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Dacronym:
This is not some sort of discouragement but an advice,
please forget, wasted my data on them and still most games didn't work if few games do work it's really slow plus it is believed to ruin phones motherboard

I thought issues of game speed have been handled in previous pages. Well, I dnt know. About ruining phones motherboard, but ill ask sha.
I dnt really intend using my data to download, someone said one can get those games on ur sd card with little cash. Thanks for the advice.

dejino007:
evening my bosses I hail una... well am gonna cut to the chase.. recently have been seeing post of people who still complains ppsspp is laggy on thier devices and others who r having problems connecting the DS3 pad which u can use to play games wirelessly on your phone.. in short what am trynna say is that have created a group on whatsapp where am gonna be giving tutorials on how to fix ppsspp laginess irrespective of d device u r using so far it has a minimum of 512ram and also am gonna be giving tutorials to those having problems connecting the ds3 pad to their devices.. just drop your watsapp contact am gonna add u to the group. thanks

Been reading from page 0, just got to this page .I'm about to get an android phone this weekend and I'm much interested in playing psp games on it, though I'm not a total novice when it comes to computers and its operations , ill still admit I know nothing about psp on android phones . So if you tutorial classes are still open pls add

Hildalicious:
before nko?
you.nor know say to go church, pray, na hard tin? sometimes they will even say fast.
imagine!
my grandma always want me to go to church,
i don't know why.
i think church is for old people

Ok o, I don hear you.

What do you understand by that verse?

Hildalicious:
that is true!
preaching is good, but living your life without preaching is better.
so, if you see people like us not preaching it doesn't mean we are ashamed of Jesus or our faith.
it's just that we want to live the freedom Jesus gave to us ,we want to be free from preaching, going to church, too much prayer,shouting and speaking in tongues ,and enjoy our lives.
let those who want to be free from religion (athiests ) know that we can truly be free in religion.
it takes knowledge and understanding to come to this level of your faith, which is the highest level of spirituality in Christianity.
enjoyment of life is the highest level of spirituality.
speaking in tongues,preaching and going to church is the lowest level. a lot of people don't know.

So e dey right as a Christian not to follow jesus command to preach?
So as a Christian, you count preaching and going to church as a burden?

Hildalicious:
Christianity is best expressed by action or loving your neighbor as yourself rather than mere speaking out or professing.
the best way to profess your faith is not professing at all, let people see the light in you.
nobody is interested in your talking or preaching
if Christianity or Jesus is the way you will simply live the teachings of Jesus let people wish to be like you, and stop talking or preaching

But jesus said we should preach Na!

DPremier:
Genesis 9:21, 19:35.
leviticus 10:9.
Proverbs 31:4-6 PROVERBS 23:29-35
Isaiah 5:11,22
Ezekiel 44:21
Ephesians 5:18
from the verses, above, it's evidently clear that the holy book advices against it especially in excess of it.
Noah, Lot, etc fell for it.
We can also see that special people people of old the priests and the Nazarenes don't take it.
Every believer is a special to God and as such shouldn't taint himself with strong wine and alcohol.
Does the bible specifically states "thou shall not smoke"? i don't think so. But we avoid it because we know the health implications that it kills and moreover, we are the temple of God. Strong drinks has been known to cause much sorrows in peoples' lives, it is also one of the leading cause of death in the developed world. The bible says if any man defile this temple, him shall God destroy, FOR THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS HOLY WHICH TEMPLE YE ARE -1Cor 3:17.
If cigars are bad because they defile us and destroys us then strong drinks and its associates are wrong because, they cause death -Cirrhosis of the liver, redness of the eye, violent and aggressive behaviour etc.
You might say that i take a little, But, you also forget that "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump"
if actually, you're heavenly minded, you won't debate on this, instead, you'll learn from what happened to the men of old. -1 Cor 10:11. What happened to Noah, Lot, etc?
Even in the contemporary world, what do you observe?
Yes, the Lord turned water into wine and paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach problems, but, you'll agree that not all wines are alcoholic, e.g Eva wine etc.

Do you really want to make heaven, learn from what happened to others.
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"But the end of all things is at hand: BE YE THEREFORE SOBER and watch unto prayer" -1Peter 4:7,...5:8
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This is not the time to drink and dance but the time to watch unto prayer for our final and eternal redemption.
WATCH AND PRAY..Matthew 26:41a.
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Be Prepared.

Oga, na u holy pass!
Drinking alcohol wunt stop you from gaining eternal life.

Go and read numbers 20:6-7, to see what is used as drink offering to God. And deut 14:26 to see what God said you can do with your tithe money!

Its drunkards that will not inherit Gods kingdom , not those that drink moderately .

And if u advise one not to drink so as not to get drunk , pls advise him not to eat too. Cus gluttons shall not inherit Gods kingdom too o!

Well, maybe, just maybe o!, the op's Nose is so good that he can smell someones tribal affiliation some few metres away . Maybe that's how he knew the tribe of those who successfully got their pvc.

Personaly, I dnt do political discussions cus it will be hard to stay neutral. But when it comes to the issue of lives lost and changed I think(not too sure anyway) , that I can say what I feel.
I remembered when the boko haram leader was arrested some years ago and killed(or died)in custody, I felt that was the beggining of the end of the issue. Its sad that some years down the line, the government has allowed them to grow to this present level. to me its bad leadership.

After being allowed to grow to such extent and kidnapping of the chibok girls uccured , it took sometime before the issue was addressed publicly by the leaders .
It took several weeks, and a foreign young woman to convince the head of government to see the parents of this girls and console them . All these to me is poor leadership.
Up till now , every day , for over 300 days, Those girls are still living, physically experiencing situations that we only experience(see) in nightmares and war movies.
If you as a leader with all the powers of the constitution, military and police cannot arrest and prosecute people you or ur surpporters claim or accuse as the person surpporting these terrorist, then I feel the problem is poor leadership. Its either the accusation are false or the leadership is afraid of saving those poor girls.

On the election part. I think nigerians will now have to choose between these two scenarios ; entering a cage where a lion is already fighting and biting parts of its trainers body off with the hope that the trainer will still win the fight or entering another cage with an angry looking gorilla in it with the hope that it will smile once u enter.

Whichever u guys choose , i will not change these words when it was said that in the last days "things will go from bad to worse"

Empiree poset=30600857:
author=dolphinheart

According to Matthew, Jesus(P) said:

" Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven " [Matthew 5:17-19]

And surprising, Jesus(P), the omniscient Yahweh incarnate (allegedly!) suddenly had to change the,

* Laws of Divorce
* Justice
* Oaths
* Changing his own mind

Abrogation Of Divorce

In the Old Testament we find the following law concerning divorce:

" If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man " [Deutronomy 24:1-2]

Now without going into the minute of this particular law of divorce, one thing becomes immediately clear. Not only is divorce permitted by God, it is legal for her to remarry.

However in the time of Jesus(P), the rules of divorce seem to have taken a U-turn.

"It has been said, Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery" [Matthew 5:31-32]

Here Jesus(P) abrogated the former permission to divorce according to the husband's displeasure and strictly allowed it under one condition - adultery. He even went so far as to legislate that divorcees were not permitted to remarry, clearly abrogating the former permission. But what is the reason given for this abrogation? Had God changed His mind? Is this evidence of God not being omniscient? Or more importantly, is this evidence that in fact God was never the author of these laws? Well Jesus(P) himself explains:

"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery " [Matthew 19:7-9]
Anyway, Jesus(P) points to the fact that God designs laws that are suitable to the needs and exigencies of the time and audience.

Haba! adultery for marrying divorced woman?. Let me give you another one.

I got more and i can go on and on like Law of Oaths, Law of Absolute Justice etc
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IN 1513 B.C.E., Jehovah gave the Israelites a code of laws. He told the people that if they obeyed his voice, he would bless them and they would enjoy happy, satisfying lives.— Exodus 19:5, 6. That Law code, called the Mosaic Law , or simply “the Law ,” was “holy and righteous and good.” (Romans 7:12) It promoted such virtues as kindness, honesty, morality, and neighborliness. ( Exodus 23:4, 5; Leviticus 19:14; Deuteronomy 15:13-15; 22:10, 22) The Law also incited the Jews to love one another. (Leviticus 19:18) Furthermore, they were not to mix with or take wives from among Gentiles who had not submitted to the Law . (Deuteronomy 7:3, 4)

As a “wall” of separation between Jews and Gentiles, the Mosaic Law kept God’s people from becoming contaminated by pagan thinking and practices.— Ephesians 2:14, 15; John
18:28.

One of the reasons why the Law was given to Israel was “to make transgressions manifest.” ( Galatians 3:19) The Law made sincere Jews conscious of their desperate need for a Redeemer. When that One arrived, faithful Jews rejoiced. Their deliverance from the curse of sin and death was at hand!— John 1:29.

The Mosaic Law was to be a temporary arrangement. Writing to fellow Christians,
the apostle Paul described it as a “tutor leading to Christ.” ( Galatians 3:24) A tutor of ancient times accompanied children to and from school. He was generally not the teacher; he merely led the children to the teacher. Similarly, the Mosaic Law was designed to lead God-fearing Jews to Christ.

Jesus promised that he would be with his followers “all the days until the conclusion of
the system of things.” ( Matthew 28:20) Once
the Christian congregation was formed, therefore, the “tutor”—the Law —served no
further purpose. (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:25)

Thefore Matthew 5:17-19 is making reference to jesus fufilling the law, his total assurance that he will fufill it and that the law must be observed till the law is fufilled .


On the issue of jesus change in divorce laws,it was not sudden .
Now let's look at the verses you quoted, and analyse it under ur view of Abrogation.

Deut 24:1 ;If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something *indecent( found some indecency )about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house.

Matthew 5:31-32: "It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:7-9; "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.

Religious leaders of that time devised legalistic loopholes to weaken the force of God’s Law. For instance, the Law allowed a man to divorce his wife if he found “something indecent” on her part, evidently some serious problem that brought shame on the household. ( Deuteronomy 24:1)
However, by Jesus’ day, the religious leaders used that concession as an excuse to allow a man to divorce his wife on all manner of grounds—even for burning his supper! . Jesus showed that they had badly misrepresented Moses’ inspired words. He then restored Gods original standard for marriage, that of monogamy, leaving sexual immorality as the only proper grounds for divorce.— Matthew 19:3-12.

In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said that “everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” ( Mt 5:32) By this, Christ showed that if a husband divorces his
wife for reasons other than her “fornication” (por·nei′a), he exposes her to adultery in the future. That is so because the unadulterous wife is not properly disunited from her husband by such a divorce and is not free to marry another man and have sexual relations with another husband. When Christ said that whoever “marries a divorced woman commits adultery,” he was referring to a woman divorced on grounds other than “on account of fornication” (por·nei′a). Such a woman, though divorced legally, would not be divorced Scripturally.

So my friend , the law on marriage was not abrogated in the Islamic sense , but rather fufilled, jesus did not change it but explained it fully.


Read this verse :
3 And Pharisees came to him intent on testing him, and they asked: “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife on every sort of grounds?” 4 In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female. 5 and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man(the pharisses and their understanding ) put apart.” 7 They said to him: “Why, then, did Moses direct giving a
certificate of dismissal and divorcing her?”8 He said to them: “Out of regard for your hard-heartedness, Moses made the concession to you of divorcing your wives, but that has not been the case from the beginning. 9 I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the grounds of sexual immorality, * and marries another commits adultery.”

At the institution of marriage by the Creator, he made no provision for divorce. A man was to stick to his wife, and “they must become one flesh.” ( Ge 2:24) A man would therefore have one wife who was considered one flesh with him. It was only after man’s fall and consequent imperfections and degradation that divorce
entered in. In giving the Law to Israel, God did not at that time choose to enforce the original
standard, but he regulated divorce so that it would not bring dissolution of the family arrangement in Israel or work undue hardship. However, at God’s due time his original standard was restored. Jesus stated the principle governing the Christian congregation—that “fornication” (Gr., por·nei′a) is the only valid ground for divorce. He explained that God did not enforce this standard through Moses out of regard for the hardheartedness of the Israelites.— Mt 19:3-9; Mr 10:1-11.

@ empiree

Empiree:
author=dolphinheart

Definition of abrogation: ab-ro-gate: v.tr. repeal, annul, abolish (a law or custom)

[b]In the context of the will and law of God (Holy is He above all that is attributed to Him) as expressed in Scripture, it refers to the nullification of an older Law or concept in favour of a newer and more appropriate one.

We might ask whether an omniscient God, if He is the one who sent Torah and Injeel, might employ such a concept as abrogation? Surely an all-knowing God would be able to impart His will in entirety without recourse to change? Doesn't the idea of abrogating, or nullifying, a previous law in light of a better one suggest that the Author is not all-knowing?

What these questions don't take into account, is that whilst God is all-knowing, unchanging (e.g., Malachi 3:6, with lots of problems with the concept of Trinity), His audience, humanity, is not. The very concept that Christianity holds so dear, of the difference between the old covenantal relationship of law, as opposed to the new covenantal relationship of grace relies on the understanding that human beings as individuals and in human societies are in fact subjected to change in condition.[/b]
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Definition of abrogation: ab-ro-gate: v.tr. repeal, annul, abolish (a law or custom)

Definition of abrogation in islam:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naskh_(tafsir)

Does the two correspond?
Does islam totally follow the first definition of abrogation (which you posted)



You are right, societal norms,customs, laws and views do change and adjust with time.

But it does not totally change in a period of 30 to 40 years that requires an expansive change of the laws. this is done for the koran and not for the scriptures.

The laws does not require certain situations to happen to the writer before the laws are being made or abrogated . That is what the koran is being accused of and the bible is not .

The laws giving in the OT where not changed by the same man, unlike the koran .

Unlike the koran , the law God gave the isrealites was not changed for thousands of years.

The koran changed directive within the same body of laws. Jesus brought a new covenant with new directive , directive that does not put the older laws as false or wrong.

@ empiree

Empiree:
author=dolphinheart

Oh no! that is Old Testament, cries the Christian. The New Testament has replaced all that. Yes, in the New Testament, the monotheistic and henotheistic God of Israel, Yahweh, suddenly starts to be interpreted as Trinity. So, the concept of monotheistic and henotheistic God itself got abrogated in the New Testament as the Christians allege! So we have to assume that the monotheistic and henotheistic God of Israel did not know that he was Trinity and made a serious mistake or he simply changed his mind or in the worst case scenario, he cheated the People of Israel.
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Now on the new testament you made mention of . I liked the words you used . You used the words" suddenly starts to be interpreted as" .this means words where not changed, adjusted , added to or removed from , but like the Jews , mis - understood the words written in the scriptures . Mis understanding or mis application does not mean change in the original words of god. Or dnt you claim that the terrorist quoting from the koran misunderstand the meaning of the words stated there? Or are you saying from your own understanding of the bible that those who believe in ur so called interpretation are true?

If you believe by ur understanding of the scriptures that these your christians allegations(interpretation/understanding are true, tell us why you believe they are true, then we know if the truth about God is abrogated or not. If you dnt believe that the understanding of the scriptures by these christians are true(that it is false), then why are you stating that the bible abrogated itself?

@ empiree

Empiree:
author=dolphinheart



But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget au good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
(Quran 5:13-14)

There enough evidence displayed already that your book is corrupted. It's not just translation. They practically removed original words and replaced them. Remove the mole from your eyes to see what we see

No abrogation?. You kidding right?.

When one studies the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, it becomes clear that omnipotent and omniscient God did make mistakes and repented. This means that the God did not know his own actions and the outcomes of the actions. According to Bible... Now for some fine examples.

Now start with Old Testament. In the story of Noah(P), it is mention that:

And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground anymore for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more everything living, as I have done [Genesis 8:21]

And in the story of Moses(P), we read

And the LORD repented of the evil which he
thought to do unto his people [Exodus 32:14].

My reply will be final, straight to point , why? Cus I'm afraid of muslims , more importantly, I can't study the koran as a muslim , cus if i do and I find something wrong with it, I can't leave cus their law States that I should be killed if Ieave the religion and talk. So on ur Islamic quotes, ill rather yet asking questions and not even wait for the answer.

You quoted Quran 5:13-14
Now Is verse 13 talking about christians ? (take note of who had the covenant in verse 12.

Now verse 13 states .
They broke the covenant......(they did not abide by the rules giving to them).....They change words from their context .(they had a different understanding of the words recorded, take note of the word context, one of ur translations used "original meaning)
Therefore what that verse is telling me is that they recorded the correct words, but mis-understood its meaning. Not that they changed the words in the written manuscripts .

In verse 14:
what is the covenant that the christians made and what have they forgoten ?
Is "love ur neigbour as urself part of that covenant
Did verse 14 accuse christians of changing the wordings of the scripture giving to them, if yes, show us?
Are these verses you quoted not abrograted by chapter 9:5 , 9:29. So why make reference to it when you are not supposed to follow it.(annuled)?

Like I said, all of satans attempt to change those wordings have been twarted and exposed.





Now u attributed Gen 18:21 and ex 32:14 to God making mistakes and repenting .
If you where a bible student, you would have understood better. Now let me explain to you.

Let's start with Gen 18:21 ;
New International Version
The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

New Living Translation
And the LORD was pleased with the aroma of the sacrifice and said to himself, "I will never again curse the ground because of the human race, even though everything they think or imagine is bent toward evil from childhood. I will never again destroy all living things.

King James 2000 Bible
And the LORD smelled a sweet odor; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more everything living, as I have done.


After the flood subsided , God told “Go out of the ark,” he told Noah, “you and your wife and your sons and your sons’ wives with you.” Obediently, the family led the way, and all the animals followed. How? In a chaotic stampede? Not at all! The record states that “according to their families they went out of the ark.” (Genesis 8:15-19) Once outdoors, breathing in the fresh mountain air and looking out over the highlands of Ararat, Noah and his family saw before them a cleansed earth. Gone were the Nephilim, the violence, the rebellious angels, and that entire wicked society! Mankind had a chance to make a fresh start.
Noah knew what to do. He started with worship. He built an altar and used some of the animals that God viewed as clean— which they had brought aboard in “sevens”— and offered up a burnt sacrifice to God.( Genesis 7:2; 8:20)
Did that worship please God? The Bible answers in these reassuring words: “ God began to smell a restful odor.” The pain that had filled God’s heart when mankind was filling the world with violence was replaced by the restful, pleasant sensation of seeing a family of faithful worshippers on earth who were determined to carry out his will.(remember the issue of Satan and his questioning Gods sovereignty and how his action let to mans imperfection hence making mans thought not to be in line with Gods directives) . God did not expect them to be perfect. The same verse continues: “The inclination of the heart of man is bad from his youth up.” the verse helps us to understand how God further expressed his patient compassion for humankind. God lifted the curse on the
ground. Back in the days of the rebellion of Adam and Eve, God had pronounced that curse, making cultivation unusually difficult. Noah’s
father, Lamech, had named his son Noah— probably meaning “Rest,” or “Consolation”—
and had foretold that his son would lead mankind to a time of rest from that curse.
Noah must have beamed when he learned that he would now see that prophecy fulfilled and that the earth would respond more readily to efforts to cultivate it. Little wonder that Noah soon took up farming!—Genesis 3:17, 18; 5:28, 29; 9:20.

So in Gen 18:21, God did not regret or make mistake on his actions.


Now to ex 32:14.
Moses went up Mount Horeb several times, remaining on two occasions for periods of 40 days and nights. On this first occasion Moses showed himself to be fittingly qualified as mediator between God and Israel and leader of this great nation of perhaps three million or more. When Moses was in the mountain, Jehovah informed him that the people had turned to idolatry and Jehovah said: “Now let me be, that my anger may(not will, to signify certainty) blaze against them and I may(again ,not will to signify certainty) exterminate them, and let me make you into a great nation.” Moses’ immediate reply revealed that the sanctification of Gods name was the thing of primary importance to him— that he was completely unselfish and did not desire fame for himself(unlike some so called prophets I know). He asked nothing for himself but, rather, showed concern for Gods name that He had recently exalted by the Red Sea miracle, and regard for God’s promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jehovah, in approval of Moses’ plea, spared the people. Here it is seen that Jehovah regarded Moses as satisfactorily filling his mediatorial role and that He respected the arrangement through which he had appointed Moses to that office.
Thus, God “began to feel regret over the evil that he had spoken of doing to his people”— that is, because of altered circumstances, he changed his attitude regarding bringing evil upon them.— Ex 32:7-14.(pls read up on what eventually happened ).

The context of events was colmunated by other translations of that verse as ;

"Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

"So the LORD changed his mind about the terrible disaster he had threatened to
bring on his people."

"So the LORD reconsidered his threat to destroy his people.

In conclusion of these part,pls answer the following questions ;
are those verses real?
Are they part of the words allah gave to the isrealites or was it added by humans later.?
if you still feel that the God moses served abrogated those verses like the kora abrogated itself (cus u have not denied abrogation in the koran ) then allah (which you believe is the God of moses)makes mistakes and repent(which I bet u wunt agree to) , cus allah gave them those words . Unless u state that allah is not God of moses that wrote those words u quoted or those words where fake(added later),then you should not use those scriptures in claiming abrogation (cus it will affect ur understanding of the koran ) .

Empiree:
@bold suggests that islam was right all along when it says:

"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah . And they speak untruth about Allah while they know." Qur'an 3:78

So when muslims say Bible is corrupted they say the truth. You exposed Christianity here big time. Book of God should be one. That's. There should be no addition or omission. That book (Bible) is hell of culprit. And we have a lady here pointing finger and accusing islam.

The Hadith (sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammad in Islam) as well point out to Biblical Corruption. Consider these hadith:

Narrated Abu Huraira: The people of the Scripture (Jews) used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and they used to explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. On that Allah's Apostle said, "Do not believe the people of the Scripture or disbelieve them, but say:-- "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us." (2.136) (Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 12)

Rilwayne001, tola9ja, true2god...see how they exposed themselves.

Oga, no addition by tongue and words, the unscriptural additions in the translations are being, and have been removed. At least there was no abrogation of false truth.
U have numerous questions u guys have not answered and u are jumping to this one

Bet the op never knew these, he just saw it, liked it and pasted it, no background check on the truthfullness of the accusation.
And I bet that's how he studies the bible too, the cart before the horse, belief before truth, .

Hiswordxray:
You were very eager to enter in an argument to prove how knowledgeable you are but when we star talking about love, you withdrew.
Yet you claim you have fruit of the Spirit. O


Can't you see, all you have is knowledge (it is useless). Knowledge won't make you inherit the kingdom of God.
And if your doctrine is correct you would have produce fruit. Open your eyes and see, what you have is not yielding the right fruit.

You shall know the tree by there fruit.
Open your eyes my brother, God loves you and want to set you free.

Haba! U be politician!? Bro, I'm not /have not entered into an argument with you. My statements where not made with anger(dnt know about urs) or is my emotions or feelings heated up with what u have posted. I'm just having a bible based discussion with you and others on this thread on the issue of imortal soul.

Bro,the part where I made mention of love is/was not part of the main discussion, it was just a side reference as to how I feel people who know the truth wunt teach it. I probably would not have made such statements if not for statements by you that there is something wrong with people wunt dnt follow ur beliefs. So if you want to discuss love, create a thread, dnt derail this one.

Bro, I never said I have fruit of the spirit, I dnt boast of such things (unlike you). I said if you have the spirit in you, its fruitage will show and guide you and others will see it, you dnt have to tell anyone you have it, people would see ur fruitage easily by the things you do, say etc.
It is good if you have love , but let people tell you that, and not you telling people. As you dnt know me, u dnt know if I show it or not.(if you collect money fully or partly to survive, for teaching people Gods word, and you live above most of the means of livelihood of ur fellow brethren, then you dnt have love.)

Bro, wunt discuss issues that does not relate with the imortal soul again. If you have issues you want to discuss, create a thread for it and invite me and others.

Now back to the main issue

You claim my knowledge/prove is history.
Bro, historic or not, are they not from the scriptures? , is the scriptures not inspired by God ? Besides I used both the OT and NT scriptures in explaining my view.

You claim my knowledge is scientific.
Bro, I never made mention of something that the bible never made mention of . Sperm, embryo are things mentioned in the bible(even if not in the present English word).
You claim science is human knowlegde and wisdom that the bible is reffering to. You are wrong . If you are right, when you get sick , dnt go to the hospital or take drugs that was scientifically produced.
Is it not science that made you know more about human parts and their functions? Do you not use science (to a particular level) in making ur existence better on earth?

You claim knowledge will not make me enter Gods kingdom. But jesus says " this means evalasting life, having knowledge of you the only true God....."
These knowledge I'm trying to gain from reading Gods inspired words(the scriptures) which is "completely equiped for every good works"
My knowledge is false if I have so far quoted a verse that is not in the scriptures .


Some of my questions remains
If ur spirit is you/man, and the flesh is a housing, when did your spirit enter the house?

who wrote the book of enoch?
When was it written ?

Hiswordxray:
Why would you want to talk about love when you don't know a thing about love. All you have is useless knowledge.
I may not be as knowledgeable as you but at least I have love and God is love.
Knowledge boost people up and that is what have happen to you.
I prefer to be a novice in the Bible than to be boost up with knowledge like you.

Personal attack,abuses sly remarks, me I no go go there with you.

I love, u no love talk, me I no go go there with you , dnt want to derail the thread.

Bro, I'm not an expert in bible studies, I'm also a learner, but wateva I learn, I try to do diligent study of it, to be fully convinced in my own heart and mind that what I'm learning is the truth.

cao:
Jupiter Ascending was definitely visually stunning with killer action scenes, but it could have been better. Mila Kunis spent most of the film falling, screaming, cleaning the toilet and looking hella confused. Channing Tatum was a flying albino elf beefcake (ok he was spliced with wolf DNA, but I've been calling the film the flying elf movie for almost a year now), Eddie Redmayne hammed the hell outta his role (not going to lie, I really liked his OTT acting, but critics seem to hate it, folks are saying he might have lost the Oscar thanks to this film).

The Wachowskis created a rather interesting world and premise, but they kinda failed with their story/script. This could have been a bigger and better film. I want those gravity boots. At least, it wasn't a boring film.

Bet there will be a sequel!

@ hiswordxray
Everyone can see what you have been doing in the discussion , we started with the soul, I explained with the bible what the soul is, you found it hard in aligning those scriptures and subsequent questions asked to ur belief so you shifted the discussion to what the spirit is, I explained what the spirit God gave man is, using the scriptures while doing so. You find it hard to align what the spirit in us is with your beliefs,and also refusing to answer bible based questions. You now shifted the discussion to discrediting and belittling the faith and belief in God that the people who lived before jesus came had and thought and recorded in the bible . Not having an answer to their statements recorded in the bible, you attacked them by stating that they are children when it comes to spiritual things because you came in a time when more sacred secrets have been revealed. Those people had less knowledge , but even you cannot match the faith they had . Let that spirit that you claim is in you tell u to sacrifice your son and let's see what you will do. let that spirit tell you to sell all ur belongings and give to the poor and see what you will do. Let that spirit tell you to leave Nigeria and relocate to the dessert in Somalia and let's see if you wunt stop hearing that spirit talk to you again.

Having giving you numerous verses supporting my points ,and you not able to answer the question posed to you on ur beliefs, you have now shifted the discussion to attacking me,telling me I dnt undterstand what love is, and like always shifting the topic(this time to love) but I wunt go into that game with you.
If you have love in you , then its good.
If because you have love in you, and you type not because you feel you must defend ur throne, ur image on this thread, then its good.

If the love in you allows you not to answer bible based questions , then its good.

If its the love that makes you shorten my words, remove my explanations, and hold on strongly to the remaining part statement like a drowning man will hold on to anything its hand can Grasp , then its good.

My question remains, if you are a spirit housed in ur body, when did God put ur spirit in ur present house?

My advise remains, get off ur high horse, sit down and read the bible!

armadeo:
They aren't out yet. Are they.

I saw the trailer if kings man ( ignored it for a while) but it looks promising.

Dnt know o!, but its on my list cus cao says so. Just watched the trailer for fast and furious 7, thing its gonna be a hit. Thought I've seen everything that can be done with cars.

@ hiswordxray


Sir, my explanations are from the scriptures , several scriptures . So unless those scriptures are not inspired , then my explanations will not be inspired by the spirit.

If you can prove that jehovah did not speak to those you called spiritually dead people, that jehovah did not give them his spirit, that they did not perform miracles , that they did not see visions, and did not prophesy , then ill believe you.
Elijah enoch and the prophets where children abi, Solomon, the wisest man was a child abi ?that God reveals things at different times does not mean those of old where children.


I would love to discuss about the verses of gal 3 :23-25 , but I wunt . Ill rather tell you to read Hebrews chapter 11(too long to post here)
Jesus is called “the Chief Agent [Chief Leader] and Perfecter of our faith.” ( Heb 12:2) True, long before the coming of Jesus Christ,
Abraham’s faith was “perfected” by his works of faith and obedience, so that he gained God’s approval and became party with God in an oath-bound covenant. ( Jas 2:21-23; Ge 22:15-18) But the faith of all those men of faith living prior to Jesus’ earthly ministry was incomplete, or imperfect, in the sense of their not understanding the then unfulfilled prophecies regarding him as God’s Seed and Messiah.
( 1Pe 1:10-12) By his birth, ministry, death, and resurrection to heavenly life, these prophecies came to fulfillment, and the faith about Christ had a strengthened foundation, one filled out with historical facts. Thus, faith in this perfected sense “arrived” through Christ Jesus ( Ga 3:24, 25), who thereby proved to be the leader/
pioneer/ Chief Agent of our faith.
He continued to be the Perfecter of the faith of his followers from his heavenly position, by pouring down holy spirit on them at Pentecost and by imparting revelations that progressively filled out and developed their faith.— Ac 2:32, 33; Heb 2:4; Re 1:1, 2; 22:16; Ro 10:17.
So hiswordxray, if you feel you have that holy spirit, what it impacts to you must be in accordance with the revelations of old, that is in the bible , it must not contradict them.


I answered ur questions, take time and read them . I even added several other verses to butress my point.

Continualy reposting statements will not make it right. I've explained what the bible tells us the soul is, what the spirit in us is and what God (our creator) calls us(the created ), you refused to answer questions based on those verses .

We are talking about what man is , if you are a spirit , when did God give you a body. ? Dnt use. Mago mago to run away from questions, its politicians that do that. You have run away from too many questions on this thread.

Its good to have love for others, but the moment one forces them to part with their money and one uses that money for personal survival just because one had the holy spirit, the ones love is fake.


1) its for others to decide if the Fruitage of the spirit are being shown by me.

2)I'm verry satisfied with what I have , having sustenance and covering, I'm contented with those things. spiritualy, I'm fully ready to follow the words found at 2 Timothy 3 14-17 which says 14 :You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe, knowing from whom you learned them 15 and that from infancy you have known the holy writings,(the scriptures) which are able to
make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

While praying for his kingdom to come so that if God accepts that I have those good works as prescribed in the bible, I can gain eternal life and help fufill the words that he told adam , "be fruitful, and fill the earth , and have in subjection everything in it"


3) yep, expecially his love for me . I have seen that his guidiance if for my own good. If teaching me the truth, showing me from the scriptures what God wants me to do and how he wants me to live a good life is "filling My head" the such filling is true.

Those that have form of godly devotion and prove false to its powers are those who know the truth but are lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers,
headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, and from these, despite my imperfection I try my best to turn away.
The apostle Paul personally received power to perform his ministry. As a result, his ministry was effective. To Christians in Thessalonica, he
wrote: “The good news we preach did not turn up among you with speech alone but also with power and with holy spirit.” (1 Thessalonians 1:5) His preaching and teaching had the power to work great changes in the lives of me who listened to him.

4) I feel like a child of God, cus when I pray to him and pray that everything be done according to his will, he answers.

Further explanation john 18:28

the verse shows that entry into a Gentile home was viewed by the Jews as an act that brought ceremonial defilement. While the Law given through Moses made no specific injunction against such minor association, this view was common among the Jews and particularly among their religious leaders.

As to Time Order. It was a question of defilement that gave rise to the words: “They themselves did not enter into the governor’s palace, that they might not get defiled but might eat the passover.” The Jews considered it a defilement to enter into a Gentile dwelling.( Ac 10:28) This statement was made, however, “early in the day,” hence after the Passover meal had taken place. It is to be noted that at this time the entire period, including Passover day and the Festival of Unfermented Cakes that followed, was at times referred to as “Passover.” In the light of this fact, Alfred Edersheim offers the following explanation: A voluntary peace offering was made on Passover and another, a compulsory one, on the next day, Nisan 15, the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes. It was this second offering that the Jews were afraid they might not be able to eat if they contracted defilement in the judgment hall of Pilate.—
The Temple, 1874, pp. 186, 187.

2)If jesus was taking to pilate before Passover as you assume in Johns statement,then the disciples would not have stated that jesus had several hours earlier eating the Passover meal, and event that was stated again later by the disciples.

3) if jesus was taking to pilate before the Passover, his account of the events after jesus death, the issue of the great Sabbath, the Sabbath starting hours after jesus death will be false. Cus the Jews will be observing the Passover and not the Sabbath.

Then the prophecy and statement relating to breaking of legs of the other two men and not of jesus would not have come up cus it was done so that they could be burried that same day and not on the Sabbath which starts that evening (next day to the Jews)

@ ubenedictus

Uncle uben ! , ogaaa! , because of a desperate attempt to defend ur pagan celebrations , you have now gone to the extent of accusing the bible of being Contradictory, Haba Bros! , is the bible not inspired again!?

Before i go into these falsehood u are attempting to cook, let me first reply you on what you said based on the questions I asked you.

You said: "because the hebrew calender of the time didn't always observe time accurately!
Some years had 13 months other were less, this is because it tried to base it months on the moon. Imagine what it will be like if we decide to add 1 months to d dis year, that means time will be screwed up.
This is why clement of alexander records that every christian community were trying to fix christmas in their own calender trying to equate d 9th jewish month in the hebrew calender to their own calenders."
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My response:
Oga, that above is the lamest, most falsefied answer I've seen these year. Yes in the hebrew calender, a month is added every few years, that is their own format or way in calculating the years in their calender,its a rule in their calculations and they dnt just add it abitrarily like you are desperately trying to potray. Adding days to a particular calender year is in no way different from the gregorian calender that also add a day every four years.
Like I've said before, no calender is accurate in respect to number of days in a year. and that is how God wanted it to be , events where supposed to be observed and not marked. an example is that dates marked even in the gregorian calender will have to be shifted by a day in 2099.

These same hebrew calender you are trying to discredit cus ur church formulated its own calender , was the same calender God used in telling his people on earth what day they should observe or celebrate certain events. He told them to use that calender to observe it annualy If our creator who know more about time and its measurement could use or make mention of these calender, and their method of marking their days, who are we to reject it.

The attempt to fix permanently, a fixed date on the hebrew calender unto a date on the gregorian calender is impossible and was done for pride and selfish reasons. For example , if jesus was born in tenet 9 and that date falls on Dec 25 th in 2014, in 2015, that date will fall on Dec 13/14th . Therefore it will be falsehood to celebrate jesus birth on Dec 25th 2015.

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You also said : " The same arguement occured with easter many christians had already fixed it on march ending, while others wanted it around
Nisan, others wanted it on a sunday, other said anytime it fell on week days. Infact many held that the biblical narratives were absolutely unclear, confusing and contradicting! Every christian community celebrated it differently. Atlast sunday around Nisan was chosen becos christ rose on a sunday, sunday was the day of the lord, fixing it around 14 nisan had a sybolism "christ is now our new pash", the jews were been told dat d old order was over. And fixing it around nisan 14 will serve as a good date to d different and sometimes contradictory gospel narratives.

My response:
Oga, again I say, all the false and delibrate shifting of date done by different Christian churches was because of pride , because of "na my own understanding better" attitude, and because of refusal to rely on the Jews and their celebrations .

Now let's go to the greatest "Iro nla" of the week .

You stated :" the date given in the scriptures are contracdictory. There is a way to explain the reason it seems contradictory but i won't go there. Matthew, mark and luke all record dat Jesus was crucified after d day of d passover, dat is d next day after d day of the unleavened bread, dat is d day after d last supper/passover, but john 18: 28 said Jesus was brought before pilate before d passover was eaten. Those different acounts leave us with at least a one day deficit. Did jesus die on 14 nisan or d day before it?

My response:
Uncle uben , if you are a Christian , you would not have made that statement above, you are more of a catholic than a Christian and if your church says the bible is false , you will wholeheartedly believe the statement. No wonder , its because of issues like this that they tried hiding the bible from common people.

Ill not only tell you are false, ill use the bible to show u you are false.

Let's start with the Passover.
The scriptures helps us to understand that the Passover was observed on the 14th day of Nissan ( Ex 12:1-6; 13:4)
This Passover is the first day in a series of days in which the isrealite observe a particular celebration .
We know that a day to the Jews start from sunset to sunset. Unlike us that start a day in the morning by 6 am or legally by 12midnite.(if you dnt know this, ask and ill explain)
So observing events on a particular day starts in the evening of that day (sunset ) to the evening of the next day .

Now that year (the year jesus died) the Passover occurred on the sixth day of the week (counted by the Jews as from sundown on Thursday to sundown on Friday). This is evident from John 19:31, which shows that the following day was “a great” sabbath. The day after Passover was always a sabbath, no matter on what day of the week it came. ( Le 23:5-7) But when this special Sabbath coincided with the regular Sabbath (the seventh day of the week, which starts sunset friday to sunset Saturday), it became “a great one.

Now let's look at scriptural events sorrounding the death of jesus .
Jesus knew he will be handed over on Passover - Mt 26:2, Joh 13:1-3.

On that night jesus had the Passover with his disciples in accordance with the date and time of the day (late evening) it was held .

Imediately after that meal (on that same date ,Nissan 14, and that same night) jesus and his disciples went to the mount of olives .- math 26:30,31, mark 14:26. Luke 22:39 ,john 18:1

That same night(Nissan 14) jesus was arrested and taken to the sahendrin.
The sahendrin questioned him that same night cus it was just before morning ,while peter was near the sahendrin that the cock crowed 3 times.

That same night time (early in the morning of Nissan 14, just before the sun came up, at dawn,jesus was taken to pilate.- Mt 27;1,2,; John 18:28,29; mark 15:1; luke 23:1.
In Matthew 14:25 and Mark 13:35 πρωῖ´(dawn, early in the morning) is equivalent to the fourth watch of the night, between three and six o'clock. this timing might mean that those who had not eating the Passover could still do so, another reason for the statement in john 18: 28 will be explained in next post


All the events that happened after he was taking to pilate-his questioning, his beating and his comndemnation and death happened between that dawn and 3PM of nissan 14 (remember how the Jews measure when the day starts and end) when he died .— Lu 23:44-46.

So oga uben , the scriptures does not contradict itself when it said jesus died on Nissan 14 and was resurrected a day after the Sabbath.

So pls retract the falsehood you posted and stop confusing ur nephew, vest.

cao:
Thanks, I just watch a lot of films. I was going to watch Ex Machina today, but I'm just too tired. If you're a Michael Bay fan, there's Project Almanac (I will probably not watch it, I tend to avoid films that look like documentaries regardless of whether they're good eg Chronicle), I would recommend Kingsman: The Secret Service - the church action scene is worth the admission price. Jupiter Ascending looks like it could be a decent sci-fi blockbuster, as long as the Wachowskis don't think too much and mess it up like they did the Matrix sequels.

Kk, kingsman, Jupiter ascending right! , will keep u posted .

I replied you not because I wanted you to accept the truth about man and what he is, I did it because their might be others who read this thread and who want to know the truth, I already had the feeling that wateva I say will not be accepted by you cus of the reasons ill state later.

But first ,why are you saying its too long? Are you not the one who said I should be thorough? If its long, can't you take you time to read it? did you not read my post? Because its too long?
Why are you trying to say I said something I did not say?
Did you not read where I said "The record at Genesis 2:7 uses nesha·mah′ in describing
God’s causing Adam’s body to have life so that the man became “a living soul.” Other
texts, however, show that more was involved than simple breathing of air, that is, more than the mere introduction of air into the lungs and its expulsion therefrom?.did I not show u the bible texts? Did I not thoroughly explain to you why such texts are the way they are, and why they are used interchangeably, and what they mean?

You stated that my explanation are either historical or scientific , Haba! Why now! , did I note quote severaly from the bible again? Are those quote historical or biblical? Are they not inspired words from our creator who knows our makeup well well again?
What is scientific with the things I posted on living cells that a layman will not understand?
Did I not tell you with many supporting scriptures that "This “releasing”during Christ’s presence would result in Paul’s receiving the reward that Jehovah had prepared for him.— Matt. 24:3"

Your attempt to look for words or phrases in the bible to support ur pagan beliefs will not work . God in his unreacheable wisdom has protected the truth in the bible in such a way that its imposible to twist . God made sure that the scriptures answers and support the scriptures, not contradicting each other, if there is an issue with the understanding of a phrase, word, sentence in a verse, there are numerous verses that can help us in understanding what that verse really mean or what that verse is trying to tell us. And this I have done in my disscussion with you, I did not use philosophy (human knowledge) like you have done.

You have so far refused to answer questions posted to you , but ill ask one more, and I hope you answer .

If the spirit is the man , then it must be different spirit that I and u have , when did God put that spirit in the body u now occupy ? When you where still a sperm or when you entered the egg.?
What do you think of the recent british law that was passed where some things in one embryo can be removed and added to another embryo, is the spirit removed in such state ?

Ones a sperm enters an egg, they form a zygote, if that zygote splits to form twins, is it two spirits that enter the zygote?


Now to why I feel you wunt accept my explanation.
Some learned religious individuals know the truth about the immortal soul. But teaching it to their followers and fellows will cause Wahala to their source or part of their source of income, more importantly there exalted position and titles among their fellows, Hence the lie must continue. As long as someone, or a group of people force you to part with your money so that they can be fed, be wary of what they teach you . For they will be prone to teach you things that will make you to be hooked to them, things that will tickle their ears .(2 ti 4:3) They will tell you its only them that can teach you what is in the bible cus the holy spirit is in them ,that you are canal and they are spiritual , but they refuse to display its fruitage eg compassion for the poor among them. Pls read the bible, ask questions so that the truth can become clearer !

The questions we should be asking is
1. What is sin ?
2. What sin did adam commit?
3. Can all sin be forgiving ?
4. If no, can Adams sin be forgiving even if he asks for forgiveness?

@ hiswordxray

Sir, we started from what man is , I told you what man is and I asked you questions to show you that ur beliefs are not surported by the bible, instead of answering on the scriptures quoted you shifted the discusion to what happens to the soul when man dies . I answered you with the scriptures, asked you questions based on those scriptures which you tried playing philosophy with, refusing to answer them directly.
You have now shifted to the issue of the spirit in man and posted several questions to me. Unlike you I will endeavor to answer ur questions and try my best to explain the scripture u posted with scriptural prove to back it up. I hope in ur reply you will do the same and answer the numerous questions you have so far unanswered.
And please refrain from using derogatory words, I'm not blind neither I'm I blindfolded.

Now let's look at the scriptures you said I should give my personal understanding of .


1) "The burden a of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:" (Zec 12:1)

My understanding:
The issue in this verse is the "spirit of man" that is "formed within man" .what is the spirit of man and how is it formed in man.

Job 32:8 says ; But there is a spirit within people, the breath of the Almighty within them, that makes them intelligent(animaed,thinking creatures).

This verse helps us to know that the spirit in man is the breath of God within them . This simple biblical explanation might not be accepted by you (I might be wrong anyway)so I will go further to explain the issue of it being "formed in man "

The account of the creation of man states that God formed man from the dust of the ground and proceeded to “blow [form of na·phach′]
into his nostrils the breath [form of nesha·mah′] of life, and the man came to be a living soul [ne′phesh].” ( Ge 2:7; Ne′phesh may be translated literally as “a breather,” that is, “a breathing creature,” either human or animal. Nesha·mah′ is, in fact, used to mean “breathing thing [or creature]” and as such is used as a virtual synonym of ne′phesh, “soul.” (Compare De 20:16; Jos 10:39, 40; 11:11; 1Ki 15:29.) The record at Genesis 2:7 uses nesha·mah′ in describing God’s causing Adam’s body to have life so that the man became “a living soul.” Other texts, however, show that more was involved than simple breathing of air, that is, more than the mere introduction of air into the lungs and its expulsion therefrom. Thus, at Genesis 7:22, in describing the destruction of human and animal life outside the ark at the time of the Flood, we read: “Everything in which the breath [form of nesha·mah′] of the force [or, “spirit” (ru′ach)] of life was active in its nostrils, namely, all that were on the dry ground, died.” Nesha·mah′, “breath,” is thus directly associated or linked with ru′ach, which here describes the spirit, or life-force, that is active in all living creatures—human and animal souls.
As the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (Vol. VI, p. 336) states: “Breath may be discerned only in movement [as in the movement of the chest or the expanding of the nostrils], and it is also a sign, condition and agent of life, which seems to be esp[ecially] tied up with breathing.”
Hence, the nesha·mah′, or “breath,” is both the product of the ru′ach, or life-force, and also a principal means of sustaining that life- force in living creatures.
It is known from scientific studies, for example, that life is present in every single cell of the body’s one hundred trillion cells and that, while thousands of millions of cells die eachminute, constant reproduction of new living cells goes on. The life-force active in all the living cells is dependent upon the oxygen that breathing brings into the body, which oxygen is transported to all the cells by the bloodstream. Without oxygen some cells begin to die after several minutes, others after a longer period. While a person can go without breathing for a few minutes and still survive, without the life-force in his cells he is dead beyond all human ability to revive him. The Hebrew Scriptures, inspired by man’s Designer and Creator, evidently use ru′ach to denote this vital force that is the very principle of life, and nesha·mah′ to represent the breathing that sustains it.
Because breathing is so inseparably connected with life, nesha·mah′ (breath)and ru′ach(spirit) are used in clear parallel in various texts.
Job voiced his determination to avoid unrighteousness “while my breath [form of
nesha·mah′] is yet whole within me, and the spirit [weru′ach] of God is in my nostrils.” (Job 27:3-5) Elihu said: “If that one’s spirit [form of ru′ach] and breath [form of nesha·mah′] he [God gathers to himself, all flesh will expire [that is, “breathe out”] together, and earthling man himself will return to the very dust.” ( Job 34:14, 15)
Similarly, Psalm 104:29 says of earth’s creatures, human and animal: “If you [God] take away their spirit, they expire, and back to their dust they go.”
The breath (nesha·mah′) sustains their existence; the spirit (ru′ach) energizes and is the life-force that enables man to be an animated creature, to move, walk, be actively alive. (Compare Ac 17:28.) He is not like the lifeless, breathless, inanimate idols of human fabrication.— Ps 135:15, 17; Jer 10:14; 51:17; Hab 2:19.
While nesha·mah′ (breath) and ru′ach (spirit; active force; life-force) are sometimes used in a parallel sense, they are not identical. True, the “spirit,” or ru′ach, is at times spoken of as though it were the respiration (nesha·mah′) itself, but this seems to be simply because breathing is the prime visible evidence of the life-force(spirit formed) in one’s body.— Job 9:18; 19:17; 27:3.
Thus at Ezekiel 37:1-10 the symbolic vision of the valley of dry bones is presented, the bones coming together, becoming covered with sinews, flesh, and skin, but “as regards breath [weru′ach], there was none in them.” Ezekiel was told to prophesy to “the wind [ha·ru′ach],” saying, “From the four winds [form of ru′ach] come in, O wind, and blow upon these killed people, that they may come to life.” The reference to the four winds shows that wind is the appropriate rendering for ru′ach in this case. However, when such “wind,” which is
simply air in motion, entered the nostrils of the dead persons of the vision, it became “breath,” which is also air in motion. Thus, the rendering of ru′ach as “breath” at this point of the account ( vs 10) is also more appropriate than “spirit” or “life-force.”
Ezekiel also would be able to see the bodies begin to breathe, even though he could not see the life-force, or spirit, energizing their bodies. As verses 11-14 show, this vision was symbolic of a spiritual (not physical) revivification of the people of Israel who were for a time in a spiritually dead state due to their Babylonian exile. Since they were already physically alive and breathing, it is logical to render ru′ach as “spirit” in verse 14, where God states that he will put ‘his spirit’ in his people so that they would become alive, spiritually speaking.
A similar symbolic vision is given at Revelation chapter 11. The picture is presented of “two witnesses” who are killed and whose corpses are allowed to lie on the street for three and a half days. Then “spirit [or breath, pneu′ma] of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet.” ( Re 11:1-11) This vision again draws on a physical reality to illustrate a spiritual revivification. It also shows that the Greek pneu′ma, like the Hebrew ru′ach, may
represent the life-giving force from God that animates the human soul or person. As James 2:26 states: “The body without spirit [pneu′ma·tos] is dead.”

Therefore, when God created man in Eden and blew into his nostrils “the breath [form of
nesha·mah′] of life,” it is evident that, in addition to filling the man’s lungs with air, God caused the life-force, or spirit (ru′ach), to vitalize all the cells in Adam’s body.— Ge 2:7; compare Ps 104:30; Ac 17:25.

This life-force is passed on from parents to offspring through conception. Since Jehovah was the original Source of this life- force for man, and the Author of the procreation process, one’s life can properly be attributed to Him, though received not directly but indirectly through one’s parents.

Life-force, or spirit, is impersonal. As noted, the Scriptures refer to the ru′ach, or life-force, as being not only in humans but also in animals. ( Ge 6:17; 7:15, 22)
Ecclesiastes 3:18-22 shows that man dies in the same manner as the beasts, for “they all have but one spirit [weru′ach], so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast,” that is, as to the life-force common to both.
This being so, it is clear that the “spirit,” or life-force (ru′ach), as used in this sense is
impersonal.

So the spirit formed within man is the lifeforce that is within man, which God formed in man , which animates him .





2). "21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. 23 For I am hard- pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better." (Philip 1:21-23).


My understanding of the verses quoted :
Paul stated in galatians Galatians 2:20: I am nailed to the stake along with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who is living in union with me. Indeed, the life that I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and handed himself over for me.

He also stated in 2 Timothy 4:8: From this time on, there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will give me as a reward in that day, yet not to me only, but also to all those who have loved his manifestation.

Therefore if he lives, he lives for Christ , if he dies, he gains the reward of his faithfulness.

was Paul under pressure, and what “releasing” did he desire? Because of the circumstances he was in, (as he was in prison and probably facing death) Paul was under pressure from the two possibilities open to him: life or death. ( Phil. 1:21) While not stating what he would choose, he makes known what he desired—“the releasing and the being with Christ.” ( Phil. 3:20, 21; 1 Thess. 4:16) This “releasing” during Christ’s presence would result in Paul’s receiving the reward that Jehovah had prepared for him.— Matt. 24:3




3)"So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are
absent from the Lord ." (2Cor 5:6)
"8 [Yes] we have confident and hopeful courage and are pleased rather to be away from home out of the body and be at home with the Lord . 9 Therefore, whether we are at home [on earth away from Him] or away from home [and with Him], we are constantly ambitious and strive
earnestly to be pleasing to Him." (2Cor 5:8-9)
What did Paul mean by being absent from the Lord and departing to be with Christ?
O
"1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found Unclad. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life." (2Cor 5:1-4)
Is Paul talking about physical house, tent and cloth?If yes then how does these verses connect with the verses that follows?
"6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." (2Cor 5:6-
But if your answer is No then why did Paul
refers to his body as tent, house and cloth
since man is flesh?
See that tent, house or cloth needed to be put on or entered, then why did Paul used them to describe his body?
Please explain thoroughly and let your
answers be clear.






My exlanation of the scriptures above:
First of all,let me state clearly that contrary to some believe, in the verses of 2 cor 5:1-10 , no mention is being made of an object or substance eg soul or spirit being housed by the body (flesh). If paul was trying to imply that something is being housed , he would likely have made mention of what is being housed.
We must also note that the word "entering" or "entered" (to signify that something left something and moved into another thing ) is not mentioned in those verses (like I said before, dnt try to twist thoughts by adding what is not there)

I will also like you to read these verses as they give us a better understanding of my explanation.
2 Peter 1:13, 14
Php 3:10, 11
Romans 8:23
1 Corinthians 12:13
1 Corinthians 15:43
Philippians 1:21

Now to my personal understanding .

The main issue is the use of tents and houses in those verse. Tents were a distinctive feature of nomadic life, contrasting with the houses of
those having a more settled life. Thus, Abraham is described as ‘dwelling in tents’ while he was “awaiting the city having real foundations.” ( Heb 11:9, 10) It seems that during their stay in Egypt, the Israelites mainly lived in houses, not tents. ( Ex 12:7)
But upon leaving Egypt, they reverted to tents ( Ex 16:16) and used them throughout the 40 years in the wilderness. (Le 14:8; Nu 16:26) During this period two particular tents were especially important, “the tabernacle” and Moses’ tent.— Ex 25:8, 9; 26:1; 33:7;
Now even after the Israelites conquered the Promised Land, tents were still used at times by shepherds or agricultural workers in the field. ( Ca 1: Zechariah 12:7 likely refers to such ones, as they would be the first to be affected and in need of protection if an enemy nation came against the land to attack the city of Jerusalem. Also, tents were used by military commanders and armies when on distant expeditions.— 1Sa 17:54; 2Ki 7:7; compare Da 11:45.

Therefore The long contact of the Israelites with tents undoubtedly gave rise to the poetic use of “tent” to refer to any habitation, even if it was a normal house.— Ex 12:23, 30; 1Sa 13:2; 1Ki 12:16; Ps 78:51.
This familiarity with tents is also reflected in the Bible’s many figurative references to tents. Regarding the time he was approaching death, Hezekiah wrote: “My own habitation has been pulled out and removed from me like the tent of shepherds.” ( Isa 38:12) As a tent occupying a spot could quickly be taken down and removed, the poles taken out and the pegs pulled up, so Hezekiah’s place in the land of the living seemed transitory and easily removed. Eliphaz likened death to pulling out the tent cord, which would make a tent collapse.—Job 4:21.
In portraying the destruction to come upon the Jews, Jeremiah used the figure of a tent.
( Jer 4:20) He likened the desolated nation to a woman whose tent was down, with its cords cut. Adding to the pathetic condition, her sons were in exile, so there was no one remaining who could help her with the work of raising and stretching the tent. ( Jer 10:20)
When the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem, the city as a former collection of dwellings could be described as “the tent of the daughter of Zion” into which God had poured his rage.— La 2:4.


Somewhat similarly, Paul used the metaphor of a tent when speaking of the human bodies of spirit-begotten(those with heavenly hope) Christians.
A collapsible tent is a more fragile and temporary dwelling than a normal house.
Though existing on earth in a mortal body of flesh, the Christians who have the spirit as a token of the heavenly life to come look forward to “a building from God,” a heavenly body that is everlasting, incorruptible.— 1Co 15:50-53; 2Co 5:1-5; compare 2Pe 1:13, 14.
Jesus promised those who will go to heaven a new home and they will reside in it with a spirit body . I dnt know The way the spirit body looks cus I've never seen one , humans can't see spirit creatures unless they materialise or show us visions. But as at the time the verses were written, the disciples were on earth in a human form (flesh)but they aspire to be with jesus, to do so they will have to die and be ressurected with a spirit body to be with Christ,thus being clothed in a new body .

Ubenedictus:
easter doesn't exactly fall on 14th Nisan, is fall around nisan d same way christmas falls around tebet.

and yet it hardly falls on 16/17 Nisan. And easter wasn't fixed because of selfish reason and pride, if you don't read up on early church history then i advise you research on it because making accusations of pride.

because the catholic church decided to fix the date that way. The council of nicean decided to fixed easter around Nicean and each individual church fixed christmas around tebet.

Oga oga!,
1) why do the church use different processes to arrive at the date they use in celebrating their festivals ?.

The date for christmass is fixed on the Gregorian calender, while the date for Easter is not fixed on the gregorian calender , why is this so, when both dates are fixed on the hebrew calender?

2) can a date fixed on the hebrew calender be fixed on the gregorian calender?

3) why is Easter not usually done on the date it urccurs on the hebrew calender if not for pride and the determination to validate the day more than the date.? (at least if not for the Jews and the bible, we would not have known the date of jesus resurrection )

Goodkidd:
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Just watched fury again(2nd time in as many days), this is what I have to say to you

Thank you for advising me to watch it,its a great movie . Ill still watch it again .

No thank you for allowing me to watch it, its not a sweet movie .ill still watch it again and delibrately forget watching it.

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@ hiswordxray

1)You stated that "The English meaning of Sheol/Hade is "place of death" not grave. There is no English word to describe what the Jewish
call place of death that is why king James version use the word "hell" while some versions use the word "grave".

My remark/answers :
Sheol; She'ol , translated as "grave", "pit", or "abode of the dead", is the Hebrew term for the place of the dead, the common grave of humans, or underworld of the Hebrew Bible. It is a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous, regardless of the moral choices made in life, a place of stillness and darkness cut off from life and from the Hebrew God.
(source wikipedia)

Hades :Hades (/ˈheɪdiːz/; from Ancient Greek Ἅιδης/ᾍδης) was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. Eventually, the god's name came to designate the abode of the dead. ..............The term "Hades" in Christian theology (and in New Testament Greek) is parallel to Hebrew sheol (שאול, "grave, dirt-pit", and refers to the abode of the dead.
(source: wikipedia)

Grave: A grave is a location where a dead body (typically that of a human, although sometimes that of an animal) is buried.
(source:wikipedia)

Sheol /hades/hell/gravedom , as used in the bible all mean the same thing , the common grave of mankind/ place of dead and not "place of death" (pls let us not twist meanings of words in the bible)

2)you stated that "Man is made up of spirit, soul and body."

My remarks/ answers : when God created adam , he did not give adam a soul, adam is a soul by virtue of a lifeforce operating or activating his physical flesh .
Adam is a soul, animals are souls .
Or can you give us a place in the bible where man is directly said to be spirit, soul and flesh? (pls no derived analogy)

3)you stated that "Those verses you quoted where talking about the body/flesh of man.

My remarks/ answers : the verses stated what happens to man , the verses did not state what happens to only his flesh,the verses helps us to understand that man is flesh , man is a living flesh, God said it several times.

The verses stated what happens to his(mans) beliefs, his thoughts, hopes , aspirations, feelings, etc , all of these is the man , and all perish .
I will restate the verses again .


Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the
sun.(the dead experience neither joy nor torment. Indeed, since they are unconscious, they cannot experience anything at all)
Ecclesiastes 9:10 ; Whatsoever thy hand
findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave,(hell/sheol/hades)
whither thou goest.
Ps 115:17 ; The dead cannot sing praises to the LORD, for they have gone into the silence of the grave.
Ps 146:4 ; His breath goeth forth, he(man / adam/you/me) returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts(thinking, belief, hope,knowledge) perish.
Isa 38:18 ;"For Sheol cannot thank You, Death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your faithfulness.

The soul that is sinning will die(go to hell )


4) You stated : The Bible talked about "the spirit of man" which is different from the breath of God and this spirit has a soul.
Look closely at these verses:
"So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, that is, Tiglath-Pileser b king of Assyria. He carried the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manasseh into captivity. He took them to Halah, Habor, Hara, and the river of Gozan to this day." (1Chro 5:26)
"2 All the ways of a man are pure in his own
eyes, But the LORD weighs the spirits. 3
Commit your works to the LORD, And your
thoughts will be established." (Prov 16:2-3)
"14 The spirit of a man will sustain him in
sickness, But who can bear a broken spirit?
15 The heart of the prudent acquires
knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks
knowledge." (Prov 18:14)
"For what man knows the things of a man
except the spirit of the man which is in
him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God." (1Cor 2:11)
"The burden a of the word of the LORD
against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who
stretches out the heavens, lays the
foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit
of man within him:" (Zec 12:1) this last verse tells us that God formed the spirit of
man within man. It did say God breath the
spirit but that God formed the spirit. And
this spirit didn't came from outside into man
through his nose but this spirit was formed
within man.

My remark/answer: Sir, all these verses never said the spirit in man has a soul .(no twisting pls)
I will also explain further explain further .

The spirit an an Impelling Mental Inclination: Ru′ach and pneu′ma are both used to designate the force that causes a person to display a certain attitude, disposition, or emotion or to take a certain action or course. While that force within the person is itself invisible, it produces visible effects.
This use of the Hebrew and Greek terms rendered “spirit” and basically related to breath or to air in motion is paralleled to a considerable degree by English expressions. Thus, we speak of a person as ‘putting on airs,’ or of manifesting an ‘air of calmness’ or of ‘having a bad spirit.’ We speak of ‘breaking a person’s spirit,’ in the sense of discouraging and disheartening him. As applying to a group of persons and the dominant force activating them, we may talk of ‘getting into the spirit of an occasion,’ or we may refer to the ‘mob
spirit’ that infects them. Metaphorically we may refer to an ‘atmosphere of discontent’ or to ‘winds of change and revolution blowing through a nation.’ By all of these we refer to this invisible activating force working in persons, moving them to speak and act as they do.
Similarly, we read of Isaac and Rebekah’s “bitterness of spirit” resulting from Esau’s
marriage to Hittite women ( Ge 26:34, 35) and of the sadness of spirit that overwhelmed Ahab, robbing him of his appetite. ( 1Ki 21:5) A “spirit of jealousy” could move a man to view his wife with suspicion, even to bring charges against her of adultery.— Nu 5:14, 30.

The basic sense of a force that moves and gives “drive” or “thrust” to one’s actions and speech is also seen in the reference to Joshua as “a man in whom there is spirit” ( Nu 27:18), and to Caleb as demonstrating “a different spirit” from that of the majority of the Israelites who had become demoralized by the bad report of ten spies. ( Nu 14:24) Elijah was a man of much drive and force in his zealous service to God, and Elisha sought a two-part share in Elijah’s spirit as his successor. ( 2Ki 2:9, 15)
John the Baptizer demonstrated the same
vigorous drive and energetic zeal that Elijah had shown, and this resulted in John’s having a powerful effect on his listeners; hence he could be said to have gone forth “with Elijah’s spirit and power.” ( Lu 1:17) By contrast, Solomon’s wealth and wisdom had such an overwhelming and breathtaking effect on the queen of Sheba that “there proved to be no more spirit in her.” ( 1Ki 10:4, 5)

So sir, In this same fundamental sense one’s spirit may be “stirred up” or “roused” ( 1Ch 5:26; Ezr 1:1, 5; Hag 1:14; compare Ec 10:4), become “agitated” or “irritated” (Ge 41:8; Da 2:1, 3; Ac 17:16), be “calmed down” (Jg 8:3), be ‘distressed,’ be made to ‘faint’ (Job 7:11; Ps 142:2, 3; compare Joh 11:33; 13:21), be ‘revived’ or “refreshed” (Ge 45:27, 28; Isa 57:15, 16; 1Co 16:17, 18; 2Co 7:13; hope this will help u understand the lifeforce that God gave man .

Think of that life force as electricity that enables a fan to perform certain duty . The electricity is not the fan , but the fan cannot perform the functions of a fan without electricity, that is rotating its blades and rolling left and right. God, who gave the lifeforce or electricity can adjust the performance of the fan through the electricity giving .

You stated: Now the verses that clearly tells us about the immortal soul is:
"9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth ?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them
that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed ." (Rev 6:9-11).

The bold tells you the this people where dead and still dead but their souls was able
to go to God and cry and speak. And these souls were also asked to rest until others
were killed the way they were.

My remark / answer: sir , if you are taking this revelation literarily , then where is this alter located , heaven or hell? Why are they under the alter and crying out, thought they where supposed to sit on thrones and enjoy in heaven? In what sense are all the saints killed? this verses has already been addressed,and I'm in support or agree with the explanation, you are free to answer the questions.