Kobojunkie: Those are supposedly the words of Paul, not God. And we know that God is True so He cannot contradict His own self.
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Alright Sir. So you feel God will sacrifice is only begotten son just for few people to make heaven? Did Jesus die for a few people or for the whole world? Jesus understood that his mission to die on the cross was to give man the access to eternal life (which is a gift) but unfortunately man has free choice and hence can refuse the gift of eternal life and choose death instead.
wirinet: Gbam. To the discerning, you have achieved enlightenment or Buddhahood. God is a personal experience. Different people have their own personal experience of God and some don't experience it at all. It does not make one person's experience more valid than another. The greatest tragedy to me is trying to convince others to accept your own experience of God as the only valid experience, while everyone else experience is invalid.
Exactly Boss. The concept of spirituality is a personal experience. Some are interested in God, some are not. It's Choice
3. Where exactly did God state that He wanted all men to be saved and come to a knowing of the Truth(Jesus Christ) ?
Didn't the same reveal that the soul that sins must die - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 -3 ?
Wasn't it Jesus Christ who declared that only a few who enter into the Kingdom of God will make it into Heaven - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 ?
4. Ok, so those in the underworld are those who have been granted eternal life - this by believing in God -, and not those condemned to perish upon death on this earth. Then, If they already have eternal life and this through Jesus Christ, why do the Sons of God need to go preach to them again?
Everyone who dies and have ever died will go the underworld whether they have been granted eternal life or not. What will seperate those that have recieved the gift of eternal life is when the trumpet shall sound, they shall awake and meet the Lord in the air while the remaining shall remain asleep till the judgment day. (Do you understand)
3. Where exactly did God state that He wanted all men to be saved and come to a knowing of the Truth(Jesus Christ) ?
Didn't the same reveal that the soul that sins must die - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 -3 ?
Wasn't it Jesus Christ who declared that only a few who enter into the Kingdom of God will make it into Heaven - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 ?
4. Ok, so those in the underworld are those who have been granted eternal life - this by believing in God -, and not those condemned to perish upon death on this earth. Then, If they already have eternal life and this through Jesus Christ, why do the Sons of God need to go preach to them again?
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The reason why Jesus mentioned that only few will make or enter the kingdom of heaven is the same reason why he declared that he is the way, the truth and the Life. So that it wouldn't just be few who will enter the kingdom but as many that believed on his name. (Do you understand)
3. Where exactly did God state that He wanted all men to be saved and come to a knowing of the Truth(Jesus Christ) ?
Didn't the same reveal that the soul that sins must die - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 -3 ?
3. 1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 2:4 *Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth*
[quote author=Kobojunkie post=104124571]Maybe not everyone has a constitution strong enough for that kind of experience that Paul supposedly had.
You may be write and maybe that's why the Bible only recorded Apostle Paul as having only that experience of intense light shining on him. Or do you have another example?
Kobojunkie: Maybe not everyone has a constitution strong enough for that kind of experience that Paul supposedly had.
I likened myself a Jeremiah as well - a tormented soul- before I came to truly understand who Jesus Christ really is. So when you compared yourself to Jeremiah, I really desired to understand what the similarities could be.
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That's a nice experience. I wish everyone can come to the understanding of who Jesus Christ really is but unfortunately, it may not be possible before the end of the world but it will become a reality when the new world shall come for the scriptures says "the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the sons of God even as waters cover the sea" (that's a story for another day). The reality is that we all proceeded out from God, even lucifer before he fell proceeded out from God until he became corrupt. So every child born into this world has a call of God upon his Life to manifest and express the nature of God, unfortunately, man also fell and disobeyed God until Christ came to remedy the effect but it doesn't appear to be so now because the god of this world is still the devil. Atheist argue that God doesn't exist because he is just watching and not interfering in the evil that is prevalent on the Earth. It's almost as if God is silent but I tell you, God is not for God resides in each and every one of us. We are our own worst problems and enemies and unfortunately, the solution to a problem doesn't exist at the same level of the problem. The solution to a problem is always higher than the problem if not, how will the problem be solved. The entity we call the highest is "God" and that's the solution to the problems we created ourselves but God doesn't dwell in the sky but within us.
Kobojunkie: 1. God showed you things in a night vision like He did Jeremiah? Jeremiah had more than one night vision though.
2. How does one live a "successful" life outside of God? By what standard is this success you speak of to be measured?
3. If you believe that Jesus Christ already went to the underworld to preach to the souls, for what reason then do you believe and expect that those who you refer to as sons of God will do the very same?
4. And since you believe that the souls that did not hear the Gospel are somewhere in what you call the underworld waiting for these sons of God, am I to take it that you do not believe God's definition of death as given in Genesis 3 vs 17 - 19 - from dust you(mind, body and soul) were made and to dust you(mind, body and soul) shall return?
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1. I have and still have numerous encounters though.
2. "Success" is a relative term. For me success is simply a life of fulfillment. You can have all the money in the world and may not be fulfilled, that's not success. The Bible says, "the blessings of the Lord maketh rich and addeth no sorrow to it". Look at the world richest men, many of them are atheist and don't believe in God. And of course the notable ones among them are divorcees. So one can be successful in career, finance or whatever outside of God. Success follows principles, it's just like the law of reaping and sowing, you don't need God for that. (I hope you understand)
3. You need to understand that the underworld isn't hell fire. There is presently no human in hell or heaven at this moment (I'll add the scriptural references later). After Jesus preached to the souls in underworld, of course many joined later after Jesus left to be sitted at the right-hand side of God. Why I am sure that the sons of God will still go to the underworld to preach is because, God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. He wouldn't want the death of his son to be in vain. That's my personal opinion though.
4. The concept of death is very interesting and intriguing. But do you know that we shall not all die but many that are alive at the lord's coming shall be Transformed. When paul will talk about the believers in Christ that died, he didn't mention them as dead but as asleep because they have eternal life in them. An asleep person can be awoken but a dead person cannot be awaken. The underworld is a place where men are dead( but asleep) for there is a second death and that's what will differentiate enternal life from eternal death.
You likened your God experience to that of Jeremiah, the prophet, why?
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Many times I wish Jesus can just appear to everyone like he did to Apostle Paul. I don't know why he doesn't do that. Paul before he encountered the intense light was a strong persecutor of the gospel of Christ but the light converted him.
You likened your God experience to that of Jeremiah, the prophet, why?
Just like the prophet Jeremiah, the Lord (I like calling him the spirit or king of Kings) appeared to me in a night vision and showed me things but before I continue I'll like us to know that in the end days, many will depart from the knowledge/experience of God because really, you can live a successful life outside of God. That will be the time when gross darkness will cover the earth and the people but a supernatural event will happen and the sons of God which the Bible mentioned will begin to manifest. The darkness will be so great that many if not all Will rush to the light to be saved. Unfortunately, many will still decide to perish. Did you know that when Jesus died, he went to the underworld to preach to them there? But am very sure that some people didn't believe him there and they remain there till today. In the time when the manifestations of the sons of God shall fully awaken, they shall go to the underworld and preach to the souls of men that were not privileged to hear the gospel during their lifetime. Many will accept, some will not. That's the power of our free will, it brings in the factor of the possibility that we can reject, deny or rebel against the one who made us. In the end, many will self destruct just as lucifer in the first age.
2. According to the Gospels, the light is Jesus Christ and we are called, by Jesus Christ, to let that light that is He, shine through us. Are you saying that apart from Jesus Christ, that we are each of light, not darkness?
3. Are you saying that Jesus Christ is not indeed the Truth of God and hence not the Word out of God's own mouth, as He claimed?
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2. The gospel you talked about was given to you from an outside source. I ask you, have you seen/experience/touched the gospel in your inner being?? Explaining this concept of light is like explaining light to a blind man, he wouldn't understand until the eyes becomes functional. (I'll talk about that later). Now back to your question, many people have come to this experience of this light through Jesus (me inclusive) but that doesn't mean that Jesus is the only way to have this light/experience. The light I talk about is just like a location, there are many ways to get to a location. The fact that you got to the location through a specific road doesn't mean that that's the only road that exists. (I hope you understand). Everyone of us is light, that's our nature but when we came to this world, we forgot who we were and that's why you can never remember the events that happened when you were given birth to. The fact that you can't remember what transpired on the day of your birth showed that you forgot you're light but that doesn't mean that when you come to the experience of this light, you'll remember what happened on the day of your birth. Some may remember but many won't. In summary, everyone of us is darkness until we discover/ come to the experience of who we really are.
3. Anybody can claim whatever he or she wants to claim. If someone claims something, I do not care whether what he claims is true or not. The real question is, can what you claim have an effect in my life? Can it transform me? Can it bring me to a realm of understanding. God is a subjective experience and because of that fact, a lot of stories can be made and that's why we have different versions of God. I do not know if God exists or not that's not my concern but I know that I exist and that's where you should start from. Start from something you can experience before you move to the imaginary.
Kobojunkie: You mean a possession then or an invasion of your space by another consciousness?
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It was a progression. At first, it was a possession. I was incredibly stubborn, destructive and if I wished evil on anyone it always almost comes to pass. Of course my parents dealth with me seriously. Lol. By the age of 8, I grew interest in the Bible and I read it everyday and then I began to have numerous encounters. So the destructive instinct or force or whatever dissapeared totally and a new consciousness was built in me.
Kobojunkie: Interesting! 1. Who is the imaginary God and what mandate did He give to you?
2. What do you mean by remaining in the light and yya the light is who we truly are?
3. Are you saying that when Jesus Christ declared Himself the Way, the Truth and the Life, you think Jesus Christ wasn't really speaking the whole Truth?
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Number 1 is a personal stuff. Maybe one day, I'll share it.
2. It's difficult to explain intellectually because it can only be understood by experience and not the intellect. Remaining in the light simply means "opening your eyes" but in this case not the physical eyes but the inner eyes. When you close your eyes in a clear bright day, your subjective reality is darkness even though light is everywhere, you'll only come to the objective reality of the light when you open your eyes, the same applies to the inner eyes.
b. And yes, the light is who we truly are just that many of us are not awaken to the reality of who we are yet and the enemy is our mind. We think we are our mind and that's where we got blind. The mind is a good and useful tool, it is also the most dangerous tool but we are not the mind. We are not the body also, because the body changes as we grow older. So if we are not the mind and we are not the body, then what are we?
3. When Jesus declared that he is the way, the truth and the life and no man can come to the Father except by him, it is an open statement and different people will give different interpretations to his statement. When a person comes to the reality of the light, one begins to see and reason differently, then compassion is birthed and one would like to help others that are in darkness. To answer your question, Jesus was speaking the whole truth but that was his own experience. It's more like when you're in love and you tell your girlfriend, you're the most beautiful girl in the world. That's a subjective experience, to you at that moment, it's your truth but to another person, it may not be true to him/her. Hence, your reality should be based on your own personal experience, the holy books, teachers or whatever should just be a guide. Once you've discovered yourself, you'll stay true to your own convictions.
Kobojunkie: sounds like you mean instead Multiple personalities disorder or dissociative identity disorder?
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No it's not Multiple personalities disorder or dissociative identity disorder. It's hard to explain the experience. Fortunately, it was not severe enough to make me "mental" lol
. Truth be told, the version of christianity we are practicing now is a nonsense version. I do not claim to have the perfect version but truth be told, christianity has lost its real power. Indeed the imaginary God has appeared to me and given me a mandate but am not that interested because when I observe the past history and past moves of God, it's almost as if they have no current effects right now. Life keeps getting worse and worse. The onus lies on us to change the world but am not even interested in that because if one man change the world for the better, there is a possibility for another man to change the better to worse. So what's the point. For me, I choose to remain in the light not because I am scared of hell or want to live in heaven, but because the light is what we are truly are. And just as there are different ways to make and create light, there are different ways to come to this knowledge of the light. I found my own light in Christ and I do not condem others who claim to find their own light outside of Christ.... Let me seep wine.
It's too numerous to talk about. My first encounter was when I was 4 years old, I was sick unto death, I saw death face to face but something entered me and I awoke. Since that time, I couldn't recall anything that happened to me prior to that experience and I became schizophrenic because it was like two personalities living within me. My eyes were opened and I could predict things to the details. I became totally different from other people... Other encounters coming soon.
Kobojunkie: No,I mean are you saying you have also never really experienced God in Truth - you have no true knowing of Him - but would not stop doing what you call the great commission nevertheless?
I have experienced God in truth and that's why I can't deny his existence
Kobojunkie: Hold up.. what is it you said there about the great commission?
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. that's the great commission
HardMirror: I almost went mad too when I began to hallucinate. I would be seeing spirits and there was a time I a very big hand came out of the wall and wanted to touch me. I have many experiences I can't share here. I am just so glad I am saved now.
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Almost having similar experiences with you, spirits or whatever beings talk to me and tell me things but I don't give a f*ck. Many times I blurt out loud, why are you disturbing me?
HardMirror: CONTINUATION... CURIORITY and DARING TO QUESTION GOD
The christian God is regarded as a FATHER NOT a SLAVE MASTER. I took God as my father. I discuss anything and everything with him. He was a friend I loved so much. We had a one on one relationship. This meant I could ask God any question I am a practical person, I don't just hear the word, I do the word. People in the bible had chats with God and He is my father and friend so why should I not ask God questions and why should he not answer? So ask God sincere questions
1. My Number one problem: We are to preach to all nations and make sure people don't perish I and many christians I know were trying our absolute best to depopulate hell as fast as possible. To make sure people don't just hear the word BUT they actually get saved. Someone asked why I pray for at least 12hours. It was because of the burden I carried. The burden of soul winning. It was terrifying that many were going to end up in hell and burn forever! if you are a christian and you believe people will end up in hell and you don't preach and try to win souls everyday YOU ARE WORSE THAN BOKO HARAM. FACT! How can you have peace of mind and sleep at night knowing you hold the secret to eternal life in your hands and you are comfortable? How dear you buy luxuries when you can put that money into soul winning? How can you be asking God for more money, when you should pick up your bag and preach. How can you be asking God to pick up your call so you too can drive Range Rover? It started becoming apparent that even God was a wicked God. Why?
-so he is all loving, loves humanity more than any man could ever love another man. More than an earthly father would love his son. YET God would let people perish in hell for even telling a lie no matter why you tell the lie or how small it is?
- so the best a God can do is to send humans to preach His word?
Oh wait! Seems you don't understand Jesus died in Jerusalem for the sins of the WHOLE world and If anyone dies without christ he was going to end in Hell. Wait! Do you know how many People would have died in Africa, South America, Australia, China, India, europe, before the Gospel reached them? Do you know how many people die per day?
So all these people will go to hell? The clever answer will be NO, the won't go to hell because they did not know. Oh! So if they won't go to hell because they were ignorant, why preach the gospel to them and make them informed and now if they die with the tiniest of sin without christ they end in hell. Why not leave them ignorant so their souls can be saved based on their ignorance.
How long did it take for the gospel of christ to reach the whole world? Is god truely the God of the whole world or of Jews?
It did not just add up. This whole gospel thing started to crumble the more I thought of it.
That is just a tip of the questions I began to ask God. Of course he had no answer. The same God that reveals other peoples issues to me could not answer this.
Interesting... Same question I keep on asking everyday, I may not know all the answers now but that's not enough reason for me to stop doing the "great commission" many times, I feel like christians who are fanatics or fervent are just mere pawns in the scheme of things. I love the concept of christianity except the aspect of fear "hell" and reward "heaven". It doesn't even makes sense that I am a sinner because Adam sinned, it's more like saying my hands got burnt because I put my hands in the fire. When christians loose arguments, they threaten with hell and everlasting condemnation. Nonsense!
It's a long story, but I'll try to keep it short and to the vital points. Please endure the length.
There's a girl i met at a theological college in where I was studying to become a clergyman and also learning a skill under the civil engineering department of the college. She was my junior in the course, as I was a year away from graduating from my first course, while she was just a fresher. She was always having issues getting through her courses and projects and would always ask for my assistance since I was the course rep in that department. It was forbidden to have any intimate relationship with your course mate or anyone in the college for that matter, the penalty would be expulsion. But unfortunately for me, out of sheer lust and seduction on her part, and gross indiscipline and lack of self control on my part, I got intimate with her and we ended up committing fornication during one of our semester vacations. And it just happened once, of which out of deep regret and remorse I confessed the matter to the college Admin when the next semester resumed. We were panelled, after which I was suspended, while she was expelled.
During this time I was learning a skill sponsored by the college, of which I use to get paid some weekly stipend. After I was suspended I was also stopped from continuing my apprenticeship, because I was not to associate with any of the students or lecturers in the school while my suspension lasted. So I was without a job and without a source of income since I wasn't yet mastered on the skill. The condition that was given to me to resume my studies and apprenticeship was that I should go and get married before I could come back to college, so as not to be tempted to repeat my error. But I wasn't ready for marriage whether financially or any other wise for that matter. So while I was contemplating my next move, this girl came to me that she was pregnant, that she needed us to go and see her parents. I told her I had no money neither was I ready to father a child at this point in my life. I pleaded she should give me time to think about what next to do. Two weeks passed, and I called her to enquire about her welfare but her number wasn't reachable, I decided to go to her place, but I was told she had travelled a week ago to go see her family. A week later, I received a call from a woman telling me she was the girl's mother, that her daughter came home with a pregnancy, and she asked me if I was responsible for the pregnancy, I answered her in the affirmative. She then asked when I was coming to see her family. I told her I wasn't sure about coming to see them that I needed to speak to the girl first. She said okay, then later that day the girl called me, and I told her to come back for us to talk deliberate on the way forward. When she came she told me her parents (who are by the way divorced) will not accept her nor the pregnancy without me coming to see them for marriage arrangements.
I explained to her I wasn't ready for any such thing, that I have a calling to answer and a course to finish, that what happened between us was just a stupid and careless mistake that has been as a setback for me to achieve my goal, and that I was ready to overcome the trials and get back on track, and I explained to her that before then I had neither dated nor been intimate with anyone for over seven years, and so any kind of relationship or marriage was not even in my nearest future plans, and besides, I didn't even have a job, not to mention having enough money to embark on a marriage plan. She said she would never accept such excuse, that I should look for whatever means to make sure I come see her parents before her pregnancy becomes obvious. She also said that she needed money to move her belongings back to Imo state where her family resides. I agreed to raise some money for her. I went to do some menial jobs and raised some money, about ₦20k, which I gave to her and she traveled back to Owerri. From then on her parents kept calling and pressuring me to come and see them for marriage arrangements. I told them I was going to come, but just to introduce myself to them as the person responsible for their daughter's pregnancy not for any marriage arrangements. But they disagreed, that if I wasn't ready to come for marriage that I shouldn't bother coming. I pleaded with them to give me enough time to look for money to come and see them, but they instead started threatening me with court cases and arrests, at one time they brought the girl and some soldiers to my family house and harassed my family members including my mother.
So I later traveled to Benin city to go look for money. After one week of my arrival in Benin, I lost my phone and I couldn't retrieve my number. I lost connection with them until I got back to Uyo where I got her phone number from a friend of hers. At this time, I was told that they came to my house several times with police officers claiming I raped their daughter and impregnated her then absconded. At this, I established contact with the girl again and she told me that I should not bother her that she wasn't in the mood to talk to me, I kept calling her but she often ended up abusing me or we often times ended up in quarrels, so I left her alone for sometime.
Two weeks ago I related the matter to one of my distant uncles, who advised me to gather some money and go see her, I called her and told her I wanted to come and see her before she puts to bed, which is expected to be sometime next month (August). But she told me that she still stands by what her parents had said, if it's not for the marriage issue that I should not come, that I should rather send her the money I would use in coming so she can use it to buy the baby clothing and buy some hospital requirements before she puts to bed. I called her parents and they told me the same thing, and said if I don't come for the marriage agreement before she puts to bed, that after she's delivered of the baby I should forget ever coming, and should never mention that I have a child anywhere not to mention coming to claim it ever in the future. And that I should just forget about her and the child.
The issue now is this, I am a bit frustrated because I seem to have lost everything at the moment because of this issue; my calling, the skill I was learning is gone, I have no job aside the menial jobs I do at construction sites which isn't available regularly. Now the little I have saved so far, I am contemplating on whether to use the money to pay for my skills training and continue with it and start my life afresh and forget about her, the child, and her parents, or use the money to support her in her hospital requirements for her delivery. Because I don't want to be seen as abandoning her when she is in this condition, and I also don't want to give up on the child, though I'm not capable of taking care of the girl and the baby right now, and probably, I might end up getting married but not under my present circumstances. I know I've made a grave mistake and this is the consequences for not being true to myself and my calling, and I deeply regret it, and I've suffered for it in any way I can possibly imagine, but I also need to put my life back in order, because right now I'm so devastated that I'm contemplating terrible alternatives to survive the storm, I'm at a very critical moment of my life and I just feel like giving up on life altogether. Please I need your help and advice on this issue. Thanks.
PS. Please if anyone is willing to teach me any skill, I would be very grateful and willing to learn.
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Eyah, unfortunately you're not the father of the child. You've been played. Sorry man, but I can help you out if you wish to be helped
Now this babe is ready to have sex with me if I connect her to one of my friends and they eventually get married. It just reminds me of how far ladies can go to get what they want.
I fear this other gender. We were very good friends before we started dating. We broke up last year during the Covid period, since then, we didn't see each other until last week Thursday when we met coincidentally. I didn't have sex with her because I wanted to keep myself for marriage but we use to romance a lot before we broke up. You won't believe that on Thursday that we met, we still romanced each other, she came yesterday and we talked about somethings. She was asking me to connect her to some of my friends for marriage. She is still coming to my place on Thursday. Me just dey observe her sha. When she is tired, she'll leave.
collinsfhk: Okay, no problem. But this is too much a mistake from a 'Pastor' of his calibre supposedly ministering on the pulpit under the influence of the Holy Spirit. However, this is not the first. Let's us be wise. Thank you
It's very explanatory but the reality is that many people who claim to believe in Jesus christ still commit one sin or another. Well, a man has not truly believed Jesus if he is still in sin.
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SIMP of the first order. Your girl is cheating on you
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