By the way, have you ever wondered why man is unable to use his brain to full capacity or somewhere close?

To evolusltionist and atheist, Which came first, the chicken or the egg!

DeepSight:
^^^^
https://www.nairaland.com/689050/spiritual-government

Thanks . Still reading .

But I do not agree with the ops attempt at linking the government in saudi arabia with theocracy. That Monarchy established his rule through violence just like isis is doing now.

Mizzzbeee:
cmon don't spoil it for them

Sorry bout that. My apologies

RaeMystix:
Oh!..."The best of the four series was Divergent"?. I thought as much; Perhaps the directors will create an alternate ending for the movie.

The alternate ending they created in insurgent is what spoiled the movie for me. Hope they wunt cut off the break up ( dnt know if its permanent) of tris and tobias

Preboy:
@bolded... that's some really hurtful words

well the movie didn't make sense but how it ended just kept me in deep suspense cus i wanna know what the next phase is and why the hell they're testing these young lads... the whole picture is what's interesting, not the story of one movie in the series

Divergent and hunger games doesn't have these feature, i know everything abt both series and i hate it when a movie doesn't have suspense. well with divergent, i'd love to see what's beyond the walls but hunger games is just there

#JustMyOpinion

What's beyond the walls in divergent na another story entirely. If you have not read the book, its. Definitely not what you might think it is .

Mizzzbeee:
lol the movie was actually culled from the book.... Av Read the synopsis tho... Dnt think ud like the end.... The Best of the 4 books was Divergent!

You are right , divergent (novel)is still the best for me. I used the word "still cus I've not watched the allegiant or complete the novel( keep dropping it after every ten pages or so) .

Not sure, but I think the novel is just 3 books, allegiant Has no part 1 or 2, but the movie will have sha.

What affected insurgent (in my own view) was that the movie did not go along with the storyline of the book. Example, Jeannine (erudite leader) was not killed by tobias mother, but by that woman who told tris she was divergent in part 1. It also shortened the details of what really happened when they fled to the amity camp and at candour camp.

Spoiler : you will learn more about divergents and tris mum in allegiant . Guess what is happening outside those walls !?

RaeMystix:
I felt the same way about the MazeRunner; as for
Divergent series?. I just hope the series ends at insurgent , cos it isn't difficult to predict what happens next

Allegiant will be based on life outside the walls? They where being lied to all their lives.

Spoiler alert: do you know that tris mother came from outside the walls?

PastorAIO:
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

They might say that if man might create an android that might be able to dream, it might dream of electric eel ............to an android , that is pure orgasm, ....as in natural dis-recharge!

Still wonder why we are deeply thinking on things that MIGHT! Never happen .

Bible says: man was not created to guide his own steps talkless of others.
Man says: we can determine our way as there is no God.

Example and result: the attempt by man to guide his own steps through governments. It has and will always only lead to calamity.

Teekrayne:
...................... You are free to ask any question provided you are objective in the manner @ which you ask the question! If I know it, I'll let you know and if I don't know it, I'll own up ...................... Now to answer your question, these are the verses!!...... "And his people came rushing towards him, and they had been long in the habit of practising abominations. He said: "O my people! Here are my daughters: they are purer for you (if ye marry)! Now fear Allah, and cover me not with shame about my guests! Is there not among you a single right-minded man?" [Qur'an 11:78]................................................... ........................... In Chapter 7 verses 65, 73 and 85 Prophets Hud, Saleh and Shu‘ayb are referred to as "brothers" of their respective peoples.



"And unto (the tribe of) A'ad (We sent) their brother, Hud. He said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah serve Him. Will ye not ward off (evil)"? [Qur'an 7:65]



"And to (the tribe of) Thamud (We sent) their brother Salih. He said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah serve Him. A wonder from your Lord hath come unto you. Lo! this is the camel of Allah, a token unto you; so let her feed in Allah's earth, and touch her not with hurt lest painful torment seize you". [Qur'an 7:73]



"And unto Midian (We sent) their brother, Shu‘ayb. He said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah serve Him. Lo! a clear proof hath come unto you from your Lord; so give full measure and full weight and wrong not mankind in their goods, and work not confusion in the earth after the fair ordering thereof. That will be better for you, if ye are believers" [Qur'an 7:85]

The people of Lot are also mentioned in chapter 50 verse 13 as the brothers of Lot except for the word "banati" which means my "daughters".... In 11:78, all other references have used the word "akhun" which means "brother".
Another one........


"The ‘Ad, Pharaoh, the brethren of Lut", (Qur'an 50:13)

And in another place, the Qur'an addresses the believers as brothers-in-faith.



"The Believers are but a single brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy". [Qur'an 49:10]

May we all be guided!

Pls I do not know who quran 11: 78 is talking about can you explain more on that verse and relate it to the question I asked?

On quran 7:65
Who are the a'ad? Who is hud?
I believe (not sure) that this aad is a group of people and not an individual like Aaron right?
When did hud go to aad? I believe both where alive and most (in aad) are of the same generation with hud right?

If I'm right with my view on that verse, then it is not in line with my initial question which is aimed at finding out quranic verses in which the condition of calling Mary a sister of someone who is hundreds of years older than her and very much dead before she was born. I hope u understand me now. Hud and the aads where verry much alive in that verse.


On verse 73 and 85.
I hold the same view and I'm asking the same questions as above.
We might be cousins or from the same tribe. You might also be older or younger than I am . It will be accepted if I call you brother, but I, and I'm sure , you too, will take offence if any one of us calls our great grand father brothers.

On Quran 50:13
Pls in what way does this verse answer my question .

On quran 49:10
I believe this believers are of the same generation or are alive at the same time.

Pls Bro, my question was not on the mentions of brothers and sisters in the quran but more on the relationship and genealogical difference of these brothers and sisters. So pls can u provide a similar example like that of Aaron and Mary?

Bro ,The second question : what is the historical and spiritual kinship/ relationship between Mary and Aaron .?

Teekrayne:
................. Its not a mandate you accept!!! You asked me to defend the "error" according to you and I did! I am not trying to convince you here, I did exactly what you asked me to do.................................................... The words "sister", "brother", "son" and "daughter" in Arabic usage have very wide connotations. On this basis itself, modern day Western scholarship has rejected the claim of "confusion" between the two Marys, i.e., Mary, mother of Jesus, and Miriam, sister of Moses and Aaron........................................................................... For example, A. J. Wensinck writing in the Encyclopaedia Of Islam says:

"Maryam is called a sister of Hārūn (sūra XIX, 29), and the use of these three names ‘Imrān, Hārūn and Maryam, has lead to the supposition that the Kur'ān does not clearly distinguished between the two Maryams, of the Old and the New Testaments. The Kur'ān names two families as being especially chosen: those of Ibrāhim and of ‘Imrān (sūra III, 32). It is the family of ‘Imrān, important because of Moses and Aaron, to which Maryam belongs. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ASSUME THAT THESE KINSHIP LINKS ARE TO INTERPRETED IN MODERN TERM. THE WORDS "SISTER" and "DAUGHTER", like their male counterparts, in Arabic usage can indicate extended kinship, descendance or spiritual affinity.................. This second ‘Imrān, together with Harun, can be taken as purely Kur'ānic...................... Muslim tradition is clear that there are eighteen centuries between the Biblical ‘Amram and the father of Maryam. ................................................................................................................................................................. The controversy surrounding the honorary epithet “Sister of Aaron” applied to Mary, mother of Jesus, in the Qur'an, has been a characteristic of Muslim-Christian dialogue from the very beginning of the Prophet’s mission. The Christians of Najran queried the use of this epithet, suggesting the Qur'an had confused Mary, mother of Jesus with Mary, sister of Aaron and Moses. This observation developed polemical overtones beginning in the 9th century in the form of Nicetas of Byzantium's trenchant criticisms and general Anti-Islam polemic.

Believing the Qur'an was simply a hodgepodge of Jewish and Christian texts, Western scholarship continued to transmit this alleged historical contradiction until recent times, where a balanced and fair look at the relevant texts shows no such anachronism exists. Though descriptions such as ‘Children of Adam’, ‘Children of Israel’, ‘mother of’ ‘brother of’, ‘sister of’, ‘son of’, etc., may presuppose direct physical consanguinity, they cannot in all instances be understood as such, without imposing a patently absurd, nonsensical understanding of the text...... May God help us all

Pls, do you have any other example in the quran which used "brother " or "sister" in a relationship between two people who are hundreds of years apart like Aaron and Mary in order to indicate extended kinship?

What is the historical or spiritual kinship/relationship between Aaron and Mary ?

Can I ask you other questions , though not related to this topic ?

Want to hear opinnions about choice. Can AI make different choices based on same knowledge and experience ?

Can AI experience joy?
Can they be really happy ?
Can the dream about things they have no knowledge or experience or pre programe about?
Can they imagine?

abduljabbar4:
Tell the fools my brother. They killed their own

Is it because I did not reply his post that made you say such words! . You are verry quick to catch on any statement(no matter how minute) that seems to surpport ur views but run away from posts that open ur views to the world to see and analyse. If I'm wrong, then say something about the post before urs, are the statements right or wrong?

I've asked numerious question to find out the truth about what you believe, but the moment you see that the answers might show that there is something wrong somewhere, u just go BAlistic and distrupt everything.

Now let me ask you: who killed their own and who was the one killed?
The war fought by the Jews, is it a directive from their God or from allah or is the events(wars,as recorded in the bible)man made fabrications added to the scriptures?

I seriously dnt expect an answer from you, but ill wait to see if you will answer

armadeo:
@moneyallowed, sircumalot,

This film received good reviews. I haven't got round to watching it. What's your score on the movie.

Dnt know how to score it.

The fact is that I watched it once, really liked it , but might not watch it again .

Ranchhoddas:
I am tired of this discussion.Bye.

Ok. bye.

Ranchhoddas:
continue pretending as if you do not understand my question.Does God know whether you will go to heaven?

Haba! Did I not answer you! Where is the pretense in my answer.
God knows all the possible decisions/actions you might take/decide . Ur decision will then determine your future after death.