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dmandy:
I was only thinking we are on the same page. So, you don't believe in life after death after all. Is ok.
Their bodies died and to dust returned but you know what? their spirit didn't.

There spirit did not die , good, verry good statement.

Now tell us using the bible as a guide.
Where did the spirit in man goes after death ?

What about the soul?, I've been asking about the soul since .

What did God call man, flesh or spirit?

dmandy:
And the one that don't shall ........?

Give me an example of a direct offpring of adam(that came primarily from his loins) that did not sin. Just one example of a man born perfect without divine intervention.

dmandy:
I was only thinkinking we are on the same page. So, you dont believe in life after death after all. Is ok.

Dnt try and change the topic.

Tell us how you Learnt that the soul is immortal.
Tell us where the soul goes at death .
Tell us what is the soul.
Tell us if the saints of old died or did not die!

dmandy:
There is no basis for further discussion if you don't believe in life after death and immortality of the soul.

thanks, I do.

Show me how the bible teaches that the soul is immortal?!!!.

For the soul that is sinning will die!!!

dmandy:
If you say they did, then u make God a liar who said He is God of the living and not the dead. For only the body dies. You see that in scriptures don't you?

You guys sha, you have decided to go the olaadegbu way. You made a statement , a question was asked about ur statement you are now acting like you did not see the question .

Simple question, are you saying your saints of old did not die!!!?

The funny thing about ur version of false beliefs is that those who have a general belief that the soul does not die wunt agree with ur version. You guys come up with different versions of the same belief.

If you know you know the truth, dnt assume my own opinnion cus I've not said anything on die or death, just tell us yes or no if ur saints die or not!.

I sha pray to be aware that the wahala is about to start, so that I can join the people in those pictures wherever they are. Cus I bet they wunt come here to fight with of for anybody.

dmandy:
My dear, the dead are condemned forever and cannot praise God.. they curse Him in gnashing of teeth. The 'saints are still alive' for God is not God of the dead but of the living. Does that help?

Are you saying ur saints of old did not die?

Lukay99:
Point of correction the Quran is not a revelation of Islamic Allah but a revelation from ALLAH (God) there is no Islamic Allah and non Islamic or regular Allah this just shows your level of Islamic knowledge I'll try my best to answer all your questions to the best of my knowledge your first question was about receiving the book of deed in the left hand or the back the English translation of the Quran is not literally the word of God(Allah) but it's the translator English choice of words of translating the original Arabic language Quran because the Quran was revealed in Arabic language I think you should be bilingual you should know that no 2 languages are the same English and Arabic as a language are not on the same level English as a language is very shallow but Arabic on the other hand is very deep and more complex there are many words in the Quran that the English translation is not doing justice to because there's no proper words in English to best describe it which why we as muslims don't call the English or any other languages translation of the Quran the word of God(Allah) I know many Christians do call the Bible the word of God.
To really understand The first verse you quoted you need to understand that it was revealed in Arabic through a Arab prophet and Arabic people what is their culture like or ways of interacting with one another like if you really want to get the best understanding of the Quran you need to understand Arabic and some of the culture too if a Arab shows you the bottom of his feet is insulting you or give you something with the left hand is not proper so to the best of my knowledge all I can tell you is that Allah is taking in parable just like in many places in the Bible

Haba, just one full stop!!

OLAADEGBU:
The only prove you need is that your spirit man be regenerated by the Holy Spirit when you repent and trust in the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

I guess that you have searched and searched and realised that answering the questions will only show the world how wrong ur beliefs are, but you have to reply just to save face.

Like I said, in other to protect one lie, other lies have to be fomulated. For the hell fire lies to be authentic, the lie of what soul really is must be formulated . For that to stand, man having a soul must be fomulated . For that to stand ,the spirit/soul must be fomulated. But just like a building made of cards, just remove one of the cards and the other lies come crumbling down .

You have failed to tell us if spirit and soul go to the same place after death.

You have failed to give us details on when the people in ur hell now go to heaven .
You have failed to tell us what will happen to people after the ur so called rapture.
You have failed to tell us if those who lived before jesus where born again to go to heaven as jesus said that without that, you can not inherit the kingdom of God.

Which part of man goes to hell fire, his spirit, soul or body. Show proof from the bible.

Rapture4real:
Hell is temporary where the sinners go after death while lake of fire is the final place of torment eternally

What do you understand by hell being thrown into the lake of fire?

OLAADEGBU:
For your information, the soul is of the same shape to the body and spirit of man. Even though the body lies in the grave, the soul/spirit lives on till eternity in heaven or hell.

SHow prove that the soul is same shape to the body and spirit of man.

Show prove where it is said the soul lives on to eternity.
Show prove where the soul seperates from the body at death.
I've warned you several times on this "spirit/soul word you use. The soul is not the spirit. They have different words with different meanings.

Show prove that the spirit of man goes to hell?.

Why does the bible say the dead not praise God?.

Ayomivic:
Yes there are many gods but we believed in one true God .
We are going to understand that Jesus is God if we stop limit the capability and power of God.

I want us to know that Jesus is Son of God, he is messanger of God, he is son of man, he is son of David and he is God. If you refers to him as whichever of those titles you are right because that was how he was been refers to in the scripture but it take the spirit of God and the knowledge of the scripture to understand why he was called like that. You can't say because he was called this is not that.

You we agree with me that in Bible, Jesus always refers to himself as son of man. Jesus did/does not want to reveal his identity when on earth that is why he forbids the unclean spirits of exposing him. He also forbids his disciples of revealing all what they saw
while he was still on earth.

In Book of Matthew 16: 13 he aske his disciples that " Whom do men say that i the son of man is? The disciples answered ;some say you are John the baptize, some say Elias and other, Jeremiah or one of the prophet
He then asked them " But whom say you that iam?Simon Peter answered ,thou art the Christ the son of of the living God"
whe he said this Jesus did not dispute his statement but commended his saying "
Blessed art thou Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood not revealed it unto you but my father which is in heaven"
why can't we say Saimon Peter is wrong because Jesus called himself son of man

how was he son of God? Did God has wife? No, but there is reason for that.

On Jesus being God, its not i that called him God but the scripture itself did. Let read what the book of Isaiah says about him


Isaiah 9:6
" for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor , THE MIGHTY GOD, the everlasting father , the prince of peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgement and with justice from henceforth even for ever.The zeal of Lord of host will perform this"

Do you see it? Jesus was calle Mighty God

the Book of John shed more light to why Jesus is God. Let read

John 1-4
In the beginnig was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God
The same was in the beginnig with God.All things were made by him; and without was nothing made that was made. In him was life and the life was the light of men ;and light shinneth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not"

we all know that God created all he created by hiw word. " Let there be " see the book of Genesis 1- 31.
The word in that verse refers to Jesus

John1:14
And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us, ( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the önly begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:10-12
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not.But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.Which was born,nor of the blood, nor of the will of the flesh,nor of the will of man but of God"

dolphinheart you asked me about the verse " I and my father are one" you asked if that statement mean Jesus is thesame as father?

You also asked to know what is mean by the statement " My father is greater than me"

i will answer these two questions according to the verses above that prove Jesus to be word of God. The word is just part of man that cannot be seperated from man.Jesus is part or portion of God that cannot be seperated from him

For the both questions let use this analogy to explain it.
Let say you got ocean's water from ocean in a bottle and travel to another state. If someone ask you which water is this what will you say? You have no option than to call it by it source because that is what it is. You can't say because it is in bottle is no longer sea's/ocean's water.Even if you did not say it and it tasted by someone who knows the taste of ocean ,he would tell you it source. But which one is greater, the small quantity of water that is in bottle or the main ocean from which the samll is obtained ? The main Ocean is the greater becouse its plenty, its deep, it has living creatures in it, it move with strenght and wave, it has power, it width is large etc. Hope you understand what am try to explain.

I said soul cannot die and you aske me about the verse of Bible that says " The soul that is sinnig shall die"

that Bible verse is talking about second death with mean everlasting torment in hell

for me to tell you where it written that soul is immortal or that the soul leave the body after death" I know that God is immortal and it breath sould be.

Genesis 2:7
" And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul "

Ecclesiates 12:7
" Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"

The scripture did not tell us much about Angel expecialy how they were created

the Bible is word of God but there is much different between Jesus and Bible which i believe you know.

I hope i have addressed your questions and that of Teekrayne and others?

Good of you to say that there are many gods, this nulifies ur statement that god means a "supreme being" . A god can be a supreme being but there are other gods who are not supreme . Jesus is an example of these for he, the bible and his disciples helped us to understand that there is someone more supreme than jesus, the one true god that jesus calls his father, god and creator.

Adding ur statements that jesus is "God" and that "God" is a "supreme being" is a totaly wrong analogy cus jesus himself has said the true god is the "father" , that the "true god" is the supreme being . And me and you agree that jesus is not the father, since jesus is not the father , then jesus is not the supreme being. Or is jesus the same person as the father?


I'm not limiting the power of God. I'm discussing on what the bible says , I'm not using derived analogy like you have done(which ill point out ).

Of all the names and titles you gave jesus, the only one not found in the bible is "jesus is God".


For obvious reasons, jesus did not want to use the wrong medium to reveal himself, imagine what the devil would have done if jesus had and had accepted the demon give out information about him. It would have been hard to disprove other twisted and false statements.

Another obvious fact is that it will distrupt jesus main activity on earth, and that is "preaching the gospel", look at what happened to jesus and later his disciples when he and they later said jesus is "the son of God".

I am not disputing the fact that jesus is the son of God, Matthew 16: 13 supports my view that jesus is the son of God, angels are also sons of God, likewise there is opportunity for humans to be
Sons of God and brothers to jesus in heaven.


Bro one thing I like is people being truthful and factual. Let's look at the Isaiah 9:6 verse you quoted:
" for unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given and the
government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor , THE MIGHTY GOD, the everlasting father , the prince of peace.
Of the increase of his
government and peace there
shall be no end, upon the
throne of David and upon his
kingdom, to order it, and to
establish it with judgement and
with justice from henceforth
even for ever.The zeal of Lord
of host will perform this"

Point 1: the verse did not state that jesus "is" or "was" called any of the names and titles in the verse. It stated emphatically that he "will be" called those names and title, this helps us understand that there was a time jesus did not have such titles.

Point 2: jesus is called "mighty God". Why do you as human remove the word "mighty " and just state "jesus is God".
The supreme one ,the true God jesus said we should worship is the "almighty God". The verse did not say jesus is the "almighty God".
By my definition of the word "god" , jesus is a god, a "mighty god" , but he is not the the supreme or almighty God. The father, his God holds those positions.

As much as Ill like to explain my view on john 1:1-4, it might make the post too long, might have to post it seperately.



NOw let's go to the questions I asked you.:

"(I) and the father are one one
" . Does this statement mean
that Jesus is the father? Are
they the same person ?

You should have answered these question by giving a straight answer, but you did not . Instead you used an analogy to arrive at another derived analogy to surppot ur views.

Ur analogy is wrong in the sense that jesus is a seperate person from the father, jesus is not part of the person called the father. They both have wills , there wills are seperate, even though one suppress his will to the will of the father.
Ur analogy is also wrong in the sense that unlike the water taking out of the ocean still probably having the same composition as the water in the ocean , jesus was said to be made flesh(a different composition) ,to take a slaves form(a different condition).

Point 3 : ur analogy of the ocean defends more a belief that "jesus is part of God" more than "jesus is God".

Point 4: the father is seperate from the jesus not only in power and position , but also in knowledge about certain things.
Point 5 : the ocean has a finite mass at any point in time, removing a bottle reduces that finite mass by the mass of the water in the bottle, is the fathers power reduced when jesus was created?

Can you answer with a yes or no on if jesus is the father?
Point 6: after jesus went back to heaven, he did not merge back with God like a water in the bottle will do if poured back into the sea. For God told jesus , "sit at my right hand" and Stephen saw the person of jesus, seperate, different from the one sitting on the throne.


Bro, you said soul does not die, the bible said the soul that is sinning shall die!
Wherever it is that you claim the souls goes afterward, watever condition it is , wateva the word death or die means,wateva definition you give it , whenever it dies , whichever ways its dies, the bible goes contrary to ur initial statement that the soul does not die!. It states the "soul that sins dies!" stop analyzing simple biblical statements .

Genesis 2:7
" And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul "

Can you see that that verse did not state that adam was "giving a soul" or that adam "has a soul" .it stated emphatically that adam "became a living soul"

Ecclesiates 12:7
" Then shall the dust return to
the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"

Did that verse Tell us anything about the soul?
Is "spirit same as soul?

Bro, the questions still stands : Pls show where it is said that
the soul is immortal or that
adam was giving a soul or that
the soul leaves the body at
death?

Or do those statements come from derived analogy too?


You said jesus is the pure word of God, that he was created by word. That is why i ask, the other spirit creatures in heaven, is it not by word that they are created too? Can be thus say that by virtue of their mode of creation , they are word of god too?

The bible is "word of God, jesus is "word of God" right!

Why is this so?

Teekrayne:
............ Access them individually to know who is doing it right or wrong? Noted!...... How come Jehovah Witness, Deeper Lifers, Catholic churches do not use musical instruments? Could we say they read a different version of the bible which is supposed to pass one message across to all Christians

Jehovahs witnesses and catholic churches do use musical instruments. Not sure about deeper life, but I'm of the view that they do use musical instruments in their worship.
Note: I did not say the use of those instruments is wrong and the bible did not say its wrong. But I explained that the way, purpose, mode and direction a musical instrument is used in worship determines if it is acceptable or not using the bible as a guide.
Contrary to what they say, most gospel artist collect money for their performance. Do you think it is right to seek financial gain when praising God. 99% will stop singing gospel songs the moment its financial rewards stops , this shows you where exactly their heart is!

Samunique:
Bros, I've diligently followed u, and i must commend u that u've done more than enough for these people most especially Teekrayne but he ( they ) are just bent on repeating the old question that has been answer severally to justify their own ways of worship which were pre-islamic pagan practices.

Pls sir, since he insists that we are not worshiping the right way that we must prostrate with our faces on the ground , ask him to show us where in the Bible Jesus specifically ask us to do so, or better still he should show us how Jesus ask us to worship God in the Bible, if he cannot , then i will suggest u forget about the guy.

God bless u sir!!!

Thanks a lot Bro, though I do not accept or support the word " these people" that you used there o.

Teekrayne:
.......... Brother, you are contradicting yourself! Quite alright I have not seen you worship. Are you kidding me? Are you telling me that the way you call on your God is different from the way Christians call on their God? Why can't I use "you guys"?? Aren't u a christian? They call on celebrities to entertain the congregation when they are bored!!!! We have recently seen churches where some of our celebrities were invited to perform.......Korede performed in a church of late. The thread even made front page... We have also seen churches where comedians were invited to perform.... Acapella is an example!.... I watched it, I was not told.....

Bro , first of all, ur question on singing and use of instrument is different from your question on how jesus prayed. Worship and praise are two different things though praise can be termed as a form or part of worship.

On the use of instrument in a religious gathering .- one of the initial statements I made when replying you on this is that churches today have different ways, means and process of offering praise through the use of musical instruments, and that you should not lump up all christians mode of praise based on the one you have seen . The bible should be used as a guide to determine if a particular church method is right or wrong.

I then told you that using musical intruments is not wrong cus the bible showed us that other prophets of God used it, it was used in the temple, and even God had a say in the arrangement of music and musical instruments in his worship.
I told you that is is not said that jesus used musical instruments, but we know that he and his disciples sang. We also know that his apostles used to sing as part of their worship to God. The use of instrument is used in the future to sing praises to God in heaven as used in the past, these shows that it is not wrong to use it in the present.
But how do you use it in the present- you use it with modesty, respect and humility, bearing in mind the importance or what you are doing.

God does not like this form of worship1)when you use musical instruments and sing to God without considering others in the area.
(2) when you use musical instruments and sing in a way that portray worldly methods and ideas
(3) when you use musical instruments and sing in a way that shows you are more concerned about the effect of the instruments and the voice of the singer(s) than the actual praise .

I did this explanation is such a way that you can now go back and look at the different church mode of praise again and see if they follow guidelines. So that you can assess them individually.

I dnt know why they used korede Bello but I can tell you that God will not listen to someones praise and worship more than another person just because that someone has a better voice Bro.

On question that relates to how jesus prayed, jesus did not always pray with his face to the ground. Pls note the word always . In the old days, people normally worship by putting there face to the ground towards the one they are worshiping, even pagans and idol worshipers do that too. But the bible did not give a direct order on how to position ourself during prayer, but rather layed emphasis on what you should pray about and the purpose of ur prayer. Its the heart condition that God looks at and not ur physical position or the distance between ur head and the ground.

Teekrayne:
.......... That doesn't answer my question young man! Did jesus worship(dance, invite celebrities to come and perform, sing, play guitar, piano etc) the way u guys worship now

Bro, seems you are Mixing up ur questions o,question 3 and 4 as asked by you are totally different. and it seems you did not read my reply on singing and use of instrument as it is done then and today.

How can a congregation invite celebrity? To come and do what? To help them sing?
If you have read my post, you would have seen the words humility and modesty, words that a Christian must exhibit in all things, even when singing praise Bro, you do not know how I worship and praise my God, you should not have used the word " you guys".

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Ayomivic:
God is a supreme being. The Almighty Creator.

The Bible does not contradict itself, it's you that have little knowledge of the scripture.

Do you know that this question you are asking about Jesus being God or not had been asked Jesus himself by Jews when he was on earth? What answer did Jesus gave to them ?I know his answer to that question will be hard for you to believe
let read the verses iam taking about

" i and my father are one. Then the Jew took up the stones again to stone him
Jesus answer them, many good works have i shewed you from my father; for which of those works do you stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou being a man ,makest thyself God
Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, i said, you are gods?
If he called gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken
say you of him, whom the father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, thou blasphemest; because i said, iam the son of God? John 10:30-36


" I have said, you are gods and all of you are children of the Most High" Psalm 82:6

why did God called human being gods?

You and i know that God formed the first man and woman (Adam and Eve) with soil but they have'nt be living being until God breath to thier nosrils the breath of live and he became alive.
God is lmmortal, therefor nothing of him can die, his breath we share from him that is in us cannot die. That is why, if we die it is only our body that decayed ,the soul would return to God, it cannot die. That is why the Bible refers to our body as temple of God.

But in the case of Jesus, his body and soul are pure word of God and the word of God is life. Quran and Bible testified to Jesus being the word of God. When Jesus died,he did not decay in grave like we human being before he rose up to God. God gave birth to Jesus by word not by intercouse. Not only this, God had given Jesus authority over everything he created include us as he made us to have dominion over other things he created as we see it in Genesis1:28-30 and gave him name above all name.

Psalm 138-2 said " I will worship toward thy holy temple and praise thy name for thou hast magnified the word above all the name"

which word does God magnified above all name if not Jesus the word of God?

Or Are you saying that the word of God is not god?

Bro, God/ god/ GOD is anything you give veneration and worship.

There are many and different kind of gods. The use of God in the bible is to try to differentiate the almighty from other gods even though it is not like that in the original manuscripts.

"(I) and the father are one one " . Does this statement mean that jesus is the father? Are they the same person ?
What does this statements mean
A. "The father is greater than (I)"
B. " that you may be one with me just as I'm one with the father"(rough quote).
C. " I've not yet ascended to my God and ur God"(rough quote)
D. " and the head of man is Christ, and the head of christ is God".

Look at jesus statement after the accusations " because I said, I am the son of God?"
Angel gabriel did not tell Mary she will give birth to God almighty or a part of God almighty ,he said "Gods son".

When jesus asks his disciples, "who do you think I am" , they said " son of the living God "


U say soul cannot die? The bible says "the soul that is sinning will die!"
Pls show where it is said that the soul is immortal or that adam was giving a soul or that the soul leaves the body at death?.

If jesus is "word of God" cus he was giving birth to by word, are the angels "word of god" too.?

Is the bible the word of God, and why?

Teekrayne:
......... I repeat, I said I only used "muslims" for u to understand my question......

BRO, I still dnt understand you o, is my answer correct , in relation to the question you asked ? If its not, can you kindly rephrase the question.

I have not seen ur oppinion on my answers to the other questions. Ill like to hear ur view on my answers.

Teekrayne:
.......... Perhaps my question was not clear enough! I never meant to say he prayed like muslims by reciting what muslims recite when they are about to pray. I only used "muslims" for you to understand my question. Do you get it?

To answer ur question, you have to tell me what muslims recite when they pray, and if such recitation can be in any language

Modified: scratch the above. I misunderstood ur post. But pls can you expanciate on what you mean by jesus praying the way muslims do?

parisbookaddict:
There are about 51 (or so) Islamic countries. U mentioned the ones that are progressing bEcause of their close ties with western powers and their oil wealth gotten from sales to "kaffirs".
The Saudis enjoy western lifestyle and UAE, Oman, Malaysia, Qatar, Kuwait are very very secular for an Islamic country. Sudan is a terrible society, why did u include it in your list. Sudanese Muslims have killed south Sudanese for decades.
The vast majority of Islamic countries are disgusting intolerant societies.

Anywhere their is a large of enough population of Muslims that place will be backward. Eg Libya, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Palestine, Nigeria just to mention a few.

The U.A.E- the the population of the locals is far less than the expatriates , the whole economy is is sustained by foreigners, so how can there not be peace when they already know the result of fighting foreigners and their religion .

They say u.a.e is a Muslim country , yet they allow the selling, buying and drinking of alcohol. Is that Islamic? .
Do christians pay jizra in u.a.e?
Does the u.a.e adhere to Islamic dress code for women.

It is evident that that country does not fully practice islam .

Malaysia- in 2011 , malaysia was named the 10th largest consumer of alcohol .

Evidence shows malaysia does not adhere strictly to Islamic laws, hence there is peace there.

All others maintain peace through oppression of others e.g S.A . They do not allow/limit/ or make near imposible shias employment in the military, teaching profession or aramco. They must get permit before they build there mosque.

Other religions are not even allowed to gather in peace .

lexiconkabir:
@dolphinheart, my chat with you is leading no where, cuz you are refusing my answers which i am giving. and i have decided to stop my chat with you right here.

I have not refused any of ur answers , I just wanted clarity on the answers you gave .

Though you did not give a direct answer to if Satan as a being eats food, but the site u directed me to says jinns eat food. So I'm led to believe that Satan as a jinn eats food , which makes these statement " satan does not really eat food" wrong!.

I also accept ur answer that if you have valid reasons for eating with ur left hand , then there is no evil there even if the hand is unhygienic . I just wanted a clarification you refuse to give me , who gives the valid reason, ur books or the individual concerned?, so as to nulify the evil in eating with left hand.

on ur explanation on eating with both hands, I found out u did not fully understand my question , hence I rephrased and added pictures so u can get my drift. This you have refused to answer or touch.
Also in that explanation, I do accept ur view, just still find it hard to believe that the evil act drinking a cup of water with ur left hand will be removed if you support the cup with ur right hand.

U might not reply me with answers, but I will still reply this thread on angels and sex

Teekrayne:
........ Have u heard of the fact that Jesus Christ(pbuh) once fell to the ground on his face and prayed to his God just like the muslims do?

I know that jesus fell with his face to the ground to pray, but never heard of jesus fall to the ground to pray like muslims do . Mt 26:39.

Bowing with there face to the ground have also been done by orientals who worshiped idols before islam .

lexiconkabir:
@dolphinheart. And you claim you wanted to know the truth?? I directed you to a site, and you read just 2 or 3 paragraphs and picked things there out of context just to find a means of winning an argument, smh. Well thank God you agreed that i "tried to" answer your questions. now can you please tell me what you know about satan and the story of angels having sex? if you dont answer that this time, then it will prove that you are just out to bash islam!

I wanted to know the truth if really the being called 'Satan" eats and drink food. You have not stated it and the site did not say so either.

Wonder why its hard for you to give me a simple answer like " yes, he eats food " or "no, he does not eat food".

I asked you about the source/ directive/ procedure of valid reason for eating with a left hand . Pls respond to that .

I re-explained what I meant by eating with both hands , you have not stated if its evil or not

I'm not arguing with you , just asking questions so I could fully understand what you are telling me.

If there is other statement that discusses Satan eating on that website,pls let me know and ill apologise for not quoting it

I will surely answer ur question , but you know you have refused to fully answer mine

Empiree:
bcus you are "DOLPHIN" -HEART

Verry funny.

lexiconkabir:
@dolphinheart you asked if satan eat to get energy like humans, well click on this site www.islamreligion.com/articles/669/viewall/world-of-jinn/ everything about jinns are detailed on that site, i am refering you to that site cuz satan is a jinn. about the case of someone suffering from a disability of the righthand having the left hand as the main hand , let me make this clear, i never said that the lefthand is evil, but when you use it to eat intentionally without any valid reason then it becomes an act of satan. yes if you have a disability refraining you from using your right hand then you can eat with your left hand. eating with two hands, well my view on this is, since the right hand is very ok, you're not permitted to eat with the lefthand, the only case i know of is when you want to drink water, you can hold with you lefthand, but pushed into the mouth with your right hand(i.e if you are eating a food with your barehand and you dont want to stain the cup). i hope i addressed your questions this time.

Since you have decided not tell directly if Satan eats or not , I decided to try and look for that answer in ur site. This is what I found

(In many aspects of
their world, the Jinn
are very similar to us.
They eat and drink,
they marry, have
children and they die.
The life span
however, is far greater
then ours. Like us,
they will also be
subject to a Final
Reckoning by God the
Most High. They will
be present with
mankind on the Day of
Judgment and will
either go to Paradise
or Hell.)

With this, adding to the fact that you say Satan is a jinn.
Can I rightly make this statements.
A. Satan is a jinn
B. Jinns eat food
C. Satan eats food.

If this statements are correct, then the man that said Satan eats is correct! And the post that said Satan does not really eat is wrong!
So if one already knows that Satan eats food and mphamed says Satan eats with his left hand, can one not then say that the being called Satan, physically eats food with his left hand? I will like to hear ur view on this.
I want to tell me if yes or no, that the being called Satan eats food. Then tell me if he/it eats this food for sustenance.


I did not say you said left hand is evil , I thought you guys are taking about an action (eating) with the left hand as an act of evil.
So eating with the left hand is no longer evil or unhygienic or Satan if you have a valid reason!?
Are those valid reason stated in ur scriptures or anyone can derive a valid reason for not eating with the right hand.?
Cus there are a lot of different reasons why someone can decide not to eat with my right hand.


Seems you did not get my question on eating with both hands at the same time.
I mean is it evil to put food or rather hold food with ur two Hands so that you can eat it. Can I use my two hands to hold a burger to bite it?

Now u say I must use a right hand to push a cup of water in my left hand to drink, I believe this action goes beyond hygeine and reels of religious undertone. Cus using ur right hand to push a cup in ur left hand to ur mouth can in no way clear the evil in the hand or cup.
Thank you for trying to answer my questions.

Empiree:
why are you taking this personal. ...just bcus I said "eja". Shaking my head. You should be happy you got attention lol

I don't see anything derogatory in that bro. Calm down

You are right, you might not see anything derogatory in that.
Tell me, why did you use that word?

Teekrayne:
........ Thank you so very much. Pheeewww!!! I smell relief. If you were a pedagogue, the highest grade that'll be obtainable in any of your course would be a "C".... Its not flattery; that's my point of view...........! It baffles me how christians worship their God in most churches. They play drum set, tambourine, piano, guitar, clap their hands, sing and they play all sorts of music related instruments..... My question goes as thus! No. 1. Was that how Jesus Christ(peace be upon him) worshipped his God when he was alive? No. 2, is it written in the bible that Christians should worship God in that manner? No. 3, some female pastors preach the gospel while their hair is opened, does your religion permit that? No.4, how did mary dress when she was alive?..... Thanks

Bro, my questions are asked just so that I can learn o.

Dnt think most churches worship God the same way, expecially when it comes to singing praises to God. so one has to be specific about the method , but since you made mention of use of instrument and singing, ill give you first a straight answer , followed up by further explanations.

On question 1.
Yes jesus did sing with his disciples , though no mention was made on instruments there, but the bible helps us to know about its use in singing and worship. The prove of these statement is found in mark 14 :26 :-
New International Version
When they had sung a hymn,
they went out to the Mount of
Olives.


Now let's go to music(singing and instruments) and christianity in general using the scriptures as guide.

Music is one of the gifts of God by which man can or use to render praise and thanksgiving to his Creator as well as give expression to his emotions, his sorrows and joys.
Singing has been used in the worship of God, and musical instruments too, has played a vital role. It has served not only to accompany the vocalists but also to complement their singing.
both vocal and instrumental music abound in the Bible from beginning to end, in association with true worship
and otherwise.

Ge 4:21;
New International Version

His brother's name was Jubal;
he was the father of all who
play stringed instruments and
pipes.( probably musical profession)

Ge 31:27;
New International Version

Why did you run off secretly
and deceive me? Why didn't
you tell me, so I could send
you away with joy and singing
to the music of timbrels and
harps?
(Labans statement to Jacob)


1Ch 25:1;
New International Version

David, together with the
commanders of the army, set
apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman and Jeduthun
for the ministry of prophesying, accompanied by harps, lyres and cymbals. Here is the list of the men who performed this
service:

Re 18:22.;
New International Version
The music of harpists and
musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again. No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again. The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.
(the future of some mordern day churches)

Song and instrumental accompaniment marked the celebration of the deliverance at the Red Sea and the victorious returns from battle
of Jephthah, David, and Saul.—
Ex 15:20, 21;
Jg 11:34;
1Sa 18:6, 7 .

On each of the two occasions
that were involved in transporting the Ark to Jerusalem, vocalists
and instrumentalists were
present. ( 1Ch 13:8; 15:16)

In the later years of David’s life, God, through his prophets Nathan and Gad, directed the establishment of the music organization for the sanctuary.—
1Ch 23:1-5;
2Ch 29:25, 26
(to show you that God planned,arranged and approved singing with musical instruments)

Though not as prominent as in the hebrew scriptures, Christian who lived during the time the new testaments or scriptures where written also know about using Instrumental music in connection with true worship.
in a figurative sense it is mentioned in Revelations 14:2);

Other examples of singing:
Ac 16:25;
Eph 5:18, 19;
Col 3:16)
1 Cor 14:15
Re 5:8-10;
Re14:3;
Re15:2-4.


On question 2
The scriptures said we should do all things in modesty,for Gods glory and we should consider others .

Pr 8:13, 14
Mt 23:12
Ro 14:19-21;
1Co 10:23-33.

So if a church uses his singing and worship to disturb others and distrupt the peace and quiet in an area, that action is not acceptable to God.

If a church use instruments in a way that portray worldly conotations, it is not acceptable to God .

If a church emphasis more on musical instrumental use, or vocal quality more than the actual praise, then there is something wrong .



On question 3

Women are not to minister in church( by my definition of pastor) It does not matter if she covers her head or not cus she can't be a pastor. My religion does not permit that,
in a congregation.’— 1Co
14:31-35.


On question 4. I do not know how Mary dressed when she was alive. Dnt know if she has a style or different styles of dressing. She must have probably dressed like most other modest hebrew women of her time. Each group/tribe/ race/culture have different dress codes.

lexiconkabir:
post the questions again, note: only the questions are required. i will answer them if i can, the one that i do not answer, i will surely get back to you. *modified* i have seen the question, let me answer them in the next frame.

Nop, wunt do that, you go to where there questiions are asked and answer them, its not far, and neither is the thread too large for you not to be able to locate it

BishopMagic:
Rubbish

And that rubbish move has enabled the to be a parasitic yeast abi!? To take resources from others right? Wonderful .

BishopMagic:
The question will go a long way in debunking that your ancestors opened their doors to colonialism without a fight in order to halt the impending jihad from the north and near anarchy brought about by your people to properly govern themselves and live side by side in peace.


So answer the damn question or forever stfu!

If I get you right, cowards who where having internal conflicts and external aggression use colonialism to solve their multiple problems in just one move. Wow! What a wise tribe that they did not choose uneccesarry death as solution!.

[quote author=BishopMagic post=37013511]A coward dies a thousand times but a soldier lives but once - Julies Ceaser.[/quote

You are definitely right. - Marc Anthony .