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Jamesaugustine:
Stay with your current job considering your family and education and additional compensation.

Note: 1st ask your boss to make all d promises official with new offer letter otherwise if itz jst only verbal promise of promotion without official documented .

PLS MovVE TO LAGOS WIT UR 350K offer and face new challenge which will contribute and enhance your career.

Best advice IMAO

Lumiere91:
Most importantly,is he in heaven?

How is that ur concern?

joychioma19:
Good afternoon all. I got married last year June to my lover of 3years . I am currently pursuing my second degree program and my husband has been most helpful, encouraging and supportive.
I am the first child in a family of 7.ever since I got married,my mum has been wanting to know what is happening in my home. she expects me to tell her everything that happens in my home. She calls every day, sometimes as early as 6am when I will still be in bed with my husband. my husband doesn't complain, but I know he is not happy about it.
Recently, she called to tell me that ever since I got married that I have stopped buying things for my siblings which is not true because sometimes I send credit to them and that is all I can do for now. My mum tried to push the blame to my husband and I told her to keep my husband out of the matter,she got angry and cut the call, then she later sent me a text saying "thank God am not her only child and that I should marry my husband very well" meanwhile my husband bought her a very expensive Samsung phone in December and he constantly recharges it for her.
One week after she said that stuff, I fainted due to exam stress( meanwhile am heavily pregnant and almost due). my husband called to intimate her about it, but since then she has not called to know how am doing.
Mum has once asked me how much my husband earns and I told her I don't know. by the way money is not her problem because she has chains of business. she expects me to tell her everything that happens in my home, but I can't discuss my family, assuming she discussed hers, she wouldn't have built a stable successful home with dad. I have discussed with her and dad about this, but she still won't stop. she always insults me at will, she is used to blackmailing someone emotionally, then plays the victim.
So my fellow nairalanders, how can I get to stop her excesses and emotional blackmailing nature? am so tired of her, she stresses me mentally.

Know exactly what you mean and how you feel. My mum may not be as proficient as ur but she used to be quite good at blackmails and playing victim early in my marriage.
She did it to all my siblings and when she was doing it to.my I realised she does it out of worry. Its not that she reallyy means to be popnosy but cos she raised use she has this wry feeling that we wont survive without her. I had to sit her down and talk sense into her then gave her some distance till she decided it was time to let go.

Now what you too should remember is that an Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. One cant do what one doesn't know. We caught out elder sister doing similar things to her teenage daughter. Trying to control the girls life. Bear it mind human actions revolve round. So remember to hold yoursf back when you caught yourself soing similar to ur kids.

themall:
Of course if there is any error in my posts that can be pointed out on Nairaland, please do not hesitate to throw light. But when you thought that you can confuse us with special procedures, you are seeing how your claims are being debunked and corrected.
I noticed the usual arrogance in your posts before your declaring you're a radiologist. I can't ascertain to your qualifications but am glad you are in agreement that a radiologist is not a radiographer, and one could face criminal and negligent charges in a law court. Medical Associations and Registration Councils have exerted ultimate penalties on medical officers even here in Nigeria. You may know of some examples during the time of Professor Olikoye Ransome Kuti as Nigeria's longest serving health minister.

Yes I heard about such cases. Ofcos I am in agreement afterall both radiography and radiology are similar and its all for the benefit of the patient. I have once ordered an examination before and given explicit order how it should be done only for my radiographer on call to come to my office and disrupt my work saying what I ordered wont work. I almost grew a horn, I was mad and didn't hesitate to tell him that. I even threatened to report him to their chief radiographer. The youngman refused to do that investigation so I didn't it myself and ran into so difficulties. I had to swallow my pride and called him. He came and we solved it together. After that exmaination I learnt humility, it was then he explained to me that it was not that he didnt want to do the examinations but that he had had similar difficulty for the same examination and had found out that the hospital protocol for that investigation was wrong that if only I have relaxed and listened to him....
After that day, I listened to all the radiographers esp when they came to.me for something.

olowodaddy:
This thread is being derailed by some over sabi doctors. I don't think the op opened this thread to prove who is more superior between radiologists and radiographers, feel free to open another thread for that contest.
For now let's stick to enlightening the millions out there especially our jambites who can still benefit from the untapped potentials in Medical Radiography.

am sure you meant me. no vex. I will try and add information where I can after all we are all here to learn.

skimarvel:
sir I practice in Luth and I tell you those examinations you mentioned are examinations that are carried out once in a blue moon with the exception of angiography and you sounded like the examinations were meant to be done by you .do away with your pride and realize that patient diagnosis doesn't rely solely on you again..nowadays doctors only make assumptions and send request forms that makes you wonder how lazy they have become!!

There you misunderstand me again. I told you what radiologist in europe and Ameria do. And yes those examinations I meantioned, I do them myself. Not cos the rsdiographers can do better or similar after all I learnt from one of them when I was still green around the ears. But cos some cases are so unclear that one.may have to do it oneself to have a clearer picture.

chiMoni37:
can 1 with a Nigerian degree in chemistry hons study radiography/industrial radiography..... and pls what d difference btw radiography and radiology. + requirements and how long....? duo am well grounded in nuclear science... ur answers wud be highly appreciated

From you comment radiography would be most probable for you. To do radiology you would first require a medical degree but to do radiography you may just be able to get into a programme directly using you previous degree in nuear sciences as a springboard.

themall:
Please explain further. YOU know radiographers too can interpret radiographic images. Also an experienced radiographer will often suggest better angles and views to the very experienced radiologist. But interpreting images and recording images needs different expertise and training while the education may be similar. It would be wrong for a radiographer to claim that since s/he can interpret radiographic images correctly, recognition as a radiologist is deserved. This is unethical.

So I hope you are not in any way compromising the ethics of radiation medicine regulation in your clinical practice and every Nairaland reader needs to notice this very comment by Dr. Noel.

WARNING
Whenever you are undergoing radiodiagnosis insist on the presence of a qualified personnel. If the radiologist says s/he is the qualified personnel take a note of it and ensure that the hospital is held liable for consequences such as repeats and injuries.
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Of course in emergencies the opinion of a chief nurse (hope am right) can form the basis of a decision taken by a consultant. But the nurse is not a doctor. This attitude of some very arrogant doctors has worked negatively for the medical profession. While some doctors are very modest and humble others just make ignorant assumptions.

So Dr. Noel for the benefit of the youth and myself kindly explain further your post above, perhaps including benefits of the profession for those intending to enter the labour market

I won't be explaining anything about radiography cos I am not a radiographer. I have said that explicitly. I am very experienced in this area of medicine cos its my everyday doing. If you had asked me to explain about radiation medicine and radiology then its a different issue cos thats what I know but the technicalities of the equipement eludes me cos I didnt learn that in school and I repeat I am not a radiographer.
What the young ones should go home with is this. When in doubt ask a more experienced hand. Also pls let no one deceive you to tell you that radiologists dont oversee the works radiographers. It is a lie, radiologist oversee radiographers. What the radiographer should find out is what kind of doctor is that because the law only allows radiologists that right and not any kind of doctor.
Imagine a cardiologist overseeing a radiographer?
The.next thing they should remember is that no one person knows it all. Doctors are human being and make mistakes too.
Lastly because both professions are related they should.learn to leave together and try not to step on eachothers feet.

sonnie10:
The guy is so ignorant. In 2016, someone is still talking about darkroom. What he does not know is that some millennial (year 2000 and up) radiographers in the US have never seen a darkroom. This doctor must belong to the museums!

I think you misunderstood what that guy meant. Dark rooms are still used in radiology. Doctors in America use it too but its is no more used to develope inages as films are no more used. I mean why would one us films when the images can be burned on a CD or copied on a USB.
Now the dark rooms I mentioned earlier has to do with the radiologists office during image interpreting. Many colleagues of mine including myself feel more comfortable doing our dictations under very little illumination or in the cover of darkness or say wirh the lights off because it helps of see the images better. I have seen other people dictate under full light but then its like I said dependent on who is doing what.

skimarvel:
you can't be a doctor and be this ignorant as to happenings in the radiographic world...
Do you know student radiographers undergo 1year compulsory course in Morbid anatomy (PATHOLOGY) and PHARMACOLOGY?Sir the world has gone past the way you knew it.. Doctors no longer hold the monopoly to everything.
Be open to learning. it can only make you a better doctor (that's if you are one).

I dont know where you go that idea from but I never said that. Pls read my comment again and clarify then pls come and appologise for such a comment.

sonnie10:
You see why as a doctor, you can not afford to be a jack of all trade! I am surprised that as a doctor, you are not even aware that there is computer radiography (CR) which is very different from digital radiography (DR).

I don't know how to explain this in a layman's term but I will try. Computer radiography (CR) is a radiographic technique that uses a photostimulable phosphor as the image receptor while a digital radiography produces static images with a "fan xray" beam intercepted by a linear array of radiation detectors or a direct capture solid -state device.

The point of the question was not to have you explain what I know to me but to make find out what you knew of this subject you seem to be so passionate about. So you are a radiographer, still dont come here passing wrong information. I am a radiologist and I know radiographers depend on us alot just as we depend on them. Without radiographers we can't do our jobs to the full. I learn everyday from my radiographer colleagues and whenever an examination is unclear they come to me and I explain to them from a radiologists point of view. Also I heard you say radiologist dont oversee what radiographers do and dont agree with you there because I oversee what they do.

skimarvel:
permit me to laugh at your assertions here sir!!!
if indeed you are a practising doctor then you are operating out of the corridor of your profession by carrying out radiographic procedures on your patients except for specials like MCU and HSG.
sir!! have you ever heard of digital radiography which involves patients X-ray films being stored In discs and sent for interpretation.
Radiography is way past the level of darkroom and the shallow knowledge you have of it!!!
my submission!!

You really are ignorant enough to ask me of digital radiography that is now getting obsolete. HSG is only allowed in gynaecology. IVP in nephrology. Have you heard of colonography, gastrography, phlebography, angiography, defecography, oesophagograhy. These are some of the examinations I meant when I said what I did. Am sure you thought I was talking of x rays. I leave those to the radiographers cos I cant find the time to do those. I mean when I have workloads of 30-50 CTs, about above 100 x rays and 10 to 15 MRIs a day then a few angigraphy and the rest I mentioned earlier which time will I have to start doing 100 x rays and be expected to interprete them? But still in cases where our radiographers run in difficulty e.g when a patient is difficult or when the examination is special depending on what is being looked for or depending on the clinical indication. They call me and I show them how it could be best done.

themall:
Dr Noel you will run foul of the law if you are found as - A Dangerous Practice Officer (DPO). If you are a radiologist you probably have theoretical knowledge and SOME clinical experience in the views and position in an procedure or examination. You are not a radiographer and you could easily go to jail.
Do not pass insidious misinformation to others in other to win an argument.
Big headed doctors who had a pass degree grade have caused a lot of problems for hospitals and patients by making assumptions out of ego and ignorance. Some doctors even claim to be experts in keeping hospital records. To them only the medical doctor have all the knowledge! It's a kind of inferiority complex. Radiographers too had to battle this notion.

That's why a Doctor will open his mouth and say "I ALSO A RADIOGRAPHER"

Yes you are right to accus doctors of pig headedness. I say this without convinction to the profession, I too have some level of such arrogance but have learnt the hardway from experience never to take up what I dont know within or outside my field. Doctors don't know it all but then again dont pass wrong information.

sonnie10:
I don't understand what you mean by, "it is not even a course per say."
In the US, radiographer must undergo 5 semesters of clinical practicum through a school accredited by the regional Department of Higher Education. This could done in two years if the school includes a summer semester.
Schools award either certificate, Associate degree, Bachelors degree or Master degree depending on what program approval they have. But the students all take the same Board exam at the end to be licensed and given they receive the same license. Schools must be accredited by the registry for their graduates to take the licensing exam.

So you have said it all. A two year programme where the students are offered a diploma. It is same in the UK apart from they thrn have a 3 year programme which can either be teaching or just training. A normal university course is any subject studied for 4 years or more.

riczy:
All doz imaging technique are done by same ppl------------radiographer/logist

Not really, there is a wide difference between a radiograhy and radiology.

themall:
Dr Noel you will run foul of the law if you are found as - A Dangerous Practice Officer (DPO). If you are a radiologist you probably have theoretical knowledge and SOME clinical experience in the views and position in an procedure or examination. You are not a radiographer and you could easily go to jail.
Do not pass insidious misinformation to others in other to win an argument.
Big headed doctors who had a pass degree grade have caused a lot of problems for hospitals and patients by making assumptions out of ego and ignorance. Some doctors even claim to be experts in keeping hospital records. To them only the medical doctor have all the knowledge! It's a kind of inferiority complex. Radiographers too had to battle this notion.

That's why a Doctor will open his mouth and say "I ALSO A RADIOGRAPHER"

With all do respect sir. I do many radiographic examinations myself that our radiographers do usually do especially if I feel they won't do it the way that would help me interprete it. There are many examinations that require the presence of an experienced hand or radiologist to distinguish a normal from a pathologic substance. We all know that many of the examinations are operator dependent even the so called digital radiography you mentioned.
Also someone mentioned something about dark rooms and I just laughed. Pls the person should tell me what radiographic examinations apart from CT and MRI are not carried out in a dark room?

sonnie10:
I agree with you that radiologist are permitted to take X-Ray but that is not the standard of care in radiology. It is unethical to leave the care of patient with someone who does not have mastery of the equipment. The radiologist domain is in the reading room and not the exam room. Most of those equipment need certain level of expertise to avoid injury to patient. With multiple knobs and controls, there is no time to start figuring out which to use while a patient is on the table.

Also, the name was not changed because of prestige. Things have really changed over the past decades. Without advance knowledge of certain medical and science courses, there is no way Radiographers could possible obtain optimal images for studies (reading) considering the current sophisticated equipment they work with. May be you still have the impression of dark room and washing of radiographic films, it might interest you to know that those day are gone. Even, the days of computer radiography are numbered. What they have now is digital radiography with the science and technology that comes with it. Radiographers must now have the knowledge of electronics clinical information system, in addition to medical knowledge. The work flow through PACS and similar software have made it more complicated this days.

So, now tell me why a radiographer would acquire all these education and you still conclude that the name change is just for prestige?

What is this man saying here?? Pls tell me is there any difference between computer radiography and digital radiography.

sonnie10:
I agree with you that radiologist are permitted to take X-Ray but that is not the standard of care in radiology. It is unethical to leave the care of patient with someone who does not have mastery of the equipment. The radiologist domain is in the reading room and not the exam room. Most of those equipment need certain level of expertise to avoid injury to patient. With multiple knobs and controls, there is no time to start figuring out which to use while a patient is on the table.

Also, the name was not changed because of prestige. Things have really changed over the past decades. Without advance knowledge of certain medical and science courses, there is no way Radiographers could possible obtain optimal images for studies (reading) considering the current sophisticated equipment they work with. May be you still have the impression of dark room and washing of radiographic films, it might interest you to know that those day are gone. Even, the days of computer radiography are numbered. What they have now is digital radiography with the science and technology that comes with it. Radiographers must now have the knowledge of electronics clinical information system, in addition to medical knowledge. The work flow through PACS and similar software have made it more complicated this days.

So, now tell me why a radiographer would acquire all these education and you still conclude that the name change is just for prestige?

Outside nigeria radiography is a 3 year training, it is not even a course per say. In the Uk it is both a teaching and training course and one can do a masters after the Training. The prestige I spoke about was not meant to insult but was to explain that the difference between the phrase lab technician and the word radiography is a world apart. Then when one brings in the changes in technology involved in radiography toi will understand the name change was well deserved.

themall:
Part 2B
Have you noticed that radiography job adverts are hard to come by? Yes, except for statutory reasons, by big blue chip companies, management often never advertise. The reasons are not far fetched; such adverts is futile! You get qualified radiographers by networking with other radiographers. Other radiographers usually have to convince their junior colleagues to check out an employer's integrity, his working tools (i.e. X-Ray machines and equipment) as well as his reward or financial offer. So advertisement serves very little purpose. Instead, especially for private hospitals, you will find that radiographers are on duty once or twice a week. On emergencies, you have to call them for emergency service. So you find radiographers working in two or more hospitals. Even, those who are fully employed do their PP.

A radiographers job is protected forever at least on two fronts. In Nigeria,
1. by the laws guiding healthcare professionals practices and
2. laws guiding the use of ionizing radiation.
This has several implications. Only authorized personnel can handle materials such as X-RAYS. Only trained and authorized personal can by law be allowed to expose anyone to radioactive materials or substances. To this end it is illegal for a doctor to try to take a X-RAY of a patient (but emergencies can be excused) Even a radiologist, even though trained in the use of radioactive substances, can run afoul of the law, if s/he attempts to become a radiographer, by practising radiography.
This protection covers every nook and corner of Nigeria and is better overseas.

I will also let you know something about prestige among Youth Corp Members in my next part.

Pls don't mislead people if you don't have the information. Most of the things you said here are wrong. A radiologist can do the Images of any patient. The radiologist is allowed because he is taught and experienced in the field and art of radiation exposure and its implications. So the law allows a radiologist not just to take the pictures but also interprete them.
Also radiography as its is called now was previously on of the professions initially referred to as radiation technician. It is for the sake of prestige that the name was changed.

dridowu:
The trial continue.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NGRSenate/status/722773413375426560

A day of joy to see the day good though radical journalism would twist the arm of those selfish politicians in their red chamber and make the will of the public prevail. Sahara reporters have earned some respect for fearlessness in the face of opposition. Good work guys.

Boscojugunu:
Where Ben bruce when you need him to talk. Uncommon sense senator

The man has lost his common sense. Pls someone should hand me over his facebook and twitter ID make me go ask am.

maupe:
This is completely laughable and comical. Sahara Reporters have destroyed what little is left of their credibility. The Senator, who was said to have been attacked by irate Nigerians, has come out to deny their allegations. The SR should sit up and get their acts together.

U make me laugh with ur comment. People are si happy that sahara reporters posted those numbers. If not they won't go calling. This will show you how mych followership they have. By the way, if you have not called.ur senator do so.

Hadez:
Guys are not only guilty about this, sometimes we ladies really feel the urge to be alone and get down with someone we have a crush on. OK enough said

I know some people might take me as a bad girl but I don't care. I am going to state the fact and hey I am here to have fun


1. She comes to your house with a short skirt or a short gown: some guys don't seem to understand the signs though. The thing is we ladies are very conscious of what we were, so coming to your house looking like a hot model is a cue

2. She lays her had on your shoulders or laps: this is a very popular trick we use but some guys are too quick to start kissing and pressing... This is not cool, it makes us uneasy and we change our mind. Why don't put just take it slow and wait for the right moment then you see we actually repaired for this before coming

3. Telling you we want to sleep and you shouldn't disturb: let me tell you a secret guy, no girl I repeat no girl will ever come to your house if she feels she is tired and will not enjoy herself when she comes (trust me)

4. Saying she will be leaving in an hour time: we are actually telling you to make a move but someone guys don't get it. Instead they will be begging us to stay a little longer. Durr if I have somewhere else to go that evening, do you think I will come and spend time in your house?

5. We loose off some buttons on our shirt: we want you to feel aroused and make a move but instead you will dip your hands in your pocket and probably start going out and coming in. Then you will be forming bad guy later

6. We tell you to play a song and we start dancing: if I am dancing in your room, I expect you to join me then along the link you rock me then you know what next to do. But most of you don't even know how to Dance it is frustrating

Am surprised this childish write up got likes. How old are u? Any woman that comes to make these kinds of hints should be regarded.as childish and sent home. That was the reason I never took many women serious then in the past when I was still in the market. Itmust be a nigerian thing cos you dont see matured women doing these runbish.

naijagobetter:
you people should leave ameachi alone bikonu, yanga dey sleep trouble dey come wake am.

Really while amaechi was governor did he allow PEJ and GEJ. If not that GEJ showed maturity and refused to dance under the rain with Amaechi while his wife overlooked all hindrances and followed Amaechi who would have known there was something happening

TPAND:
Why are all exonerating Ameachi. NASS shouldn't be blamed for a ministry's error. Ameachi never included it in the budget. The all uprising in NASS over the missing Lagos-Calabar railway still amazes me.

We should put the blame on Ameachi for such fatal flaw.

Bros for those of u that read ur words upside down. This issue the OP posted is greater that Amaechi. The post is talking about corruption NASS not amaechi.