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@ syncan and johnydon22

The view I follow on homosexuality .

The Bible does not promote
prejudice against people.
However, its view of homosexual acts is clear.
“Do not practice
homosexuality, having sex
with another man as with a
woman. It is a detestable sin. --Leviticus 18:22.

As part of the Mosaic Law, this
prohibition was one of many
moral laws given specifically to
the nation of Israel. Even so, the commandment expresses God’s view of homosexual acts, whether by Jews or non-Jews, when it says: “It is a detestable thing.”

Those Gods view change for christians later on ?
These question is important as christians are not under the mosaic law and are not obligated to carry out its laws.

Consider the following scripture:

"24 So God abandoned them
to do whatever shameful
things their hearts desired. As
a result, they did vile and
degrading things with each
other’s bodies. 25 They traded
the truth about God for a lie.
So they worshiped and served
the things God created instead
of the Creator himself, who is
worthy of eternal praise!
Amen. 26 That is why God
abandoned them to their
shameful desires. Even the
women turned against the
natural way to have sex and
instead indulged in sex with
each other. 27 And the men,
instead of having normal
sexual relations with women,
burned with lust for each
other. Men did shameful things
with other men, and as a result
of this sin, they suffered within
themselves the penalty they
deserved.”— Romans 1:24 - 27.

Here homosexual acts is described as "shameful".

This is what the scriptures said those who practise the act , along with other shameful and malicious sins deserve

" 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them,too."

Are we christians required to carry out this justice on behalf of God?. The answer is no .

while the Bible does not condemn those who struggle with homosexual tendencies, it
in no way condones giving in to those tendencies, whether they are the result of genetics or they stem from some other source.


"21 I have discovered this
principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
22 I love God’s law with all my
heart. 23 But there is another
power e within me that is at
war with my mind. This power
makes me a slave to the sin
that is still within me. 24 Oh,
what a miserable person I am!
Who will free me from this life
that is dominated by sin and
death? 25 Thank God! The
answer is in Jesus Christ our
Lord. So you see how it is: In
my mind I really want to obey
God’s law, but because of my
sinful nature I am a slave to
sin." -- Romans 7:21-25

"27 I discipline my body like an
athlete, training it to do what it
should. Otherwise, I fear that
after preaching to others I
myself might be disqualified -- 1 Corinthians 9:27


Instead, the Bible offers
practical assistance and
encouragement to help
individuals to win the fight
against homosexual practices.

What Is God’s Will for People
With Homosexual Desires?
The Bible assures us that God’s will is that “all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” ( 1 Timothy 2:4)

Though the Bible disapproves of homosexual acts, it does not encourage hatred of
homosexuals.
God’s view of homosexuality
cannot be watered down. At
1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, the Bible
clearly states that “men who lie with men” are included in those who “will not inherit God’s kingdom.” But verse 11 adds the comforting thought: “And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of
our God.”

Clearly, those who sincerely
desired to worship God on his
terms were warmly welcomed
into the early Christian
congregation. The same is true
today for all honesthearted ones who seek God’s approval—not by reinterpreting the Bible—but by bringing their lives into harmony with it.

Other questions that might be asked :
Does the Bible discriminate
against people with
homosexual desires?—
1 Timothy 2:4.

Is it possible to abstain from
homosexual acts?—
1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Shouldn’t Christians respect all people, regardless of their
sexual orientation?
--1 Peter 2:17)
— Matthew 7:12.

How should members of the congregation who are found to partake in homosexual acts to be treated. ?
Mt 18:15-17
1Co 5:5, 11, 13

What will happen to the congregation if this is not done.
Re 2:5
1Co 5:5, 6.
2Co 2:10, 11

Emusan:
The bold part shows that you need to go back to elementary school.

And I've told you that your questions didn't interest me, what else do you want?



Now you're talking but to say because I extracted a part of your post THEN I MUST ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS is nonsensical. but don't worry if it seems good to me to answer I will.

The truth is you're not seeking for the truth!



I can see your problem, whereas the use of my ONLY in that post is the reference I made to WHEN QUESTION IS BEING THROWN TO YOU which I take to mean you can dodge someone question BUT ALWAYS WANT YOUR OWN QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED. I didn't claim is your word!

Is it clear now?

You can abuse or use derogatory words all day, I'm not going to go to that level with you. Was not raised in that format.

the issue is I Made a post in which I asked some questions . The questions are part of the post and I intend anybody replying that post to answer the questions that is part of that post. You now replied or rather jumped into the post and did not answer the questions. These I have issues with as such procedures could mean it is no longer a disscusion but an argument which I will not participate in. Thus I'm saying if you want to discuss the issues laid down in my post, pls answer t he questions asked if you know them. From there we can have a better understanding of each others views and move on from there. I dnt think I've asked for the impossible . Dnt want to go into throwing questions up and down with no one answering each other, let's do it one at a time . And pls no mumble jumble answers pls.

If my questions dnt interest you, then leave my post for those who have interest in the question na!

I dnt like people extracting part of a whole . Extracting parts does not give a whole, precise overview of what the person who posted the whole is trying to say. Extracting part shows there is something sinister in the extractors intent as might not be able to handle the whole message.

Its good you can now see my problem. Only that you have not acted on such knowledge as you have done it again! Pls stop the twisting!!
I'm not dodging ur questions! Ur questions will be answered or not answered , but the questions in the initial post must be answered and cleared away first before me move on to others .

There is no where I stated or implied that I always want my own question to be answered! You like twist twist! I asked questions in a post, its a major part of the post, if you want to discuss that posts, then you have to answer the questions, if you dnt want to answer leave the post and stop using questions to cover or answer initial questions posted.

Syncan:
Ehm... In case you don't know, the conversation between you two has caught my interest. dolphinheart it's your turn abeg.

Good it has caught ur interest, ill reply both you and him here.

My question was on what the bible say about homosexuals, expecially those who practice homosexuality.
I realised later by his answer that someone who is not a Christian or who has a wrong view about christianity would/might answer the question in a wrong way which will thing is right due to his own understanding of the bible.
I had a vague understanding of his reply but I do understand the direction of the reply, That's why I added "if that's only what the bible says" and "christians" in my next reply to him.
If he does not know the mindset I used in asking the question , at least you can now realise that I'm asking about what the bible says to christians on how to handle homosexuality and how God views such acts.

He replied by posting lev 20:13 which says "kill them " and rom 1:32 which says they deserve death.

Now what is my view on w hat the bible say about homosexuality. This I will state in my next post, kindly hold on for a while ok

Emusan:
If I have had intention to answer your questions it won't cause me anything but I don't have interest on them. Like I said earlier I didn't quote you for YOU TO REPLY MY POST (or didn't I say it?) but I only quote you to SHOW YOU how those verses you so agreed with fortified your organization teaching.



So the word ONLY is your problem now?
But you're asking my to answer YOUR questions.

The questions are an integral part of the post, you can't leave it out if you want to reply to my post. If you are really interest in what I said in those post and you want to contribute to the discussion, you need to answer the questions in the post. Getting bible based answers to those questions will help me, you and everyone reading this thread to have a better understanding of the issues under discussion . If you can answer them, pls share it with us.

Yes! , the "only" is my problem, dnt like it when people say or imply that I said or imply what I did not say or imply.

johnydon22:
then read the post again, slowly this time

Still dnt understand you, is that the only thing the scriptures said about them? And how christians should handle such issues?

johnydon22:
then read the post again, slowly this time

Still dnt understand you, is that the only thing the scriptures said about them?

Yooguyz:
Stop quoting scriptures out of context, was it homosexual acts the bible condemened? Or the homosexual himself?

Haba! What bible scriptures have I quoted now!? Talk less of quoting out of context.? I'm only asking questions na.

What's the difference between homosexual acts and homosexual .

johnydon22:
Leviticus 20:13
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman,
both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.



Ok bro, you heard the bible now get to work. . God will be pleased

Dnt understand you.

krattoss:
if they re suspended, they wont celebrate the holy mass. They ve been relieved of their duties untill the suspension expires


n/b... A roman catholic priest cannot be reversed. They re priest forever according to melchizadek of old.
Thats what they believe thoor.

What about the third question .

Great0:
The dead saint are conscious in a different way to those alive.
Then conscious in which area...... Cry to God for vengeance.
Revelation 6:10&11
6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

With ur explanation, that means the scriptures that stated that the dead are conscious of nothing at all is false abi?
The one that says the dead have no though or some emotions nko.?
What of the one that said the dead do not praise God.?

If there is activity for the dead, then these verses are wrong right?

Can someone pls give more info on the Satan touching infant issue! I want to know more!

krattoss:
well, if they re been caught or exposed, they re been suspended in accordance with their rules.

Pls what does suspension entail ?
What can or cant he do when suspended?

Once caught and suspended, what is his relationship with the church and its members?

Yooguyz:
The man is right, I don't see any reason why he should be excomminicated.

How does the scriptures say we should handle fornicators among us (christians)?

What does the bible say about men who lie with men ?.
What does the bible say about men who use their bodies for unnatural purposes?

krattoss:
its true.

But not all

Its true!!!? So what has the church done about it? Has it excommunicated them?

Emusan:
it Isn't an excuse! Coming from someone who insisted his only questions MUST BE ANSWERED but forgotten that sometimes he also boycotts questions throw to him.

I made a post in which some questions are asked. If you are interested in contributing to the post with a reply, pls endeavor to answer the questions contained in the post. If you can't answer it, pls let us know.
Dnt use questions to answer questions, we are not arguing!

Stop accussing me with what I did not say, I did not say only my questions should be answered! Stop twisting words!

Emusan:
Lame excuse, I know you can't refute those points, by the way like I said I'm not asking you to answer my questions but I only show you a snippet of your organization wrong teaching.

It is not an excuse, questions where asked, you decided to reply on the post , but refuse to answer the questions in it? Why? Is it because you dnt know the answer? If you do, pls share it with everyone on these thread before we go to other matters.

Answer those questions first before attempting to show any other thing! .

Great0:
Bible cannot contradict itself, just that man need understanding of it.
The dead cannot do things the living do. The portion of the verse i wrote down talks of the cries of the saints for vengeance, and The Lord said they should wait for their brethren in earth to be redeemed too. Abel blood come up before the Lord crying does not mean that Abel still do what he normally do when alive(Genesis 4:10).
Let me summarise it here that the only thing they do is crying for vengeance, i have never see where in bible that they do another things. So their conscious is only on crying. My grammar is poor but overlook it

Bro, the question is related to the statement " conscious of nothing".
Does it mean that they are conscious in a different way to the consciousness of those alive?
I want a clear statement on this .

Great0:
How you ask me question have some atheist characters display on it. But if you are, not time for atheism discussion.
Your question: i have never visited world of the dead before to know as they do but according to scripture dead saints cry for vengeance. so they are aware of their conditions after death.

So is the bible contradicting itself when it said that " the dead are conscious of nothing"? Or what do you understand by that statement? Pls note the word "contradiction" is part of a question and does not denote my view of the bible .

Emusan:
It's like you don't normally take into consideration the teaching of your organization before you you use Biblical reference to support your claim sometimes.

From these scriptures you said "Note, those verses talked about those who are dead and who are alive."

Now if these verses are talking about both the DEAD and the LIVING, let's consider some key points here.

[b]1. "we also believe that when [size=14pt]Jesus returns, God will bring back with him[/size] the believers who have died."

NOTE: Your organization claimed that Jesus had return in 1914 but according to this verse where are the believers God brings with Jesus at His return?

2. "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven" Please what does it mean to COME DOWN from heaven? because your organization says the return of Jesus is spiritual and not physical

3. "with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God." according to your organization Jesus return in 1914, please is there any historical record of A SHOUT and TRUMPET OF GOD?

4. "Then, together with them, [size=14pt]we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds[/size] to meet the Lord in the air." According to your organization ONLY 144,000 will make heaven and the selection of these saints has already stopped.So, Has this statement been fulfilled? If No! Then, will the 144,000 be resurrected back here on earth again? If Yes! Why your organization says these 144,000 are already ruling with Jesus in heaven? If No! Who are the people that will meet the LORD in the air again? Will this MEETING THE LORD IN THE AIR happen before Armageddon or After? If it will happen before Armageddon, why your organization never teaches MEETING THE LORD before Armageddon? If it will happen after Armageddon that means it's not everybody that will live forever on your paradise earth and your organization never says anything about that.

5. "Then we will be with the Lord forever." this statement meant for both the DEAD and the ones ALIVE who will MEET THE LORD in the AIR, please will this include the 144,000 saints who are already ruling with Jesus in heaven again or another race entirely?[/b]

I'm not saying you should answer all my questions but by considering those questions with the scriptures in view we know that JWs teachings regard the end time fall out woefully and contradict the scriptures.

I asked some questions in that post, if you felt you needed to reply a post that was not directed to you, pls answer those questions according to the way it was asked!

If you really want to answer those questions, pls add this to it too
(o)when do you think this ressurection start?. Before these scripture was written or after.?

Of all the issues discussed here, na that one of Satan touching a baby concern me most. Can someone give more explanation on that? Is that why babies cry at night?

Great0:
let me explain it to you well.
Noah died before Abraham. That will not make the place to Answer Noah bosom. The bosom is the name of the place not that Abraham is up then other people is beneath, no.
The name of the place all the dead saints await for rapture are called Abraham Bosom.

Are dead saints who await ur rapture conscious/aware of there condition after death? Do they have knowledge/ thinking ability/ feeling in abrahams bossom?

crusadistic:
"if they wanted to"

You mean they did not want to? Why did they not want to ?

crusadistic:
the Islamic Caliphate could have wiped out the entire jewish race long ago before the so-called six days wars if they wanted to.

Could, but did not , can you tell us why?

Haba! You want them to lose their source of income? Those churches have learnt long ago that following jesus will not make them rich , the kind of riches that they now have, there main goal. So as humanity goes from bad to worse , they have to adjust with it to maintain status quo.

haffaze777:
u funny die,u think any of dem will be about to answer dah?nah ,they're buch of liar & confused soul

Dnt think I'm included in that "any of them" o, or I'm I?

@ OLAADEGBU
You posted some scriptures let's examine them

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; :- And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the
believers who have died so
you will not grieve like people
who have no hope. 14 For
since we believe that Jesus
died and was raised to life
again, we also believe that
when Jesus returns, God will
bring back with him the
believers who have died.
15 We tell you this directly
from the Lord: We who are still
living when the Lord returns
will not meet him ahead of
those who have died. g 16 For
the Lord himself will come
down from heaven with a
commanding shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and
with the trumpet call of God.
First, the Christians who have
died h will rise from their
graves. 17 Then, together with
them, we who are still alive
and remain on the earth will be
caught up in the clouds to
meet the Lord in the air. Then
we will be with the Lord
forever. 18 So encourage each
other with these words.

What do we learn from these .
First ur notion of spirit/soul joining with flesh is not written here. So the general notion that jesus took some people to heaven at his ressurection is false.
We learn from verse 14 that "God will" and not "God has" done this ressurection as at the time this scripture was written.
Verse 15 to 18 gives us a time frame and procedure for these ressurection and ascension to heaven .

Note, those verses talked about those who are dead and who are alive. This brings the question, (a)where are those who died in faith before these ressurection occurs?
(b)After the event occurs, would there still be people alive on earth?(c) What will be there eventual outcome.?(d) Is that resurrection the only resurrection ?I will like you to try and answer those questions.


Corinthians 15:50-54 :- 50 What I am saying, dear
brothers and sisters, is that
our physical bodies cannot
inherit the Kingdom of God.
These dying bodies cannot
inherit what will last forever.
51 But let me reveal to you a
wonderful secret. We will not
all die, but we will all be
transformed! 52 It will happen
in a moment, in the blink of an
eye, when the last trumpet is
blown. For when the trumpet
sounds, those who have died
will be raised to live forever.
And we who are living will also
be transformed. 53 For our
dying bodies must be
transformed into bodies that
will never die; our mortal
bodies must be transformed
into immortal bodies.


What do we learn from here.
We also did not see any mention of joining of our body with our soul here.

In verse 50 , a statement was made , our physical bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Some other translations use "flesh and blood" . This statement throws out ur false view on ressurection , ur statements that our soul will join with our body and go to heaven, for such type of body , perfect or imperfect cannot enter heaven.
(f)So what type of body will people who go to heaven have ? 1 peter 3:18 , 1 cor 15:35- 35 , 1 cor 15: 44 helps us to answer that question . It is a spiritual body giving by God and not a physical flesh and bone that you lies is talking about.

Now the question comes again,(g) what happens after these things occur, (h)what will be the fate of those left on earth ?
(I)Is there any other ressurection after the resurrection mentioned in these scriptures?(j) If yes, who will they be,why where they not part of the initial resurrection.(k) And if they are ressurected, where does the bible say they will go?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 :-
Now may the God of peace
make you holy in every way,
and may your whole spirit and
soul and body be kept
blameless until our Lord Jesus
Christ comes again.

This scripture did not say they will join back at ressurection, it did not even state they will be seperated at death, I wonder where you got ur analogy from. Have you not read what the bible said will happen at someones death? His spirit goes out, he goes back to the ground on that day, his thoughts do perish.!
(l) what does the bible says happens to mans spirit at death , (m) Wht does the bible says happens to souls at death, (n) what does the bible say happens to human bodies at death?
If you want to answer pls dnt reply with the "soul/ spirit" again, use the word "soul and spirit", 'the one you said it means so that ur lies can be manifest !

OLAADEGBU:
Does the use of the word "all" include Jesus?



All died except Enoch.



If not the spiritual realm where else could he have gone, could he be hanging in the sky or dumped on another planet?



The scriptures said he was taken to heaven, end of story.



Yes, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God and that is the reason you have to be born again.



Get an afterlife and become part of the next batch that gets raptured, that's if you are not dead by then.



Have you not heard of I.O.U.'s? How can someone spend cash they did not have?



Read Luke 16:22



Get a proper Bible and read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 for the resurrection and rapture of the saints.

I meant spirit and soul. See 1 Thessalonians 5:23



They pleased God because without faith it is impossible to please Him.



Can you imagine yourself spending cash you do not have, is it possible? The shedding of the blood of lambs was a shadow or type of the real thing to come, the blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. They shed the blood of animals in the anticipation of the blood of the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the whole world.



I answer you as I deem fit until you learn to respond in the conventional way. Until you do the necessary arrangements check out the verses I quoted above for your answers.

You have just shown us that it is either you have a vague understanding of what you are talking about or you now know that answering those questions one by one and truthfully will only expose ur fine tuned lies.

You have decided to muddle it up so that ur lies will not be easy to discern and then add some bible verses to make people feel u are truthful.

I have thus concluded that your refusal to answer those questions in a truthful , simple , straightforward manner has shown that ur explanation on elijah and enoch is false, full of holes, unscriptural .

U asked me if the "all " includes jesus. These question shows you did not read the verse or u read it but did not understand or you are just trying to create a diversion. Did you not read the first part of that verse? Do you not understand the chronology therein.
If you are not through that man, then all other aspect do not apply to you. But if you are through that Man, sin is in you.
Read romans 3:20-25 to get a better understanding.

Enoch is included in the "all" mentioned in heb 11:13 . Any exclusion is done by you and not the scriptures.


I asked you question on "heaven" which you refused to answer.
If elijah did not go to the spirit realm, then he definitely went to the other places that the scriptures has used heaven to describe . There is irrevocable evidence that he was still active on earth after the chariot had taken him away .

Ill shed more light on the scriptures you posted in my next post, those scriptures negates ur lies.

I will not go into ur mumble jumble reply , but I will say this.
Animal blood or their own blood could not have redeemed enoch and elijah and giving them the opportunity to enter gods presence. The scripture makes it clear that it is through jesus shed blood and name that man can enter heaven. To cannot spend money that you have not been giving or that is not already yours, doing so is called stealing !



You refuse to answer the question on the location of paradise during enoch and elijahs time because you know that doing so will show ur lies to the whole world in full colour .
You refuse to answer my question on rapture because you know that doing so will call into question all ur other lies.

koice:
-Mad Max: Road Fury

Lived up to hype. Bunch of psychos on parade, lolz. Arguably the most action packed movie I've had the privilege of seeing within the first 5 months of 2015. Yup, you heard right, Furious 7, and Age of Ultron don't quite measure up to this epic blockbuster. I'm officially a fan of Tom Hardy.

Totally agree o. See madness!

When I see the madness of others, I come dey wonder, which kain madness max wan show us na! I suspect say dem do admit the director for yaba left at one time or the other in the past!

johnw74:
@bolded, Now there is a perfect example of the god of this world blinding an unbeliever.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

I believe my questions are clear and understandable, Why dnt you want to give me an answer?

@ OLAADEGBU

Oga! , I said mizjanet asked you a question and you have not answered her!. Is that taking sides!? Do you take sides on scriptural issues? If you do or assume others are taking sides against you, then you have very long way to go!. I only referred to mizjanet question, not mizjanet views or beliefs.



1. Ur reply tells a lot about you.
I asked you the following :U said enoch and elijah did not die, how do you explain the statement that "all have died because they have sinned" ?

You have refused to answer or give ur understanding of the statement .

My biblical reference to the statement is stated below.

ROM 5:12 :- Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

Did you notice the use of the word "all several times there?.

So pls answer Q1.


2. My question was :U said I twist the scriptures, did you not read Hebrews11:13? . Was apostle paul wrong in saying they all ( all the people mentioned from verse 1including enoch) Died?

You have skipped the question 2, pls answer it .

Heb 11:13 :- These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were
strangers and pilgrims on the
earth.


3. I asked you: U say I twist the scriptures, I want to ask you, does all reference the word heaven in the bible mean the spiritual abode of God? .

Pls answer.

Are there references to the word heaven meaning something else than the spiritual realm?

Pls answer.

If yes, how then do we
understand what that
reference mean?
You are right in agreeing with others who have said earlier that it is the context in which the word "heaven " was included that helps us to understand what that word means. So therefore, any mention of heaven does not directly mean " the spiritual realm " . So therefore you can't directly use the word heaven as used in elijahs case as a direct Defence of ur false analogy.




4. You stated thus: Elijah's prophecy was given before his translation it was only delivered after he got caught up to heaven.

Your lies has now started to grow tentacles . The scriptures never made mention of elijah being caught up to heaven . The scriptures never said elijah had any translation.
Stop trying to link elijah issue with enoch to come up with a false idea.

Elijah letter was giving to a King in isreal who ruled several years after the chariot incident. Go and read up the events of elijah and his successor elisha again, read up their activities and their conversations with those kings, read up on the chronology of those kings . Then come back and tell us if elijah wrote that letter before elisha became his successor or not. The scriptures will expose ur lies.


5. I asked you : Have you not read that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God?.

You have not answered the question


6.I asked you : In ur own words, can you explain how a human can cleans himself of his inherited sin to be able to enter into Gods holy presence for a first time.

It seems you did not read the question before jumping into "save by grace " and not save by organization statements you made.

How did they enter into Gods presence when that grace has not been given ?

They inherited sin from their parents, the bible helps us to understand that only a perfect person can redeem us from such state. Where did elijah get the perfect ransome before. Jesus gave his?




7. You are the one that needs to drop this heresy, of adding to what the scriptures did not tell ,teach or imply to you.
Where in the scriptures did it state that it was jesus that took elijah and enoch to heaven. You need to stop all this derived analogy and Stick to what the bible says.

Do you not read the bible at all . Do you not read of the importance of jesus shedding his blood before before man can be cleansed and enter into heaven?
Hebrews 10:19 - 22 :- And so, dear brothers and sisters, if we can boldly enter heaven’s Most Holy Place because of the blood of Jesus. By his death, g
Jesus opened a new and life-
giving way through the curtain
into the Most Holy Place.
And since we have a great
High Priest who rules over
God’s house, let us go right
into the presence of God with
sincere hearts fully trusting
him. For our guilty consciences have been
sprinkled with Christ’s blood to
make us clean, and our bodies
have been washed with pure
water.


If jesus has not shed his blood, how did elijah and enoch Imperfect humans enter into heaven.


8. Where was paradise when elijah and enoch went to heaven?

If paradise is now in heaven, where was it before?



9. pls can you show us where in the bible ur post on question 9 is written ?

Pls the word "spirit/soul" does it mean "spirit and soul", "spirit or soul" , "spirit with soul" or "spirit is soul".



10. Can you give us a summary of that good report.?


11. I asked : Why did Jesus die for our sins if there was another way we can be reconciled to God and enter paradise.

U said :There is no other way. The OT saints looked forward to the cross while NT saints look back at the cross for the forgiveness of their sins.

this shows you do not read ur bible.

They looked forward to the cross for forgiveness of wins yet they sacrificed animals for forgiveness of sins.

They look forward to the cross for forgiveness of sins yet you say they entered heaven when the incident that will legitimize their forgiveness has not occured . Imagine, you are granted bail before the demand for bail is met or paid.

Sir!, it was after the ransome had been paid that the issue of ascention to heaven ever came up anywhere in the scriptures, not before.!




I asked : In ur explanation of enoch and elijah, (a)when will there coming back to earth occur, before ur rapture or after ur rapture?. (b)What will happen to all those who did not go with the rapture? (c)Will there be a second rapture, will all those left behind all die or go to ur hell fire? (c)If some will later go to heaven, why where they not raptured in the first place?
You can see that my
questions and statements
where numbered, pls do not
give a muddled up reply.

You see the question where numbered from (a) to (d), you are muddling it up to cover ur fake reply . Pls reply accordingly.

johnw74:
Where was trinity doctrine mentioned? you are just derailing again I guess.
Don't worry I'm not getting into any discussion with you on trinity or anything else, I've seen how you go round and around in circles



Surely you know that much?
With Mat 22:24 "LORD" is referring to God and "Lord" is referring to the Word of God, who of course is God also as other scriptures show as well, and the word for both "LORD" and "Lord" in that verse is the same word "Kurios"

not "a god" showing jw bible to be bad translation

The thread has already been derailed.

I asked cus I wanted to get a better and clearer understanding of ur view on Matt 24:24.

Is that verse reffering to one kurios or more than one kurios?.
Cus i believe the verse make mention of someone talking to someone?
Or is it just one kurios talking to himself or there are two kurios involved. ?

What is God?.
Who is a God?

johnw74:
Where was trinity doctrine mentioned? you are just derailing again I guess.
Don't worry I'm not getting into any discussion with you on trinity or anything else, I've seen how you go round and around in circles



Surely you know that much?
With Mat 22:24 "LORD" is referring to God and "Lord" is referring to the Word of God, who of course is God also as other scriptures show as well, and the word for both "LORD" and "Lord" in that verse is the same word "Kurios"

not "a god" showing jw bible to be bad translation

I asked cus I wanted to get a better and clearer understanding of ur view on Matt 24:24.

Is that verse reffering to one kurios or more than one kurios?.
Cus i believe the verse make mention of someone talking to someone?
Or is it just one kurios talking to himself or there are two kurios involved. ?