@OP, I don't think there's anything to be worried about. If you're comfortable with NIV, by all means continue. I personally use KJV, NLT occasional amplified in my personal study.

As I said at the other thread, and yes, as disconcerting as it sounds, KJV contains many verses which were not in some earlier manuscripts, hence its removal in later translations. However, I believe this does not in any way negate the validity and inerrancy of the Bible as a whole. It remains and will remain God's infallible message to his creation.

EverestdeBliu:
Simple, just 3steps...
1) learn and understand the Hebrew language,for the Bible was originally written in Hebrew.
2) Get the original Bible,untranslated and read the whole from word to word.
3) Before venturing into 1 & 2,pray for the SPIRIT's guidance and divine understanding and interpretation of His word.

And where do you get the original hebrew text from?

MrPresident1:


Ishi, there is no relief yet, we have been shouting about the authenticity of latter day Bible translations and the motives for their production and circulation for a while now, hopefully a few more people will do their own research and get to their own conclusions, everyone will not see it yet, but blessed is the one who is able to make the connection, because it is the first step out of slavery.

The NIV Bible is heavily doctored and compromised, is it when they publish the gay Bible that my people will wake up from their slumber? It may just be too late by then.

The Bible is written in figurative language; deep allegories, metaphors, etc. It was never meant to be literal, or literal interpretations are the very first steps, remember Paul warned about the dichotomy of milk and milk and the Proverbs tell us about understanding the dark sayings of old.

The NIV compromised Bible in its fake and dubious attempt to make the Bible literal (purportedltyto make it easier to understand) has heavily doctored and watered the Holy Scriptures to suit an evil agenda, this is a very serious attempt to hide the truth of God's nature, and it is a direct attack against God.

See how the KJV and NIV renders this verse:

Isaiah 45:1 KJV
Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

Isaiah 45:1-7New International Version (NIV)
45 “This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

Look at how KJV renders the verse, pay close attention I know you are very good with English, you will realise that 'loosening the loins of kings, and opening the two leaved gates' is figurative language for the effect of fear that now causes one to lose control over ones bowels. God is telling Cyrus that He will put Cyrus' fear in the nations he would subdue.

Now compare with the rubbish NIV has interpreted. This is one of many.

Daniel told us that the wise will understand.

How do you know KJV is the right one, and NIV is wrong? Hope you are aware they were both translated by humans like you and I. Or do you have access to the original manuscripts?

christaddicted:
The comment below came from a teacher & a bishop.


THE NIV WAHALA!

I have had to address privately questions bordering on the NIV and the name of Jesus. Some of the inquiries are through my inbox while others are direct.

I didn't consider it worth troubling myself about but since the faith of many is being rattled I'm obligated to talk. FIRST, let me say that I've used NIV all my life and find it very good. I also find it worrisome that those calling it names demand that it be torn or burnt. NEXT, let me say that the Bible does not warn only against removals from but also additions to the Bible. Having said that, the critics have not proven to us that the KJV with which they judge the other versions is not an addition to the word of God.

THIRD, the criticisms assume the KJV is the original bible. That is not so. The KJV like the NIV and other versions, is a translation from the original manuscripts which are in Hebrew, Greek and aramaic. To verify the accuracy of any version therefore will require comparison with the original manuscripts and not other versions. To do this one has to not only be versatile with the original languages but also the science of translation known as TEXTUAL CRITICISM.

I happen to be introduced to elementary knowledge of textual criticism while doing a masters degree in theology at the evangel theological seminary Jos. I can tell you that I've not yet found any reason to rate the NIV anything less than the best scholarly work on translation of the bible.

I know that ZONDERVAN is nothing but a printing press. It is not responsible for the translation of the Bible. It also has published many other sound Christian literature as well as many ungodly ones. NIV was a work done in 1964/65. From the claims of the critics Zondervan was bought over in 1998, 34yrs later. How can that nullify the accuracy of the NIV. AGAIN, I observed that all the "missing" texts are footnoted by the translators.

FINALLY, I have been around for sometime in this race. This is not the first time it's coming. it wont be the last. I think that this is an attack on the Bible. The devil does not want the Bible in the people's language. He fought it at the beginning killing Tyndale and co for translating the bible from the vulgate (the Latin version by Jerome) to English. NIV employed the principle of dynamic equivalent in translation which simplifies the language without losing the force of the truth as in the paraphrases. The KJV is the product of literal translation and is limited to the Masoretic texts of the Bible.

My take is own as versions as you can afford and use the one that best guarantees the understanding of the truths therein.

This is not exhaustive but I hope it can give you peace in these perilous times. God bless you all and keep you blameless until his coming day.

Bishop cnc

Beautiful!!!

@Christaddicted, in the light of this, don't you think you should amend your original post?

@OP, A pagan cannot be righteous simply because it has very little to do with his/her good works. Righteousness is a gift from God; when one believes and accepts the finished work of Christ.

Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

A pagan is a pagan not because of his evil works per say, but because of his refusal to accept Christ. So no matter how good and lofty his action are, or how 'pure' he is, the end that awaits him will be very unpalatable unless he gives his life to Jesus Christ.

No be small thing. There are no less than five threads this week alone on the issue. But you should understand why its causing such a storm.

Many anchor their faith on the Biblical inerrancy. God cannot lie, so His Word must be, and is, completely true. Indeed, God breathed His sacred Words to the original authors and what they wrote was totally true to the last dot.

However, much of those manuscripts - the NT in particular - are no longer available. What we have are manually transcribed versions some of which, many scholars believe, contain interpolations - wilful/inadvertent additions by scribes.

Thus while the original texts contained the infallible Word of God, the same cannot be said of the various translations, notably the greek NT, even in the KJV.

I understand that to the average Christian, the mere thought that God's divinely inspired Word has been tampered with causes the nape hair to stand. It raises disconcerting questions. If the Bible I'm holding contains things not said by God, how then can we trust any part of it??

Gladly, a lot of brilliant Bible scholars Willaim Craig, etc, have done justice to the issue. I also read an article on translation process , posted by Oladegbu some time back, and it made a lot of sense.

Those behind the recent attempts to discredit NIV are either totally ignorant of Biblical translation/transliteration process or actually have malicious intent: why the focus on NIV btw? A lot of other contemporary versions also exclude some of those verses seen in KJV.

As Craig puts it, it doesn't mean every word in our translated Bibles are true, it means the message is true. Whether KJV, or NIV, or NLT, all of which I use, the central message remains clear and unambiguous: Christ is the risen King. Those who believe in Him and repent of their ways will be saved. Shalom!

Good post OP. God Bless!

not again!

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Ola and his kweshuns. . .

This thread should be renamed Atheists zone. smh

I'm shocked to my bone marrow reading some of the comments here. Unless you all want to convince you're all atheists, why all the aspersions on Kumuyi? What is the relation between him and Biafra?? I'm not a Deeper life member, but the insults on him are totally uncalled for!!!

@ Biafrans, you may have justifiable hatred for the Nigerian project and as such choose to align with the radio guy. Fine. I would however appeal that you know where to draw the line especially when spiritual things are involved. Let it not be that when certain things start happening, you start wondering why. Its not a threat, just an appeal for us to tread carefully in spiritual matters.

May the Good Gracious LORD have mercy on us all. Amen.

onetrack:
It's amazing how religious people become when people mention homosexuality. But mention divorce, greed, GLUTTONY, and fornication and religion goes into hiding.....

Religion does not "go into hiding". The Bible expressly condemns all those vices you mentioned. The reason homosexuality seems to be getting special mention is the attempt by a brainwashed group to portray it as 'normal' or acceptable, even by Biblical standards, which is lie from the pit of hell.

For what its worth, I'm yet to come across anyone who would try to justify stealing or fornication - you dont see people forming an association of proud fornicators!

Bottom line, sin is sin, whether homosexuality or fornication or stealing. Those involved should repent and be saved. Shalom

@STEVENcrack, you should know better than trying to engage Atheists. While some sincerely seek answers, most are out to deride our faith. I believe its more profitable to pray for them to see the Light before its too late.

May we all remain rapturable. Amen

MrKontrovErsy:
i dont get ..killed by muslim
wen shz a muslim?

She was of the Yazidi religion which are traditionally enemies with Muslims. She was allegedly killed (I should state there are conflicting reports about the actual reason for her stoning) for attempting to convert to Islam in order to marry her Muslim lover

midolian:
watch the movie and see for yourself. You ll come back to tell me I wasn't wrong.

OP is not totally wrong. While the picture he put up comes from the film, "The stoning of Soraya", Du’a Khalil Aswad's stoning to death actually occurred.

Na wa O!! PLs we need to pray for our country.

Brilliant post by OP. God Bless. But as others have said your DP is not too encouraging.

You guys are funny. Do you know how the KJV was obtained in the first place? Obviously not, going by the comments of needless hysteria I'm seeing.

Firstly, The Bible as we have it today was not written in English. It had to be translated from the available manuscripts by humans - who were not infallible - like you and I.

Secondly, the original manuscripts penned by the authors of the various chapters were no longer available to the translators. The texts used by the KJV translators were the ones copied by scribes from the original. It should be noted that during Biblical times, there were no printing press available: in order to make another copy, it had to be hand written. One cannot discount the possibility of minor transcriptional errors in the process.

With the publication of the KJV, more manuscripts (eg, Codex sinaticus), some of which have been found to be older and more reliable than the texts used by the KJV translators, were discovered. In some of these manuscripts, some passages--eg those highlighted above by OP--were either not found or were rendered slightly differently. This led some scholars questioning the credibility of some of those verses i.e. the possibility that they deliberately/mistakenly inserted during transcription.

To their credit though, I know NLT (not too sure of NIV) usually includes footnotes at the bottom of the pages that explain the missing verses.

vivaciousvivi:
Oh comon! Blocked the drain pipes? Its not possible is it?

Of course it not true. Its a prank. Seme.n upon release liquefies in a matter minutes, a process accelerated by heat ( since they use warm water presumably).

If indeed a blockage occurred, then is likely tru other sources, definitely not some.n

HungerBAD:


The TIV Tribe in Benue State give their wives to visitors.
openly.

Nigeria is a country of HYPOCRITES and are acting like America just invented the word GAY, we have our OWN forbidden things as stated above that we do. Let us clean our HOUSE before another Country's problems kill us in Nigeria.

If you want to your gayyish tendencies, feel free. But don't start pulling false info to justify your abhorrent sexual lifestyle.

Tivs do NOT give their wives to visitors.

uniben actually tried this reduction in fellowship thingy in the late 90's. unfortunately it didn't last long.

Jascon4:


Now that's my girl. The unbiased and objective one.

You have won me over....now I'm tempted to say...

Can i...

its a source of joy we still have decent morally stable ladies.

you can see the comments of some of them trying desperately, yet futilely, to justify what is clearly an immoral act - most likely becos they guilty of it.

TrishaP:

So a girl cant take a selfie and post on online regardless of the place because guys will always pass judgements.

 What kind of a world is this? Why are you guys just so damn judgmental.. if a guy does the same it's a thumbs up to him and when a lady does that she is tagged a b.i.tch..

What if my sis traveled to a place or an event then she decides to stay in a hotel rather than that of a clustered guest house provided and then she decides to take a selfie of herself and put online? Heck I do the same... Answer that?! What will you call that when you don't know an ounce of why she did.

Smh SILLY PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. You Guys won't seize to amaze me at all..

I rest my case here.

easy sister. take it easy. you'll see the overwhelming consensus is that such character is not what you'd expect of decent, well brought up girls.

you lodge in Sheraton hotels and next thing is to post selfies ONLINE!! if its private then its a different thing. but putting then online is intrinsically immoral. cheers

Forwetinnah:


Smh...so a lady working in a reputable firm can't check into a hotel on a business trip and take pictures of her room? Poverty?! Why is the OP generalising that very picture taken in a hotel room by a lady screams promiscuity. Some companies even have permanent hotel reservations for senior officials, what if some of them are females?? So if a lady is going on a vacation overseas, she's allowed to carry her house on her head to her destination? Biko which Airline/bombardier jet dey offer such service?? It shouldn't be a general statement as such the OP is wrong

no self respecting lady would take pictures in a hotel toilet and then post same on social media.

you guys shd give it a rest. ur defending d indefensible. posting selfies from toilets of expensive hotels is what you'd expect from harrlots

a final advice to d children of hate deriving sadistic fulfilment from hurling insults at one old enough to be their grand father: PMB will be your president for the next four years, God sparing his life, whether you like it or not.

if your satisfaction comes only from insulting PMB, for no reason at all, then its imperative you seek treatment for your condition, because u guys are not okay. I'm being very sincere here. Shalom.

Beync:
comes around my dear. Honestly Gej deserves not only award of peace also of patinence for taking all the nonsense from these mofos thru 6yrs of nigerian ungovernable condition. Its too early for these learners to cry wolf, they av not seen anytin yet.

an award for taking to d brink?? honestly how u conscienceless taniods sleep at night. tufia *shudders *

IsraeliAIRFORCE:


Stop the lies.

Check Elrufia twitter page to see your misconception.

liar. the earliest insult you can see against GEJ is 2011, which followed his decision to contest.

wow!! i went tru some posts and I must say its been an eye opener for me. its so touching and im moved to tears. God will surely give you all the much cherished baby bump. my pastor will always say s far as you were all born by a mother, ur case cannot different. Your testimonies are on d way indeed I see some already have testimonies. Amen!!

I can't help noticing, though, were are d men (husbands). it seems to all ladies affairs and I know for a fact d fault is not always from d woman

did d family release d pic themselves? I'm thoroughly disappointed. the pic should not be for public consumption.

meforyou1:
I work for the federal government, and I am lucky, we are paid as at when due. Yet the money is not enough. I keep wondering how despicable my life will be if we are owed for 1 month, not to talk of 2 or more. It will be a total disaster beyond explanation. My heart goes out to all the state workers that are being owed, irrespective of party affiliation.
Just that Niger State House of Assembly members, dishonorable people that call themselves honourables, weren't sure if they would be paid at the tail end of the last dispensation, they initiated a phony impeachment against the governor. And when a whooping 17 million nairal each was paid into their accounts, they all shut up. And I wonder if these politicians ever have conscience

my broda I feel you die. by the special Grace of God, I'm very well paid and its always on time (25th sharp), but certainly cannot imagine what would happen if just one month is owed!!!. so I really shudder to think of the state civil servants and d peanuts they receive (20k, 30k, 50k or even 100k) and its not even regular! many with moths to feed, school fees, house rent, etc. how on earth they surviving

kai!! Nigerians r suffering o!!

It is total unfair, wicked and indeed the height of unpatriotism to be deriding the president so early in his tenure.

As I speak now, there are no fewer than 5 threads with the sole purpose of making mockery of him. I think the MODs should do the needful. This nonsense should stop.