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Emusan:
If my post from the beginning of this thread couldn't answer your question there's nothing I can do than this

Your organization has better answer than I do

"While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century."

"By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for [size=14pt]the Latinized form "Jehova(h)."[/size] The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. [size=14pt]Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation"[/size] Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, 1971, pp. 884, 885.

So your organization vividly knew that Hebrew scholars favor YAHWEH but chose the Catholic monk (in which the statement above even looks as an embarrassment statement against the monk) YET they claimed THEY WANT TO RESTORE THE DIVINE NAME OF GOD.

two questions for you:
1. Has your organization TRULY RESTORED the DIVINE name of GOD?

2. Now will the MONK who FORMULATED this name before being translated into English be among the Little one or the holy ones?

Pls direct us to where you made ur view on the question known on this thread.
Is it wrong to use "jehovah" as the name of the almighty God ? Lets hear your own personal view and not what others think or say .

Emusan, is it bad/ wrong/false to use "jehovah" when refering to almighty God ?

@emusan , pls stop using abusive /derogatory words when refering or making reference to others or their statements. Is not good and only people who like or enjoy attacking other peoples personality do that .

Emusan:
Your organization has better answer than I do

"While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century."

"By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for [size=14pt]the Latinized form "Jehova(h)."[/size] The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. [size=14pt]Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation"[/size] Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, 1971, pp. 884, 885.

So your organization vividly knew that Hebrew scholars favor YAHWEH but chose the Catholic monk (in which the statement above even looks as an embarrassment statement against the monk) YET they claimed THEY WANT TO RESTORE THE DIVINE NAME OF GOD.

two questions for you:
1. Has your organization TRULY RESTORED the DIVINE name of GOD?

2. Now will the MONK who FORMULATED this name before being translated into English be among the Little one or the holy ones?

I'm asking you , is the use of the name "jehovah " wrong when using it as the name of the almighty God ?.
If you cannot answer the question , let us know. Stop dribbling , stop making reference to other peoples opinion ,let's here ur own view

@ emusan, is the use of the name "jehovah" wrong when using it as the name of the almighty God?

This thread is just a bad attempt at discrediting jehovahs name.

I say again , unless u state that jehovah is not the name of the almighty God , then stop what you are doing.
Are you saying using the name "jehovah" is fake?
Are you saying using the name "jehovah" in reference to the almighty is wrong ?

Pls believe in ur heart that jehovah is the almighty God, and out of his love for mankind he sent his only begoten son , his first creation to ransom us back to God. So that everyone exercising faith in this ransome sacrifice might have evalasting life.

Binb:
What is your proof that eve did not have "menstrual issues" before

Because, prior to the sin , her body metabolism was perfect. As a woman, she will have menstruation, but there will be no issues such as pain and other sicknesses related to that cycle. These is what God has promised to restore to us if we believe in him with our heart,and make declarations that jesus is the one he sent to be our savior.
In doing these , we will enjoy what is recorded in isaiah which says that there will not be pain and suffering anymore.
Nothing comes out of the mouth of jehovah and goes back unfullfilled.these the bible has proved on numerous occasions , that why we should have faith that the future promises will also be fufilled

Unless you can prove that that name is false/fake. Then leave them to use it.
If the name is true, then dnt fight it and stop castigating a group of people for trying to use a true name with the defense that one is better than the other. Instead fight with those who have tried to remove this name from the bible , a name jesus wanted us to know

See people trying to discredit others in their attempt to restore Gods name. Instead of lambasting others who delibrately replaced the name.
Jesus wanted people to know that name and unless u tell me that the name "jehovah " is false, then I dnt see the need for ur posts .
Even other bible translations are trying more and more in restoring that name into their translation , or are u saying they are wrong to do so?

ROM 10:9 makes mention of two persons . You will be saved if you do two things (1) confess with ur mouth that jesus is lord(first person) and (2)believe in ur heart that God(second person raised that jesus up from the dead.

ROM 10:10 talks about those two things we must do to be saved and gives further explanation on them . Believing is not enough, one has to declare his faith .

ROM 10:11 says "for the scriptures says " (which scriptures? Definitely the old testaments right?read isa 28:16 )those that believe jehovah in their heart would not be disapointed

ROM 10:12 tells us jesus is lord of all. These paul got to understand after his trip to damascus.

ROM 10:13 is a direct quotation of part of Joel 2:32 and the name jehovah exist in the part quoted and two other times in that verse. Some versions changed it to lord there and in ROM 10:13. These the nwt has restored, like wise some other translations too.

What we learn : believe in ur heart in jehovah and have faith in him and then confess that jesus is the means through which he has arranged our salvation (john 17:3)

Further explanation : Joel in verse 27 of chapter 2 talks about jehovahs promise. he then tells us of a future event in which jehovah pours out his spirit on his servants . This was fufilled and confirmed by peter in acts 2:16 . He made us to understand that Joel said it and it was fufilled that day.
All the things Joel said in those quoted verses made mention of the name jehovah , why then do we follow Satan in removing that name when those verses where quoted by jesus disciples. Even to the extent of removing such name from the old testament.

oikechukwu:
I caused? Once again his yoruba pick and choose tactics come out.
Your people have been wishing igbo death prior to your oba statement. This was not the first nor the last time your people rejoiced any time any igbo was threaten or killed.
If you doubt me, go read the responses from yoruba after north made a threat to the entire south couple months ago. Who was it on the thread that began singling out igbo despite the north not singling anyone out? Answer: Yoruba
The 2011 election killing up north, who were the group that rejoiced and laughed on this forum when they taught it was predominately igbo killed? Yoruba. Didn't you people began condemning BH when it was discovered many of their Southern victims are equally Yoruba.
Spare us una usual sermons when your hateful, vile wishing gets spread out for all to see.
Now Igbos are daring una to try that people hidden wishes.

And btw: I may not be in Nigeria but I sure have ways to assist and finance wtf wahala una start. Upon finishing my school, I'll gladly transfer back to Nigeria to assist my ppl in what gra gra una think you ppl can do.
Remember from your own government mouth, the most illegal weapons found in Nigeria were in Anambra state and majority of the illegal weapon containers discovered where all heading to Anambra state. You people honestly think Yoruba dare start killing igbos in Lagos that igbos in SS, SE and aboard will let that sh1t happen with no wahala? You people have deluded una self too long. You better go and call up north and find out why their ppl in SE keep running away anytime a swamble up north between igbos and north are reported. Why the government constantly send armies to Igboland during any northern swamble.
The problem with you cowardly lots is you ppl think we are a docile group which will take una BS without making noise.
A group of ppl people that fought an entire country alongside their allies for 3 good years despite having limited weapons and training. A group of people that fought oyinbo for years during colonization despite having limited weapons, do you honestly think we are scared of Yoruba?

Since we are tired of your people yearly constant insults and constant threats that holds no water, we finally fed up with it. We urge una to do una worst; that's when you people will realize one single igbo man, woman or child's blood is sacred to igbo people.

U are right ok , hope these ends the abuse

BluIvy:
Unfortunately yes, especially if they are perceived to be condescending towards the indigenous people, they wouldreceive the same treatment. They would be called out by their ethnic /tribal name. Hence I say, in Africa things are different.

And to be honest let me relate my own encounter with an igbo guy in SA who was a bouncer at Cubana Cafe, in Cape Town. I had gone to fetch my Namibian friend at this cafe coz he was drunk and could not drive. This guy after we had a disagreement about my friends (R5000) expensive cognac, that he refused for him to take out but stole and hid it his own car.

The guy blatantly told me this is not Kayelitsha I must go back to Kayelitsha, which is a township in Cape Town created for blacks by the then Apartheid government. Which is a huge insult to any black person in SA. Imagine the audacity?

Why I am telling you this? To prove that Igbos in their loudness can sometimes be extremely offensive to indigenous people forgetting the pain/sensitive points of those people.

Well when other blacks in the Cafe heard that it was war, the guys jumped him and police had to be called in. Other Nigerians would then turn and say it was Xenophobia when it was just someone who did not know how to curb their tongues and got served.

We all need a certain level of emotional intelligence which sometimes people in situations like these lack.

Point of the story is, guard your tongue to other people's sensitivity or you could get in trouble. Which is what @ EUROBOMBER has been trying to say.

Thank you for this post. Abusing a traditional head cus he said something wrong is not the right way .

oikechukwu:
Oh they really do. I remember seeing an article where two igbo arm robbers were caught in Lagos, after several background checks they ended up finding those boys were Yoruba. Even in my neighborhood, there was this Nigerian guy that kept using fake checks to buy groceries in the only African store around here. I'm going to assume the ediot did it not just the African store. I know it was the African store that reported him though. Why he did it multiple times knowing the check will bounce, only God knows. The Ghanaians that owed the store were pissed off, even promoted a reward for the assistant in the dude's arrest. Everybody was under the illusion the dude's name was Chukwuma. When he was finally caught thats we ended up finding out the niggas name was actually Femi and Chukwuma was just one of his "friends". That was the sickest of it all, the guy was using his friend's name for check fraud knowing fully well if anyone ever notice, the first person they'll blame is a Chukwuma. It's f2king sad. The only thing that said that igbo dude was the Ghanaians owners. If not for them being invested in the whole case, that nigg@ would have been rotting in jail for a crime he didn't commit.

As for their lies. Shebi you no see wetin I had to go through with one on this page. Despite evidence presented the dude still maintains his lies. Yoruba and lies na wa oo.

Until I read this post I have decided not to reply you as I've seen that you dnt hold back in abusing and trying to degrade others, I cannot discuss under such circumstances. you are very tribalistic and thus you describe urself as "we" and others as "you people".

I've seen that you dnt reside in lagos, hence you dnt mind if the matter is settled or it resorts to violence and anarchy.
I have easterners in my extended family and would not love to see them running helter Skelter when the whole wahala starts.
U might be safe where you are, its the ibos and yorubas who support or exchange abusive words with you, and who resides in lagos that I pity.

Kontinue! One day na one day. But when it happens , ill hope to be at a safe location reminding you of what you used ur abusive mouth to cause.

oikechukwu:
I didn't even read this. After reading your first sentence and seeing the out right lie and playing victim, I knew the rest is going to follow through.

My answer to your lies, make sure the evidence is not still out.
https://www.nairaland.com/2239278/guber-poll-oba-lagos-reads

Here you go. Compare and contrast on just page 0 alone, how many of your brothers supported and taunted igbos based on the obas stupidity rants to how many igbos insulted him or even how many Yorubas condemn him. After you do so then read the entire thread from beginning to end and redo the same comparison

Mtchewwwww. You people lie no be small to convert una feces.

Btw: this is not all. This is just the first thread that started it all, if I drag all up here, you'll hang your head in shame for outright lie

I've read most posts relating to this issue, the thread u posted even support my view. Those that supported the oba are wrong , they know it and hide their statement under their personal hateful view of the ibos . By looking at what they said, u will know that they where tribalistic .but when the abuse of the obas position was abused, the point of discussion changed .
How many high ranking and respected yorubas hve u seen surporting the obas statement.

U can call the oba names and classify him as stupid , but once his subjects start reacting, hatefull words might become useless then o.
I still believe 90 % easterners living in lagos would love peace to reign , my fear is the 10 % like you who want lagos to go up in flames because of ur refusal to understand the sensibilities and political sensitiveness of another tribe.

oikechukwu:
Actually No. You might want to go and recheck that thread about your oba making those statement. Majority of your yoruba brothers supported him, even went to the extent of taunting igbos. The insults to your oba is what resulted out from you people taunting. That's one thing I can't stand about you people. You ppl try to lie through your teeth and play victim.

When that hausa boy went on twitter and requested for the killing of Igbo ppl during the presidency election..how many igbos went crazy over it? Very few and that's because we actually saw the northerners condemn the boy in Linda ikeji, twitter and other blogs till the point the boy started recanting and lying he was "hacked". Even though, we know the north did the whole swamble to save face and there defense most likely wasn't their true intent but the fact they did it calmed down nerves. While for this one, all we saw was out right justification, applause, agreeing with the Oba and even taunting. Now that una gra gra have finally caught many attention and your oba is getting insulted daily, you ppl want to recant and play victim. Spare us una usual act pls.

Not all of us are like this coward OP. Not all of us will twist it like it is just to appease you people hateful, vile and despicable hatred una bore for the average igbo person.

When I read most of the statement in the thread, it followed a pattern . The oba did something wrong the ibos castigated him , called him names, abused him and cursed him . Because of the reaction of the ibos , some yorubas felt insulted and replied negatively due to their reverence for the post the oba held . You can see that the issue has shifted from "what the oba said", "if he is right or wrong" to "what can you do if the oba said so " .
Most yorubas do not accept what the oba said , but they reacted to the ibos reaction, these reaction is what u are also reacting to thereby shifting the issue from the statement of the oba to the issue of cowardice, hatred and all others. If the ibos have waited for the yorubas to tell the oba he is wrong without recourse to abuse and threat, the issues might not have resulted to this.

You cannot compare the statements made by a citezen to a statement made by an oba, both are handled differently .
In yorubaland , high ranking obas are well respected, and their is a process of solving mistakes made by those who occupy the seat. Abuse of that post might make the subjects react , the reaction and the subsequent re-reaction is what I do not know or want experience. And if you also do not want to experience such , the catalyst that assist such reactions should be taking away.
When you call a man coward, lazy, dirty, u tell him his land does not belong to him , even if it is true ,I wonder how you expect him to view you, with love and respect? Naa! , I dnt think so .
You can punch ur friend and he might laugh it off, u might even slap him and it will end up being solved over a couple of beers, but you poke him in eye! , friendship will be trown into the dustbin .

On the politics of these issue .(my personal opinion)
The way the yorubas and ibos vote are very different, their reasons and ideaologies are also different.
Ibo idealogies allow them vote in blocks and this affect the calculations of the present leaders in the yoruba political society. These they hope to stop but some of their leaders present statement (like the statement attributed to the oba) is a wrong approach . Nevertheless, the ibos should have seen these sensitive issue of the yorubas and who govern them and how they choose their rulers from afar of and not collectively dabble into it under the guise of democracy. Yes there is democracy in nigeria , but we should all also note that their are unwritten rules and codes governing the process. Breaking those codes could possibly lead to anarchy , anarchy fuelled by bad tongue, hateful speech and unwholesome personal views.

On these issue, both tribes should use their sixth sense o.
Gbogbo eniyan lo mo ibere ija, ko si eni ti o mo ipari re!

When I heard what the oba of lagos said, I felt bad and also did not agree with him. But I also felt that the matter should not have been handled the way it was handled by some people.

The Yorubas hold their elders and obas in high exteem even though they do not support everything the oba says or does. The yorubas have a framework of correcting issues and in this case such framework should have been adopted.
The ibos should have allowed the yorubas handle the wrong statement made by the oba the way the yorubas do . As most ibos can see , most yorubas do not surpport the statements atributted to the oba and they should have left it to the yorubas to solve the issue in a peaceful manner.
But now the issue has been heated up , ultimatums has been issued, threats given and outcome of a fight between both tribes postulated.

The tongue is verry powerful and people should learn how to control it . Calling the oba names like fool, illeterate, king of touts, coward will not solve the issue.

Two men where admited to luth with the same injury (though at different dates). During the operation , one refused blood transfusion and had his operation postponed for a while due to the hospital fears. The other accepted blood and operation was done immediately.

One month later: the man who took blood died due to after effects of the blood he took.

Over two years later: the one who refused blood is still happily telling his story to anyone who cares.

Hiswordxray:
Yes that what JW does; they run away from the truth.
Simply question he cannot answer.

Pls tell us the truth, pls pls pls, let us hear the truth from you . Answer my Bible based questions, and if you can't answer, pls tell us what the truth is.

can you tell the whole world that I did not make mention of and explanation of what paul meant when he said that "we are in the flesh" in page 4 of these thread ?

Hiswordxray:
Still didn't answer the question.
So let's try this again.
You said "we exist in the body"
Who is we that exist in the body?

Ok I give up, I do not have the mental model to play ur game, I'm not a politician.but let tell you this:

Everyday, people read the bible and more and more are coming to an understanding with the truth. Tactics, shrewed methods and coercion has not stopped them . They will keep on asking questions and answering them . If you can't give them truthful answers, they will know,if you are playing politics with their search for the truth, they will know. Gullibility, a trait which most religious bodies have cashed in decieving people who search for God is fast declining and people are becoming wiser.

Hiswordxray:
Didn't answer the question.
So let's try this again.
You said "we exist in the body"
Who is we that exist in the body?

You just dey showcase your personalty to everyone. Its women and kids that argue this way. I've referred you to the page and time I replied you, but ur fear in answering my question is making you hold on desperately to this method of prolonging the discussion.
I told what paul said and why he said that in the post I refferred u to. go there and study my answer, then answer my own questions

Hiswordxray:
You didn't answer the question.
So let's try this again.
You said "we exist in the body"
Who is we that exist in the body?

I've answered you in the other thread and here. I'm not like you who can't answer questions. Check page 4 , 9.21PM , March 26.
Now pls pls pls ,answer my questions ? We have derailed the thread long enough.
(Explain Gen 3:19)

Hiswordxray:
I told you we are not going any further until you accept the statement you made: "we exist in a body"
My question is who is "we" in that statement?

Oga ade!
1 Did I tell u that I did not make the statement?
2. Have I not explained the statement to u?
3. Have u answered any of my questions relating to that statement?

in the other thread, I've explained the words of paul to you , I did it again in this thread, yet you no gree see am.

I no only use pauls word, I used Gods word , prophetic recorded statements and knowledge on human biology to explain my views, u no counter my prove, u no bring ur own prove, and yet you no gree .

I ask you questions to clear the air on what the bible is saying , you no gree reply , u no gree answer

You claim that I can't condemn you for your sins cus u feel that I'm a sinner too .

I can bet that you must be getting some financial reward from the present falsehood postulated by christendom, hence you fear accepting the truth.

If you have the truth, use the truth to answer the questions I posted to you.
If you have prove that we are spirits in a body, let's see it.

What has changed between 2011 and now

1. jona's pdp has more states but now has less.

2. Pdp had more elected members in government but now have less.

3.pdp had political big wigs in 2011 but now has less.

4. Most people are less connected to the internet in 2011 than now, and have more knowledge about the atrocities and cover ups of the president.

5. Most important. I really liked jona in 2011 , now I dnt like him at all. Watched his interview on BBC and my question was " how did the nigerian people not see this disaster in 2011.

Hiswordxray:
You claim we are flesh.
But if "we" exist in a body (flesh) then we must be different from the flesh i.e we are not flesh -- simply deduction.
Paul doesn't need to state that we are spirit because the people he was speaking to knows that we are spirit.
If I am speaking to you do I need to say "we men live in a house" ? Of course No. We all know we are men not dogs, so I don't need to add the word "men".
What you JW try to do is to twist that which have been believed from ages just because your little mind can't comprehend it.

You know the truth and it is dancing in front of you but you are refusing to accept it. I won't go any further in arguing with you until you accept the first truth I revealed to you. Therefore I will keep bring it up and reminding you of how you imply that we are not this body. It's only when you accept this truth that we can move on to the next one.

I did not claim we are flesh, the one who created us in the scriptures said we are flesh. if you feel we are not flesh, then prove God wrong.

Apostle was speaking to every human on earth. He , other disciples, the prophets never said we are spirits in a flesh, if I'm wrong , then show me .
I do not know we are all men, some of us might be angels or demons using these medium to communicate.

If you feel ive twisted the truth, then use ur truth to answer my questions . It should be easy for you na. Just answer the questions I asked and let us examine ur answers to see if you re saying the truth or if you are the one twisting things .
Add these questions to ur answers
8. What does the bible say happens to man when he dies.

Hiswordxray:
I simply imply the principle that Jesus stated "Let he without sin be the first to cast the stone".
You are accusing me of not accepting sound Biblical explanations (we I didn't do) and I simply reminded you that you've committed the same sin you are accusing me of.

And don't try to denial it because you clearly stated that "we exist in this body" meaning that we are not this body but a different being the live in a body.

Sir, why do you do this? We are not in a court of law, neither are we playing a game of who is the smartest . Why do you always side step and change direction when being asked thought provoking questions.

Most people reading this thread do not know how or when during our discussion ,I made that statement. In that discussion after shifting several times , you finaly found a statement you believed you could hold on to, to prove ur false assumption. You refuse to accept the explanations on that statement and all other numerous proves associated with our discussion.
In that discussion , I explained to you why paul made that statement, that "we" (he and others with heavenly hope)"exist in the body"(there present nature)at that moment , but have hope of that nature changing from a physical body to a spiritual body.

In that discussion I should you what God called man(he is flesh), what he told adam concerning what he is and where he is going(he is dust, he will return to dust), how he made adam , how he turned adam to a living soul(not that he had a soul), what soul means, what happens to man when he dies, what death means, what the spirit in man is , how spirit in man is same as spirit in animal. These , I took time using the scriptures to explain to you. I even took time using the human knowledge of our biological makeup to explain to you, yet you no gree, neither did you bring up a scriptural explanation of ur belief or an explanation of the scriptures I cited, but kept on changing the structure of the discussion.

This same character is what you are exhibiting on these thread. You bought the matter of spirit in human body up and tried to mix my statement on "we exist in the body" with ur belief that we are spirit existing in a body. Do you not for once once think that if ur assumption where to be true, it would have been easier, better and clearer if paul would have said that we are spirit in a body? But he never said so, nobody ever said so ,y? , cus it is not so .
I've tried to give you an opportunity on this thread to prove me wrong by answering the questions I asked you, showing my beliefs to be false, but you have continued with ur nature of side stepping thought provoking questions cus u dnt want ur church mind to start questioning ur mindset .if you feel you are right, then you should have no problem in giving answers to the questions I asked.

If you think I've sinned in that other thread that's why you feel you have the right to sin on this thread and not get stoned, then I leave you to the sinless one to do the judging . Be happy that you are not stoned because you feel everybody else is a sinner

Hiswordxray:
What about when I showed you that we are spirit living in a body, do you accept? even though you stated by yourself that we exist in this body i.e we are not this body. Now you come here to play innocent when you know you are guilty of not accepting correct Biblical explanations.

Sir, are you a politician? Why are you changing the direction of discussion .

I will reply this post so that others might not think you re telling the truth.

1.Pls can you post the bible verse you showed me that stated that " we are spirits living in a body " , or where I said " we are spirits living in a body"?

2. What do you understand by the statement " adam became a living soul" ?

3. Did our creature , who knows what we really are ever say "man is flesh" several times in the bible ?

4.where did our creature tell adam he came from and were did he tell him he will return to?

5.did the bible ever say that man and animals have the same spirit and same eventuality ?

6. did the bible ever say that " man(the person himself) goes to the ground when his spirit leaves him?

7. Most importantly, if its true that man is a spirit being housed in a body , when did you (the spirit) enter the house. at birth, conception, embryonic stage or when you where still spermatozoa .?

8. If you feel that I refused to accept your biblical statement in another thread, does that give you the moral justification not to accept biblical statements on these thread?does the outcome of that thread affect the outcome of these thread?will me believing what u said on that thread affect your believing what was said on these thread? If the answer is no, then why did you bring the issue up, while still not answering the questions posted on these thread or while still not accepting the biblical explanation posted on these thread .

Ur truthful answers to those questions will help us to know if you are telling the truth or not.

Hiswordxray:
Stop making noise and explain this verse for me:
" Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" (2Petb1:1 NKJV).

It pains me to see u state that bible verses quoted and explained are all noise to you. Thought you were a bible student .
Several bible verses which tell us directly and explicitely, without need for indept study ,the relationship between God and jesus have been quoted. Yet you refuse to look at them or explain ur own view of what does verses are saying .

Several verses where jesus said the father is his God have been revealed to you , but you call it noise.

Several verses where it was said that jesus is subjected to the father, subjected to God , does not is will but the will of the father , that the father sent him to come and save us have been revealed to you, yet you hold on to doctrines that God warned the isrealite about.

Several verses showing you that God and jesus are two seperate persons, one is always sitting on the throne and the other sitting or standing at its right hand are in the bible, yet you dnt read it or quote it.

Several verses where jesus said he was told to do this or that, he has been giving power , he was anointed, he was filled with holy spirit, he has been giving authority, he worships and serves his father, we are his brothers , he has companions/ fellows are everywhere in the scriptures , yet you believe he is almighty God.

Not one verse that explicitely states that jesus is God .
Not one verse that explicitely says jesus and God have same authority.

You now try to hold on to ur explanation of 2pet 1:1 when several translations says otherwise, when several others explain in their footnotes what that place is saying .

When verse 2 explains that the God and jesus he was talking about in verse 1 are two seperate persons .

When verse 8 and 11 explains better on who jesus is , that he is our lord , that he is our savior through the directive and command of his God and our God , the father.(read acts 5:31)
Me I tire o! . But I no go tire , will continue to show everyoone what the bible is really saying

Hmmm........phase 1.....6 years...


Pls before I comment , abeg how many phase be the project?

oprajo:
what of acts 13:2?

The holy spirit is an active force that jehovah uses to perform different functions and this force exerts power. Some of those Anointed with the holy are said to be able to perform certain miraculous works . Some are said to be able to see visions, some giving power to endure certain trials while others are said to hear directives and instructions through the holy spirit. All these is part of the helper role that jesus said it will perform when it comes upon followers of jesus.
In acts 13:2 , the people who are there were ministering to jehovah when it was recorded that the holy spirit said. Does this not imply (in accordance with the other bible verses on Gods usage of the holy spirit ) that god used that force to impact what was said to them .
That the holy spirit speak does not imply that it is a person. A radio speaker saying understandable sounds does not mean that the radio is the originator of the sound , but someone(a person) is using the ability the radio has to transmit information, and anyone giving such oportunity can use that radio to do the same thing.

In not sure of the following bracketed statement but I still assume it is true unless contrary prove is being brought forward( Unlike jesus, angels , demons, jehovah, spirit creatures that the bible ascribed personality to , holy spirit has in no where in the scriptures been said to have a conversation with someone. other spirit creatures mentioned have had conversation /discussion with others and it is recorded .)

The holy spirit is being poured out and likened to a gift to different People and it is being used to anoint .
Luke 11:13 explains that God gives those who ask for it the holy spirit just like a father gives his children gifts. Surely this holy spirit is not a person.

Binb:
Have u forgotten your claim that menstruation and birth pang is as a result of the sin committed by eve? So in essence you are claiming that all women are being punished by the sin comiitted by their mother. That was why I asked if that is the Christian concept of justice. I.e punish the child for the sin of the parent. You have not answered that

Pls do not lie against me, I did not claim what you stated above.
In my explanations to you , I made mention of the fact that the sin they committed led to imperfection. There body was not perfect any longer . Therefore the result is increase in birth pangs. You made mention of birth pangs in animals and I told u the difference between the two , stressing the fullfillment of the word "increase" .

I thought you fully understood the biblical verse on increase in birth pangs and other ferminine issues that's why I never bordered to us the words "increase in birth pangs " in my first post which was in a form of a question and not a statement.

If I ever mentioned the word "menstruation" , pls show me where and ill explain . But if I did not , pls recall ur statement.

In my wrong assumption that you have a good understanding of the bible but wrong belief in its words , I added menstrual issues to my questioning . This was done on the thinking that you understand that those things where not there when eve was perfect . Eve did not have menstrual issues (problem related to mestruation such as pain ) before the sin.

I was saddened by ur latest post cus I feel u deliberately want to hold on to something despite repeated explanations by me on the issue of birth pangs .

In ur next post pls answer this : based on ur own religious beliefs. Is God punishing the child that inherited HIV from his parents cus his parents sinned.
Is God punishing a child that inherited painful degenerative hereditry desease just because his parents sinned ?

Issue on the arch angel continued.
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Now let's go back to Daniel. After making the first reference to Michael ( Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy
reaching down to “the time of the end” ( Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of Daniel’s people.” ( Da 12:1)
Pls note, Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” ( Da 12:1)
In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king.

Daniel 11:2-4:
King James Bible
And now will I shew thee the
truth. Behold, there shall stand
up yet three kings in Persia;
and the fourth shall be far
richer than they all: and by his
strength through his riches he
shall stir up all against the
realm of Grecia.
And a mighty king shall stand
up, that shall rule with great
dominion, and do according to
his will.
And when he shall stand up,
his kingdom shall be broken,
and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked uph.

Daniel 11:7:
King James Bible
But out of a branch of her
roots shall one stand up in his
estate, which shall come with
an army, and shall enter into
the fortress of the king of the
north, and shall deal against
them, and shall prevail:, even for others beside those.

Daniel 11:16:
King James Bible
But he that cometh against him
shall do according to his own
will, and none shall stand
before him: and he shall stand
in the glorious land, which by
his hand shall be consumed.
(Also pls read verse 20, 21)

since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon. — Re 11:15; 16:14-16,and the book of Revelation 12:7, 10, 12 specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s
Kingdom and links this event
with trouble for the earth: “And
war broke out in heaven:
Michael and his angels battled
with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them!
Woe for the earth and for the
sea.’”

Jesus Christ is later
depicted as leading the
heavenly armies in war against
the nations of the earth. ( Re
19:11-16) This would mean a
period of distress for them,
which would logically be
included in the “time of distress” that is associated with Michael’s standing up. ( Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the
Devil, and his angels.

to be continued ......

fashrobbin1:
not at all bro

Thanks a lot Bro .

Wanna ask, if I flash it, what will happen to the apps on the phone