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edrys:
You are not seeking the truth Bro. cos you already made up your mind not to learn or see anything good in Islam. Mind you, how was it possible for the Isrealite to carve a golden calf when Moses (ASW) went up the mount to collect the 10 commandments despite the fact that God led and help them to overcome their adversary on the way to promise land.

Wonder how you came to the conclusion that my mind is made up. This is an issue that I dnt fully have data on, hence i seek to know the truth by analysing statements for or against the beliefs mentioned in these thread. So pls if you do not or cannot answer these questions, dnt bother to reply it. I'm not going to go into personal views with you.

Isrealites.
They did try to worship God in a wrong way, this is different from worshiping other pagan Gods in the right way (that is what I'm starting to believe here).

So pls help and answer those questions .

OLAADEGBU:
Just as a kid of goat is still a goat equally the Son of God is also God.

Good, a kid of goat is still a goat.
The son of God can be said to be a God.
Likewise son of man is a man , and not man.

What does islam mean when it says something is a "symbol of allah" ?
When did it become a symbol?was it a symbol when the before hagar ran accross it seven times?
Why is it a symbol?

On ishmeals age issue
According to islam and their religious books , What was ishmaels age or age range as at the time he left with his mother?

Why did hagar leave with her son?

Who was the son abraham wanted to sacrifice, Isaac or Ishmael. ?
If its Ishmael, was he still a baby at that time?

On the cresent moon issue.
Does islam condemn the use of that symbol to represent islam? Is the use of that symbol Islamic?

I want or prefer a sincere , non abusive person to answer my questions.

Lastly , pls I need further explanation on how pagans misplaced/missed/changed/forgot the God they where serving with that ritual but did not actually misplace/miss/change/forget the process of that ritual.

@ OLAADEGBU

I asked : Where does the bible say soul goes after death?
You skipped that question, why? Pls answer in ur reply .



I asked ;What does the bible say happens to souls at death?
You sidestep the question , why ? Pls answer the question if you can.


I asked :What does the bible say happens to the spirit in man at death?

These is where we can apply eccl 12:7 u posted which says: and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave
it.

The verse poses some further question to you, I ask these cus of ur refusal to explain the bible verses you posted.
A. Does the spirit of man literarily go back to God when the man dies.? Thought some people say that some spirit goes straight to hell?
B. Some people believe that God is everywhere, so if the spirit goes back to God, does it go to a particular place e.g heaven, or does it go everywhere?
C. That verse says "God who gave it " . Why is the word "it" used if man is a spirit.? Does it not mean that the spirit is not man but rather something else that enables the man to be alive?


I Asked: What other spirit does the bible compare the spirit in man with?
You have not answered these question also.


I asked :What does the bible say happens to man at death?


You have refused to answer these question in detail. Though eccl 12:7 gives us some answers, but I believe the bible gives us further details.



I asked :What does/did God call man and animals.
These you have not answered also. Why?


You posted. Ecclesiastes 3:21;
Here is what that verse says:
(New International Version
Who knows if the human spirit
rises upward and if the spirit of
the animal goes down into the
earth?"

New Living Translation
For who can prove that the
human spirit goes up and the
spirit of animals goes down
into the earth?

King James Bible
Who knoweth the spirit of man
that goeth upward, and the
spirit of the beast that goeth
downward to the earth?)

Now can you answer the question in that verse? Do you know if the spirit of man goes upward or downward?




I asked : Where is paradise?
You posted Luke 23:43; these verse does not tell us where paradise is.

You posted Luke 16:22; these verse does not make mention of the word "paradise" and it also did not tell us where paradise is . If it does pls let us know.

You posted Ephesians 4:8-11; these verse does not make mention of paradise, neither did it tell us where paradise is. If I'm wrong pls explain I'm ur reply.



I asked :What happens to humans that don't experience the so called rapture after the so called rapture has come and gone?

You posted Matthew 24:6-8; which says:
(You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed.
Such things must happen, but
the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains

Are you saying this prophecy is about what will happen to humans after the so called rapture?
Thought jesus was talking to his followers about what will happen to them and the world in the last days. Are you saying there are people who will be followers of jesus after the rapture? If this is so, why are they not raptured initially? What will happen to those ones eventually(pls add scripture).

You posted 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; which says:
(13 And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the believers who have died f so you will not grieve like people who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will
bring back with him the believers who have died.
15 We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died. g 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died h will rise from their graves. 17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be
caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. 18 So encourage each other with these words.)

It seems you dnt really understand the question with these verse you posted. I asked what happens to humans Who are on earth "after" and not "before" or "during" the so called rapture . Abi humans no go dey earth again after the rapture?


You also posted 5:3, 9, which says :
(3 While people are saying,
“Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
9 For God did not appoint us to
suffer wrath but to receive
salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.)

Pls read the question again.



I asked: When did humans start going to heaven , before or after the ransome was payed?

You posted Hebrews 11:4, 5 which says:
(4 By faith Abel brought God
a better offering than Cain did.
By faith he was commended
as righteous, when God spoke
well of his offerings. And by
faith Abel still speaks, even
though he is dead.
5 By faith Enoch was taken
from this life, so that he did not
experience death: “He could
not be found, because God
had taken him away.” a For
before he was taken, he was
commended as one who
pleased God.

Sir, i did not see "heaven" in those verses , neither did those verses say Abel and enoch went to heaven.
That enoch was taken away does not mean he went to heaven.
Do you think there is need for a ransom if man can gain enter heaven. ? What are the conditions man must meet to enter heaven, did these people meet them?


You think you have used the scriptures to answer the questions , but you have not , posting bible verses is not the answer, explaining those verses in relation to ur beliefs is the right way to do things , anybody can post hundreds of verses without explaining them.

People and false teachings sha!

You believe but wunt use the scriptures as the basis for ur explanation!
Where does the bible say soul goes after death?
What does the bible say happens to souls at death?
What does the bible say happens to the spirit in man at death?
What other spirit does the bible compare the spirit in man with?
What does the bible say happens to man at death?
What does/did God call man and animals.
Where is paradise?
What happens to humans that don't experience the so called rapture after the so called rapture has come and gone?
When did humans start going to heaven , before or after the ransome was payed?

If you can use the scriptures to answer these questions, then you will know ur beliefs are true, but if you cannot, dnt be strongheaded to ask those who can.

Is jesus the father? If jesus is not the father, how can he be the almighty God? Or do we have more than one almighty God?
Does the almighty God hve brothers?

PMIcon:
Yes, humans operation under an influence that is not the Spirit of God. Humans are spirits too but living in a earthly house called body.

Humans are spirits? Pls explain.

MizJanet:
Lol , and xristians should have save babies to heaven by killing them at birth.


*They are all confuse beings*

All confuse beings?
Are u saying all christians are confused beings ?

Question we should think about , especially for those who believe babies go to heaven when they die.

A woman can secure evalasting future for her children is she kills them shortly after birth ? Yes or no.

What happens to babies that died shortly before birth? Are they considered alive enough to guarantee them heavenly hope ?

STEVENcrack:
See my guy I don't like long story...isrealite journey so lemme call the long discussion short bAbies would go to heaven either on a short run oor on a long run. If your church preaches otherwise dats ur problem. Move on with ur liife ok.

If having a discussion about the scriptures to find out the truth is "long story " to you. Then I have no choice than to leave u with ur view.

STEVENcrack:
So babies are going to hell right.

Let's not jump. Let's handle it step by step. Let's look at if babies go directly to heaven when they die first. So let's hear ur proof on babies going to heaven when they die.

STEVENcrack:
HEAVEN. Or do you have any other contrary answer dear.

Why do you think its heaven, do you have any scritural proof that directly support ur views?
And yes, my views are different from what u posted

STEVENcrack:
HEAVEN. Or do you have any other contrary answer dear.

Why do you think its heaven, do you have any scritural proof that directly support ur views?

The fraternity between the harlot and the wild beast is gradually coming to an end. Get out of her while you can.

To going those shouting "na by force" .

"Na by force say the church must marry people!?
The money that pastor has been making from his legal right to marry has finally sent him to jail .

davien:
MizJanet has really crushed so many believers here...

When your belief is based on false foundation, its easy to get crushed. But that is a good thing, you can now rebuild with proper foundation .

STEVENcrack:
But better to live a holy and righteous life.

And much more better to know the reward and future for living such a holy and righteous life.

For those who have not been able to live a life with the knowledge of being able to choose good and bad. Eg babies, the bible explains there future when they die and sieze to exist . Try and find out, its not a mystery

STEVENcrack:
God is a wonder..his wisdom is extremely unsearchable and incomprehensible.

God, in his wisdom has made known to man the process at which he will redeem them to him, the events that will take place during such process, and the outcome if we show our loyalty to such process. The answers to the questions I asked can be found in the scriptures.

In the bible, God has told us who we are , what we are facing, why we are facing and what he has done and intends to do about it. So that his initial word that man should many and fill the earth under his lordship will be fufilled.
Its good to know what will happen to people left on the earth after the great tribulation and why some do not go to heaven

STEVENcrack:
That's for God to decide dear. He's omnipotent.

Remember enoch. Remember elijah. Moses. Abraham.
you were also right BUT God has all d power.

Answers to those questions will give us a better understanding of Gods arrangement for humans. The answers are in the bible and in that those books, God has explained the process of man gaining perfection again.

I remember enoch, paul said he died alongside old men of faith.

I remember elijah, he was still writing letters to kings after elisha became a prophet.

I remember abraham, he died and was buried by his children .

STEVENcrack:
I really wish u can add me up let's talk berra. Maybe I could help you clear out some bible passages if you are really desirous of the answers to these question.

That passage would be better understood if you use a simpler bible translation to avoid further argument like the NLT translation which state "No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.”

Jesus was not teaching that no one had ever gone to heaven before. Obviously, the Old Testament saints had gone to heaven (or paradise) when they died (Mark 12:26-27), and Enoch and Elijah had been taken there without dying (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11).even the story of lazarus and the rich man where we saw Abraham Rather, He was teaching that, of all rabbis, He had the best credentials. Jesus has direct contact with heaven; He is an expert on the subject.

This verse is frequently used by those who want to find contradictions in the Bible.

My number tho 08185060821..give me a shot dear.

I really love to meet you.

So why is there the need for ressurection again if they are already in paradise.?
Who is jesus coming back to ressurect?
Can someone enter heaven as an imperfect person?
Can someone enter heaven without dying?

STEVENcrack:
I really wish u can add me up let's talk berra. Maybe I could help you clear out some bible passages if you are really desirous of the answers to these question.

That passage would be better understood if you use a simpler bible translation to avoid further argument like the NLT translation which state "No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.”

Jesus was not teaching that no one had ever gone to heaven before. Obviously, the Old Testament saints had gone to heaven (or paradise) when they died (Mark 12:26-27), and Enoch and Elijah had been taken there without dying (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11).even the story of lazarus and the rich man where we saw Abraham Rather, He was teaching that, of all rabbis, He had the best credentials. Jesus has direct contact with heaven; He is an expert on the subject.

This verse is frequently used by those who want to find contradictions in the Bible.

My number tho 08185060821..give me a shot dear.

I really love to meet you.

So why is there the need for ressurection again if they are already in paradise.?

Barnabaseloka:
Yes, humans will stop existing on earth when they die. But do you believe in resurrection?

Yes, I believe in ressurection

What the bible says happen to a man is the same that happens to a baby. When a human dies, he she goes back to the ground, he stops existing.

@ op, are u trying to ask what happens to them when they die?

Understanding the false doctrine called trinity. Even those who believe in it cannot come to an understanding of its concept.
Different ideas and postulations abound.

Great0:
check from earlier pages of this thread. If the Spirit permit to start afresh, no problem.

Pls let's start afresh, based on the questions I asked .

Great0:
All this your question, i have answered them before. So check my previous comment on this thread to get the answer.
For the issues of babies. I cannot say about it cox i dont know it. I have not receive a revelational understanding on it.
My brethren that comment on it and gave verse of david and his bathsheba son with the children of israel journey to the promised land, i will agree with them on that babies issue.

Can you direct me to where you answered the questions?

Though I'll prefer you answering the questions as being asked on these thread if you dnt mind so that we can start afresh .

@ great0

1.When did David ascend to heaven?
2. Was David promised heavenly hope?
3. What where saints of old (before jesus) promised. ?
4 who will partake in the 1st and other ressurections later.?
5. What happens to babies when they die ?
6 . What happens to humans left on earth after the events recorded that is otherwise called rapture. ?
7 what does the bible say happens to the soul after death?

Pls add scriptural proofs

You destroy isreal, you destroy the whole middle east . From the thousands of nukes available , just four can achieve that, one on mecca, one on theran , one on the Persian gulf and one on the Arabian capital.

I sorry for you, you want to destroy a country that is MAD capable!.
By MAD , I mean mutually assured destruction !

Isreal has told the Muslim world where and how it will relate with them . You abuse me,I wunt abuse you, i will slap you. You put up ur hand in a boxing stance, I wunt do that with you, ill wack you with a bat immediately. You carry knife or sword, and ill unleash metal pemetrating lead projectiles. You carry gun and ill burn ur whole town . You kill one of mine and ill wipe ur gene from the surface of the earth. These they have said and have carried out repeatedly , ask the Palestinians, they will tell you.

These the others wunt learn and are trying to carry nuclear missile. Dnt need to tell you what the isrealites will do.

vfactor:
Is that all? Okay. I respect your opinion. And you made some valid points; he knows the final result of your decision. Agreed! No dispute. But what I am asking is does God always know which choice u will make? He knows the outcome of any choice, but does he always know which choice you will make?

Let's look at the implication of your point. From your argument it is safe to say God knows Adam will sin, but still asked him no to sin. Does it sound logical? It like placing a yam in front of a goat and asking the goat not to eat the yam when you know it will eat it? Does it sound wise and reasonable?

Your argument also implies that some persons have been saved and condemned from birth. In other words what they will end up as has already been know. They can not do differently. Could rightly punish those persons, since they really don't have a choice?

God being all knowing, knows exactly the outcome of any decision will take and he warns us against the bad. If he already knows we would not obey, why warn us?

Granted, God can know and determine the course persons life, but there re only few cases in the bible were God did such. And he did that in other to carry out his purpose at that point in time. However the vast majority of humans have a choice either to what is right or wrong (Deu. 30:19). This would not be an option if God has already know we could not.

Dnt think the questions you posted here will be answered by those who believe in the omniscience of God. Trying to give an answer might create an earthquake in their beliefs.

As for others, simple biblical answers can not be used here, why? Cus human wisdom and bible knowledge do not always go hand in hand.

@ vfactor, nice ,correct answers .



I surely know that God , who is love, will not purnish humans, who are imperfect, prone to mistakes from birth ,bad inclination from birth, most times not having an accurate knowledge of good, usually faced with the unfluence of evil throughout his short, less than 80 years of existence , will now face torment, fire,pain agony, for billions of billions of years because of his sins for a couple of years. That is not justice ! .

A baby , when he/she dies goes back to the ground . For he/she becomes dust and siezes to exist as a person.

Emusan:
You need it because to comprehend simple English is hard for which you still display here again.



And how many times am I going to you that my post WASN'T ABOUT YOUR OWN POST? get life.



Where is the rope I used to tie down your post or did I hold your post before?



Swear by Jehovah that you haven't done it before...



I should stop the twisting again; when you couldn't comprehend my statement in the first place and I took my time to open your brain to what I'm insinuating.



That's why I said you lack simple comprehension, when I posted my post I said I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
So when I said you dodge question you should know I'm not talking about my post here rather somewhere else that's why I repeat myself that 'A REFERENCE'.



It's like you just learn the word twist.

Then where did I say "YOU SAID your questions must be answered"? this is my statement "BUT ALWAYS WANT YOUR OWN QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED"

If you ask question and I decided not to answer the question but only attend to the rest of your post, is there any crime about it?

or you want to tell me that you always answer EVERY QUESTION you see in a post.

Continue to use derogatory words, ill not go there with you.

Yep, your post is not bout my post , it is about an extract from it. But the extract cannot be explained or understood without first answering the questions there. Once the questions are answered, then the whole post becomes clearer and and conclusive extracts can be made.
I showed swear by jehovah cus I'm discussing something with you? Haba! I wunt do that o!

Good to now know that ur issue with me started from somewhere else. I dnt carry grudge from thread to thread o.not good for my heart.

Oga! My post contains statements in which the questions forms an integral part in it. Answering those questions give anyone a better understand of the words in the post. Let's understand the post first before we begin to extract words.

I dnt always answer all the questions in a post, depending on what the question is, who asked it, if its part of the topic and who its being directed to. But once a question can be used to explain further a post , I tend to answer them to the best of my knowlege. if I can't answer , I try to state so, though not all the time as I'm an imperfect human.
But in this case the questions is a major part to the understanding of my post and the words in it. So pls if you want to comment on any part of my post, pls endeavor to answer the questions .